Uvalde Police Face Sharp Criticism Over Delayed Response to School Shooter

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If you look at Lavaldi, what happened at that elementary school over in Texas, still trying to piece it together. That'll be the focus of a lot of this show. Jack Carr is the number one New York Times best-selling author and a Navy SEAL. His latest book is called In the Blood, a Thriller. It's his fifth.

And that's going to be great.

Meanwhile, Lieutenant Colonel Alvin North is standing by to bring some perspective, not only what's happening here domestically, but other things that are happening, for example, in the Ukraine. He's been about on every war zone, really, since Vietnam, that America has been involved with.

So let's get to the big three.

Now with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. What we now have is a very clear pattern in both the Steele dossier and the Alphabank scandal. Both of them originated with the Clinton campaign. When it went over to the FBI, apparently, according to this agent, James Comey and the rest of the FBI were chomping at the bid.

What does that mean for the overall case? The Durham trial wraps up today. Defendant Michael Sussman decides not to take the stand. What we know because of his trial and what are Durham's chances of conviction. Is there any justice?

Is there any chance Sussman should be the first of many to go down? It seems like a layup, but nothing is a lock with that D.C. jury. Number two. We are gonna extend a hand, a partnership.

To those who have Been sitting on the sidelines to those who have chosen to side with the gun lobby. I think there's a sense of urgency that maybe. we didn't feel before. We're going to try to work through this and see if we can find that common ground. Senator John Coorny, so this is the time to look at guns and school safety.

Bipartisan talks underway through Memorial Day. What are the chances and what should happen, if anything? I'll offer my views and get it from the Colonel, too. Number one. Multiple witnesses that I spoke with said as soon as they heard gunshots, they immediately jumped in a car, got to Rob Elementary, and that's where they were met with law enforcement.

They couldn't get into the school. Multiple parents told me that they were frustrated by law enforcement inaction and don't understand why it took so long to get to the shooter. Jorge Ventura of the Daily Caller. Yes, the Daily Caller. Funerals begin for the 19 great schoolers and two teachers who lost their lives this week.

But what I know now about the timeline and what you should know too about the killer, we will elaborate. And we've been told a lot of mistruths over the last few days. Lieutenant Colonel Alvin North has seen it all: the worst to battle, the best to battle, big wins, big losses. And he's got a new book coming out: Tragic Consequences: The Price America is Paying for Rejecting God and How to Reclaim Our Culture for Christ. You check it out on faithfultext.com.

Colonel, welcome back. Great to hear from you. Right. Great to hear. Yeah.

I caught you just a few minutes ago on T V, and here you are doing three hours of radio. No one up there working harder than you are and getting the word out straight.

Well, thanks. I'm doing our best to piece together some of the facts. And I want to talk about the big picture and also get your take because we have not spoken about Ukraine, just about this operation and why I believe it's important for us to do everything for them to be successful. I'll get to your view in a moment. But I was shocked to hear some of how much has been told to us that was wrong since the shooting in Yavaldi.

Your take from what we know.

Well, first I I I think there's a lot more incompetence and misfeasance than there is malfeasance in that. And I say that just because it's a small town. I've been through it I'll bet a half a dozen times. when I was traveling down in Texas. And I I was born in San Antonio, which is the biggest city close enough to your validity.

And it it's a little town you go through on the way to Fredericksburg to go to the museum out there. Um So, I don't think those are intentional. I think that's a lot of misinformation, not necessarily. generated by someone with intent. And so I look at what transpired in that school, and I'm drawn to several conclusions, even with what we know.

One, it took way too long to get to the shooter. Number two, There was Almost apparently no operational security. It was in place out there. Number three. Y you've got Quite frankly, an attack on an elementary school was not in the planning of anybody, apparently.

And so Yeah, it took four minutes or five minutes, whatever it was to get police on the scene. But then it took another over an hour, I guess. I'm I was looking at the timeline you guys had up this morning. And it's and it's still guessing at how many minutes it took for people to move around inside the building.

So You know Without getting into the morality, I do want to get into that as we talk about it because it's directly related to the book. And we didn't, by the way, the book was long planned to come out in May because it's it's election season officially begins with primary season. Primary season is in May, and that's why we brought the book out in May. had nothing to do with the expectation that we were gonna have three mass murderers. you know, wild gunmen in the space of eleven days.

But if I look at the mechanics of what you got to do, what we're not doing, and I'm not bragging or complaining, when I was president of the NRA, we had a program called School Shield. It was based on military theory of how you protect things.

Okay? And it's a defense in depth. and basically has four parts. First of all, you got to decide what your defensive zone is, if you're protecting a seaport or an airport or a military base. Number two.

you got to have intelligence gathered about what the threat really is. Number three, you've got to be able to intercept the threat between where the threat's coming from and trying to get to. And number four, You've got to have point defense. The kind of protection is it That means somebody's got a a firearm out of their holster or at the on their shoulder. Engaging the adversary.

Those are four things that are fairly complex. If you don't know what you're doing. We were doing actually running the program, it started in 2012, even before I became president of the NRA. And I would like to see it still being advocated. I don't know that it is.

I got fired over there. That's a different issue. And at the bottom line of it, those kinds of techniques will protect a place. You just gotta decide. politically, whether you're going to allocate the resources necessary, and most of it's money.

The fact is, if you're going to harden a school to protect the kids inside it and the teachers, then you're going to have to do things like lock the doors. You've got to have abilities the ability to electronically shut things down. You got to have the ability to have the cops be able to open a door if the bad guy's inside killing kids like this guy was. All those kinds of things have to be taken into consideration, and you need experts at it. A lot of people don't even know this, but the Secret Service working with the Department of Education.

Way back in, I think it was 2002 or 3, put together an actual operational plan. for how you go about protecting kids in school. Nobody's paying attention to it. that we've got hundreds of millions billions of dollars that were allocated that haven't been spent yet from the COVID stuff.

Some of it was supposed to go through for K through twelve education. I'm told there's a boatload of it.

So I suggest it very quickly is what you do is you reopen the the what was recommended either by NRA or by the Secret Service and the Department of Education. Number two, Put the money into it. Number three. In addition to arming people inside schools to protect kids. That's the point defense people.

You can't just wait for the folks to show up from town. If the cops aren't in the school, school resource officers, It's going to take too long to get there. I don't care where you are.

So they say nationally 19% of elementary schools have an armed officer, 45% of middle schools, and 67% of high schools. But I'll tell you what, you could have the most sophisticated or rudimentary. Security plan. But if this is the case, we got a problem. Here's the Texas Department of Public Safety Regional Director, Victor Escalon.

So right now, you know, during the investigation, It appears it was unlocked.

So we're going to look at that and try to cooperate that as best as we can. And you have a high school, excuse me, a grammar school with the doors unlocked. My goodness. Not only is there not an officer. But it's an unlocked school.

I don't remember last time I went to pick up anybody at school, and there wasn't one entrance in and one entrance out anywhere. Look at protect our airports, our banks. Our government buildings, the Fox News headquarters in New York has better protection than an elementary school down the street. Think about that. When we came into the building, whether I was working out of Washington or working out in New York, there's armed guards down in the in the lobby.

They don't wave their guns around, but you can't get through that lobby without the proper ID or a note from somebody saying Brian Kilmeid St. Holly North's coming in to see me. Right? How the hell is it that we've got schools that are wide open? I want to add one more thing to what I recommended.

Okay. I would recommend that if you want to be able to use role models as good examples. Human beings learn best when they are shown something rather than reading about it or watching a video. Yeah. I would like to see a program to hire, let's say pick a number, two hundred fifty thousand veterans.

who would be in schools. whether they're disabled or whether they're whatever. Would be in schools to be mentors. to be counselors. To be the kinds of people, and here we are, this is this is you know, Memorial Day we're talking about.

And I'm going to recommend this at the Heroes Festival down in Daytona when I get down there on uh on Saturday. I would like to see 250,000 veterans in the schools as mentors, counselors, coaches. And the kinds of people who are alert enough to see something that's not right and do something about it. I'm not s they don't know I'll have to be armed.

Some of them probably should be. I would like to see more of that kind of point defense capability in the school already.

Well, a couple of things, Colonel. There's one thing that's pretty clear. We have to be able to harden every target, the smallest and biggest school. And if there's ever a national program that you kind of mentioned, that there is money there, pandemic or not, that American people can get behind Republicans and Democrats, it's that. And many people point to the fact that you remember skyjacking.

And that there was skyjacking was happening like 11 a year for a long time.

Well, we decided we're going to not allow that to happen. And thankfully, it doesn't happen now. Sadly, we still have some blown out of the sky, and we saw what happened on 9-11. That's the same thing that's got to happen. There's a national sentiment to support that.

