Biden's energy department confirms COVID lab leak; RNC calls for republican unity in 2024

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmey. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilmey Show.

So glad you're here. 1-866-408-7669. The number to call will be on the show. We're going to have Will Heard in a Matter of Moments, and also at the bottom of the hour, Congressman Tom Tiffany. The Congressman is on the Judiciary Republic and Study Committee.

He also is having a hearing about the border, the border crisis. Part two is coming up this week. Continues to have these talks. I would argue domestically, there's not an issue that's more important than that. Congressman Tiffany will be here.

And I come to you from Florida, from Ponavidra. I'll be there today. Tomorrow, I'll be at the in Ponavidra at the Metro Diner to do one of our famous diner shows. I'll have my third of the show down there. Get a chance to meet the sheriff and find out what's going on.

Also, tomorrow, you'll get a chance to hear my interview, which I'm taping today with Governor Ron DeSantis. It's one of the hottest politicians in the country. Even Democrats would admit to that.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. Did it come from a lab? Was it man-made? There's every reason to believe that the jumping of species from an animal reservoir occurred.

This could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated. The idea, I think, is quite far-fetched. It never ceases to amaze me how he's the top doc in this country. China threat. The thread that seems to tie the entire country together.

We all see it. They're our number one foe, and we should wake up to the fact this is a slow-moving attack on us as another federal agency concludes that COVID-19's virus came from, drumroll please, a Chinese lab. Fauci's wrong. Number two. It is really important that whoever runs for president of the United States understands the essence of this conflict.

The fact that we are defending not just Ukrainian independence, but we are defending a rules-based system that says might doesn't make right. You can't just extinguish your neighbor. I see it that same way, Madam Secretary. A party divided. The GOP is increasingly split over support for the Ukraine war.

It's simple for me. Every dollar spent helping Ukraine defeat Russia is in America's interest and worth every penny. Number We can't be attacking each other so much that we lose sight of. We have to beat the Democrats, we have to beat Joe Biden in 2024. Big race has lost this cycle because of Republicans refusing to support other Republicans.

Unless we start coming together, we will not win in 2024.

So she's saying a 2024 pledge, eventual unity demanded as potential Trump challengers emerge.

So she's saying, Rona McDaniel: if you don't pledge to support the nominee, whoever he or she is, you cannot get onto the debate stage. The problem with that, I don't think Donald Trump would ever commit to that. But right now, he's got to feel pretty good about it. Right now, if you look at the Fox News poll in 2024, Republicans asked, who's your preferable nominee? One, number one.

Donald Trump, 43. Ron DeSantis, 28. Nikki Haley, 7. Mike Pence, 7. Greg Abbott, who hasn't declared.

I've not heard much about him declaring 2%. Liz Cheney gets 2%. Mike Pompeo, 1. Christy Noam, 1. Tim Scott, 1%.

Glenn Youngkin. By the way, Liz Cheney, whatever you think of her, I know she's a conservative, but there is no way that she has twice as much as Mike Pompeo, even though we're talking 1% or 2%.

Okay. Second choice for nominee. Should Trump not run? 42% DeSantis, 23% Pence, 6% Haley. The other question has second choice for 2023 nominee among DeSantis primary voters?

34% Trump, 27% Haley, 10% Pence.

So we know also out in California, they did a study, and I say that because I don't expect the Republican to win California, but there's a lot of electoral votes there. Should it go that deep into the primary season? Berkeley Institute for Government Studies suggests the conservatives are ready to move on from Trump, and they have DeSantis up by 17. If Nikki Haley's in the race, it would be a little bit smaller, but it's still California, Orange County and Company. And by the way, Ron DeSantis is a book out tomorrow.

Technically, I got it. I was able to read over the weekend. It's strong. And he'll be out at the Reagan Center and over in Orange County giving speeches. Man, he's looking like a nominee.

By the way, so is a lot of other guys and women. I think Nikki Haley, the more I hear her speak, I really have trouble dismissing her. Listened to her yesterday, cut two. I think we need to leave the status quo of the past. I mean, you look at how America's falling into socialism.

You look at how this national self-loathing has taken over our country, and we've got real issues. Whether it's $31 trillion in debt, whether it's that our children have fallen so far behind we don't know how to catch them up, whether it's security and crime on our streets or open borders or the fact that our minds are being closed by woke ideology. Is she a legitimate contender? Let's go ask Will Hurd, a former Texas congressman, cybersecurity executive, and officer in the CIA. Congressman, welcome back.

Hey, it's always a pleasure to be on, Brian. Thanks for having me. Nikki Haley's polls are low, but I think she's a contender. Do you? I think there's a lot of people that have an open mind in the Republican primary.

It's still early in the season. I think we historically have thought that by now we would know who the nominee is. That's not the case. But there's a lot of people. I think Republicans are recognizing Republican primary voters specifically are still remembering what happened in 2022, where a number of Republicans lost races they should have won, and they're looking at candidate quality and making sure that we have a nominee that can appeal to Democratic voters.

Because let's be honest, Democratic elected officials are the ones that are pushing all these crazy theories. When you look at some of the Democratic voters, they're as frustrated with their party. Party leaders, as Republicans are. And that's the opportunity going into 2024. Whoever goes into the general election, there's a huge part of the country that wants to get back to those values that have made America the greatest country.

And that's where I think Republican voters are saying, hey, who's going to give us the best chance to do that? And let's have conservative leadership for 12 years, not just two years, not just four years. Let's have a long history. And many people that have been voting don't remember that that was the norm.

So that's the opportunity we have in the party. Congressman, with your CIA background, I think that no one has to tell you about the danger that's merging with China. And I don't want to put words in your mouth how making sure Russia is not successful in Ukraine is in America's best interest. But I firmly believe that, and I think that A lot of people on the right do not, and that number is growing. And I think it has to do with the fact that everything Joe Biden does, no one has confidence with as far in policy.

Number one, number two is that. I think fundamentally people don't want to spend money over there. Why are we wasting this money? Why can't we spending at home? What do you think of those theories?

Look, Brian, I appreciated what you said at the top of the hour on this conflict and why it's important. And let's start with: can Ukraine win a war against Russia? Absolutely, they can, and they're going to need our help. Why should we care? Why should Americans care about sending dollars over to Ukraine?

The United States of America has become one of the great, has become the. Greatest country on the history of the planet because we built an international system that benefits us. And part of that international system is using our hard power and our soft power in order to build networks around the world. And so, when it comes to a place like Ukraine, in the late 90s, when Ukraine, when Russia fell and the Soviet Union collapsed, and the Ukrainians had one of the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, they said, Hey, As a new country, we don't want these things, but we need some security guarantees.

So the United States, the UK, Russia even, and France said, yep, we're going to take care of you.

So one, we have gone back on some of these promises in order to defend people. Fixing the problem over there is a fraction of the cost before it becomes a problem here in the United States. And so the only way. That we in the United States is going to continue to ensure that this century, the 21st century, stays the American century, is if we have allies. Because this century is going to be defined between the struggle between the United States and the Chinese government.

And I always say government. It's not the Chinese people, it's not the Chinese culture, it's not Chinese Americans. The beef is with the Chinese government. And that means we have to show to our friends that we have their backs and we have to show to our enemies that you can't get away with invading an independent country. And so the problem that we have, if we would have done all the help and given all the equipment and weapons that we've given the Ukrainians over the last year.

If we would have done that in 2008, if we would have done that in 2014, we probably wouldn't be in the situation that we're in now. And so the quicker the Ukrainians can win this war, the better it is for us. If the Chinese are going to sell kamikaze drones to the Russians, then guess what? We should be giving air power to the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians just want help with having the tools.

They're going to do the fighting themselves. And the quicker this ends, and when I mean ends, that means all Russians get out of Ukraine territory, including Crimea, the better it is going to be for us. And long term, for the international system that we built, that led us to having one of the greatest qualities of life the world has ever seen.

So when people listen to you, Congressman, they should know not only a congressman who has been able to see a lot of the intelligence for all your years in Washington, but also your years in the CIA.

So you're not a rah-rag here, let's just hope. You say that from a practical standpoint. Here's the frustration. Jake Sullivan reportedly is the force behind Biden on what they get and what they don't get, why they didn't get high Mars until late, why they didn't get the Patriot system until late and it still hasn't been deployed yet, why we're hesitating on tanks and we're going to build them from scratch rather than give them those tanks that we have. And listen to this when it comes to F-16s, cut eight.

F-16s are a question for a later time, and that's why President Biden said that for now he's not moving forward with those.

So, as far as we're concerned, the U. S. effort has got to be to get Ukraine the tools it needs for and if I could just cut him off. I just wanted you to hear that line because I can't hear him talk anymore. He is the voice in Biden's ear.

And he's saying that's not the question for now. Are you insane? He is by saying that. And what's very frustrating about all this is listen to the Ukrainians on the ground who are fighting this war. The fact that you have a number of commercial companies that are providing the Ukrainians intelligence and help and support on the ground and allow them to be more effective, we can be doing so much more, especially with providing them the air superiority, the ability to create a no-fly zone around Ukraine.

And part of the problem is that President Biden's foreign policy staff still adhere to what I consider to be a little bit of an archaic philosophy of escalation. If we do something, if we provide something, then that's going to cause the Russians to escalate.

Well, let's look at in the last couple of months, when the Iranians provided the Russians drones to provide attacks to kill innocent people in Ukraine, did we escalate anything against the Iranians? This is why the Chinese are even evaluating. Providing these Chinese kamikaze drones because they think, hey, America is not going to do anything. Allegedly, privately, the Biden administration is telling the Chinese government what they're willing to do if the Chinese provide this kind of military support. But you're right.

We have to, you know, I boil our foreign policy down to a simple philosophy that I learned seeing our enemies up close and personal, whether it was overseas as an undercover CIA officer in Congress, building a cybersecurity company, or now working with some of the greatest technology companies in the world. Your enemies should fear you and your friends should love you, not the other way around. And this is viral to us. And the thing is, Congressman, we want to live in a world with people like us and the Canadians and the Australians that we can rationalize with. They can get mad at each other.

