Producers' Pick | Governor of New Hampshire Chris Sununu - Full Interview

Hi everyone, welcome to the latest moments of the Brian Kilmeade Show, a day like no other, first time in anybody's lifetime that they can remember outside 9-11 that every flight has been postponed or canceled. You're talking about hundreds and thousands of flights that have been postponed because of a system called the NOTAM system, which is basically a safety system, which says if you're in Atlanta and there's a fire or if there's a problem on a runway, it's a way for these airlines to communicate to their flights what the challenges are in each and every city. If that goes down, you can't fly. And guess what? First time ever that's gone down. Guess who's Secretary of Transportation is? Another problem for Pete Pooda Judge that didn't get in front of. Governor Chris Sununu is right here in studio.

Fox Nation is seeing him right now on camera. Martha McAllen at the bottom of the hour. Before we get to the great governor of New Hampshire, let's get to the Big Three. Now with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's Big Three.

Number three. Cooking with gas. Whether you like it or not, the Dems make a farcical move to get rid of gas ovens out of your kitchen and out of restaurant kitchens. No joke.

Make no mistake. This is about a green agenda. Number two.

There we go. The President of the United States talking about a failed policy with somebody that's failed us, and that is the President of Mexico as well as the President of the United States. His failed border policies are on display for the last two or three days as they heap praise on each other for failing their respective constituents.

Number one. Docudrama as top classified documents found in Joe Biden's UPenn office has the White House scrambling for a coherent explanation. The President was questioned about it yesterday, and his tact is really entertaining.

Please don't tell me what's in and my lawyers don't want me to know. Governor Sununu, welcome. I love it. I know. You are just set up for all of the comedy of errors coming out of Washington D.C.

It is incredible. First off, just your reflection. Did you fly down? I flew down last night and then I'll drive back today. All right. So you'll drive back? Yeah.

Smart. I mean, I cannot count on air travel. For you and a guy in business, whether you're going to a conference, you can never say my plan lands at noon.

I'll see you at one. It's really one of the most vital pieces of infrastructure that has to be. And to your point, Pete Buttigieg has proven himself not to be a transportation, infrastructure or supply guy.

There's no sense of it whatsoever. It's a miracle he didn't have to come off vacation to deal with the issue. And all he really did was get in front of the cameras, wait for someone to, you know, plug the system back in or whatever the heck they had to do. And then we'll try to take credit for it. But you've got it. To your point you brought up, you have to stay ahead of these things.

Right. That's what executive management is. You've got to stay ahead and work the systems and understand you need fail safes.

You need Plan B. To simply ground America for six hours is not the solution. For what I know about you, this what drives you nuts about your business is that people are in there to be famous or be noted or get an article instead of being efficient. And that's how you get noticed. Being good at your job gets you noticed. Results get you the win.

They do. I don't care how much money you want to raise or how many headlines you want. If you get results and not just your party and your base will say thank you. America says thank you or your constituency across the board says thank you. And so whether, look, I'm a Republican governor of a very purple state. Our legislature is 201 Republicans, 199 Democrats.

We have a two point margin. And we have a Speaker of the House, by the way, no problem. But we still get stuff done no matter what. We always get it done. And I don't have to raise taxes. I don't have to really. I can give a little to get a lot.

Democrats are actually amazingly bad at negotiation, which is why I wish Republicans would wake up and say, yeah, happy to negotiate with Democrats because we're going to get 10 times what we have to give. I always think about that feature we did together. You let me follow you around a little. And it was a voting day and it was primary day. And you said what people don't understand is everyone basically is going to be in office for a little while. You're asked to go in and serve in New Hampshire.

Yeah, in New Hampshire. So it's it's one of these things you really feel an obligation rather than this is I'm going to be in politics for a living. Now, there's my moment. I got to get in there and get busy. And I got to I have to get elected every two years.

If I do the job, I can get you to get elected. I do. Yeah. I don't like that, by the way. I love it.

You do. You do hate it as a governor because it's really hard on me personally. But the system really works. You're not doing your job. We're going to fire you like. Right.

That's that's kind of the private business way. And there's no excuses. I only had two years to get stuff. That's plenty of time.

I'm proof positive. You get a ton of stuff done in two years. So your dad was chief of staff for George H. W. Bush.