And I would love to see a hardening of that. And why not? If there's not enough retired cops, I think we're military coming out of the military, especially now as we wind down two wars, which are done. But we might have to go back in some day. Why not just make them the first hire to go into the schools, big as small, and be be capable of go through the training for this specific operation to be able two of them in every school.

Why not? At least two. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it depends on the size of the school.

And let let every killer know: if you're going to charge for a school, that's dead, that's a death sentence. Right. We put up a sign outside the school, it's a big yellow sign, it says gun-free zone. That means attack. crazies like the three that you know committed these massacres over the course of the last Was it 12 days?

It's unbelievable.

So, what makes you think, or you know, you write this book, Tragic Consequences: The Price America's Paying for Rejecting God and How to Reclaim Our Culture for Christ, and you could check it out on faithfultext.com. What do you mean America is rejecting God? We're supposed to have a separation between church and state, right? Yeah, I suppose. Yeah.

Look, it began nineteen sixty two. The case is Engel versus Vitaly. It was in upstate New York. lawsuit. Engel was the uh was the uh Person who wanted to get rid of prayer in school.

And so they did. In 1962, I was in the last high school class in America where you could actually graduate saying a prayer. Almighty God. We thank you for your support for us. We beg your blessings on us, our parents, our teachers and our entire school.

That's it's almost exactly what the prayer was. That's 62. 1973, Roe versus Wade. Roe versus Wade is more than a cultural degradation. It's a part of driving God out of the lives of the American people.

And what you got is Not just infanticide, It launched an assault on the sanctity of human life. polarize their politics. and results in threats against conservative justices. All of that is a consequence is it's driving To the tragic consequence of a nation that no longer regards God to be part of their day-to-day lives. Every time I hear someone like that congressman who wrote off to Ted Cruz and several other people using profane language, by the way, a former Marine, which is really painful.

He raised he's an Arizona congressman. I don't even want to use his name. He writes off to people using profane and and and vulgar language and talks about effing prayers.

Okay, now let me just tell you something. That's the kind of thing that's got to stop in this country. That's the kind of thing that has driven people over the brink. Today we've got people who pretend to be God. because they're multi-bazillionaires.

And God is not happy. And what this book offers is a solution. In every chapter, there's what you can do about it. I'd like to take the congressman aside and just ask him: what did you expect to happen in America when you drove God out of our schools, our public gatherings? The media, the entertainment world, what did you expect the outcome was going to be?

Because we're we're seeing it. It's much more than simply the issue the issue of a Supreme Court decision. It is the people of America who We've got to get back down look. I'm an old man.

Somebody asked me why did you write this book? I'm an old man.

I've got eighteen grandkids. I'm I'm selfish about their future. I'm I'm For the first time in my life, concerned that this nation may not survive as it is. And I wanted to leave behind something that they could look at and say, that was my granddad. He taught me.

He didn't just talk about it. He showed me how to fight the good fight, finish the race, and keep the faith. You're a great example for everybody 365 days a year, let alone people you're related to. But I'm going to close out to somebody. The NRA kind of went south.

When you went in there and tried to fix it, they didn't like that. They decided they're going to have to get rid of Oliver North, and they've gone down south ever since. Should they be having a conference in Houston today?

Well, yes, I mean, there is a membership out there. The membership needs to be supported. Those used to be wonderful extravaganzas. I understand it's much smaller than it used to be. Um Uh I think Something's got to change.

The country needs an NRA. Let's keep it that way. It needs something to support the Second Amendment and do the kinds of training and safety programs that the NRA was doing for years. The NRA also needs to be able to go go out there and raise money to to do things like School Shield. And and and the id I'm just talking about the timing of it, di uh uh Karma.

Well, it w yeah, but it was remember, you can't book a venue in America that's two weeks out. You've got to book it, you know, months out. And and the thing was booked in Houston way before. I know that, look at there's people down in Texas right now that are saying, The reason all this happened is the NRA is here. That's That's totally.

But th as you and I both know, it's more than a political issue. Colonel Alvar North, we didn't get to Ukraine, but we got to more important stuff about the future of America. It's all in your book, Tragic Consequences: The Price America is Paying for Rejecting God and How to Reclaim Our Culture for Christ. Colonel North, thanks so much. Thank you, brother.

Semper Five. Yeah, back at you, and I will hopefully see you soon. When we come back, it's your time to talk. I'll go over the timeline a little bit more on what we know. We're going to get more details within our show.

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It was reported. that a school district police officer confronted The suspect here is making entry. Not accurate. He walked in unrespected initially.

So far. To the grandmother's house, to the garden, to the school. into the school. He was not confronted by anybody. And that was the most stunning news I got out of everything.

And it's not so much the fact, it's the fact that we were told something totally different. That he was confronted, or was the shooter, the 18-year-old, by an armed guard who was able to confront him, get a shot off, and able to drop a bag full of ammo, or it could have been so much worse. It turns out to be total fiction. Who's responsible for that story and continue to tell that story for at least a day or two is nuts. I'm used to the fog of war.

One person was in, two person was in, one person had a gun. I'm used to that. But not a whole fictional confrontation at somebody's, I don't know. I guess some cop show they watched the night before. Bottom line is: 19 kids dead, two teachers, 15, 17 were actually put into hospital.

Most are expected to survive. The grandmother, who was shot in the face, also expected to survive. She has a lot of answers. She can't talk, but she can write. Hopefully, she'll start helping us out to find out how this kid got so twisted.

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It's Brian Killmead. Multiple witnesses that I spoke with said as soon as they heard gunshots, they immediately jumped in a car, got to Rob Elementary, and that's where they were met with law enforcement. They couldn't get into the school. It got to a point where a group of parents actually huddled together and were game planning to go into that school. We've also learned that.

A mother was actually placed in handcuffs from federal marshals. We also know that a father was tased, attempting to grab his kid once his kid was on the bus. Multiple parents told me that they were frustrated by law enforcement inaction and don't understand why it took so long to get to the shooter. It was about an hour. Jorge Ventura of the Daily Caller reporting that because we found out yesterday that there was no confrontation with the killer.

He got in through an open door and he was able to hang out in that classroom for an hour. But then we did get some amendments to that. For some reason, this wasn't made clear yesterday afternoon. The two officers went in, both were shot, one in the ear, one in the arm, and still hung in there for a while outside that door. Jack Carr knows all about the dangers in going into a room like that through hostile actors.

He's a former Navy SEAL. His latest book is In the Bud, a thriller. It's his fifth thriller in the Terminal List series. And Jack Carr joins us now. Welcome, Jack.

Yeah. Hey, thank you so much for having me on. Yeah, so Jack, the Border Patrol, the Border Tech, the Bordec, was the ones who took this shooter down. They waited for them to arrive because evidently these cops weren't trained to handle a situation like this. They borrowed the U.S.

Marshal Shield and they went in into a stack with a stack of four, maybe more. Do you need an expertise like the type you have and they have in order to be successful? Or is there another thing that an officer could do?

Well, it certainly helps, but it's really about that mindset. In extremist situation, you're running to the sound of the guns. And you think that most police officers have that. You think that most special operators have that in the military, especially when it's a hostage situation, which calls for going in and saving that hostage. That's what you have here.

Of course, you have a barricaded shooter. But what we have is so much data to go back and look at and understand that, hey, history is probably going to repeat itself.

So it's just a matter of time for this happens again, whether it's a shooter like this or it's terrorists. We go back to the Bessland school siege in September of 2004. That was three days where Chechen terrorists took over a school. Ended up 300, over 300 people were killed in that. And that is something that could very well happen here.

And why? Because our schools are soft targets. Our airports were soft targets. We fixed that after September 11th. We neglect to look at the pages of history, not in very recent history.

2004 wasn't. That long ago. And we refuse for some reason to harden our schools. Israel has done it. They've been very successful in doing that.

But we, for some reason, refuse to protect the softest targets among us. And it's unforgivable. Right. 19% of elementary schools have an armed guard. They say 67% of high schools have them.

What would it take for you to feel good about the school that somebody in your family was going to? How many guards would they be armed? Would teachers be armed? Yep, it all depends on the size of the school, obviously, how many students, how large a land mass that you're talking about there.

So, with those factors in mind, it's definitely armed guards with ARs, with that AR-type weapon system, because you will go to a place that is not as hard as that one if you're looking for a place to commit these crimes or commit an act of terrorism.

So, what Israel has done, that's what they have. And guess what? Their teachers, for the most part, also carry concealed. And for some reason, our teachers or our school districts, whatever it might be, they don't want to take that step. They just don't want to believe that they live in a world where that is necessary.

And I'll tell you what, for most of human history, it has been necessary to have these skills to defend yourself, to defend your family, defend your tribe. Only for a very small portion of human history have we been able to outsource these types of things and to think that we can call 911. But by its very nature, that means that the police are showing up afterward. The crime has already been committed.