We can get mad at each other. We can be disappointed with each other, but we can rationalize a way out of it. Our enemies aren't like that. And we continue to pretend as if they are. And if you want to go back in time, I'll go.

Back to because when Barack Obama takes over and says, Hey, Vladimir Putin, I hear you're upset about the weapons defense system in Poland and another one of your former Eastern satellites. We'll take them out. Vladimir Putin looked at that as weakness. When Joe Biden comes in and says we're going to go back to the new Star Treaty, he looked at that as weakness. When he said you can go ahead and finish off Nord Stream 2, he looked at that as weakness.

The Canadians would say, What a great idea. The Australians would say, What a great country America is, but not our enemies. We don't seem to know the difference. Look, you're absolutely right. Oh, and by the way.

Things are only going to get more complicated. You know, the things are only going to get scarier with the advent of some of these new technologies. You know, we've been talking about the Wuhan lab and COVID-19. My fear is not whether the next COVID comes out of a lab or a Wuhan. No, it did, right?

Yeah, but look, we have some evidence. It's a theory that should not be dismissed. It was never a conspiracy theory. We need to continue to investigate and understand where COVID came from. And here's what we do know: the Chinese lied about their role.

The Chinese covered up their responsibilities and involvement in this. But we need to be thinking about when the next COVID comes from a Department of Defense, when it gets weaponized, when you, you know, there's a technology that we really don't talk a lot about, synthetic biology or synbio, right? This is, we have the ability today. To program DNA the way we program computer code. And the ability to weaponize something is at the highest it's ever been.

So I'm afraid: like, are we ready? Are we ready to detect if the Russian military or the Chinese military gets this technology and tries to weaponize it? How are we prepared for that? And these are some of the questions that we have to be thinking about when it comes to artificial intelligence and operating in denied communications divide. It's super complicated.

And so, and the fact that this administration is wringing their hands on giving F-16s is absolutely crazy. And what does this all mean for Taiwan? You know, like we shouldn't make the same mistakes when it comes to the next potential conflict, which is likely to be over Taiwan, that we have made with Ukraine. We're not learning these lessons, and this administration is adhering to old-fashioned foreign policy ideas that is going. Would ultimately put the United States and America in a position where we can lose our status as the greatest superpower on the planet.

And, Congressman, they would listen to you. You don't have a reputation as a firebrand that speaks emotionally. You speak out of such experience. And what you're referring to is the Energy Department joined in the lab league theory that didn't come from natural environment. Will Hurd, thanks so much.

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It's Brian Kilmead. Hey, we're back. We have a couple of minutes. I went away with Congressman Heard with the CIA background, with his known experience in intelligence and cybersecurity, as well as being in Congress at the border. I could go on with him for two hours, and I probably couldn't hit all of his areas of expertise.

When we come back, though, Congressman Tim Tiffany's Tom Tiffany is going to be with us. He's going to be talking a little bit more about the border, and then I'll finish up with your calls at 1-866-408-7669. But the other news that we are discussing today is with the whole lab league theory. I touched on it at the end.

So it turns out the Energy Department joins the FBI in saying what Tom Cotton said originally: that of course this pandemic, this COVID-19 virus, came from the lab. Of course, it did. We said it. When Tom Cotton said it, they talked about irresponsible, how irresponsible he was. They talked about these conspiracy theories based in nothing.

The thing that changed it all, and I'll play it this hour. is, believe it or not, John Stewart. when he pops out of the farm he's on where he saves cows And a one-on-one Stephen Colbert show. And basically, bucked conventional wisdom on the Democratic side and said, of course it came from a lab. Let me see where the pandemic started, right near a lab, or I think a platypus had some type of relations with a hawk, and that is the reason why we have all these issues.

That just jarred everyone on the left. Again. What do you think of Jon Stewart? The show has not been the same without him. That guy moves mountains in terms of his opinion.

We come back, Congressman Tom Tiffany, and then we take your calls. Brian Kilmey Chow.

So glad you're here. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Congressman Tom Tiffany joins us right now, Judiciary Republican Study Committee, the Republican out of Wisconsin. Congressman, welcome back.

Brian is Great to join you this morning. You know, first off, I would hard to find personally, I don't think there's a bigger issue in the country than what's going on at the border right now. And now the investigation has begun. You have the border crisis part two. Examine the Department of Homeland Security's operations of the Southwest border.

I mean, can you figure out what's going on? Because this isn't a bad policy. I feel like it's a no policy. Yeah. I mean, it's wide open borders.

It started January 20th of 2021. President Biden shut down the pipeline for prosperity, for energy independence. He opened up the pipeline of illegal immigration into our country. And I've been as far south as Panama to the Darien Gap, Brian, to see what is happening. And this is, I believe, Brian, this is the biggest human trafficking operation, perhaps in the history of the world.

And your United States government, as a result of the Biden administration, is complicit in this. They're complicit with the cartels. They're complicit with the United Nations via the International Organization of Migration. I mean, it is industrialized at this point, bringing people across our border. You know, people think it's a natural occurrence.

They say, well, you know, people are just looking for a better life. They're looking to come here. It's just one of those times in which the people of the world are migrating and they're coming here. This is not something that's happening organically. It's because the word is out.

This is the time to come to the world's best country. And the question is. In Yuma, in particular, when you did this study. Arizona still voted for a Democratic governor and a Democratic senator to keep Mark Kelly in place. And How bad can it be if they keep putting these people there?

It's amazing.

So when we were down to Yuma last week, and by the way, official hearing of the Judiciary Committee, and no Democrats showed up. Not a single one showed up for our hearing down in Yuma. And what was really interesting, we had this at the City Hall, the hearing at the City Hall in Yuma, and the I think about the hearings we have in Washington DC. There were more people at that hearing in Yuma, and that's why we Republicans in the House of Representatives, we need to have more hearings like this all around the country because the American people care. And you really get to hear from them how they're being overrun in places like Yuma, Arizona.

So what did you hear from them that you weren't able to find out while staying in Washington?

So the first we started off the day with a tour. We went to a local hospital, twenty six million dollars in uncompounded care. $26 million in uncompensated care to this hospital as a result Of the migrants. And by the way, that doesn't include the uncompensated care they had beyond that for people who are American citizens. Went to a local food bank.

They are overrun. You talk to the farmers. By the way, I didn't realize this. Most of the greens through the winter months come out of Yuma, where they irrigate their crops and they do a terrific job of helping feed America, but their crops are being destroyed when migrants come in in force and just trample through their field. They are being overrun.

And as you know, Brian, it is like all 48 states. I know it's why somebody like me from Wisconsin goes on a trip like this because we're being overrun also. Every state's a border state. You know, what's interesting is there was a conventional wisdom around Romney's time when Romney lost. Wow, Republicans got to get with it.

When you talk about the border and enforcing the border, it's misinterpreted in the Hispanic community that you don't, you know, that you are thinking they're less than, or you're being biased against. Hispanics. And that is not the case. Trump proved that. Governor DeSantis proved that.

Because letting the what are Democrats thinking? They're thinking these are going to be our future voters if I can get them here and find a way to get them to the ballot box when aren't they seeing that they're losing more Hispanic vote every election cycle? Yes, I don't know what they're seeing, but it is the message that we need to get out. And that's one of the things we heard down there is that people in the Hispanic community down there, they're like, hey, how about us? Why do these people get to just come across the border when we either did it the right way or they have something they use the term shoot?

CHUTE were in the chute waiting to be able to get legalized in America.

Well, they're put to the back of the bus, Brian, and you have all these people coming from 126 countries from around the world. They get to get in first, and they did it illegally. Everything about this is wrong, and there's more and more people, especially Hispanics, that are understanding that. And I would hope all ethnic minorities would understand this in America at this point because your standard of living. Is being devalued as a result of this.

Congressman Tom Tiffany of Wisconsin with us just fresh off of border, where he's really trying to dominate it and understand exactly what's going on in order to attack the problem.

So colour me naive, but I was encouraged that Henry Coyar met with Hakeem Jeffries at the border And my sense is Unless you're serious. you don't meet with Henry Coyar because he's like you. He knows the exact problem, couldn't care less about Republican or Democrat. That's why President Biden doesn't meet with him. They have officials for the last eight, ten years come down there on the Democratic side.

They don't want to come in and deal with him. He would answer all their questions. They usually don't inform them. Is progress being made? You know, you would hope so.

You'd hope that the pressure is building so that the dam is going to break. But remember one thing. Um and I I I emphasis emphasize this to people, especially back home. This is not about fixing illegal immigration, Brian. It is number one about securing the border.

Then you deal with the illegal immigration issue. secure the border first. And I think it's really important that we emphasize that because I think most people understand that when you say, this is about securing the border first, and we'll deal with the immigration problem after that and make sure it works for the American people, right? I would think so. Also, I just want to get your take, Congressman, on the revelation over the weekend that the Energy Department says most likely COVID-19 came from a Chinese lab.

So the cover in the New York Post, it's the lead story. And of course, there's other people unnamed that say they don't put much credence in it. But now the FBI has joined the Energy Department has joined the FBI in saying it came from a lab. What is your re when are you guys tackling COVID-19, and what's your reaction to the energy's conclusion?

Well, it's about time. And if there would have been a legitimate science allowed to be able to work, if doctors would not have eminent doctors, Brian, who I suspect you've interviewed, would not have had their their information squelched by the federal government I mean, this would never have happened. It is about time that this gets out there. I'm not sure what our leadership in the House has planned for this. I suspect they do.

I just don't know what it is. But this is one of the key issues. In addition to the weaponization of our intelligence agencies, especially the FBI, That and COVID, I think, are two of the absolute most critical issues that we need to inform the American people about what has gone wrong. Because this goes back to the fundamentals, doesn't it, Brian? I mean, the First Amendment, being able to have open, honest science.

It all went out the door over the last few years. Yeah, I mean, it's unbelievable that.

So, just so you know what you're up against, if you want to do an honest investigation, you think it works in everyone's interest to enforce the border, number one, number two, to identify China as the number one military and economic antagonist of ours, our number one, not rival, and I dare I say, enemies. You should be unifying. And then the all-out push to find out where COVID-19 started. Listen to Jake Sullivan on these revelations, Cut 17. There is a variety of views in the intelligence community.