Yes. So he understands efficiency. And, you know, we're engineers. You know, I was a mechanical engineer. I'm a civil engineer.

Systems, feedback, response systems, design. Yeah, that's what we love. Well, I did not know that. Really? I was a civil and environmental engineer for about 12 years. I cleaned up hazardous waste sites and I designed bridges and dams, roads.

I did all that. Yeah. So if someone wanted to get someone with experience to implement an infrastructure plan, you'd be the person that could do that. Yeah.

Or an engineer. Right. I mean, look, I love redesigning things. And I take that to the opioid end of the fentanyl crisis. I've completely redesigned and rebuilt. We call it the doorway now and we're getting results. Mental health. It isn't about policies and funding. That's fine.

That's the easy part. It's about saying, OK, where's the barriers? Where did the system break down? What's happening at a localized level? Can I bring in new providers?

We need better rural access to care. And you put all these pieces on the table. You get stakeholder input. You redesign the system and you have the courage to do it. So when you do things like confidential documents and if your dad's chief of staff for George H. W. Bush, I don't know what the intent is, but if George H. W. Bush has to leave after four years because he lost reelection, as chief of staff, you might have to say there's got to be a system in place. Mr. President, I know you're setting up a library, but you can't take that with you. Sure. I know that, you know, I know that means a lot to you and you can't take that with you. There's no system in place clearly for almost any administration. It's shocking.

It's stunning. Where's the archives? Where's the archives?

Exactly right. And I might be wrong in this, but it's my understanding that a former president always has the ability to go back to the archives to look at his documents, right? So you could give every day in the archives and even the classified ones, you can still go back and look at them and have access to them. So it's not like they, once you, if you don't have them in your office, I love that Joe Biden like didn't even clearly know he had an office somewhere.

So as you know, there's at least 10 documents of the highest security clearance. They were involved around Ukraine. What else is new to Iran? You know, the Iranian deal and the UK.

Number one, our allies are a little dicey about us. Can we tell America anything and feel like this intelligence is going to be secure in light of WikiLeaks? Remember the communications that were exposed. So having said that, the president, and I find this interesting, I was alerted by a CBS alert about these documents, number one. Number two is he had people shout questions to him for the last three days, non-Fox reporters, what about these documents with the president? And the first question, he'd only give one, was about the documents. So listen to his answer on how he got these documents.

Cut eight. But I don't know what's in the documents. I've, my lawyers have not suggested I ask what documents they were. I've turned over the boxes. They've turned over the boxes to the archives and we're cooperating fully, cooperating fully with the review and which I hope will be finished soon. From the Fox News Podcasts Network, I'm Ben Domenech, Fox News contributor and editor of the transom.com daily newsletter. And I'm inviting you to join a conversation every week. It's the Ben Domenech Podcast.

Subscribe and listen now by going to Fox News Podcasts.com. Okay, let me ask you that. So I have documents, but I can't even ask what my own documents, that's the, it's the dumbest answer.

And it was written, that was written down. Look, the one thing I've learned as governor, I mean, there's such a difference between the two administrations. I worked with the Trump administration very well for four years and now the Biden for a couple of years. The fundamental difference is the staff. Trump actually had staff and Pence had staff that really understood systems and processes. And you could, these, these are like a bunch of 20 something socialist young Turks that have no sense of anything. I mean, you, you see their press conferences, right?

I almost feel bad for those who have to go... Who are in Jean-Pierre. Yeah. I mean, God bless her. She says nothing of substance. Nothing of substance. And they tell her, say nothing of substance, right?

And as much as we want to, it's so easy to criticize her, but I almost feel bad for her because it's so bad. Now, what, what's the result? I think to your point, America, our allies across the country, go across the world, go, what the heck is going on there? What you, you, you're giving us nothing of substance. We can't trust you with classified documents. And so there's an erosion of public trust, especially at the federal level. Now, not just me, but I think other governors, I think, do a pretty darn good job of trying to rebuild that trust because we get stuff done. But there's clearly an erosion of trust at the federal level. So this happens. What do you think it does? And you know, I want to make sure you're not a lawyer, right?