So it's up to the quote-unquote victim to not be a victim, to be prepared and to protect themselves and to protect those in their care. Jack Corr with me now, former Navy SEAL, New York Times bestseller, brand new book out called In the Blood, a Thriller to continue on with this series. Just go over the timeline. 11:28, the killer arrives and crashes his truck. We don't know why.

Then he gets up and indiscriminately fires at two people at a funeral home. And by the way, his grandmother called 911 after being shot in the face by this mutant.

So then a 911 call comes in from the funeral home people, we assume. Ramos lingers outside the school for 12 minutes, firing shots before he gets into the school unobstructed. Jack, the door was open. 11:43. Um he uh he goes into Robb Elementary School and uh and he starts going looking around for people to attack.

He walks thirty feet down the tunnel. He walks another twenty feet into a classroom where he kills all nineteen kids and two teachers. The peace uh police arrive at eleven forty-four. They don't go in. To the building, we understand until 105, 1154.

The parents get so enraged they start begging police to let them go into the building to give them their armor. What do you glean from this situation? I mean, it's just so heartbreaking on so many different levels. We have a situation just a couple of years ago with Nairobi, Kenya. Christian Craighead, he's off duty.

Well, not off duty. I mean, he's a part of the SAS, British SAS. He happens to be in Nairobi. A suicide bomber walks into the courtyard of a hotel, detonates, is followed up by multiple terrorists with AKs that enter the hotel and start executing people floor by floor. I had an American on my podcast, Melee Chapin, who was in one of those rooms hiding for 17 hours.

And she credits Christian Craighead for hearing that suicide bomber go off, for hearing the gunfire, and for running to the sound of the guns. And as a single person enters that hotel and starts taking out those terrorists, he ran to the sound of the guns in an in-extremist situation. And she credits him with saving her life and hundreds of others.

So that's what a situation like this requires. It requires that you run to the sound of the guns. And I mean, you have to do that. But regardless of what people think about, Second Amendment issues and all the rest of that. While people debate that in this country, in the meantime, we can harden these targets.

We can make them harder. We do it with our airports, we do it with banks, we do it with jewelry stores. Politicians are surrounded by 24-7 full-time security. We can do that to our schools. We can make them hard targets.

And for whatever reason, we neglect to do that. And then we can also give police officers a little bit more training. And they should be thinking about this.

So the first time they think about having to enter an area where someone has barricaded and has hostages, especially children, it shouldn't be on the day that it's happening. They should be thinking about that ahead of time. They should be training for that ahead of time and know that their job requires them to run to the sound of the guns and take action.

So it's heartbreaking all around. But in the meantime, as the country debates certain issues, we can harden our schools and make them harder targets. Right. We'll debate it. Here's what Senator John Cornyn said: it looks like he's getting together with Republicans, the Democrats.

And try to work something out. Cut 21. I think there's a sense of, you know, urgency that maybe we didn't feel before. We're going to try to work through this and see if we can find that common ground. That's what I think our goal should be.

So wh what do you think what would you think would be acceptable for gun users? Yeah, well, the common ground should be to harden our schools.

Well, these guys we agree with that. Yeah, number one. Absolutely. Like, that is, we should. Would you raise the age to 21 to buy an AR 15?

No, no. It's uh it's uh You can pick out certain things here and there always and have more laws on the books. We have so many different laws on the books already, but hardening our schools for sure, making them harder. If someone keeps breaking into your house time and time again, or someone keeps coming in, let's say you have a large family, keeps coming in and killing one of them. How long is it going to be until you harden your house, until you get armed security, until you put up gates, until you put up lights, until you put up cameras, until you train your family what to do when this happens, until you start carrying concealed to make them go somewhere else and look at you not as a soft target, but as a hard target.

You know, signs that say this is a drug-free zone or this is a gun-free zone, don't do much of anything. All it does is make sure that the law-abiding citizens aren't there to save the day when they need to be. In fact, it's a magnet for people that want to commit these kinds of crimes. Understood. It's heartbreaking and it's unforgivable.

Let me talk about your book, In the Blood, The Thrower. It's the fifth one in your series. And it's a James Reese is in the center of the action. Set the scene. That's right.

This is a sniper-centric novel of violent resolutions. And there's some unfinished business in the last few novels that gets taken care of in this one. But it's the fifth in a series. The first one is being turned into an Amazon Prime video series this summer, dropping on July 1st, Fourth of July weekend, starring Chris Kratz, directed by Antoine Fuqua. And it is amazing.

I could not be more thrilled with how that turned out. But this latest book just hit the New York Times list at number one, debuting there yesterday.

So that was fantastic. And it's people's favorite thus far.

So that makes me feel pretty good. But this one right here is very personal. It's very emotional. And other than the theme of a sniper-on-sniper type of engagement, without that trope of two snipers on separate hillsides or buildings that are looking for each other at the same time and shooting at the last second, I needed to write a sniper-centric novel that didn't have that scene because that scene's been done. And as much as I love it, I had to figure out a way around that one.

So there's also a theme in here that's a forgiveness, which is a little strange because that one appeared as I was writing. But don't worry for anybody listening out there. I'm not joining the Oprah Book Club anytime soon. There's plenty of explosions and vengeance throughout.

So I just couldn't be more thrilled that this thing debuted at number one. And that's all due to people taking a risk on me, reading it, and telling a friend.

So thank you to everybody. And knowing, Jack, that you lived it. A lot of this stuff, your first-hand experience of the context you have to bring some authenticity to these stories, I think goes a long way. It's called In the Blood, a Thriller, the fifth in the Terminal List series. Jack Carr, congratulations.

Thanks for your insight. You can also follow him at Jack Carr with two R's USA. Thanks, Jack.

Okay, thanks for having me on. Take care. You got it. 1-866-408-7669. When we come back, we'll open up the phones and get your take on the timeline as we know it.

We're about to get more information, and then we'll share them with you. And then, what are you on board with? Whether you are a grandparent, parent, a kid, how do we harden the target and make schools safer today? Brian Kilmeicho. Expanding your knowledge base.

It's the Brian Kill Meet Show. The more you listen, the more you'll know it's Brian Killmead. I'm appalled at what I believe has happened, or at least what we think has happened so far. The fact that, look, for 12 minutes, the shooter was outside shooting, and then he went into the school and four minutes later, police respond. but they were ill-prepared for the attack.

They didn't have body armor. It doesn't appear like they had rifles and the ability to get into the classroom and stop the killing.

So they set outside for what appears to be 40 minutes, waiting for a tactical response team to come in and address the threat.

So uh that is Ryan Petty, who's uh whose child was killed In Florida, when they had those rampages at Stoneham High School, and we thought that the cops waiting on the outside was a disaster. It was disastrous for the survival of a lot A lot of those students, because the shooter was able to go back and forth and just finish off some people that were wounded and weren't dead yet. Joining us now. Actually, let me open up the phones. Bill is listening in Pennsylvania WTRW to talk about this.

Hey, Bill. Hi, Brian. I just want to wish you a great holiday weekend coming up. Bless you and your family. Thanks so much.

I just got to tell you on One Nation for Memorial Day, we have Gary Sinise, who does more for troops than perhaps anybody I know, except for, of course, maybe Dan Rooney, who started Fold for Honor, Folds of Honor. And then you have Tunnel to Towers, Frank Siller. There are three of our guests. But go ahead, Bill. What's on your mind?

It's about the NRA. My comment is: I'm an ex-NRA member. And I am a a proud gun owner. I think going forward, even at this convention, wouldn't it be great if the NRA just announced that going forward, they're going to be the trailblazers That are gonna take on security in schools and come up with innovative ways to prevent these shootings. Like they take on a dual role.

Not only to be a gun advocate, but also be the ones that Trailblaze The new ideas that prevent some of these shootings from happening. I think that'd be great for their image. It would prevent them from becoming the villain all the time every time something like this happens. Started a think tank and Got together with some of the best security forces and just came up with well. I'll tell you what, Bill, I don't know if you heard our interview with Oliver North, who used to run the NRA.

They have a program. They put $100 million into it, and it's out there, and it's from the research.

So I'm not sure it's exactly what we need, but it would be a start, and they should play a role. But instead, they want to vilify. If President Biden comes down and starts saying Republicans do this and they're responsible and bringing up his old rhetoric of deal is not in the woods, deer is not in the woods with Kevlar Vest, you don't need an AR-15, that just alienates people.

So let's maybe there's going to get something done. It's two things. Mental illness, too. I want this red flag law to be put into play that if you're a wild man at 16 and you turn 18 and there's nothing in your background check because any problems you had at 16 do not transfer to adulthood. I think there's got to be an amendment for people that pledge violence when you're a teenager.