Some elements of the intelligence community have reached conclusions on one side, some on the other. A number of them have said they just don't have enough information to be sure. And if we gain any further insight or information, we will share it with Congress. You hear his delivery. You hear his lack of interest.

He wants a different topic. He wants to parry this conversation. Why is it not in our interest to get to the bottom of that? Brian, listen to the one term that he used there.

Some elements.

So we those of us that have been skeptical And I think about our senator from Wisconsin, Senator Johnson, who did yeoman's work over the last three years. What is going on, and he Jake Sullivan refers to those of us that were skeptical as elements. You can see how they're trying to say, we just have to move on here. We cannot move on, Brian. There needs to be an honest appraisal of what has happened here with COVID.

Congressman, what's your next step? With the border?

Next up with the border. We have a series of bills that are teed up here that we're working our way through. It's part of the reason that we did the hearing down in Yuma. We want to make sure these are good bills for securing the border. And I believe Chairman Jordan is going to be working through this process over the next few weeks.

I hope, and this is just me speaking, no one else on the committee, I would hope over the next couple of months that we can get a series of bills teed up to secure the border and get the two hundred and eighteen votes. It's going to be a heavy lift, but I'm hoping we can get to two hundred and eighteen, get them out of the House, and I think that really becomes strong messaging to the American people that House Republicans are serious about securing the border, dealing with perhaps the most important issue that's before us here in the early part of the twenty first century. It just seems there are difficult things. I always bring this up: stem cell research, great smart people debating it back and forth. This is not a hard issue.

This is such an easy issue. And, you know, how to do what used to be the biggest debate? You know, do we pressure the Central and South American countries? What are we doing with places from horrible places like Venezuela and Cuba? You know, now we're just dealing with an administration that just wants it to go away, but it's only getting worse.

I don't envy you, but I hope you're able to make some progress. Congressman Tom Tiffany, thank you. Brian, great to join you today and keep up the good work. Thank you so much. 1-866-408-7669.

We come back. We haven't talked about the Ukraine. I didn't get into much detail in Ron DeSantis' big rollout and Donald Trump still leading by 20 points in the Republican poll. Many are surprised by that. Are you?

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totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human. The alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by. Is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan? For a month or more before they were clinically recognized. Did it come from a lab?

Was it man-made? There's every reason to believe that that jumping of species from an animal reservoir occurred. It's just so maddening to hear his voice when you think, oh, well, I've never really dealt with viruses before. He's spent his whole life since the 1980s for dealing with viruses. I guess he was right, but wasn't there a lab right next door?

Was it? I mean, what do you mean it jumped? Did you see the way they host everything out in that lab? How they murdered the, they basically murdered the scientists who came out. This came from a lab leak.

And then, not according to Anthony Fauci, most believed. No, he believes. And everyone else is afraid to get their funding taken away because he's in control of all of it. Then yesterday it comes out, the Energy Department joins the lab leak theory. Yeah, now they say the mishap happened at the lab.

The FBI has moderate confidence he came from the lab. There is no animal source of the virus. And they were experimenting in the lab with four other agencies that were experimenting in the lab with this virus. The Energy Department spokesman said this to Fox News, the Department of Energy continues to support thorough, careful and objective work of our intelligence professionals, but they got new information, we don't know what it is, that said that makes them think it came from a lab. It came from the lab.

We all know it came from a lab. We all know logically it came from the lab. And one of the reasons is, I think I was the one interviewing Tom Cotton when he said this, COT 19. This virus did not originate in the Wuhan animal market. Several of the original cases did not have any contact with that food market.

The virus went into that food market before it came out of that food market. Because of China's duplicity and dishonesty from the beginning, we need to at least ask the question to see what the evidence says. And China right now is not giving any evidence on that question at all.

So it's most discouraging and You know, we hear about this from many different walks of life. Jonathan Turley, in particular, with a column today in the New York Post, probably elsewhere. The censorship. is the bigger story. The censorship of people like Tom Cotton.

They said he's a conspiracy theorist with no proof. He put his logic together with the people he knew, with the contacts he had, and said this in February of 2020. When Anthony Fauci was still telling people that the virus would not be a problem here, he says it's going to be a problem. Hey, President Trump, stop travel from China. They're letting their people travel.

Do not let these people come here. Guess what they want to Italy? Guess who got hit the hardest? Italy. Senator Tom Cotton is solely responsible.

Once again, he does not want any credit. He wants it to be a learning moment.

So as flashback quote This is the Washington Post on Tom Cotton, what he just said. He said this: Senator Tom Cotton repeated a fringe theory suggesting that the ongoing spread of a coronavirus is connected to a research in the disease-ravaged epicenter of Wuhan, China. Cotton references a laboratory in the city, the Wuhan Lab, in an interview on Fox News Sunday morning. He said the lab was near a market.

Some scientists initially. Initially, he said it was a starting point of the virus. Yes, Cotton acknowledged there is no evidence of the disease origin of the lab. Instead, he suggested it's necessary to ask Chinese authorities about the possibility, fanning the embers of the theory that has been repeatedly disputed by experts.

So that's the problem. It's the you don't want to believe, you don't want to believe you can't dismiss it. It's a sitting senator with military background, I have education, fought in the milit fought in the infantry. This guy who is in Congress goes to the Senate on the intelligence committee and says, this is what matters. You've got to dismiss it as a fringe theory.

It's crazy. Eric Loosen on W D B O in Orlando. Hey, Eric. Hey, Brian. I'm in a county called Volucia.

Ron DeSantis used to be my congressman. And I think he's the greatest governor we ever had. That said I'm behind Donald Trump still. I don't want to lose Ron DeSantis. as a second term governor.

I think we still need him here. I would in the perfect scenario, Trump would pick Ron DeSantis as his VP. Never. But I owe Donald Trump my vote. He's done so.

Can you imagine if. Lindsey Graham wasn't turned against him because of this fake story. If Donald Trump was unopposed during his term, the power that that guy had, he could have done it. I'm talking about Lindsey Graham. What do you mean, Lindsey Graham?

Lindsey Graham and a couple of other Republicans were resistant to him because they believed the Russian Kaluja story. Lindy Graham wasn't there. That's a huge leap. Listen, he was upset. He said, Let's do it.

If there's nothing there, there's nothing there. They never should have greenlighted that special counsel. Sessions never should have taken that job. He never should have just removed himself, never should have done a bunch of things. But Lindy Graham is not the problem.

Lindsey Graham has already endorsed Donald Trump. I don't think outside Governor Henry McMaster of South Carolina. And maybe Jim Jordan. I don't know what anybody else said. That said Donald Trump's my guy.

Yet. Paul Ryan said, if Donald Trump's the nominee, I'm not even going to the Republican Convention. Take off what that's worth. It's going to be an interesting fight. I'm just very curious to see.

How people, when Donald Trump starts going at DeSantis and Nikki Haley and others, what are they gonna say back? Right now, they're saying, he's my friend. No problem, new generation, that's not going to fly long term. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest-growing radio talk show. Brian In Kill Mead.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilmey Show.

So glad you're here. I come to you usually from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan, but right now in. St. John's County in Florida, where tomorrow I'll be at the Metro Diner. Hopefully, everybody listening in the Pond of Edri Air WOKV affiliate will come down, have a chance to, I don't want to miss the show, but have a chance to travel for work.

And I figured, let's just queue it up and let's do a diner show. And we're going to do that tomorrow on TV. But right now, only urge you to call 1-866-408-7669. Big hour. Former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper at the bottom of the hour, and Michael Goodwin standing by from the New York Post.

Let's get to the big three.

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Was it man-made? There's every reason to believe that the jumping of species from an animal reservoir occurred. This could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated. The idea, I think, is quite far-fetched. It's he's the worst China threat.

The thread that seems to tie the country together. They are our number one foe, and we should wake up to the slow-moving attack. Another federal agency, this is why we rolled Anthony Fauci in, concludes that COVID-19, the virus, came from a Chinese lab. When is he going to wake up? Number two.

It is really important that whoever runs for President of the United States understands the essence of this conflict. The fact that we are defending not just Ukrainian independence, but we are defending a rules-based system that says might doesn't make right. You can't just extinguish your neighbor. I 100% agree. A party divided.

The GOP is increasingly split over the support for the Ukraine war. It's simple for me. Every dollar spent helping Ukraine defeat Russia is in America's interest and worth every penny. Number one. We can't be attacking each other so much that we lose sight of we have to beat the Democrats.

We have to beat Joe Biden in 2024. Big race has lost this cycle because of Republicans refusing to support other Republicans. Unless we start coming together, we will not win in 2024.

Right.

So she has everyone want to sign a pledge before they debate in August that they will support the winner. Problem? Donald Trump won't sign it. A pledge of eventual unity demanded. And by the way, 45 has to feel great about the latest Fox poll.

It's up by 20 right now on the Republican side among Republican voters in the primary.

So let's bring in Michael Goodwin, no stranger to any of these candidates or the issues that Joe Biden is dealing with on a regular basis. Welcome, Michael. Good morning, Brian. Thank you.

So are you surprised by this fox poll? Let me just tell our listeners what it says. Donald Trump, with 43% of the Republican votes, went polled, 28% for DeSantis, 7 for Haley, 7 for Penn. Two for Abbott, two for Cheney, and then Noam, Pompeo, Scott, Young, can all have one. Are you surprised by that?

I mean, polls are polls, but it does show that Trump is hardly out in the GOP. Oh, that's right, Brian. Look, it is something of an outlier of the more recent polls, which have uh Trump and DeSantis you know, close. Another one had DeSantis with a big lead.

So having Trump with this kind of lead at this point is a new and different finding. Look, I think the overall picture is that we're all waiting to find out what really is the following that Donald Trump still has in the Republican Party. If it is as big as this poll says and that there's nobody else, even if you eliminate all of the others, he would still be very competitive with DeSantis if it were just a two-person race. Um I mean, that remains to be seen. If at some point it becomes a two-person race, where do all these other votes go for all the other candidates?