Oh God, no. So lately, I don't think lawyers should have any position in public office, by the way, but that's just me. There goes all of Washington, if they listen to you. Now, politically, does this change at all, if you're attorney general, what you decide to do with Trump and Mar-a-Lago, even though Mar-a-Lago are a great of scale, different circumstances, but really it's about confidential documents. I think it ties their hands in terms of maybe what they want to do politically, right, to punish the former president and all that kind of stuff. But now they understand that they can't do one thing on one side and not one on the other. So then it does, it might give Trump a pass.

Yes, I would guess so. This is my quick analysis of this, but how could it not? Because it's going to look so one-sided, so overly political, as everything they do, you know, is out of Washington.

All right, just because I know you get a kick out of this. When asked, Democrats, when asked the difference and what do you think the significance of the, of the documents being found at the president's, the Biden Center of the University of Pennsylvania cut 10. DOJ is reviewing classified documents that were founded. I heard, but it's not, they didn't say he was holding on to them.

They said they found them there. Right. Do you think that poses a national security threat? No. Why not?

Because I don't think so. They were in a locked closet. They were not accessible. And that's why the appropriate process was followed. This is not Mar-a-Lago and this is not a president refusing a subpoena. I don't think it compares at all. It was negotiated in the subpoena. You're right.

Mar-a-Lago was bigger. The president's self-inflicted wound by Trump. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. I love that the Democrats are like, but it's a locked box. It's in the locked box. Oh, there was a lock in the closet at the University of Pennsylvania. The ones in Biden's office were in green folders and Trump's were in red folders. Exactly.

So it's a completely different situation. So when you were watching that melee last week for the House speakership, were you saying, Governor Chris Sununu, this is why I didn't run for the Senate? This is why I didn't run?

Want to go to Washington? No one ever says, I regret not joining the circus. Right. That is not a cut. And so that was my thought. You thought it was a circus. Yeah, of course it was. Look, it went from... It was real though.

Oh, it was. This is kind of interesting. He doesn't get it on the first couple of votes to kind of a joke around votes four to five to six to, okay, now this becomes alarming. Like, is this ever going to get done? Now here's the good news. It got done. They got their rules done. They're moving forward.

I'm actually quite optimistic that they can work together, actually move the ball forward. But I hope everyone understands very little is going to get done out of Congress unless they're willing in some way to, again, find their ability to negotiate. They're going to have to get some Democrats on board with some things.

Two things I was encouraged about. Number one, a bipartisan delegation went down to the border right away. And, you know, obviously it's not an election season. And it was bipartisan.

Yeah. Senator Kelly, Senator Coons, Senator Murphy, at least three off the top of my head, I saw that. So why would you go to the border after the president won if you didn't want to see it? You don't have to. So it might be announced as sincerity there, fingers crossed, but you look at me as I'm naive.

No, I think that's real. Number two is when Mike Gallagher was assigned to the special China select committee, they said, I don't have any democratic interests. Well, yesterday was different.

He got a lot. I only think he got 365 votes for a bipartisan China select committee, which means there'll be a democratic presence on it. I hope we can identify the common enemy politically, intellectually, militarily. It is China. And look, that's a good sign.

I go back to what I said before. With Democrats, you don't have to give a ton to get a lot out of them. And you can always find a couple that have direct interests, whether it's being tough on China.

And I'm a big China hawk. I think we need to be very, very tough. I think Xi Jinping has, at least behind closed doors, have said things that I don't think people appreciate how anti-American, anti-Western he really is. He really, truly believes in bringing back that true, pure communist regime. And so you got to be tough on that and understand it. I think former President Trump and his administration was actually good, you know, had made some real viable steps there.

This administration has to pick it up. The fact that going down to the border, look, do I think Biden's trip to the border was completely staged? Of course it was. That's a bad staff on his part.

It is. At least he went. At least he went. I love that he's talking to Mexico. I don't know what happened there, but you're not going to solve the border crisis unless you do what the former administration did was really get Mexico as part of the solution.

You have to negotiate that. You got to secure this border. It's driving the, not just the human trafficking, but even more to the point of the fentanyl crisis. Now, again, I think the administration is a bit two steps behind in terms of what to do on the fentanyl crisis, but you got to start somewhere. So we're all seeing some little inklings of signs, but I'm a detail oriented guy.