That there should be a background. When you get a background check, there's got to be a red flag that says you got to take a better look at this guy. This guy could be a problem like the shooter in Buffalo. I wonder if there's a way to implement that. Jamie WVMT in Vermont.

Jamie. Yes. Thanks for taking my call, Brian. Last guy said no. But if money is an issue, we're sending forty billion dollars worth of military equipment to Ukraine.

And I just feel like you know, a hundred percent of the American civilians, their citizens here would gladly send a billion dollars to help train officers or train veterans to protect our schools. Yeah, there's enough money here for that, and no question, and they'll be able to get it. And I don't think you have to deny the Ukrainians who are doing the fighting really for the entire West of anything that they need. You could do it. And especially the crap that we spend on and how much money we've been wasted, there's a national movement to harden our schools and make them safe.

Pro-gun, anti-gun. Doesn't matter. We all have the same objective.

So the red flag we can get behind. And number two, hardening the targets. And I love your idea of using retired military. Because you just train them for more domestic use in elementary school instead of taking down an Iraqi mud hut. I'm all for it.

And I bet you they can make the adjustment. Donnie, W L A D, Connecticut. Donnie. Hey Brian, what's happening, brother? What's on your mind?

Um vets, I'm for the vets too, is backups though. My my uh idea is this. You ever hear micromanaging? These are all these companies using micromanaging.

Well, if the schools had A room set up where you you have um a monitoring system.

Okay. And if something's wrong or whatever, a door's ajar, a door is unlocked, or you want to monitor a hallway, you want to monitor a classroom. you can you can sit there and maybe two people, play two people for the day. It's an eight hour day for school or whatever. And you can see what the heck is going on.

And you can relate that outside to whoever cops. Donnie, I mean, do you know this system that I found out in Uvalde? They agreed they actually did drills on this. And there's a master key that's supposed to be in a certain place that the cops know about. They go grab a key, it's the wrong key.

No, I'm not talking about I'm talking about a monitor the guy people inside the school are employed by the school that can See who's not going to be able to do that Who's coming through the doors, who's walking down the hallways. And if there is a door ajar, you know, it shows up. The technology is you can use it to such an extreme And then you have your backup. Vets or whoever you want, and then you can tell them what's going on. Hey, outlaws.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, a video system like that would be great. That's something that should be talked about. I think everybody would work an extra day or a week to provide the funds, and it's not necessary because we make so much tax dollars, we give so many tax dollars, to provide the funds to harden every single school. and make school shootings as old hat is skyjacking. We could do it.

I'm convinced of it. Everybody's on board for that. My hope is Democrats don't see a deal getting done with the Republicans and then walk away from it because they want it as an election issue. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Thanks so much for being here.

Don't forget to listen to and watch One Nation, 8 o'clock on Saturday, Fox News. Live from the Fox News Radio Studios in New York City, fresh off the set of Fox and Friends, it's America's receptive voice. Brian Killmead. Thanks so much for being there, everybody. It's the Brian Killmeat Show.

We know you're getting set for Memorial Day weekend. We got to finally not take anything for granted any of these holidays when you can be outside, be with family, and not have anything canceled. I understand in the New York area, the Blue Angels are going to do what they always do over Jones Beach. That'll be fantastic. Jones Beach may be the finest beach in the country.

And then in New York, too, if you look around where we're at, gas is probably going to be around $5 a gallon. On average, $4.59. Last year, $3. You believe this? But 82% of Americans are planning to travel this Memorial Day.

51% are carpooling. I'm not sure if that's an Uber carpool, but first things first, we'll discuss that. The President of the United States on Sunday will be in Uvalde where the horrific shooting took place, killing those preschoolers, 19 of which, 21 in all, 19 kids between 8 and 10 years old. Just a quick note here: talk about the fear among law enforcement, is why Suffolk and Nassau County, Long Island, have really responded with force. Suffolk County police have arrested, that's New York here.

If you look at Long Island, probably it's the 20th biggest market in the country. Suffolk County police arrested a 16-year-old Bellport high school student after allegedly making online threats of a massive shooting at his school. The teenager who has identified his identity is being held. Obviously, he's under 18. He said multiple people called 911 about the May 26th threat.

So they've detected, they picked this guy up. It happened the day after. We found out about the Uvalde shooting that took the lives of these innocent kids.

So, before we get to our first guest, who's going to talk about how to talk to you kids about this horrific crime and Lee Greenwood at the bottom of the hour? Let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Sponsored by LifeFact: Save a Life in a Choking Emergency. Visit lifefact.net to learn more and use code BK10 to save 10%. Number three: What we now have is a very clear pattern in both the Steele dossier and the Alpha Bank scandal. Both of them originated with the Clinton campaign.

When it went over to the FBI, apparently, according to this agent, James Comey and the rest of the FBI were chomping at the bit. Yeah, it's unbelievable, right? Which is the revelations from the Durham trial.

Well, it wraps up. The venom Mike Sussman decides not to take a stand. What we know about the trial, what we've learned because of the trial, and Durham's chances of getting conviction. We'll talk about it. Number two.

We are going to extend a hand, a partnership. To those who have Been sitting on the sidelines to those who have chosen to side with the gun lobby. I think there's a sense of urgency that maybe. we didn't feel before. We're going to try to work.

Through this and see if we can find that common ground. Yeah, that is a little different than Chris Murphy wants. He wants to say the NRA is holding the Republicans hostage, not the case. Is this the time we look at guns and school safety? Bipartisan talks underway through Memorial Day.

We'll keep you up to date. I want to find out what you think should be in or out of this. Number Multiple witnesses that I spoke with said as soon as they heard gunshots, they immediately jumped in a car, got to Robb Elementary, and that's where they were met with law enforcement. They couldn't get into the school. Multiple parents told me that they were frustrated by law enforcement inaction and don't understand why it took so long to get to the shooter.

Jorge Ventura, Daily Caller reporter. It's a lot of questions. Funerals begin today for 19 grade schoolers and two teachers, which is beyond sad. But what I know about the timeline is taking down the killer has me beyond mad. We're going to talk about this and elaborate on all this stuff and why we were told such inaccurate things for the last two days.

Let's bring in Dr. Michelle Borba. Dr. Michelle Borba is the perfect person to have right now. She's an educational psychologist, best-selling author of several books.

Her latest is Thrivers: The Surprising Reasons Why Some Kids Struggle and Others Shine. Dr. Borba, one thing is pretty clear. No matter what your grades are, if you're a kid watching this or experience this shooting, this carnage, you are going to be forever affected. Can you give us an idea in what way?

Multiple ways. Number one, we've got children who we do know one in three is already having some kind of a mental health problem during this pandemic. That means their stress and anxiety is already going up. But the second thing that we're worried about is what an incredible psychologist discovered a long time ago. It's called mean world syndrome.

And that is if you continue to see the world in your view as a mean, scary place, and you only see the bad of it, your entire image of the world the rest of your life becomes more pessimistic. And that's going to really erode your confidence, your happiness, and your view of the life. And that's, oh, God, our children deserve a heck of a lot better, don't they? I would think so.

So now we find out this, this, this 18-year-old went in Target Elementary School like Sandy Hook, like the Sandy Hook shooter did, Adam Lanza. And we don't know much about this kid yet, but he walks into the school, locks himself in a classroom, and kills everybody in it. We know some of the horrific stories from these kids, and more will emerge. One said, my friend got killed, and I wanted to give the gunman a sense that I was shot at least.

So I took some of my friend's blood and wiped it on myself, and he ended up walking past me. I mean, think about what that kid. kid's life is going to be. She is, I think, nine years old. Yeah, we're talking post-traumatic stress, obviously, and it will erode their image of the world forever.

Each one of those children clearly needs major, major help right now in terms of counseling. But also, look at that child, what a brilliant kid, to be able to come up with a plan at that moment and still be able to think when you're in absolute terror mode. How about your stories? Yeah. And how about the fact that she took her teacher, who was shot dead, took the teacher's cell phone and then called 911?

Yeah. Yes. Those are the kids who we do know have the skills who are coping and resilient. What we now need to do is wrap our arms around all of our kids to be able to keep them calm and safe because yes, those children are there exposing right there in that moment, but we're also realizing in today's digital world, almost every one of our kids also has access to those images, and they are repeated images. The one thing I'd caution a parent is be very careful about a young child, because we knew after 9-11 that when images kept forming of those planes going into the towers, many young children thought those were continued kinds of attacks.

So, the first thing is, we've got to stay calm for our kids' sake, and we've got to listen to what they know or hear what they know and make sure that we are giving them the information because a lot of the information that they're hearing is, believe it or not, actually far worse than what you're seeing if that's even possible. But that's what's happening with children's little minds. They can't process this information. True. You have a model.

It's an acronym, TALK. And each letter of talk means something. Number one with the T, talk about the tragic event.

