Producers’ Pick | Wilfred Reilly: Black Homicide Rate SOARS During BLM Movement

The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade. The scales right now, it's tipped very heavily in favor of the reforms of the progressive left.

Well intended, some needed, but it's tipped too far. And what we have as a result is this growing fear of crime, this growing actual amount of crime as evidenced in almost every major American city. And most of the victims of crime since the 2020 rise of Black Lives Matter when it really took root or took off, have been blacks.

So as we defund the police and defame the police, they're the ones paying the biggest price. That fact did not elude Professor Wilfred Riley, an associate professor of political science at Kentucky State University, author of books, Taboo, 10 Facts You Can't Talk About, and Hate Crime Hoax. He's also got a great podcast. Professor Riley, welcome back.

Always good to be on the show. So do you agree with Bratton? Yeah, I mean, so we're now kind of seeing the cost of the quote unquote racial reckoning.

And although I lean right, I'm not really political about this. This is this is a national tragedy. But I mean, last year, so in 2014, there were about six thousand black homicides per year after the Ferguson riots and the quote unquote Ferguson effect. That jumped to close to eight thousand, a little under eight thousand. And last year we had nine thousand nine hundred recorded black murders, black fatal homicides. So we've seen the black homicide rate during the Black Lives Matter era jump about 63 percent. And if you talk to Leo's law enforcement officers like the former Chief Bratton, they'll they'll say that's really directly traceable to police pullback. You can look at the number of stops that the police make in a typical year. And that tracks really, really closely with the crime rate. So to some extent, the protesters got what they wanted.

Right. The request was that the police pull back, respect black neighborhoods, respect black spaces, you know, go go lighter as read the enforcement of certain laws. And we saw the obvious as a result. When the cops stop policing, you have more crime.

And that's where we're at right now. When you look at the Black Lives Matter and the whole push there, I was shocked to hear the new mayor of New York say this after a particular night of death and destruction in Brooklyn and the Bronx. I think here is a here's Eric Adams talking about BLM. I thought Black Lives Matter. Where are all those who stated Black Lives Matter?

When are we going to start asking these serious questions? If Black Lives Matters, then the thousands of people I saw on the street. When Floyd was murdered, should be on the street right now, stating that the lives of these black children that are dying every night matters. It can't be hypocrites.

Wow. I mean, that gives you hope this mayor as a black mayor who was very critical of the police when he was on the police force to say that. Where do you think that comes from? Well, he said some wacky and mildly racist stuff, and he's griped about being a vegetarian. And so I kind of like Eric Adams.

We just get caught in his day. I think Adams is saying the absolutely obvious. I think that a more conservative mayor who said it with a bit less BSing time first might make even more of an impact on crime in that city. But the whole Black Lives Matter movement, racial reckoning movement, to some large extent was based on lives.

And we need to understand that. The original focus was this Ben Crump idea of open season, legalized genocide of colored people. Mr. Crump, if I have that correct, was literally Trayvon Martin's lawyer. It's the argument that the cops are murdering, what they say, hundreds, thousands of unarmed black men every year. It turns out that when myself, Heather McDonald, your news network, other people started digging into this, the total number of unarmed black men, unprovokedly, that are shot by the police in a typical year is about 10.

Probably a bit fewer, actually, if you add in unprovokedly, totally unarmed. And in response, we saw this national movement where these very non-typical, these very unique and unfortunate cases, the George Floyd case where there was horrible policing, but the guy may also have had an overdose. These were taken and shoved into the national spotlight and presented as normal. And the police pulled back by 20%, 30% at a bunch of cities.

And the result absolutely was what we just described. So when Adam says, in a day, there were 30 or 40 people shot and two-thirds or three-fourths of them are black, we're seeing that in most major cities, all adjusted for population size, but we're seeing that in Chicago and Louisville and Cincinnati and the cities near me. So if you truly think that black lives matter, yeah, the same people, the same strong young men that were out in the streets protesting logically should be out in the streets defending their neighborhoods against gang members and criminals and strong armed robbers.

But I frankly think we'll be waiting a good long time before we see that. And that's why you need police doing it. So the thing is, there's so many people, I would put myself in that category, they want to help out. There's situations in the inner city where kids are born in maybe a single-parent household where they have armed welfare, where they're attached to social programs, maybe don't have that role model to understand how to make it in this very competitive world, maybe and have school systems. They got plenty of money, but they fail them because they don't pay the teachers enough, whatever the situation is.