I say no time like the now. Governor Cristina Nunez sticks around in just a moment. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show. If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

So it's my privilege to tell you that Martha McCallum has walked in to the studio. Governor Cristina Nunez is still here. We've got a few minutes at the bottom of the hour. Governor actually in person in New Hampshire. He will drive back even though he flew in. Governor, just about your political future. I watched Governor Hutchinson say he's thinking about it. Governor Hogan say he's really thinking about it.

Clearly Pompeo was clearly thinking about it. You said you're going to think about it after the election. Yeah. Good governors are thinking about it.

Ron DeSantis. So where are you at with your process? Yeah. Look, a lot of folks are talking about it and that's very flattering. I think they love the New Hampshire model. And I spend a lot of time traveling the country talking about our model. And I'm very proud of it.

And I like to brag about it. People come up and say, look, you have no sales tax. You have no income tax. You have no interest in dividends. You have no inheritance tax. But you also have the most efficient government in the country.

How do we do it? And can it be translated on a national level? Absolutely it can. And so more important to the model, if you talk about the politics, is we were just talking to Martha a little bit about the idea that I think the Republicans are still missing an opportunity and a need to talk to independents, a need to talk to the next generation of voters. Without them you can't win without Democrats and independents.

You can. And so we seem to be only focused on the next election. I'm focused on the Republican Party 10 years from now. I want that 20-something that hasn't been spoken to, hasn't been influenced and inspired by Republicans, where we've just kind of ignored it.

That's where I want to go after it. Not for my own benefit, but for the party's benefit. And I think we're missing that opportunity.

But Martha, the whole thing is you cover this. You don't win a primary by being moderate or going after the moderate Democrats or independents, right? Yeah, well, that's the problem. I mean, one of the things that was created during 2015 and 2016 is a 30 plus percent group that was very devoted to former President Trump. And so now every politician has to face the question of whether or not the way that you are presenting yourself is going to alienate that group. So if you're reaching over to these independents, are you going to alienate that other group? And how do you make up the difference in order to come out with a winning majority?

Yeah. And the answer is, look, you don't change. I'm a conservative. You know, I'm not changing my fundamentals or my principles. I'm just trying to be really good at selling our message. You know, this is the other problem with Republicans, which it's my team.

I love my team. But we advertise. Advertise? No, the Democrats are influencing. And there's a real difference. They're influencing the next generation of voter to become Democrats. And we have to have that same strategy. How do you do the difference?

What's the difference? So this is how you win them. Younger voters are not being told by Democrats that they have a voice. Right. They're saying the government will fix your problems. And they're buying into it because the other side isn't saying anything. I believe that as people that believe in individual responsibility and freedom and local control, those are our conservative principles.

That's what people want. They want to know that they have a voice and they can influence the change at a localized level. It isn't just big government authoritarianism. Someone in Washington or the governor is going to tell me what to do and how to live.

I'm going to do it. And you empower them. But you empower them with those conservative principles. So I'm not talking to independents to talk to their issues per se. I'm talking to independents to sell our product because we got a great product on the conservative side.

We're just really bad at selling it. Martha, is it possible, though, to do that and win the primaries when the most conservative person usually wins? Well, I'm just thinking about where most of these people are in the age group that you're talking about are getting their frame of reference. And it's at college. And that is a problem because we're not educating college students. And I'm a big proponent. You know, if you're going to be a political science major and maybe if you're going to be any major, you should have to take a course in college that is liberalism versus conservatism. And no matter what your political background is, you should have to, like a debate society, take up the other side's perspective because we just have to graduate people who understand the differences. When we come back, we'll build on this conversation. Also, you're feeling on how the Democrats are blowing up New Hampshire and the opportunity to take that state. The inside story when we come back with Martha McCallum and this other guy, Kristi Nunez.

Radio that makes you think this is the Brian Kilmeade show. In fact, I think this is going to be a slow moving race and not a quickly moving one. I think what Donald Trump did by declaring really early was give anybody else who's considering it a pass to wait and see how things go. And so I don't think it's going to be very quickly moving. And I also don't think it's going to be a very large field. I don't think it's gonna be more than seven or eight people max. And so all that's going to take time to develop. I wouldn't expect a field to fully develop until the end of June because the RNC has said the first debates are going to be in July in Milwaukee.