So if you're the parent of a kid, or since it's so relatable, since you look at these kids and say, that could be my classmate, my friend, an eight-year-old finds out that kids were targeted, they can't get their head around the fact that an adult would want to kill a kid, and they're hearing these stories. How do you get a kid to talk that wasn't even directly involved in this? The first thing is Children mirror us, and they're going to be far more likely to open up if we're calm ourselves. It's not a face-to-face conversation. Maybe it's sitting down next to a child.

With boys, we know, young ones in particular, if you do something like play Legos or you're shooting baskets or something like that, they're more likely to open up. Second of all, you may start the conversation with what are your friends saying? What have you heard? As opposed to start, how are you feeling about this? Just the more indirect version.

What you're trying to do is just help your child open up to you so you can hear where he is and help him process this information. Yeah, so the next one is assess, which is the A, assess how the child is coping. You know your kid, right? You do. The fascinating thing about this, Brian, is that every child, we're shocked that every child handles these things differently.

And many parents are telling me, I didn't expect him to be so verbal, or I didn't expect her, she's always so verbal, to retreat.

So keep tuning into your child, assessing how they're coping, not just now, but we're finding that some kids it takes a couple of days for them to all of a sudden be stressed. And you may not realize that the reason that they are becoming angry or frustrated or stressed or irritable or reticent or pulling back, you don't know how your child is going to cope. You just keep tuning in and you'll be able to help your child be able to slowly be able to process this information and handle it in a way that they don't feel quite as stressed. Are you watching your child, for instance, lose sleep? Are you seeing a change in eating behaviors?

All of a sudden, she's more clingy. She doesn't want to go out or leave. I don't want to go to school, mom. Those are kinds of things that could be red flags. Changes that are different from your child's normal are also changes that you should be tuning into.

The good news is, places like Florida, they're done with school. And in New York, they're going to be done in a couple of weeks. I mean, that school in Texas was about to close. They just had their graduation. And maybe that's why the door was open, some have speculated.

But in New York, had a few more weeks.

So the kid, your son or daughter might turn around and go, Yeah, I'm not going. I'm not safe. And that brings us to the next one: listen. Listen to the concerns they have, hear them out. Listen, and I think the key on this one is honor silence.

Because very often, what happens with younger kids, or even a teen, they're trying to process some extremely difficult information.

So are we, for heaven's sake. But for a child, he can't get his grasp on what the heck is going on.

So your model is almost totally. Talk. then stop and push pause and listen. Then talk and stop and push pause and listen. This is also not a one-time marathon conversation.

You want to have short little conversations for younger kids. You make it age-appropriate or maturity-appropriate. But you say, I'm always here for you. Let's keep talking about this. When you hear something, let's figure this out.

Monitor that news. Please monitor it carefully. Tune it off. Turn it off. We do know that middle school kids, fascinating, we thought they were okay.

They say that one of the things after 9-11 was they couldn't stand the late-breaking news that was all of a sudden coming out. Here's a new thing that we've just heard without an adult sitting there calmly helping them process it.

So they may not be asking you. You just need to be empathetic and tune into: this is what my child is probably feeling or probably needs right now. Your calm presence is the key. Dr. Michelle Borb is our guest, educational psychologist, talking about how to talk to your kids about this and adults.

And lastly, you have Kindle. Despite the horror, life will go on. Let them know life will go on. Yeah, we learned that if you can do, it's called altruistic suffering. It sounds so lofty, but it actually does help.

If a child can do something, for instance, the Parkland kids, what you saw them do was get out there and mobilize. They were part of a school shooting, but you saw many of those kids became active. They said it didn't stop the pain, but it helped a little bit. In certain cases, it may be what's the tool that's going to help your child cope? Do you pray at night together?

Do you pack some teddy bears and send them off to the child with your child? Do you plant a tree? What's the ritual that's going to help your child? Because what we do know also is if your child can help you, if you can figure out some ways to cope now, your child will be able to use those same strategies, Brian, the rest of their life to help with grief.

So we watched this buffalo shooter plot and plan, and he already was interviewed by the state officials. And they said, you know, when they found out he was trying to threat to blow up his school and kill himself. He got evidently after two and a half hours of analysis, they thought at 17 years old he was okay. They were wrong. And at 18, he publishes a mini a manifesto of 180 pages.

And he goes up and plots and plans to shoot as many black people as possible up in Buffalo. Two 18-year-olds attack in the last three weeks. How do we stop this action? What are the red flags, not just for gun use, but to know that that kid is not only different from the other kids, he's not only quieter, but he might be a killer? Here's what we do know.

Unfortunately, I've been studying school shootings since Columbine. The FBI and the Secret Service have done the best reports on 38 school shooters, and they found that there's not one profile, but we do know something about them. And that is it's a slow, gradual process where a child learns the stages of what criminologists call violentization. The step one is that you don't have that strong, accurate integrity or empathy, and it starts to wane. Many of these kids, believe it or not, were in fact three-fourths of them, were bullied along the way.

Nobody stood into them. I'm not giving them any credit for anything in life here, but that bullying can make a difference, and we need to stop that at a very early age. If we start to hear kids planning or saying things, I'm going to kill someone, for heaven's sakes, take it seriously. Almost every one of these kids, you'll notice even this last one, do report and they do tell.

Now they are reporting and telling on Facebook, on text, and we need to be able to get Facebook, all of our online sources to be able to look at those and red flag them and do not wait because that is one of the protocols of a killer. They want notoriety, and at that point, they are meticulous in their planning. This is never an overnight concept. They plan. Interesting.

Dr. Borba, the other thing is, is that, well, okay, a 17-year-old, he's a little one, you know, his classmates knew he was a little different.

Some looked at him and said, man, that guy's got a screw loose. That's a pedestrian term, not something you would do. This guy's a little dangerous. He makes me weird. He makes me eerie to be around him.

And then he turns 18. And whatever problems and analysis he went through because other people had concerns, it is expunged. And then when he walks down, because I say he, because almost all guys, when he walks down to the gun store, they look to do his background check, and you know what?

Okay, I'm gonna sell you your first gun, we think. And they sell him the gun, and then he ends up being the buffalo shooter. Uh Yes, you and I are on the exact same page. At one point, what we've got to do is start connecting the dots. And that is the school will be able to see some of these.

The counselor will be able to see some of these red flags. But can they report to the police? Yeah, in some states they do. The problem is that we do know in some of our past shooters, the police couldn't report to the school. We've got to start connecting the dots at an earlier age because what we are still doing is intervening and not preventing.

We have got to be a heck of a lot more proactive. We do know that all of this can be prevented, that empathy seems to be a core piece of it, and it's a slow slippage where a child starts losing that.

So humanity no longer is part and parcel. It's that apathy and complacency, and they're no longer seen as human beings. And for two years, they've been, in some cases, if they don't have a secure family, they've been alone. And they're even more of a shut-in because of the pandemic. Dr.

Borba, we can go on for an hour and still not cover everything, but I think you help people a lot. Dr. Michelle Borba, thank you. You're so welcome. Thank you.

You got it. And we come back your turn, 1866-408-7669. We still have not talked about the Durham report and Lee Greenwood at the bottom of the arrow. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. Uh If you're interested in it, Brian's talking about it.

You're with Brian Kilmead. According to the information I have, you went in at 11:40. He walks, and I'm gonna talk to you. Twenty feet. Towards left.

Into a schoolroom. It's your password. Officers are there, the initial officers, they receive gunfire. They don't make entry initially because of the gunfire they're receiving. But we have officers calling for additional resources.

And the problem is, they waited outside an hour. And that's what it must have felt like a lifetime, maybe quick. To the families, it was way too long. And to me, on first blush, if it was my kid in there, and I even think about it, you got to be able to go in. And the more police officers I talked to, even if they didn't have the elite training, you can't wait.

They had to wait an hour for Bore Tech to get there, the elite Border Patrol guys. They ended up going in there with at least four, a stack of four behind a shield, and they ended up taking this guy out who was shooting away.

So Rob McElementary School, the Facebook post, was out there at 11:43 and said the school's under attack. And local police arrived on the scene 11:44, and he wasn't taken out until 1:06. Parents were begging police to go in 11:54. And you see that on video. In fact, they stun gunned some of the parents that refused to listen.

Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. There's pride in every American heart and it's time we stand and say That I'm proud to be an American, wearing peace, I know I'm free. And I won't forget the men who died, who gave that life to me. And I gladly walked.

We were a talk channel, and it's a talk show. But when you have a guy like Lee Greenwood in studio, to set the table, we go to the most iconic song, maybe behind the Star Spangled Banner, is the most patriotic song ever written. Lee Greenwood is here, country music singer you know, and he just was able to sing that song. Proud American on our show just a short time ago. And here he is.

Lee, welcome. Thank you very much, Brian. In the studio, this is a rare treat. Thank you. This is cool.