Nonetheless, he is going to be a formidable candidate in the Republican primary process. It just convinces me that right now, the repo i if Trump is not going to support the winner if it's not him. if he's going to sit it out or start a third party. It just confirms what I've believed all along, Brian, which is that right now, the Republicans cannot win with Trump and they cannot win without Trump.

So this is the dilemma and I think this is this uh effort to get them all to sign a pledge is the right attitude, meaning we have to unite the party, but I don't think it's going to work. Michael Goodwin, you're referring to what Rhonda McDaniels said yesterday on CNN, cut one. We can't be attacking each other so much that we lose sight of. We have to beat the Democrats, we have to beat Joe Biden in 2024, and we may have divisive primaries and differences of opinions, but in the end, we have to settle those to win the big picture, which is governing our country and doing the right thing by the American people. We have to come together as a party.

We saw big races lost this cycle because of Republicans refusing to support other Republicans. And unless we fix this in our party, unless we start coming together, we will not win in 2024.

So, if she holds to that and the August debate starts, and Donald Trump says, I'm not going to support it, depends who the nominee is. Then does Donald Trump benefit by not debating? That's an interesting question, Brian. Look, he sort of has the whip hand here because the party needs him at least as much as he needs the party. And so he he could play it that way.

He could say, Well, I'll do this debate, but not that one. And you you would see television viewership fall, right? Even even the Democrats love watching Trump. I mean, they they kind of love to hate him. And so, look, I I think he you know, uh what's the great Reggie Jackson line, I'm the straw that stirs the drink, right?

Donald Trump is the straw that still stirs the Republican Party. And if they I don't see how they solve this problem other than by him winning the nomination, in which case, he will almost certainly lose the general election. That's what the polls are telling us right now. Yes, unless we don't know what we don't know, if I can quote. Uh Donald Rumstelle.

But I would say this: Reggie Jackson was a known unknown. Right.

I would say Reggie Jackson was wrong. It was Thurman Munson, and that was the problem. But he is, you know, he's definitely the big character. But Ron DeSantis, with his book rollout and with the donors lining up, he's never had this before. Although I would say, I'll correct myself.

Jeb Bush had all the donors too.

So that's that I'll correct. I'll stay corrected on that. But part of the reason, don't you think tactically that's part of the reason why Ron DeSantis is avoid attacking back? And Nikki Helley, for the most part, has avoided attacking back at the present because it doesn't matter how mad you get, I can't win without his supporters.

So you don't want to make the supporters make a decision.

So far, that's why Ron DeSantis will just not say anything, even though the insults are beginning to fly pretty fast. Look, I think the only way for anyone to win the primary is to you at some point, if you're going to win the nomination, you're going to have to defeat Donald Trump. And so you're right. I think that they're biding their time. They don't want to get into a mudbath with him at this point because he'll drown them.

And so they've got they've got to establish a following before they can fight back and fight for the Trump voters. I think that's the other the other challenge, too. You want to defeat Trump, but you don't want to drive away back voters if you can. And so I I just think this whole Whole pathway to the nomination between now and the summer, really the late spring, early summer of 24, is littered with landmines for all the Republican candidates. And then, even if you were to get into a two-person race, which I think is the only way anybody can win this, short of Trump dropping out for some perhaps health reason or something like that.

And maybe he'll be indicted and maybe even that would drive him for the race, but I doubt it.

So I think for all of these Republicans, there's just a continuing calculation. Do I hit him back? What do I say? How do I hit him back? Because he will unleash the mud, a mountain of mud on you, and his supporters will love it.

And if he really has 40 or 41 percent, I guess as the Fox poll shows, I mean, that is a huge hill to overcome for any of these other candidates, some of whom, as you say, are pulling in single digits.

So how they get from here to there, I don't see it. I just think it's going to be a two-person race, DeSantis and Trump. And I think DeSantis himself is not sure how to do this. I mean, he's kind of resisted trying to throw a straight-on punch. It's almost oblique references.

To Trump, I don't think he uses Trump's name. I don't think he says anything. He says nice things about his book. Michael, I just got through almost all of his book. I have him today.

You'll hear this interview tomorrow. And he just chronicles all the things that he did. We're helping him out with the Army Corps of Engineers, getting them to help him out with this algae issue here, getting also working with them on moving the embassy, applauds that, what he sees, and just talked about how Donald Trump was the perfect antidote from what he was seeing after he got back from the military.

So there's not one negative word about Trump in his book. But he doesn't go out of his rent to say what agree, you know, he doesn't flower him with praise either. I want to talk about the other candidate, the current president of the United States. Is he going to run again? Is he going to make it official?

Well, Greg Craig, who had a legal role with Obama as well as Clinton, wrote this in today's New York Times. Considering the age factor, many experts agree that Mr. Biden is much more likely to die within the decade than a man 10 years younger. He's the oldest man ever. To be sworn into office.

Only four presidents have died of natural causes while in office. And when elected, none of four were aged by today's standards. The last president to die of natural causes in office was Roosevelt. He was just 63. Biden is showing his age because he has been more active on the national state for so many decades.

His current condition compares unfavorably with memories of his former self. People remember him when he didn't whisper or mumble, when his gait was not that of someone concerned about tripping or falling. I mean, this is all the things that people have been saying, just sober-minded people. He's saying it in an editorial saying that let the Democrats pick his running mate and let them know if you elect him where there's somebody formidable to step in, dump Harris, is what she's saying. And Biden is too old, is what he's saying.

Significant. I think it is. Look, every day that Biden doesn't announce I think invites more of this kind of speculation and an idea batting around different appro approaches. And I look, I think the Harris character is a is a complicating factor because if you're going to nominate Biden knowing he's unlikely to finish the four years, then what? And if it's if it's Harris, I think that weighs on Biden i i i in the election because y nobody, nobody wants Kamala Harris as President of the United States.

I mean, even certainly, all you have to do is get the people who all worked for her and ran away from her like a ghost To see that she can't even run a candy store. I mean, that would be an upgrade for her. She cannot do anything that requires leadership. Civility. thinking.

I mean, she is I I have never seen a person emerge on the public stage and crater the way she has. And look, she was picked to be vice president because of her gender and her race. We see what a flop that is. That's when you approach important jobs that way, you're likely to end up with a disaster because merit did not enter into the calculation. And I'll just take on to that.

And listen, I think you're 100% right. You've been saying it all along. I just thought it was significant that a Democrat would write that. But lastly, It just diminishes the people listening out there that have a job and we're told you're the first Hispanic female lesbian. Congratulations.

Excuse me. I thought I was best qualified. People who work hard their whole life to achieve things don't want to be diminished by being told it's all about their race, their gender, and their sexuality. And that was driven to me with this whole celebrities getting into colleges thing. And then the African Americans on these campuses in Ivy League are saying, now you know how we feel.

When you see a celebrity walking across campus, they just think, you know, they just think the only reason you're there is because you're a celebrity. And then when you see a black person on campus, well, the only reason you're there is because you're affirmative action admission. And a lot of times that's not the case. And they hate the perception.

So, the perception diminishing somebody's accomplishments and saying you got it because of your race is such an insult. And that's why I think at this point in this country, that's a perfect example of the downside of doing what he did. I want a woman and I want a minority. That eliminated Klobucher and Governor Widmer, and I think they're both awful, but it doesn't matter. They're much more competent than she is.

And then it stuck you with Harris, who you didn't like and your wife hates and is totally incompetent. Final thought?

Well, Brian, I that's why I think a lot of Americans are drawn to sports. It is undeniably about merit. The race doesn't enter into it. Uh because Everybody wants to win. And so the coaches and the owners, they pick the players who are going to help them win, whatever the sport.

And that's why I think sports has such a hold on American life. And I think that as we get deeper and deeper into this woke culture where race and everything else and ethnicity and income, all of that play a bigger role in society at large, it plays no role in sports. And I think sports are a great outlet for people who can say, ha, I can just come and watch the game and watch the best players play against each other. That's so refreshing. Unfortunately, it's now become almost obsolete in the rest of America.

In society. Absolutely. You want me to go back to sports, don't you, Michael? I get it. I get that.

I'm reading between the lines. Michael Goodwin, thanks so much. Always great. My pleasure, Brian. All right, 1-866-408-7669.

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This is the Brian Kill Meat Show. I want to take the opportunity to lay out how diverse the president's cabinet has been, how diverse the president's administration has been. The cabinet is majority people of color for the first time in history. The cabinet is majority female for the first time in history. A majority of White House senior staff identify as female.

40% of White House senior staff identify as part of their racially diverse communities. And a record seven assistants to the presidents are openly LGBTQ.

So, again, this is something that the president prides himself on, that he actually has taken action to show the diversity of this administration. It's just sickening. Because anybody who got that job in the White House wants to know that they earned it.

Now they think they're checking a box. That's Thursday from the press room. She's so happy we did all this. But what you're doing is you're diminishing all these people and letting them know you got the job because of your skin color, your sexual preference, your gender. Can you just get me the best people?

You have to run the best country, please. There was a time when people were prevented from doing things because of the color of their skin or because women weren't allowed to vote until 1919, but this is 2023. I think we could get the best people, don't you think? Too much is at stake. And we're seeing it over and over again.

You just heard Michael Goodwin. And there's not one Democrat who denies anything Michael said about the vice president. 1-866-408-7669. We come back, we dip into the Ukraine war and the reason we have to support the Ukrainians and why Jake Sullivan is still holding back and how wrong that is. Mark Esperance, don't move.

A radio show like no other. It's Brian, kill me. F-16s are a question for a later time, and that's why President Biden said that for now, he's not moving forward with those.

So, as far as we're concerned, The US effort has got to be to get Ukraine the tools it needs. For the mission at hand. And the mission at hand. is to have a successful counteroffensive where Ukraine is able to take back its own territory away from the hands of the Russians. Not giving him the F 15 sixteen that they need now.

Now is not the time to talk about it. Is that the way it should be handled? That's the National Security Advisor, evidently the one who's pulling the strings for Joe Biden and the one who even stopped Anthony Blinken, wants to give him the fighter jets, reportedly, and the attack hims. But Jake Sullivan won't. And this guy working behind the scenes, by the way, and the whole Russia collusion thing, working on CNN.