And I don't think anybody's going to feel any compulsion. Well, in July, by the way, I didn't know we were subscribing. The Republicans were subscribing to the debate club, whatever that is. Governor Chris Sununu is here. Are you part of the debate club, Brian? The federal debates. What do they call it? The commission.

Yeah, the commission. Sorry about that. I lost the word, but I thought that that Ronald McDaniel said, no, we're not in that. We're out. Yeah, no, I think there's there's some decision making still to come on all of that and what the format would be and all of it. Right. And who the who the moderator is going to be. Governor Chris Sununu here, Martha McCallum. I'll moderate it. Yeah. I think the governor would be a great moderator for a debate.

Well, if you were I don't know if you decide not to run. But what do you think about his assessment of June where everything takes you? I think he's just about right on that. I think there'll be a few more than eight or I think they'll be more like 10 or 11. But the difference is I think a lot of those will be out even before New Hampshire. Right. They'll get in.

I don't care who gets in, but there will be a winnowing of that field well before the first in the nation primary. Which is? January or January. Yeah.

Which brings us to the bigger question. So Joe Biden decides his Democratic Party will not make the Iowa caucus the first event and New Hampshire the first primary. Do you think that's going to stick? Oh, hell no. Are you kidding?

You can come and try to take it, Joe. But we ain't going anywhere. New Hampshire will be. But if the Democrats don't show up, they don't.

So here's the amazing dynamic. First, South Carolina is a terrible place to put a primary because they get about 15 percent voter turnout. Like, New Hampshire sets records on it. In 2020, think about this, President Trump didn't even have a primary. The elitist powers that be basically said, well, Trump's our nominee, right?

No one's challenging him. No primary in South Carolina. And they're going to do that again for the Democrats. So what Biden has effectively done is said, we're going to move the first in the nation primary from New Hampshire to South Carolina. And by the way, they're probably not even going to hold a primary for me.

So what happens? It means anyone who wants to challenge Biden and there will be more than a few, they're coming to New Hampshire and we're going to have our voting first. Whether they seat the delegates or not, we don't care. The press will be there. The excitement will be there.

The energy will be there. The Republicans will be there. And the Democrats who want to challenge Biden will be there and be given an open lane to do so. It's going to be a wild dynamic.

I think that's fascinating. You know, I think that President Biden would like to rewrite the calendar to where he wishes that it was in 2020, right? If he had started in South Carolina, he wouldn't have had those horrible experiences in Iowa. Horrible loss in New Hampshire. He left New Hampshire before the results. Four o'clock he was on a plane. You know, it's like, I remember people texting me, you know, Biden just, he just left, just got on a plane and left.

Didn't say thank you, nothing. Yeah. He doesn't care where he came in. He knows it's like fifth or sixth at this point.

So he's moving on to South Carolina, which is of course where things started to turn around for him. So I think it's interesting. I think there should be pressure on Iowa, honestly, after what happened when we were out there covering it. And, you know, we had signals from people we were talking to the night before, well, we have a new computer, iPhone system for how we're going to handle the caucuses. And we're honestly, frankly, a little bit concerned about that.

That's off the record. You know, I mean, it was, you could tell that thing was unraveling and nobody was in charge. So, I mean, I think they should have to face some questions about whether or not they deserve to have that process. New Hampshire has always worked well. And I think, so you say you think there's going to be a lot of people who run against Biden.

Who do you put in that group? Look, I, there's no doubt Pete Buttigieg is just thinking about it and he would do well. Can you imagine a sitting secretary running against the president? Once one does, the floodgates open up, right?

It's first through the door and then it really does open it up at some point. Look, I say this, but I really, what the joke is, what are the Democrat elites say behind Joe Biden's back in Washington? Well, exactly what they said to his face on the primary stage that he was an old out of touch white guy that didn't represent the future of this progressive party.

And she became vice president. Yeah, there you go. And so you think they're just going to sit around and let them walk into another term? No way. They're not going to stand for that.