I don't think I've ever been in this studio before. I've done Fox Nation several times, but not in the studio with you. Right. No, no, I'm honored and privileged. They just kind of built, they did this.

They have the whole radio. They have channel 115 on Sirius, which is 24-hour news, national news, kind of like the 1010 wins locally.

So they built this whole thing for the talk studios, too.

So it's relatively new because the pandemic hit. Everyone left. Oh, the pandemic. Oh, my gosh. You know, we're going to be traveling out of the country here shortly, and there's still some countries where we're going that require masks.

And it's like you kind of forget after a while when the mask is gone. It's like, well, it's over. But it ain't over. I mean, still, other countries, you know, how did you deal with it, personally and professionally? I hated it, first of all.

And particularly, we flew to Africa for our family vacation last year. We had to wear the mask from the time we left Nashville through New York, through Paris, and France was more picky about the documents. We had to fill out for COVID than Kenya. When we got to Kenya, there was no mask. It was fine there, but it was.

24 hours of constant mask through the airplanes, you know, and the air airports. It was awful. In 2020, of course, we had about six or seven shows, most of them outdoors and most in the West Coast.

So that was kind of hard keeping our talents up, you know, during that year. Began to get a little better in 21. And, of course, we're back full strength now. Right. So, yeah, you know, for the most part, I went to two or three events.

It was packed merely for the first time. And I realized the trains aren't back. I'm able to get a seat on a train even if I go a minute before on Long Island Railroad. Subways aren't close. And mainly that's crime.

I mean, that's a crime thing. Do you notice New York a little different now or no? No.

Well, you just come in and out so quick. Yeah, I come in and out. But it seems normal to me, except for the fact that during the riots when they closed all those expensive stores, my wife is really pissed off. You know, all of those expensive stores that the glass knocked out and they didn't reopen a lot of them down on Fifth Avenue. And I'm like, well, that's too bad, honey.

A couple of things. You were just telling me. about your childhood. Yeah. Anything but easy, right?

Well, yeah. You know, let me just say this. It was perfect. My father joined the Navy after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I was born in 42, so he was deployed by the time I was born.

My mother divorced him because she didn't understand his commitment to the country and to the service.

Now, a lot of families went through that, but that left my mother with two kids, my older sister and I. And my sister still alive, lives in Boise, Idaho, is three years older than me. And my mother was a piano player at night. She was a compometer operator for Standard Oil during the daytime and a cleric for Southern Pacific.

So holding down three jobs. I rarely knew her. I didn't know my father until I was in my teens. But. I was raised by my grandparents.

We were sharecroppers, lived on a farm in Sacramento, California. I worked on a farm as a kid, you know, growing up. I I had a great childhood, great role models from my grandparents, and I didn't really want for anything.

So if if you say that I didn't want to. You didn't have a typical nuclear family, but you had a great grandparents. And that's all it takes, is love. Right. When did you realize you had musical talent?

Five or six, seven, right in there. Wow.

Well, I sang in church, and I think that's it. When you first realize you can carry a melody, and then you learn songs off the radio just quickly and start singing along with them. You only had the old radio with the two knobs on it. You get to hear some music occasionally. And my grandmother loved the music of the canaries, Heart's Canary.

We had a 78 vinyl record, and she would listen to that sit in the chair, and I would try to memorize. The first song that I ever memorized was from a 78 record. It was Stan Kenton, the father of American jazz. It was called Artistry and Rhythm. And we had a spin-up piano in the trailer that we lived in in the corner.

And I was allowed to play that piano every night after I finished my chores and my schoolwork. And I memorized artistry and rhythm. I still remember the melody. And I got all four parts in my head. I was Eight, nine, one, ten.

Then they realized, too, we got to like support this. But and you end up going to camp, you said, too, right?

Well, I mean, it wasn't really support, but my grandmother took charge of my career in such a way. And there were fights between my mother and my grandmother about how much leeway they would give me. They really had a strong leash on me. But at the age of 13, 14, I was already playing in nightclubs. And so my grandmother would have the band leader.

He'd come and sit in the living room. And we had this Spanish, I would say, let me just call what is it, Mexican bass player. And he had hard luck tattooed on his knuckles. A big fella. And she said, if he doesn't come home by 2 a.m.

in the morning, he'll never go with you again. And I was very good on the saxophone. And in those years, they had all those rhythm and blues quartets, and every one of them had a tenor saxophone in it. And I was already pretty good at it. And so I would finish, get home, have breakfast downtown North Sacramento, get home in bed by 2:30, be up at 6:30, and go run the baseball track at school.

You're an athlete, too. I was saying the first thing that hit me when I Before I met you, this guy's an athlete. You're in great shape.

Well, thank you. And at 79, I still feel pretty darn good. I've had a few surgeries on my knees and back, but that's just structural damage from sports. And I wouldn't give a minute of it. I love my baseball.

I love basketball. And I played racquetball for 12 years. I didn't mean to interrupt you because my dad was in a quartet too. I guess he would have been about the same age. He put the band together and paid his way right through college.

He had an opportunity to go to Juilliard. But his parents said no one makes a living in music.

So did not support it. He ends up being a chemist at Iona, but played his music to support him through. One of his big regrets was not following through with that. And after he put down the clarinet and saxophone, he knew how good he could be. He hated picking it up again.

Well, you know, I've got a 23-year-old just graduated at TCU in Fort Worth, Texas. He'll play piano and scare you to death. He looks a lot like Van Clyburn. As a matter of fact, there's a Van Clyburn room and a contest at TCU in Fort Worth. And he's elected not to do that because he wants to be just a writer.

So he was a chancellor scholar because he had a perfect SAT score and science score in high school. And he changed from music, from theater to musical composition.

So he's going to write music for video games and motion pictures. And he's very well qualified.

So I think his master's might be in Scotland or somewhere. But he's going to be a musician. I'm like, son, it's going to be tough, you know, but you can't deny the talent. If I figured he didn't have the talent, I would have detiered him. And his brother is actually pretty talented as a singer, who's now getting a PhD in cancer research at Vanderbilt, Dalton, who's 27 and just got married.

But he's his future secured. But I just said to Parker, you know, it may be tough. He said, it's all right. I'm ready for the long haul. Do you so when you started in the music, I mean, most people don't make any music, right?

Well, you're right. Yeah. It's grab the brass ring. You're really lucky. I had two or three shots at it.

Brian, you probably don't know this. I was working at a hotel called a Desert Inn in Vegas, and I was working for a female star named Babette DeCastro. And when we traded, every 40 minutes you get a different act on. The other act was called Sandu Scott and the Scotties. And they'd put on their show and two female acts.

So when I finished Babette DeCastro's act, I joined the other band. We went to Puerto Rico, then New York to do the Ed Sullivan show.

So it puts the time frame right for you.

So now that was his. And so the drummer, Dino Denelli, lived in Hoboken.

So I stayed with them. At that time, New York had Joy Dieter and the Starlighters had a new song called The Peppermint Twist. I would come to New York. We see them. It's a dead of winter.

I'm getting pneumonia. And I said, guys, I just can't stay in New York. I got to go back to Vegas and go back to work. I did that. Three months later, they put the band back together and they became the young rascals.

So I missed that gold brass. I missed that brass ring. It's interesting that Felix Cavalier wrote all those songs, now lives in Nashville. And he just did my 40 Years of Hits special, which Fox Nation carries, by the way. You're being seen on Fox Nation right now.

Yeah, proud to be an American. And so Felix lives in Nashville.

So it's full circle, but yeah, you're right. I'd say 1,000 to 1, maybe more, 10,000 to 1 if you get the brass ring. Right. But would you say your work ethic has a lot to do with it? Oh, absolutely.

And did you have a plan B? No.

Is that the key? No.

No net. Like rid of the net? Like your dad. I mean, I think there were opportunities. My stepfather was a contractor, Louis D'Antonoli.

I loved him. And I could have gone into building. I liked that. I could have gone into farmer work, but gosh dang, that's hard work. I mean, you may have to get up at three in the morning, but for a farmer, you're up at three and you're out in the fields.

I'd end up putting on makeup in a suit. Yeah, exactly. That's a little harder. And I said, no, I don't want to be a farmer. And so music came so easy, though.

Oh, my gosh. But I was scouted by the Dodgers, and I thought, well, maybe baseball. But I was 140 pounds, dripping wet, 5'7. I said, nah, I'm not going to have a career in baseball.

Well, there were some guys your dimensions. Davy Lopes wasn't much bigger than that, right? Second base?

Well, sure. I mean, there's always that. I mean, Walter Payton, you know, I mean, there's always an exception, but I didn't want to be that exception. All right, but you are exceptional. When we come back, Lee Greenwood tells us the story of God Bless the USA and where that song has taken you in your life and the presidents and Officials you've had a chance to meet.