With me right now is Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. Mr. Secretary, is that the right attitude to have?

Well, good morning, Brian. No, it's not. Look, I've been arguing for quite some time now that we need to provide Ukrainians what they need when they need it. And too often, my criticism of this administration has been that we've dragged our feet, we've been self-deterred and late, whether it's Stingers or Highmars or Patriots or Tanks, and now it's F sixteen's. And once again, it seems to me that we're giving them just enough not to lose, but not enough to win, and that's the problem.

I agree with you. I would also add something else to it, is that Poland wants to give them their F 15s, F 16s that they got from us. Do we have to give them permission to give the American fighter jets, which they bought, I assume, to Ukraine? Yes, we do. Under our laws, and most countries' laws, there are re what are called re export agreements or conditions to transfer major defense items like this.

So that's kind of built into it. But look, the The um What needs to be teased out here and asked of the White House is this. On one hand, we saw where President Biden said just last night that. Ukrainians do not need F-16s and he said he's being told that by his senior leaders. And yet we know a week or two ago in Munich, the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe.

General Chris Cavoli, somebody I know and respect. said privately to lawmakers that the Ukrainians definitely need F sixteen.

So clearly, the most senior officer closest to the fight in Europe is saying something very different. And that needs to be raised and asked why are we listening to those commanders? Right, uh here's Michael McCall, cut 14. I know the administration says. As long as it takes, I think with the right weapons, it shouldn't take so long.

And quite frankly, Martha, this whole thing is taking too long, and it really didn't have to happen this way. This was a bipartisan delegation. To Munich. My delegation in Ukraine all agreed. With Zolensky.

That the ATACMs and the F-16s were appropriate right now. I talked to General Milley last night. I don't think it's off the table. I think with enough pressure from Congress on both sides of the aisle, we can get into Ukraine what they really need to win this fight. And it's Jake Sullivan that's doing it.

I mean there's people with power in every administration. This guy with I I think zero credibility is deciding what's going to happen with the key military battlefield right now, which, by the way, more and more Republicans are leaving this let's uh Ukraine at all costs camp. We're just too self deterred, Brian. That's the problem. And what the Congressman just said is Is right.

If we had given the Ukrainians what they needed when they asked for it, you could have seen a point in the fall. When Russia was running out of manpower, if you recall, they had the conscription of three hundred thousand people. And when Ukraine went on the offensive, if they had had all those tools that they've been asking for then, there's a good chance they might have pushed Russia all the way out of the Donpass and at least secured a much, much larger chunk of their country and would have been in position. To launch a spring counteroffensive again here in the coming weeks. Instead, what we seem to be doing is.

Uh Russia soon is going to start Pouring all these conscripts back into Ukraine, and they're going to launch. We're already seeing it, the early stages of it, that Russia's going to launch its own offensive. And that's all it is, is dragging out this war. It's causing more death and destruction for Ukraine. I just don't understand why people don't see it that way.

Now that China might be getting involved with their own or their own attack drones, and now we understand the Iranian-Russia connection is stronger than ever because the Russians are promising missile technology in exchange for the attack drones that they have.

Now, at the same time, while this alliance is fortifying, and they're making it easy for us, no longer debatable whether Iran, Russia, and China are our enemies. They're making it much easier.

So, while now, on the right, because Joe Biden has so little credibility, especially after Afghanistan, there's beginning to fracture. I'll give you an example. A guy I respect a lot, Dan Bongino, said this over the weekend. Am I gonna sugarcoat it? United States appears to be walking directly into World War three.

The signs are everywhere. Pentagon's planning to send more than a hundred US troops to Taiwan for training in the coming months.

Meanwhile, China's Xi Jinping is planning a visit to Moscow to see Putin. I'm sure they're just there to play Scrabble or whatever. A Putin, who just this week, by the way, suspended participation in a nuclear arms treaty with the United States and then threatened to resume nuclear testing. That kind of sounds like a big deal. Even worse, China appears to be strengthening its support for Russia.

And folks, there's real concerns. China will start supplying Russia with lethal weapons in the Ukraine war.

So, what do you feel? How do you feel about that?

Well, I don't think we're walking toward World War three, but we clearly see the blocks lining up and stiffening between the East and the West, right? We it's the democracies versus the autocracies, the good guys versus the bad guys. Xi Jinping is not going to let Russia fail. That's why our intelligence community is getting reports that they may be considering providing lethal aid to the Russians. By the way, they've been providing financial, technical, and other aid.

They've been buying Russian energy now for months, and we haven't cracked down on that. And then the developments between the Russians and the Iranians are troubling.

So, look, this is what happens when you give the bad guys room to seize the initiative, they're going to do it. And if we had, again, given the Ukrainians what they needed, we might have been able to go gain a lot more success Maybe not a knockout punch, but really have had a lot much more successful play on the battlefield than where we are right now. Because right now, it seems to be settling into a rough stalemate, more like World War I style trench warfare, where you have mass waves of infantry preceded by artillery. And that's not the fight we want to get into. That will go on for years and years and could end up in a frozen conflict.

What we need to do is give the Ukrainians the means to kind of get this over with quickly. Secretary Esper, do you think you guys, who did a lot more than Obama, who gave him blankets and MREs, you guys gave him weapons. Do you guys think you should have done more for Ukraine? In retrospect, you always say yes, but you're right. I mean, clearly, we did give them javelins.

I visited Leave in Western Ukraine and watched us training them. It's often overlooked, but I think the training of their military, of their soldiers and their NCOs actually is the most significant thing here. And we put a lot of time and effort into that. But look, Secretary Pompeo, Mike Pompeo and I and others were always talking about this showdown between Russia and the United States, the East and the West and really China, which I think is the far, far more complex and difficult threat that we face in this century.

So, I want to fast forward to China, and who's very much making a big decision now. I really believe. I really believe we should tell them exactly what's going to happen if they supply them attack drones and start giving them weapons. And I think all Western Europe should be on the same page with an announcement that they're going to start shutting down our markets to Chinese goods massively, incrementally and practically.

So don't make it pie in the sky stuff that we can't execute.

So let them know economically at a time in which they can afford at least, they'll pay the biggest price. I would like to let them know the consequences ahead of time because they seem to be moving forward. But I was shocked that I was pleased that CIA Director Burns said this over the weekend about China going into Taiwan. You've said Xi Jinping told his military to be prepared to invade Taiwan by 2027. The Intel community seems a little bit more ambiguous in its conclusions here.

Do you think it's an outright invasion, or do you think China's more likely to slowly strangle democracy in Taiwan? We need to take very seriously Xi's ambitions with regard to ultimately controlling Taiwan. That doesn't, however, in our view, mean that a military conflict is inevitable. We do know, as has been made public, that President Xi has instructed the PLA, the Chinese military leadership, to be ready by 2027 to invade Taiwan. But that doesn't mean that he's decided to invade in 2027 or any other year as well.

I think our judgment, at least, is that President Xi and his military leadership have doubts today about whether they could accomplish that invasion.

Well, I was sh was surprised by that. They have doubts. They haven't really fought any type of skirmish since nineteen seventy nine with Vietnam, and that was brief and wasn't that successful.

So maybe they have doubts, especially if we give Taiwan what they need to defend themselves? Yes, look, I think that's a fair assessment by Director Burns.

Some of us have been saying the same things. I think The tactical failures on the battlefield by the Russian military have been a wake up call for Xi Jinping. I think the unity of the West, the sanctions, economic, financial, diplomatic, have been a wake-up call for Xi Jinping. And I think he's asking himself, is it worth it?

Now and all those are good things because we want him to wake up every day saying, no, today is not the day because we can't pull it off. But where we've been too slow, once again, Brian, is in terms of providing Taiwan the means to defend itself. And if they had those things now, they could deter a Chinese Aggression. Nothing would be better than for a Chinese military to see 23 million armed Taiwanese ready to fight for their survival. Nobody's going to take that fight on because that's just that would just be a hornet's nest that they would never win.

And by the way, You know, think some think tanks have run war games where this has proven itself out that if Taiwan arms itself in fights, and if the United States commits vigorously, China doesn't win. And that's a good thing, right? Yeah, I would think that's a good thing. Do you think that we find out about this COVID coming I'm sure you saw the new report. The Secretary of Energy, the Energy Department, joins the FBI in concluding that it looks like that COVID-19 came from the lab, the Wuhan lab, which we all knew logically.

Tom Cotton was the first to speak out. You guys, as administration, immediately with the shutdown, travel from China. They still have not admitted it, and they're not forthcoming. But we saw how they reacted and killed the whistleblower doctor that came out and said it came from a lab. Do you think that comes out without the balloon situation from three weeks ago?

I don't know, Brian, but it is it's another reminder that as we look back in time, we see all these things that people portrayed as conspiracy theories or flukes or whatnot that seem to be coming true that or at least have more truth than before. Because you're right, we were saying It was possible that it came from the lab, either intentionally or accidentally, and now we're seeing the facts. play itself out. And on top of that, the Chinese never have given an inch on this. They've blocked investigation and inquiry after inquiry.

They got the World Health Organization to soft cuddle its initial disputes. And look, we still need that information. We still need to know what happened and why. Lab leaks happen. And you have to be transparent about that so we can prevent them from happening in the future.

But this is just another example of the Chinese Communist Party hiding. uh hiding from the world, allowing, what, nearly seven million people to die as a result of this infection it crippled our economy for For a matter of time.

So, this is very problematic. This is what happens when you deal with the Chinese Communist Party. Right, I just do think that's something we all can get behind because most people see the threat of China, it's how to handle it and who's compromised by it. Lastly, are you concerned about the amount of people on the right, like Ted Cruz, Andy Biggs, that just don't want any part of this conflict, says we just get out and just let Ukraine wither, don't like the country, don't like Zelensky? Yes, I am.

Look, I consider myself a Reagan Republican, and Ronald Reagan would be standing firmly behind the Ukrainian people right now as they fight for their democracy. look, they're not perfect. There's been corruption in that society for a long time. They need to fix that. But we've got to stand behind the democracies of the world, and we've got to stand against the autocracies of the world.