They're going to find some way to drive them out. You know, Martha, you would know better than me, but they say the machine and officially you with your dad's chief of staff for George H.W., once the machine gets behind you, if the machine was even behind Kamala Harris, it's hard to get in front of that. And even, you know, to be the, you could be Pat Buchanan going against the machine, whatever you want, but you're going to make noise, but you're not going to, you're not going to win. So is there something to the White House machine that Biden has that's going to make it impossible for even a Gavin Newsom to? Well, you guys tell me, but I don't think it's the only Democrat machine, right? There's multiple Democrat machines. There's the AOC machine. There's the White House Joe Biden machine.

There's the everybody else. I think there's a lot of pieces to play. Let's really think about these first four states, Iowa, which they've proven was an absolute epic disaster in 2020 on the Democrat side. They still don't. I think it took literally a month and a half to figure out who won. New Hampshire, they got it right. But now they're saying they're not going to play in New Hampshire. South Carolina, where they're going to pre-pick Joe Biden. Then Nevada, I think they're still counting votes in Nevada from from the right. So the first four states for Democrats could potentially be absolute disasters, which allows that big open door for a challenger. So don't forget, just quickly, when you talk about the different machines, the Obama machine didn't want Joe Biden to run the first time.

They tried really hard. They were saying, you know, that he was Mr. Magoo wandering around the debate stage and saying, you know, you can always count on Joe to F it up. So my guess is that they are not going to be enthusiastic about another run for him. And he, by all reporting, has something to prove to those folks. He's still angry at them and wants another term.

Yeah, on pure performance, I think he might be misreading. Like you, I believe fundamentally, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but that abortion issue really stopped the red wave and it was not. OK, so if you believe that the president doesn't, the president believes that he's doing a lot better than everyone tells him and had proven the pudding was because he kept the Senate and had a small one, just barely lost the House. So that's why I believe that he sees no reason for him not to run.

So quick question. The common thought is you would have run for Senate and Governor Ducey would have run for Senate if it wasn't for Trump not fully backing you. What? No, no, that had nothing to do with it. That, you know, was going to run against you, was against you running.

Was that anything to do with it? Oh, goodness, no, no. Look, I talked to former President Trump about three months ago to help me to help us get behind another Senate candidate. No, no, that was look if I had nothing to do with it.

Zero. Oh, no, no, not at all. No, everybody wanted me to run. There's no doubt about that. But that's that's not my skill set.

I can defend New Hampshire and protect and create opportunities for New Hampshire a thousand times more, a thousand times a day, frankly, compared to what the U.S. Senate does. It's it's just I'll be very super polite and say it's just not for me. But yeah, you should probably fire all of them. But I mean, I just think it's a clown show down there. I do. I do.

And I don't mean to be rude about it. But look, my constituents can meet me every day anywhere in the grocery store, in my neighborhood, whatever it is. Right. And they demand and there's accountability. And I have to live up to that. But somehow the Senate gets away with it.

Right. And they get their six year terms and it's all about money and the political headlines and all that. But I got to do my job.

And I just I demand if you're on the school board, you do the job or the governor or the president or a U.S. senator. And I don't see it happening, not from either side of the aisle. It's frustrating.

Are you frustrated? Because you know the conventional wisdom is that bad candidates were chosen because Donald Trump picked some people they couldn't win. No, I don't think Trump had anything to do with it. And kept Sununu out and kept Ducey out.

Oh, no, no. I don't think that had anything to do with it. But separate from that, if you had run, if Doug Ducey had run in Arizona, if McCormick had been the nominee in Pennsylvania, do you believe there would be a Republican majority right now? Well, I think I would have won. I think Doug would have won. I think Phil Scott in Vermont would have won if he chose to run. Let's not forget Phil. I think actually Larry.

Larry Hogan could have run for the U.S. Senate and won if he wanted to. And not McCormick in Pennsylvania? I don't know. That was tough. That was a tough one. I don't know. I don't know enough about that one. But yes.

What you just painted is a majority. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. So the fact that Trump's in won't affect you, your decision? No, I mean, I can't speak for other people, but I'm just telling you, no, no. But for you?

No, it doesn't affect me at all. Does your dad want you to run? For what? President. Oh, dear Lord. No, you know what my dad wants? My dad and I are pretty obsessive about New Hampshire. And if our model in New Hampshire can be brought to the rest of the country, whether it's as a candidate, as president, as someone who's just trying to have a national voice in terms of what success can look like from a public service standpoint, there's a lot of paths to that.