Don't move. By the way, perfect guest today, Lee, not a coincidence with Memorial Day a few days away. One of the many people in our country does not have to be told the meaning of this holiday. Don't move. Learning something new every day on the Brian Kill Meat Show.

Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. We're back, Lee Grinwood, our guest. Lee Grinwood was kind enough to do the Fox and Friends concert series, the first one to kick off today on Fleet Week. And of course, God bless the USA.

And Proud American is what Lee Greenwood is known for. You think about Lee Greenwood, it's red, white, and blue, but he's really a country music star, first and foremost. When you talk about that song that you played for us. Uh today, what has that done for your career?

Well, many people would say it's an umbrella. Uh it does not. It's not a parachute. That's for sure. I'm an artist.

I'm a singer and a writer, and I'll be that until I'm done. And God Bless the USA happened to be one of those songs along the way that I wrote because I wanted to write something about my country. But it was on the first album it was on called You Got a Good Love Comin'. We put $25,000 in that video and filmed it in the London train station. And Patrick Duffy was a guest as a cameo to open up that video.

You can get, yeah, you can get that video on YouTube if you look for it. You got a Good Love Comin'. And so when we finished that album, we were actually recording in Nashville as a Nashville artist. We didn't want LA actually controlling what we do. And I was on the label with Reba McIntyre, George Strait, the Oak Ridge Boys, and Barbara Mandrell.

And we all had the same mindset. We are a Nashville artist.

However, I was competing with George Strait for chart positions because his AR man ran MCA. And so I was a little hard getting past his record.

So I said, let's go out and have Get LA behind us.

So we took that album, You Got a Good Love Coming, to Irving Azoff in Los Angeles. And had them listen to it. It was him that made the choice to release God Bless the USA. It would never have been heard. You think it would have been buried on that album?

Yeah, yeah, just another song. And then, when you release, what happened?

Well, the power of radio, of course, you know, and it was it was aimed at July 4th. They released it a little bit late. It went number six, I think, on the chart. And then after July 4th, the patriotism wanes, and then the song was not popular until it became Song of the Year in Nashville at the CMA because it started getting legs. And as much as for the National Guard and the military as anything, because they immediately adopted me, you know, as their hero.

And I did like 15 USO tours after I came in. When did Reagan take notice? Yeah, the campaign for I'm a Reaganite anyway. I'm from California, so I worked on his gubernatorial campaign even though I was a nobody. Yeah, and then they never forgot that.

But of course, when USA came out, they called me and they said, We want you to play the president's dinner for Ronald Reagan.

So I did that. And then I did the 84 convention as well for Ronald. And I became Nancy Reagan's champion. And then we had a performance at the White House. And then I met 41, who was vice president at the time.

And then I sang for five. Presidents at the Reagan Library was Reagan, Bush, Nixon, Carter, and Ford all standing behind me while I was singing. I was like, man, this is pretty awesome, you know. And then it's like you had the Gulf War, and General Schwarzkopf used it as a song of the war, if you will. And then Katrina, it became a song for unity.

And then, of course, the attack on America in 2001. And as you know, Brian, I was here three times: once for the Fireman's Memorial at Yankee Stadium, the Policeman's Memorial at Carnegie Hall, and then I came back for the fourth game of the World Series, which was kind of cool. The Yankees against the Diamondbacks, and the Yankees couldn't pull it out. The seventh game, they finally lost to the Diamondbacks in Arizona. But that was a part of rebuilding New York.

But since then, there's just been more and more and more need for unity. And every time I do this, I come to New York and I sing for Fox, and we get on the network. And I have so many people coast to coast who have texted me this morning on my phone. It's blowing up. It's like, oh, my gosh, we're so proud of you for getting there and singing.

Worried about the patriotism still there in America. Can you compare it to the 1980s when we put the hostage crisis behind us, we begin to, it becomes clear we're going to win the Cold War? Reagan was such an optimistic guy, wonderful speaker. He won by 40 plus 49 states for reelection.

So, can you compare the two generations? Uh Let me put it this way. In World War I and World War II Every household had somebody serving in the military. I think when you move on to Vietnam, it was maybe every block had three or four soldiers. As you move on to the war on terror, it's maybe 100 people in a city.

So it's less and less people who see the value of the military, and therefore patriotism begins to wane. You have to remember how our freedom is protected: it's the military. And not enough people do that.

So if you compare the generations, the respect for the country and the flag is much. If you're going to kneel for the flag, I suggest you go to church and kneel. That's where you'll find where your God is. And I hate it that the NFL is one of those that didn't step up immediately and say, you know what, I appreciate your cause, but this is not the place you kneel. They went the other way.

Lee Gridwood, our guest, Lee, I thought about you too when the statues start coming down. People now have a problem with Jefferson and William and Mary when he went to college. People are defiling George Washington's statue. I saw that they took down not exactly a founding father, but an iconic figure, Daniel Boone. They want his name off elementary.

Schools. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt moved out from the Museum of Natural History. They took him off his horse, even though he and his dad. Built the Museum of Natural History. It was their idea.

What do you think about when those things happen? Oh, Brian, we're two white guys here talking on the phone.

Sometimes as I look back on it, you know, you have to have an African-American in the room to talk about his culture and his perception of what's going on. I disagree with anybody that wants to remove a monument. I don't think that's the right thing. If you want to erect another monument next to it and say, this is my heritage and my perception. Exactly.

Let me just give my opinion.

Okay, great. I'll take your opinion, but don't take down my history because it's the history of the United States. I mean, you can't erase history.

So I did the President and Freedom Fighter, Frederick Douglass Abraham Lincoln and the battle to save America's soul. And at that same time, there's a protest around Frederick Douglass' statue because the statue, the Lincoln statue, that Douglass dedicated to Lincoln 10 years after his death, had an African American breaking free of chains. The best answer is what you just gave. Leave that statue. That's where Douglas stood.

And then put one behind it. Exactly. Because even back then, Douglas was like, yeah, I don't love this statue. But he understood what they tried to do and was the slaves paid for it and okayed the design. Yeah, America.

So that's a way to do it. Absolutely. America's changing. Again, every time we have, you know, like the shooting in Buffalo and it becomes racial, I just, you know, it sets us back another 40 years. Absolutely.

But hopefully we move forward. Lee Greenwood, it's a thrill to have you here. I know you're going to have a big weekend. What do you want to promote real quick? Black Cat Fireworks.

Have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend and go buy some Black Cat Fireworks. Also, do our Adopt a Vet program. Come to my website, LeeGreenwood.com and Adopt a Vet. You'll find out what it is. All right, Lee.

Thanks so much. Great to see you. Thanks, Brian. Baggin. Shooting.

Live from the Fox News Radio Studios in New York City, fresh off the set of Fox and Friends, it's America's receptive voice. Brian Killmee. It's good to be here, everybody. It's the Brian Killmeat Show, coming to you from 48th and 6 in Midtown Manhattan. We're heard around the country, heard around the world, especially in the Ukraine.

We're going to talk to Jack Curry at the bottom of the hour, studio analyst for Yes Network, two-time New York Times bestseller, and he's got a brand new book out called Swing and Hit: What Nine Innings of Baseball Taught Me. It's really about Paul O'Neill, but Jack Curry, a baseball ficionato in his own right. We need a little bit of a break, don't we? And if you happen to notice, The Yankees and many people in the offseason were saying, you've got to tear this team apart. It's just underachieving.

They've made the wildcard last two years. They don't hit in the clutch. It's an all-or-nothing team with an aging staff. They're the best record in baseball. Jack Curry on that.

And Shannon Bream is going to be with us in a matter of moments. And I want her to break down not only what's happening in the world right now, but also what's happening with the Dorm trial, which is really coming to a close. It's Michael Sussman. He is guilty as the day is long. Why some say he might get off, and also why it might not make that much of a difference?

Intriguing, right? Let's get to the big three.

Now, with the stories you need to know, it's Brian's big three. Number three. What we now have is a very clear pattern in both the Steele dossier and the Alphabank scandal. Both of them originated with the Clinton campaign. When it went over to the FBI, apparently, according to this agent, James Comey and the rest of the FBI were chomping at the bid.

Yeah, they couldn't wait to see this seventh floor. Durham trial wraps up. Sussman decides not to take the stand what we now know about the trial, what we now know about the investigation, and how justice really should be served if Sussman is found guilty because he was caught dead to rights. But why it might not matter. Number 10.

We are going to extend a hand, a partnership. To those who have Been sitting on the sidelines to those who have chosen to side with the gun lobby. I think there's a sense of urgency that maybe. we didn't feel before. We're going to try to work.