And if it's a matter of spending too much money, I get it, I agree. I think our debt situation is terrible, and we need to address it from top to bottom, both mandatory and discretionary spending. And at the same time, we need to be able to deal with the Chinese.

So I think on one hand, they're right. But on the other hand, denying the Ukrainians assistance is the wrong way to go. Because at the end of the day, it comes back home to America. Eventually, we have to deal with it in one way, shape, or form. And better to fight that fight now.

Support a country who all they're asking for are arms and ammunition. They're not asking for American soldiers. They just want arms and ammunition to do the job themselves.

So let's give them that. Yeah, the problem is Joe Biden has just no credibility on the world stage. And after Afghanistan, the last thing people want to do is say, let's go with what Joe says, who's been slow arming. And I think that's. I think people are getting lost in the forest and the trees, personally.

Mr. Secretary, thanks so much, Secretary Espery. I appreciate it. Thanks, Brian. Take care.

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The more you listen, the more you'll know. It's Brian Killmead. There's a chance that this was created in a lab. There's an investigation. A chance?

Well, I don't know if I can. Oh my god, there's evidence I'd love to hear. There's a novel. Respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do?

Oh, you know who we could ask? Wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab. The disease is the same name as the lab. How did that happen? Or maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey and Then it sneezed into my chili and now we all have coronavirus.

Like come on That was a turning point. in the coverage because Democrats were saying this is the way it happened, wear a mask, wear a ten mask, and of course this just came up naturally through the environment. And don't condemn China. You're anti-Asian if you do that. You're fomenting unrest in our country.

You're causing Crime in our subways, and then out comes Jon Stewart on just an appearance to promote one of his projects with Stephen Colbert, the man he put in that spot, an executive producer of his show, and says that. What is even better is the two-shot. Even through his thick glasses, you could see Colbert recoiling, saying, Oh my goodness, what's he saying? It's called Drumroll, Please, the Truth, a logic that Tom Cotton said and was vilified for. And everyone that vilified him, I thought, was an idiot because you have to suspend logic, which I think people really like doing.

Ricky, listing in South Carolina. Hey, Ricky. Good morning, Brian. How are you doing today? Great.

What's in your mind?

So I'm against sending F sixteen through Ukraine. Chanel and explain why. If we had been secretly training the Ukrainian Air Force on S sixteen since the war started, they would be able to use them tomorrow. But we have it. Wow.

Poland has been requesting F sixteen and they will send them their megs with They're already trained on.

So I thought we should send her to Poland and let Poland give the Air Force to the Ukrainians and that will let the airport that Ukrainians been in now. Give it Migs.

Okay. I like the logic, Ricky. I like the ro I like the logic. You know, they've trained on MiGs. You know, silly me, I thought when these countries got into NATO in the nineties that they be they would start using and buying our stuff.

Why were they buying Soviet stuff and expect it to be ready, knowing that you're going to, if anything, be forced to fight the Soviets, the Russians now? And it would have to be, you know, of course, you'd have to get the parts from them. Thanks, Ricky. Avery in Florida. Avery.

Hey, good morning, Brian. It's nice to talk with you. I just wanted to express a little bit of a different angle on Ukraine. We know that Ukraine has, well, we have the Treaty of Minsk. You know, the Minsk agreement, which we promised the Soviet Union that we would not be arming Ukraine.

It would be a buffer zone, if you will. We know Putin's not a good guy. He's not a good guy. He never has been. But the fact is, we have bioweapons labs there.

We know that. We put arms to them. We promised to prevent Avery. We promised to provide them security along with Russia and the rest of NATO if they gave up their nuclear weapons. Not promise a buffer zone.

They're a country, not a buffer zone. A buffer zone is the. Sinai Peninsula. Golden Heights. They're a country.

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmead. Welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kill Me Show. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Hope you had a fantastic weekend.

We're back in action now. This hour going to be joined by Brett Baer to set the table for the week. Brett's got a big interview with the director of the FBI, Christopher Wray. Also, we're going to have Jamie Metzel standing by, a member of the WHO Advisory Committee, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and former National Security Council official at the Clinton administration. And what's especially great about Jamie is he couldn't care less about Republican or Democrat.

He is one of the few people who, possibly a Democrat, I'm not really sure, worked for Clinton. But just cares about finding the origins of this leak and how to best treat it and saw what was going on and just decided to speak out. Always appreciate his voice.

So let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. Did it come from a lab? Was it man-made? There's every reason to believe that the jumping of species from an animal reservoir occurred.

This could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated. The idea, I think, is quite far-fetched. Yeah. Yeah. China threat.

The threat that seems to be something that will unite the whole country together. They are our number one foe, and we should wake up to their slow-moving attack on us. And now, the other news: the Energy Department has concluded with the FBI, has also concluded, most reasonable people have concluded, that the COVID-19 virus came from a Chinese lab. More on that. Number two.

It is really important that whoever runs for President of the United States understands the essence of this conflict. The fact that we are defending not just Ukrainian independence, but we are defending a rules-based system that says might doesn't make right. You can't just extinguish your neighbor. Pirate, a party divided. The GOP's increasing split over the support of the Ukraine war.

It's simple for me. Every dollar spent helping Ukraine defeat Russia is in American interest and worth every penny. Number Wrong. We can't be attacking each other so much that we lose sight of we have to beat the Democrats. We have to beat Joe Biden in 2024.

Big race has lost this cycle because of Republicans refusing to support other Republicans. Unless we start coming together, we will not win in 2024.

Ronald McDaniel, RNC, 2024, a pledge of eventual unity demanded as the potential Trump challenges emerge. By the way, 45 has to feel great about the latest polls. It showed him up by 20 on Ron DeSantis. And Ronald McDaniel was saying, nobody gets on the debate stage who doesn't pledge to support the winner, whoever it may be, he or she. With me right now is Jamie Metzl.

Jamie, what's your reaction to the Energy Department concluding what most logical people did is that this lab, this COVID-19 virus came from Wuhan Lab? I think it's great, and I'm thrilled to be back with you, Brian. I think it's fantastic. The Department of Energy, not everybody knows this, has some of the top scientists in the world, our big labs, Lawrence Livermore, National Lab and others.

So these are really smart people. And they've just been digging. They've been looking into this issue. And they have concluded, and it's not with absolute certainty, but they believe that more likely than not, as you know I believe, This pandemic stems from a lab accident in Wuhan, and we need to keep pushing, and we need to keep pressing relentlessly, regardless of the politics. to get to the right answer because our future depends on it.

So We have the FBI that says more than likely it came from there. Why do you think there's so many people on the left have been so dug in that this did not come from this lab? Like, what. You know, I don't know, but as you mentioned in your intro, Brian, I'm a Democrat. I consider myself a.

progressive centrist Democrat, whatever that means. I have friends who are Democrats, friends who are Republicans like you, who are all united in saying, let's get to the bottom of this. There are certainly people and Democrats among them who have To have positioned this issue kind of like climate change. If you're following the science, it means you think it came from a market. And if you're a conspiracy theorist or something else, you think it it came from a lab.

There are a few people who think that, and I think we need to counter them with conversations like this and outreach and engagement.

So I don't always classify this as a left-right issue. There are people on the left and people on the right who are pushing, and I think we all need to push. And we could be wrong. I mean, there could be evidence that comes out tomorrow. We could find a virus in the wild, and when we line it up on the family tree of viruses, it's before SARS-CoV-2, and it's 99.9% the same.

And in my mind, I would say, wow, Maybe this was wrong. Maybe it does come from the wild. But there is No evidence of that now, and in my view, the massive circumstantial evidence. Points to a most likely origin, which is a lab origin, and that's why I'm pushing, and you're pushing, and lots of other people are pushing. And Lee, and you're 100% right.

But the best way to do it is together. Jimmy, if you know what to me, a conspiracy theory is, if they say, you know, Russia and Iran and China got together, constructed this virus, and then they put it in the no, I have no proof of that. I mean, but when you just see the Wuhan lab right there and it was working on COVID-19 viruses and gain of function, and you'd say to yourself, it just happened there. Why haven't they been transparent? For example, if it did come from the wild, identify the animal it came from.

And my goodness, China, wouldn't they come out and say, not my fault? At one point, they've sequenced nearly a hundred thousand. Animal genomes and nothing. And not only that, they have prevented any meaningful investigation into the origins issue. We don't have the quote unquote smoking gun.

But if this was a criminal trial of a mafia boss and the witnesses, the prospective witnesses kept disappearing, we'd say, well, it doesn't make the mafia boss look innocent.

So I want you to hear, just so you know, we're not why we think it's such a big deal, because I remember like yesterday, every time you brought something like this up, you were marginalized. Listen to Tom Cotton, February of twenty twenty, cut nineteen. This virus did not originate in the Wuhan animal market. Several of the original cases did not have any contact with that food market. The virus went into that food market before it came out of that food market.

Because of China's duplicity and dishonesty from the beginning, we need to at least ask the question to see what the evidence says. And China right now is not giving any evidence on that question at all.

And then Fauci comes out with a series of statements every chance he got, twenty-one. The mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is. totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human. The alternative explanation, which most public health individuals go by, is that this virus was actually circulating in China, likely in Wuhan. For a month or more before they were clinically recognized.

Did it come from a lab? Was it man-made? There's every reason to believe that the jumping of species from an animal reservoir occurred. Well, I mean, what is every reason to believe the jumping of a species? What makes you think that?

Yes. I mean, he should have said we don't know. We don't know was the right answer. There were a lot of and still are some high profile Western virologists who are making the case. I believe it's not a strong case, but making the case for a market origin.

So I'm actually a fan of Dr. Fauci's in many ways, but I think that he was too strong in saying I don't think the evidence supported the strength of the assertion that you just played and other ones that he made. Which is why I think we need to say, and Fauci also, to his credit, said we need a full investigation. But did he mean it? Did he mean it?

Did he ever call out China? Did he ever say, I want my colleagues over there who divorced from international relations know what the right thing to do is for science to come clean about what happened? The world needs to know to stop the next one. They didn't give us a heads up. Where's the anger?