So my dad wants me and my family to do what's best for me and my family in the state of New Hampshire. And I don't know what that is yet. I really don't. But we don't have to, as Chris Christie said, he's right. No one has to really decide right now.

I'll be traveling the country, talking to a lot of people, hopefully getting them excited and inspired. The other issue I have with the party, because I'm about branding and messaging, and I just think we have such a cool product, but we're terrible at selling it, is, again, we're not inspiring. We're not positive. We cannot be the party that says, well, we're not Democrats. And I just hear that too much. We're so much better than that. We have a better product than saying I'm not the crappy product, right? We've got all of this individual liberties and freedoms and low taxes and local control, all these bases that all of us from the most conservative to the most moderate Republicans can galvanize behind. Let's talk about those things, inspire and get people excited about getting more involved in public service, more involved to vote Republican, more involved to kind of grow up in that idea that America is great. America has forgotten how awesome we are. And I just think Republicans have the opportunity to let that shine. And Martha, you don't.

I disagree. No, you know what I'm thinking as you're talking, though, I'm thinking about the extension of the student loan program. I'm thinking about all of the benefits that came through COVID that made, you know, incentivize people to stay home for a really long time.

I see a workforce that has gotten complacent and people who like getting the handouts. I was talking to a young woman the other day who said, you know, she's very savvy. And she said, you know, why would I pay my student loan off?

They keep she said, I keep logging on to the website and they keep telling me that I have another nine months now. She's like, I'm going to put that money that I saved to pay it back into two year treasuries and I'll get a little bit of a return on it. And then when the government tells me I have to pay it back, then I'll pay it back. But they're they're working very hard in Washington right now to make people more reliant on the government. And and sadly, based on the midterms, I would say people seem to like it.

Well, I'm going to be then why am I so popular? Right. I only cut taxes. We minimize the handouts and all that New Hampshire. We have a very small and efficient government. But the Republican governor, if I may, is you know, I'm quite popular in a state with a lot of Democrats.

It's not just I would just disagree. It's not all about the handouts. And I just think that we can actually overcome that with better messaging, better influence, more positivity. You know, this idea that they pass this one point seven trillion dollar. I mean, that was handouts, all of those earmarks and all that. And I think you need to ban earmarks out of Washington. But the idea that those politicians can get elected easier because they're giving those handouts, I don't buy it. I think very few folks say, well, that organization there got a lot of money from Congressman so-and-so. So therefore, I'll vote for Congressman so-and-so, at least in New Hampshire.

I can tell you, it doesn't work like that. You better show up. The relief of student loans polled extremely well. And that, combined with the abortion decision, I think is why we saw those surprises on the lines of, you know, 18 to 24 when we were looking at who they're voting for. I think that was powerful with that group. What's interesting is that I thought it would be countered by the 35-year-olds who just paid off their loans, who are angry about that.

That's what I thought. But we don't put those folks on TV enough. We don't put those, you know, we don't put, if I may, a farmer that is out in the Midwest that now has to pay for the lawyer's degree in New York City. Put that on television. Show that frustration. Well, we do a lot of diners on Fox and Friends. You have to tell us.

We talk about it a lot. Right. Hey, listen, Martha's going to stick around and give us an exclusive look at who's going to be on her show at three o'clock today Eastern Time. And Governor, if you promise to take Martha's information and spread it all to everyone in New Hampshire, make sure your whole state watches. I shall sprinkle a little bit of a mandate everywhere. That's all.

Back in a moment. Newsmakers and news breakers. Hear it first on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

Hey, welcome back, everybody. A few more minutes here with Governor Chris Sununu and the great Martha McCallum. Now, Governor, you had a question about who was on Martha's show.

Do you want to ask her directly? It's this burning question. At three o'clock today. At three o'clock, because I'll be tuning in. Thank you for asking, Governor.

I just want to prepare myself. Exactly. Well, I saw you on earlier today and on Brian's show. We have a little bit of a, yeah, we, sorry. Lindsey Graham's on. Lindsey Graham's on today.

You were not on our show. He was with Hammer. That's right.