I'd love to start helping. But when you see Black Lives Matter, get this type of money, and then you find out that they're buying mansions rather than helping rebuild cities or putting boys and girls clubs and mentorship programs in Chicago and in Charlotte and in San Francisco and Los Angeles, it drives you crazy. It forces people just to stay away, Professor.

Yeah. So I think the first line there is actually very important. Most people want to help out. There can be miscommunication between whites and blacks and for that matter between men and women, northers and southerners, Hispanic immigrants and native-born Americans, so on down the line. But most people actually in this country, which is a good country, aren't bigoted haters. The huge majority of people, and this is a major mistake Black Lives Matter made, is making police violence even all about black people and presenting the average white person as sort of this distant, prejudiced person who doesn't care.

The average Italian-American ex-athlete in New York City or Long Island would really, really like to help. But basically the point is, yeah, the initial hostility of the movement here and also these sort of perceptions of corruption. I mean, I wrote an article about this for Spiked online.

I talk about it in my book, Taboo. But Black Lives Matter received something like $11 million from mostly well-intentioned donors. This is all the Black Lives Matter organizations. Black Lives Matter Global Foundation, BLMNGF, alone got $90 million within one year. And if you actually track where that money was spent, I mean, it's easy to go through the houses and so on, but almost $30 million was given to groups that don't really have a lot to do with the inner city. For the Guorals, for example, the Transgender Travel Group was one of the groups that Patrice Calors favored with a six-figure gift. So yeah, I think a lot of people, ideally there would be a movement we could all join together, a la the old civil rights movement to genuinely help the poor.

I don't think BLM ever was that. From the Fox News Podcast Network. I'm Janestine, Fox News Senior Meteorologist. Be sure to subscribe to the Janestine Podcast at FoxNewsPodcast.com or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

And don't forget to spread the sunshine. Professor Wilford Reilly with the Associate Professor of Political Science, Kentucky State University. I want you to hear, so now people like the IRS are saying, wait a second, you have all this money. You don't really fire tax returns and you're buying mansions. So now people are asking her for some paperwork.

She doesn't run Black Lives Matter anymore. I don't think anybody actually does. Here's what she said. I actually did not know what 990s were before all of this happened.

The accountant handled that. Like, I don't know what that is. It is such a trip now to hear the word that the term 990s, I'm like, it's like the triggering. It's triggering? Really?

Everyone did. The whole country's been triggered in April. I don't know. It's tax month. So I think one of the things that's almost funny when you debate the modern hard left is that they only have one argument like they've learned the same dance steps really, really well. So if you listen to that full collores clip, she says that she's triggered by the difficulties of working in the tax system. At another point, she says it's racist. This must be designed to take a lot of money from, I guess, black small businessmen, white small businessmen, of course, don't pay taxes. We all know that.

You know, there's another point where she says, and I'm kidding, but there's another point where she says, I feel unsafe looking at these sort of complex forms. This is all just BS. I mean, as you pointed out, I think on the five, almost any accountant in the country would have been glad to work for free with Black Lives Matter to make sure that everything was paid up properly. There was no continuation of the racial crisis, so on. They just didn't do that. And if you actually don't just want to throw darts here, but if you actually look at the operation of BLM NGF as a charity, there have been massive problems. I mean, collores resigned, as I recall, in late 2020.

If not, it was 2021. And planned to turn the brand, the 501C3, over to kind of her second and third ranking people. But they basically said no, they never assumed those roles. So for a long time, there was no one in the group in the fiduciary spot.

It's just remarkable stuff. And there really, there is a soft bigotry of low expectations, where you and I, I assume, are both charitable givers, want to help poor black Americans, poor white Americans, whatever. But where it is hard to take this seriously, it's really unfortunate this is what ended up happening with this movement. But that gets back to the movement itself being founded around this false issue. It wasn't founded on the idea of helping the poor across the color line. It was founded on the idea that there's a race war targeting black people led by the police. And that was never really true.

That was the problem all along. That was brilliant because you talk to the police, they go, really? It's my fault because of George Floyd, my Long Island cop friends, it's their fault? The ones that are working for 40? You come out of the academy, do you know how much you make?