And where's the antagonism for that as opposed to the people that didn't agree with his mitigation procedures and beliefs as well as his origin challenges? Yeah. So I don't know whether anger is the right word, but I think we all need to be absolutely pushing on all sides.

So the House is going to be doing hearings on COVID origins. I've called on the Senate to be doing, I know Fauci is going to be called to testify. And we need to keep our focus on the main culprit here, which is China. The United States government, we need to look at everything, including looking at ourselves. And we need to ask, I mean, certain ways the NIH was giving funds to the EcoHealth Alliance that went was about six hundred thousand dollars over around five years.

Went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. We had no transparency about what work they were doing. We funded the development of a database, a viral database, that was supposed to help us do the analysis. When an outbreak like this happened, but in September of 2019, that database was taken offline.

So we have to look at everything, including fearlessly looking at ourselves and let the chips fall where they may, not determined by politics, but by the evidence. Yes, but I'm not done with Anthony Fauci pushing back. Cut 22. If you look at The evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now. Is very, very strongly leaning towards this could not have been artificially or deliberately.

Manipulated. I mean, the idea, I think, is quite far-fetched. That the Chinese deliberately engineered something so that they could kill themselves as well as other people? What? But he didn't bring up leak.

You know, I don't know about deliberately. Who knows? I mean, they could be that. Yeah, I think that's he's it's it's like he's being he's wordsmithing based on the word deliberately. I I believe uh that the Chinese did not Create and deliberately release a bioweapon, just because that would be insane.

Everybody knows that if you, if you like, why would you release an infectious pathogen that was just as likely to kill you? What I think. most likely happened is they were doing perhaps well intentioned research trying to develop maybe a pan coronavirus vaccine, and they did it in a sloppy way and had an accident, and they weren't Sure, what was happening, and then they started a cover-up, and then they were kind of locked in. And then they went with it. And that's the Chinese side, at least as I see it most likely.

But we shouldn't be in the process of making their lives easier. What we should say. Is we're going to do everything possible to find out how this thing started. And if China, if you're not going to fully participate, which is the case, we are going to repent, we're going to condemn you. early and often.

And I think that's I I agree with you that I think that Fauci has been too soft on this issue, where the correct answer was We don't know. We need a full investigation. China is preventing that full investigation. We condemn them for that. And then here are all the steps that we're going to take to make the deepest possible investigation that we can do, even without Chinese participation.

So, Jonathan Turley Rice said in the New York Post: So, we talked about the leak, and the fact is: okay, Tom Cotton says one thing, and you say another, and somebody says, okay. But I don't want to vilify Tom Cotton. I don't necessarily want to vilify people that say he came from a platypus to a hippopotamus. You know, okay. We take it down, we think about it, we have experts in, we debate it.

But vilifying, making sure on social media that they've been shadow banned or banned entirely. And as Jonathan Charlie writes, the story of the scandal is of the media and government censorship. Jamie, do you found some of your opinions and columns censored? Yes, I don't know censored, but certainly for that first year of twenty twenty, it was a huge uphill struggle because there was somehow this consensus that was unfounded that all smart people know it comes from nature and only crazy conspiracy theorists think it may have come from a lab. And even though, as I mentioned before, I'm a Democrat, I served in the National Security Council under President Clinton, I was a member of the World Health Organization Expert Advisory Committee on Human Genome, I write a lot about science.

I live in the world of science. I was kind of on the outside. And not only that, Democratic friends of mine. We're saying you're talking about possible lab wars, and that's what Trump is saying. You're just going to get Trump reelected.

And what I said to them is, look, I'm not a fan of I'm not a fan of Donald Trump. But I'm not going to reject something just because Donald Trump said it. I'm going to look at the evidence and say, well, do I believe it or do I not believe it?

So I didn't like how Donald Trump was speaking in many ways. I thought it was insensitive. But the saying that this probably comes from a lab in my mind, was just common sense regardless of the politics. And that's why I've enjoyed my many conversations with you, Brian, because we're on the same page in this. Who cares the politics?

15 million people are dead. We've got to find out why. If we don't do it, We're at risk, future generations are at risk, and they're going to blame us for not doing everything we could now. And the thing is, Jamie, do you know what would have been just the opposite if Trump got re-elected? Every person where the vaccine didn't work or it morphed into a new variant that the vaccine was ineffective, they'd say, or people got the swelling of the heart that we hear so much about now, or a heart attack out of nowhere at 41.

They say Trump rushed the vaccine, and because of that, people are dying. And anyone that wore a mask was going along with it would have been a total reversal. You know, it's funny, Brian, like I say this all the time. Again, I wasn't a fan of Trump. But Trump, we should be like parading him around for Operation Warpspeed.

Operation Warpspeed, speeding up these vaccine vaccines saved millions of lives, not just in the United States. But around the world. Unfortunately, the the Trump administration wasn't able to even praise themselves because the politics of vaccine had turned. But I praise the Trump administration all the time. I mean, that was in American history, Operation Warfie ought to be Remembered alongside the Manhattan Project and all these other moments where American ingenuity rallies and saves lives.

But the thing is, they were able to do it, gave them immunity.

So Pfizer and those others were able to try things, knowing that it wouldn't destroy their company if they had the risk. And now people are saying, Wow, I got swelling of the heart, myrachonditis I never had before. I'd like to sue them, but I can't.

So the complications with it, and I think the approach was pure. And now people don't have so little trust in big pharma that they're looking at something insidious there. But it's hard because the people who don't have COVID or didn't get COVID or don't have long COVID now because they never had COVID before. They're not kind of stakeholders in saying, wow, Operation Warpstead really saved me. They just think, oh, I never got COVID.

So that's it, it kind of creates an imbalance. Got it. Jamie Metzel, always educational to talk to you. Thanks so much. Thank you, Brian.

Anytime. You got it. We come back. I'll take your calls. Then, Brett Baer, don't move.

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I think we have to recognize that the Chinese-Russian relationship is perhaps more strategic than many of us had thought. That it really is a relationship that is aimed at the heart of U.S. power in the world. And that would say then these two are not divisible.

So if you want to say, let's just concentrate on the Indo-Pacific, that's not going to work. And oh, by the way, many of our allies, Australia, Japan, fundamentally understand that. Yes, that was kind of Lisa Rice, obviously, Dennis in Virginia Beach. Hey, Dennis. It's more bright.

You know, I my thing is if Trump was still in, if we would never left Afghanistan the way we did and left all the material there, And Yeah, I think it's a very good idea. And if we had just armed Ukrainians, got you know, what President Trump was en route doing. And by the way, there was more weapon shipments coming and President Biden stopped it. They're coming from the Trump administration. They're en route.

He goes, No, if we had just given them enough to fight with, there wouldn't have been a fight. Because now we know too, you know, Russia's going to think twice before they invade anybody because they're so inept. And now we're in a pro-cran bladder. Having said that, Everything you said is right, but I still think it's in our interest to stop Russia here, and therefore you stop China in the process. Do this for the Brian Killme show.

I'll bounce it off Brett Baer in a matter of moments, and then I'll finish up with more of your calls.

So glad you're here. Don't move. Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. You've said Xi Jinping told his military to be prepared to invade Taiwan by 2027.

The Intel community seems a little bit more ambiguous in its conclusions here. Do you think it's an outright invasion, or do you think China's more likely to slowly strangle democracy in Taiwan? We need to take very seriously Xi's ambitions with regard to ultimately controlling Taiwan. That doesn't, however, in our view, mean that a military conflict is inevitable. We do know, as has been made public, that President Xi has instructed the PLA, the Chinese military leadership, to be ready by 2027 to invade Taiwan.

But that doesn't mean that he's decided to invade in 2027 or any other year as well. I think our judgment, at least, is that President Xi and his military leadership have doubts today about whether they could accomplish that invasion.

William Burns, CIA Director, saying that China is a little wary, according to their reports and intelligence, after Russia struggled so mightily and lost 200,000 casualties, death, the dead and wounded. With us right now is Brett Baer, set the host special report, and this will be the week he talks to Christopher A, FBI Director. Hey, Brett. Hey, Brian. Hey, that's the first time I heard that from an official.

I've heard people on the sideline that China's getting a little wary about going into Taiwan. Maybe it's not going to be that easy, like Hong Kong. Yeah, I think Bill Burns is one of their best. Spokespeople when it comes to intelligence. Obviously, he's at the heart of everything, but he does speak pretty clearly and.

Actually, it answers questions.

So That's a rare event. He essentially is saying what some are pointing to, and that China has. a lot of internal problems. It has Millions of people going from rural areas to urban areas. It's got health concerns in how to.

keep those people deal with health care. And it's got a r uh a whole bunch of things that determine are determined on the supply chain. That could very well be affected with any kind of move on Taiwan.

So I do think there's a little. you know, everything I hear, a little reticence on she's part to move forward.

So we see Jake Sullivan over and over again say that I told China is thinking about providing lethal weapons to Russia and how bad that would be. I don't understand why not spell out exactly how bad it would be. Let them know. I mean, are is NATO on target to start limiting trade with them? Is the EU on target to start doing that?

How devastating it would be economically to them? Why not say it? I agree with you. Yeah, why not lay it out and say these are the consequences? This administration has not done that, has not spoken in black and white.

It's a lot of gray nuance. I mean, think about it. You had a Chinese spy balloon that made it all the way across the country. And you know, Vice President Harris said it wouldn't affect U.S.-China relations.

Well, maybe. Yeah. And so I think you look at every issue on China and it seems like they're they're just tiptoeing. around uh some of the big big issues that should be black and white, according to critics up on Capitol Hill.

So, I mean, this is what Robert Leidhiser was saying: a pretty well-respected trade representative, one of the MVPs of the Trump years, Cut 33. For sure, we ought to repeal it. But I think in addition, we ought to put tariffs on China in order to get the trade deficit to zero. We have transferred, let me just give you this number, about $6 trillion in trade surpluses to them in the last 20 years. $6 trillion.