I know. Earlier today. Yes.

On that great show with Dana and Bill, which was awesome. So we're going to, we're going to talk about this airline thing. To me, at this point, the biggest question is what happened, right?

We haven't had a ground stop across this nation since 9-11. So obviously this was a very serious issue. And so we're going to dig into that with, I assume someone just like kicked the plug out and they couldn't find what I was doing. I pray it wasn't that simple. Control, alt, delete. And they're like, hey, wait, it works.

Control, alt, delete. Why didn't someone tell me this before? We're also going to talk about, um, the classified documents that were found and sort of what we're learning now that they related to Iran and to Ukraine. And my whole thing with this is just, you know, either you're allowed to take classified documents or you're not.

I don't care whether it's 150 or 10, but there should be an equal punishment if you break this rule. The problem is that people have been, you know, stuffing them in their socks and bringing them home to their night table for, for decades and decades. And nobody takes it seriously. So, so what I thought the funniest explanation that I left out loud and then I found that there's not even a legal basis for it is when he was asked, my lawyers have told me not to ask what's in the documents I took.

So that's basically not to ask, what does that mean? Because obviously one of the answers is if he actually was working on his own book, it would make sense. Some of the pivotal moments, I don't know.

Uh, I don't think there's really the UK, but I know Iran, the Iranian deal makes sense. The Ukrainian deal, my goodness with his sons and Burisma and firing that judge. I mean, these are some of the things that he might want to refresh his memory. I love that it took two years. This was sitting in an office. No, actually not two years. Technically he was sitting in his office for six years, right?

Well, 2017. Why doesn't the secret service oversee the removal of all documents from the White House and vice president's office? You know, like when you're taking stuff out, I realize it's a chaotic time, but you know, they, you should assign, I don't know, six, seven people to go through the documents.

You can't take anything that's got a classification mark on it. If you want to write a book, you can check in at the, you know, library of Congress. We'll put you in a room or a skiff or whatever. You can use them for however many hours you need. And then when you're done, they have to go back. I mean, it's not that hard. Why would you want to carry that stuff around? I hate moving.

I hate moving stuff. Do you guys remember the boxes that Trump took out? You know what they were?

At one o'clock in the afternoon, they're sitting there with a bunch of 20 year olds, look like interns. They were loading them out to the helicopter. There's no secret. They were in cardboard boxes.

There's no rules. Well, it was a bit of a chaotic period, if you remember. And I think they might have taken advantage of that to load up the, load up the helicopter.

It just seemed like his coffee mugs and his pictures were in the boxes. Right. So did you know the governor has an engineering background, civil engineering background? Yes, I did know that. Right. I should have, I should have remembered that because we discussed it. I remember as I think about it again, but. MIT.

He's no dummy. Right. Okay.

Sorry. Did you go to MIT? I did go to MIT.

Right. I didn't like the campus. I saw Brian there. We're not good campus life.

Nobody went out. But what I was saying is, as we go out, the president of the United States is looking at two major things, the Georgia investigation, and he's looking at the investigation over these documents to come out. If he was to, if he was to beat this, both of them will look like a win. And then pure politics in New York, I don't know if you follow this, it's pure politics. They're just going after a businessman they used to laud.

Now they want to go find something. They put a 76 year old CFO in Rikers Island, which is crazy. Is Trump harder to beat if he beats these two things? And if he doesn't beat these two things, does it hurt him? I don't think it matters. Really? I think America is tuning out on a lot of it, right? Look, these guys went through the January 6th hearings. Let's take January 6th, which I think is a much bigger issue and more concerning in a variety of different ways. They actually recommend criminal charges against a former president. It barely got a headline.

It really did. So when they're going after Trump for this or a win there, it's getting to be noise for people, whether it's the January 6th or the files or the Biden files or the laptop and all that. Some of this is really serious stuff, but unfortunately we've become so desensitized as Americans. I don't think people are paying attention. Because no one ever sees anyone held accountable for any of it. So they're like, why should I care? Congress can't indict Donald Trump.

So who cares if they bring a criminal charge? People are so disgusted with the fact that nothing gets done, which is why this governor didn't want to be in the Senate. Thanks, Martha. Thanks, Governor. This is fun, man. Thanks, Brian.