$38,000 a year. And do you ever, they want to start a personal rule, you got to live in New York City. So that's, you become a policeman, not for the money, not for the glory, and now you find out you're the problem.

A lot of people are just in our country, we're just walking away from this and saying, I'm not doing law enforcement anymore. And that's kind of where we're at, where we're at. You know, I'm in Detroit. And I went to the Henry Ford American Museum of Innovation. And in there is the Rosa Parks bus. In there are these great speeches by Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, and they're rolling. And in there is an actual water fountain that says, whites only, blacks only.

And there's a actual bathroom that says, colors only, whites only. I mean, people see that, like me, and listening right now, white people or non African Americans, and are horrified. And we want to fix these things. And we go through it, we study it. I went through a mostly white working class community, grew up, we never ducked this.

We had semesters just on civil rights and what LBJ did and what has to still be done, never ducked it. So of course, we could always improve on it. Having said that, we look at that, and we can't pretend that was yesterday. We can not much the progress, want to get better. And my question to you in the big picture is, how do we grow and say, look how far we've come, look how bad it was, and do it in a positive way? Is it possible?

Yeah, of course, it's possible. I mean, I think that what you're saying, and again, I grew up in a working class integrated community. I was born on the south side of Chicago, where you had African Americans, Mexican Americans, Italians, Irishmen.

I moved to the east side of Aurora, many Eastern European immigrants as well, hardworking people. And I think that most Americans have a perspective pretty similar to mine or yours. I mean, most people at this point, 2022, think racism was bad.

Percent of people wouldn't consider it interracial marriage, like 4%. I think most people also go a step further and recognize the legacy of the past. There are more poor people on say, an Indian reservation because of past abuse, even if rights are equal now, and we want to fix that. The problem is that what you could call critical race theory, my buddy, Chris Rufo has done obviously a lot of good work on this.

And I think the term is useful. But that doesn't provide a solution. That's not the civil rights movement. It's kind of the exact reverse face of everyone working together. So the whole CRT argument basically is that every gap in society now, this is Ibram Kendi word for word, is due to some new, hidden, subtle form of racism. So it's not enough just to work to help the poor. If a white guy works to help the poor, they're probably doing that for some crooked, manipulative reason. What you need to do is bring in these paid minority experts and consultants to lead.

And down that path, I don't think there lies anything. Racism is what it always was. It's disliking people genetically or ethnically.

How can you stop it? You punish it in society. What do you do if people don't have a lot of money?

You help them out, or more importantly, you teach them a skill. And I think as people come forward offering that, as a group, FAIR, Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism does a good job, 1776 United, I think it's these normal groups of middle-class citizens offer an actual alternative where they say, look, we've got blacks and whites here, Hispanics with jobs, we're working together. I think most people are going to latch onto that as opposed to sort of this endless wail.

Right, like what we got from Disney. You know, and a lot of people just writing checks and like what happened in Atlanta, excuse me, in Georgia during the election. Okay, we're a racist country and we're trying to black out, stop black people from voting in Georgia, so let's move the all-star game. You know, so we're seeing a lot of this, especially at the corporate level now, so and a lot of people just throw up their hands and say, okay, I'm going to keep my mouth shut. I'm going to hang out with people that understand that I'm not a racist and I'm going to just stay out of the fray. But with this political environment, 24-hour news, it's impossible.

Final thought, professor? Yeah, I think that what you just said is unfortunate and it's a sign of kind of, corporate laziness is the main thing you're talking about where, yeah, we do have some problems in this country that require us to work hard and clean up the residue of the past. Not many, still some people want to do that, but it's very easy just to look at the loudest voices, assume they represent minority communities or whatever and write them a big check, but they don't.

Almost no one on the ground in the black community or for that matter, a poor white one in Long Island wants the cops gone, nobody. So you need to actually talk to people from those areas. We need to actually work together. It's harder, but like most hard work, that's how you get results.

I hear you. Always educational to talk to you, Professor Wilford Reilly. Pick up his book, Taboo, 10 Facts You Can't Talk About and Hate Crime Hoax. Thanks, professor. Thanks a lot, Brad. From the Fox News Podcasts Network, subscribe and listen to the Trey Gowdy Podcast. Former federal prosecutor and four-term U.S. Congressman from South Carolina brings you a one-of-a-kind podcast. Subscribe and listen now by going to FoxNewsPodcasts.com.