No rational person can now look at the situation and not see what's coming. And the first statement was that should we get rid of the most favorite station nation status to China? I mean, I think that's something both sides can agree on. I mean, we're getting there. And obviously, there are some businesses that still have a lot of operations in China, but increasingly, a lot of those businesses are moving on their own.

uh with their feet as the Chinese government is is kind of cracking down On the mainland and elsewhere. I, you know, Leichhiser has a really good sense of this. Obviously, he was the point man for a lot of Trump trade policy. But it I think you're going to increasingly have this Conflict, and the administration talks about it as competition, not conflict. But it's not how the Chinese are acting.

So let's talk about 2024. Brett, do you know, are you going to be, you and Martha are going to be doing the primaries and, excuse me, the debates in August?

Okay. I don't know officially. We've definitely talked about it and made pitches and um we expect to be considered, but I I don't think they finally made a um determination, but we look forward to a robust primary debate schedule. I think there's going to be a number of candidates, and they're going to want to have times where they're all on the same stage. Ronnie McDaniel said that if you don't sign this pledge to support the winner who gets the nomination, you can't get on the stage.

How could she possibly hold to that, knowing that Donald Trump would never I don't think he's going to sign it. She seems Adamant that he's going to sign it. I don't know where that comes from, that confidence. I mean, obviously. The last uh two cycles ago, I asked that question in Cleveland.

because it was a big concern among the RNC folks. Um yes. He didn't run. Was he going to run independent? And you remember the whole the whole answer there.

I I think that It's tough to pin down Donald Trump, but right now he the latest polls have him ticking up. as far as support. And who knows what happens over time. as more and more people, including the Florida governor, get in. But right now, he's in a pretty decent position poll wise if you look across the board.

Yeah, I would think so. By the way, I'm going to speak into Governor DeSantis today. You'll hear that interview tomorrow on this show. 2024 Republican nominee preference, Fox News poll. Who do you pick?

Republicans. 43% Trump, 28% DeSantis, 7% Haley and Pence, and the rest have 2%, whether it's Abbott or whether it's Pompeo on down.

So that's a pretty substantial lead. It is, and it's not the only poll. And we have, you know. good polls, but there are others that have it. You know, double-digits, some, you know, higher than mid-teens advantage.

Now, obviously, Governor DeSantis is not officially in the race. But he's been considered in these polls And you know, people will say, well, it's name recognition, it's looking back to Trump policies But if this primary gets going, it's going to focus more on You know what he's done and said, and wanting to turn the page to a new generation. That may be the case, but as you head into this process, You know, August is going to come soon before that first debate.

So I know you have a lot of big interviews. This is as big as it gets, in my view. Christopher Wray. How did you get it? I think so.

And what's your approach?

So I've been working on it for really months. Uh I I interviewed him like yes. a year ago. Um had a good back and forth. Um You know, what I'm going for is tough but fair, and obviously, there are an increasing number of items.

That fall under the FBI basket that are controversial. And You know, something tells me that the FBI director wants to get out ahead of the Durham report that officially comes out at some point. Maybe he wants to get ahead of.

Some of the hearings that are going to be called up on Capitol Hill. Not sure the motivation, but it took a long time. And I agree, it's going to take some.

some effort to murder board exactly where we're going to go for the interview. It's amazing suggestions. Feel free to but Brett, do you think I could text you or you still want me to tweet you? I have to tweak. You can text me.

Okay. I probably wouldn't put that up. Right, thank you.

So let me see. I usually provide most of Brett's questions. That'll come out when the unauthorized biography is finally released, which I've been working on.

So, Brett, I mean, a couple of things. There's a lot of stuff where Christopher Ray could come clean because it doesn't reflect him. It happened before he got there. And he could say, Yeah, I came in, I fixed this. You know, Comey was doing this, and Mueller was doing that, and I came into this, and my approach was this.

And there's other stuff that does reflect directly on him. But he didn't he changed seemed to have changed so little Because I guess you want to keep it in the family. I mean, for example, if stuff happened, if I could say I got hired at Fox in 2015 and there was stuff that happened before, and I can say, yeah, it didn't happen when I was there, but since I'm on the Fox team now, I'm not going to say anything. But with Christopher Wray, I think the stakes are different. You talk about national security.

And if he wants, there's no faith in the FBI now. On both sides are having especially on the right, there's huge there's huge questions. And now we have that defector who's in the middle of the Russia Mueller probe. Turns out that he was feeding Russia information And he's in the middle of all this stuff about the dossier and things like that.

So there's and now you have these FBI whistleblowers coming forward. Are they all insane? Yeah, evidently does it dozen. Yeah. And you know, those hearings are going to be quite something.

Jim Jordan is forecasting what exactly he has Yes, so there's a whole bunch of issues, and some of it does predate Ray, but some of it is happening real time. I mean, the disparity between how the documents were handled with Former President Trump and President Biden, I mean, there's a lot of people ask questions about that. Yeah, well um pro-life protester and and how he was Arrested and he's since been cleared. There's all kinds of controversies, it seems, that have involved the FBI. Um it's not a shortage of questions.

Right.

So the other thing is, the Energy Department came out and did had some great scientists there, and they came out and said it looks like they believe additional evidence reveals that most likely COVID-19 came from a lab and not from a platypus and a duck and a hippopotamus, as we thought originally.

So this is something the FBI actually says they have concluded the same thing. Four other agencies have not. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Berks and company say absolutely not. There's just no way, but let's have an investigation.

I wonder where this is going, Brett. And it's important because we've got to stop the next one. Yeah, this is such you know, you you talk about the what has been said about masks and what has been said about the vaccine and how that has all evolved over time, and we've obviously talked about that. But I think that the origin story is really gets to the heart of not only social media shutdown, government kind of saying you can't say that, But the fact that it's now totally evolved, and we did the first story. Um of that back in April two years ago.

And We were called whack jobs, essentially. And despite having multiple sources in multiple places, There was a real shutdown effort. And it can it's seen in some of the emails that were FOIA. with between doctor Fauci and others. And so I do think that there's some vindication, but you have to look back and see what was said.

It's really amazing. If you think of where we were even just a year ago. I miss issue. Uh yeah, and you know when it's all said and done? One of the people Um that turned this around.

When people was bringing up like Tom Cotton was marginalized as a conspiracy theorist because he came out in February of twenty twenty and said this came from a lab, don't believe anything else that you hear. We know the New York Times and everybody else wrote him up. And then I remember this appearance. on Stephen Colbert. was the one that really knocked Democrats off their axis, cut 25.

There's a chance that this was created in a lab. There's an investigation. A chance?

Well, if there's evidence, I'd love to hear it. There's a novel. Respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask?

The Wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab. The disease is the same name as the lab. How did that happen? Maybe a bat for flew into the cloaca of a turkey and Then it sneezed into my chili and now we all have coronavirus. Like come on.

That made a lot of news. Yeah. And he was right. I mean, it was. it just it never made sense that what was what what was being put out there.

And the fact that it was being shut down, that it could not have come from the lab, just didn't make sense. And yet everybody went with it and social media said you can't talk about it. And I just think that over time, we're going to learn more and more. And remember, we're learning this without the help of the Chinese. Because on the back end of this, There's a responsibility.

you know, that that uh is going to have to be looked at. And I think some of these hearings up on Capitol Hill are going to get to that. You mean countries crushed, millions dead? I would think China would see somewhat culpable. I would yeah.

And if they admit to anything. Brett, I look forward to your interview. When can we see it?

So we'll be on tomorrow on special report. We'll have a couple of soundbites come out mid-afternoon. I'll do a live shout or two from the FBI. But then the show tomorrow will be from the FBI at the beginning, and we'll have twenty minutes with the FBI director. Oh, wait, it's live?

It's water tape.

Okay. Yeah. I'll be taping it early in the day. Got it. All right, Brett.

Another reason to watch. A special report. It's on wherever you get cable. Thanks, Brett. And stream.

Just like. All right, Brett, go get him. I'll look for my questions. I will tweet you and text you, and I'll make sure the interview works. As usual, I will help Brett Bear out because I am a great colleague.

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President Biden is being praised for his surprise visit to Ukraine by taking a 10-hour train ride from Poland. Big deal. You know who else takes a long-ass train ride through an active war zone? Every New Yorker. China is trying to help end the war in Ukraine and proposed a 12-part plan for peace.

The catch is the 12-parts have to be assembled by children.

Okay. It's Well, it's a good plan. While Biden was in Ukraine, Republicans criticized his delayed response to the Ohio train derailment. But Biden said he was just waiting to shoot the train down until it was over the ocean. Perfect.

That is fantastic. There were some of the things that you couldn't help but go after Biden for. I didn't see SNL. Usually I try to take it in and see if it's newsworthy. But I understand that Woody Harrelson also had somewhat of a meltdown about COVID-19.

But I know he's a great actor, seems like a nice guy, but he's always high.

So I'm not sure if that helped. Alexis in Brooklyn. Hey, Alexis. Alex, excuse me, Alex, my fault. Hi, good morning, Brian.

Thanks for taking the call. And by the way, I think the New Yorker going on the train is more of a hero than Joe Biden because Joe Biden won with security.

So yeah. And then he told Russia he's coming.

So Russia knew not to hit him or else they'd start a World War. Of course. But I wanted to say about the FBI and the Energy Department now coming out and saying that this might this COVID might be coming from a lab. I think this is another example of where we saw the Democrats coming out after the election and admitting that the Hunter Biden laptop might be Hunter Biden's. And the reason is because they know the Republicans now have the House and they're going to be investigating COVID and the laptop situation with Hunter Biden.

And they want to be ahead of the curve. And so that's why they're coming out with the truth right now because the truth is going to come out anyways because the Republicans are going to be investigating it.

So that's why they're admitting that this may be the case with COVID right now. Uh no question. Tony, listening in New Jersey. Tony, WABC. Hello, Brian.

Love your show. Listen, I'm looking for the job the job description of a diplomat, what we need, and I'm hoping in the next administration. One who is in the sort of background right now will surface. One diplomat, like a Teddy Roosevelt. who in the early nineteen hundreds brought peace Russia and Japan.

He did. He stepped up. Let's see what happened. But too bad Russia is occupying too much of Ukraine just to say let's have peace. Thanks so much for everyone.

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