Through this and see if we can find that common ground. Yeah, Chris Murphy, the senator from Connecticut, you'll be tested because Republicans will come to the table if you're reasonable on things that will help stop these school shootings. Is this time to look at guns and school safety in a bipartisan way? They will discuss it all throughout, and they'll zoom it in a bipartisan way, and we'll see if they have a deal or if everyone's just going to play midterm politics. Number Multiple witnesses that I spoke with said as soon as they heard gunshots, they immediately jumped in a car, got to Rob Elementary, and that's where they were met with law enforcement.

They couldn't get into the school. Multiple parents told me that they were frustrated by law enforcement inaction and don't understand why it took so long to get to the shooter. We still don't. Jorge Ventura, Daily Caller reporter. Funerals begin for the nineteen grade schoolers and two teachers who it's beyond sad will be laid to rest.

And you know what gets you beyond mad? The fact that the killer was able to last an hour. Let's bring in Shannon Bream, Fox News legal correspondent, anchor of Fox News at night, and the author of Mothers and Daughters of the Bible speak lessons on faith from nine biblical families. Shannon, welcome. Great to be with you, Brian.

Shannon, I don't even know. I mean, your show starts at midnight. You're reporting throughout the day, but I was supposed to go in with John Roberts and Sandra Smith, so I'm watching the whole press conference thinking it's going to be quick, but certainly impactful. I did not expect Victor Escon to say this: so many things that we thought were true that ended up not being true about the shooter. Listen to this.

Cut to.

So right now, you know, during the investigation, It appears it was unlocked.

So we're going to look at that and try to cooperate that as best as we can. We also thought the shooter was confronted and was forced to drop a bag of ammunition. Cut one. It was reported That a school district police officer confronted. The suspect gave us making entry.

Not accurate. He walked in unobstructed initially.

So from The grandmother's house to the barn ditch to the school. into the school. He was not confronted by anybody. Killer kills his grandmother. She calls 911 with a bullet in her face.

11:28, the killer's truck arrives and crashes in the school. At 11.30, 911 call comes in. There's a problem. Ramos lingers around the shooter outside the school for twelve minutes, firing shots before he goes into the school unobstructed. Nobody was there, and the door was open.

And it gets worse from there. Shannon, what's your reaction? We've seen so many of these school investigations. What do you think about the fact that we were so inaccurate for so long? It's so puzzling.

Listen, I can understand that you can say, we've got to interview all these first responders, we've got to debrief everybody, we've got to figure this out. That I totally get, but the complete fabrication of a human being that wasn't even there who allegedly exchanged gunfire with the suspect, that that just is created out of thin air, is baffling to me because we have the witness accounts who've said, We saw the truck crash, I called, people tried to go help the guy, he started shooting at them, we saw him going to the school. I don't know who invented the school resource officer. I mean, like we always say, the fog of war is obviously very, very confusing, and there's so much that we're gonna have to unpack. And unfortunately, that's gonna involve talking to these precious little kids who survived this thing.

But I just don't know how things get entered into the equation that never even existed. I mean, we had Lieutenant Olivares with the Texas Department of Safety on last night, and I said, let's walk through this. Let's talk about what you do know and how things came up that you didn't know and where you are now. And we talked about these parents who were furious, who have video, who showed up there. You know, one woman says she was handcuffed.

The marshals say it's not true. Another father was tackled to the ground. There are video of these things of people hysterical. You know, and there have got to be questions. If for no one else, but those parents, they deserve it.

They have a right to it. And we've got to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, I mean, the way they were treated, I saw the video. You see him being stun gunned, and you also see somebody being arrested when the parent tried to get on a bus to see their kid. And then there was evidently, part of the timeline that's been accepted is 11:54, the parents start begging police to get into the building.

At 1.06, Facebook shows Uvalde police and the shooter in custody, but he was never in custody. He was dead. They drag him to another room. He killed everybody in that room.

So then the Bore-Tech shows up, and they're the special operators with the shield that go in. The question is, and I've talked to people that we've We both know that our police officers say you go in, even if you just have a gun, Kevlar, or vest, and there's pictures on their website with tactical equipment.

So I don't know where that equipment was at the time. Those questions have to be answered, but most importantly, Shannon, so how we handle it the next time. We're supposed to have learned a ton in 1999 from Columbine. But in some ways we don't seem to learn. Yes, because we've asked and you have asked, I'm sure, many, many law enforcement experts and officers and people who served and are now serving in the field.

Wasn't that the consensus after Columbine that if there's an active shooter or shooters inside and there are law enforcement people with guns on site, they go in? And again and again, they've all told me the same thing. That was the change. That is the policy. That's how you engage with the active shooter.

If there are defenseless children inside, you don't wait. That's what we learned after Columbine. There are just so many questions.

Now, law enforcement will tell you and people confirm on site witnesses that they were working around to other classrooms, breaking out windows, getting kids out away from where they knew the shooter was.

So it's not as if nothing was happening. They were evacuating people. They were doing everything that they could on that front. You know, what I was pressing on last night with Lieutenant Oliver is, but what about where you knew he was? And I asked him, I said, there have been reports that officers went in and engaged with the guy.

Is that true? Do we believe that to still be true? And he said, yes, they were in the hallways trying to figure things out in there. They got engaged with gunfire and retreated from that point, but they did engage with him. but that's a full hour before Vortak shows up and goes in and takes him out.

And people are still hearing gunshots inside at that point. And I cannot imagine as a parent how absolutely hysterical I would be for an hour Unable to find my child and hearing gunshots. I will say this. This is what's been brought up to me by someone we both know. is that you go in.

That's what you're trained to do. Don't tell me you're not trained enough or trained wrong. That's what you're trained to do. You know you're in the line of fire for everything from a traffic stop to something like this. There's always danger.

That's the nature of the position. I'm not saying that I'm trained to do it, but that's one thing you know about cops. They put themselves in harm's way on a daily basis. That's why they get the respect by so many. The other thing is, you don't know how many of those kids could have been saved if we got to them right away.

Right, and that that will haunt people because you know you have the account from the one little girl who laid on top of her friend and played dead and said her friend was still breathing for a while. And I that I did not hear that. That is true. That's the first time I'm hearing that.

Well, this is one little girl in an account and I'm trying to remember which media outlet it was, but she actually survived and she told her parents or told some adults that her friend was still alive. She tried to lay on top of her to pretend like she was dead, but that by the time it was all over, her friend had not made it.

So whether she survived 30 seconds or 30 minutes, we just don't know. And that's, like I said at the beginning, the horrible thing is that these kids who survived this are having to be debriefed. But I couldn't live with that as a parent thinking about my child maybe could have made it out. Yeah, a couple of things, too. I mean, one thing, the grandmother evidently is awake, is not going to die, but is not getting out of hospital anytime soon, is able to write things down.

She might be able to fill in the blanks on what caused this, what the signs were. Evidently, he wasn't going to graduate. She wanted to take his phone back. He had a part-time job at Wendy's. He shoots her in the face, takes her truck, and then you know what he did.

So, the question is: two questions. I want to get to the Durham trial, too. But now, you know, we've been through this before, and now the Democrats are going to say it's all the NRA's fault and Republicans who are subservient to the NRA, which is an insult to all of our intelligence, especially if you know what happened to the NRA over the last few years. They're almost powerless in Washington. Josh Holmes said this about possible some bipartisan legislation, Cut 24.

You know, he was the former chief of staff to Senator McConnell. But I think what this effort is, is to try to be responsive. It's not simply not enough to just sort of throw up your hands because there are good ideas that are out there. I think Republicans auger more closely to hardening security around the schools. Obviously, Democrats have had a long-standing want in the gun reform or gun control space.

And as these facts emerge, like I say, it is not irrelevant what the ultimate facts on the ground were in terms of how that bipartisan coalition comes together.

So, bipartisan, we know that Mitt Romney seems to be in, Center, Collins seems to be in, Center, Cornyn seems to be in. They want to try to do something, but not gratuitously. Harden the targets across the country, provide the funding to do it. And red flag laws seem to have everybody intrigued, especially after these last two shootings. Yeah, and listen, if there were easy answers, they would have figured this out a long time ago.

So it's not easy. And you know, like everybody thinks, and when you come to the table to negotiate over something like this, no one's going to get 100% of what they want. I think every single American is for anything they think would actually Factually, they have made a difference in any of these cases. And that's the big thing. These people, this shooter was breaking multiple state and federal laws at the time this happened, including shooting his grandmother, including shooting innocent children, and some of them, many of them, still recovering.

I mean, This is a psycho who was not going to go consult the law books.

So then you talk about access, whether it's to guns or to the school. We had a mom on from Texas last night who said she, after Newtown, was so determined to figure out how to do this. And she said, you know, they fought and fought in their community for one thing, main thing, was to get an armed officer at every single school. Then they fought for things like single point of entry and exit and other things that. Will make a real difference in hardening the school.

Because if somebody is psychotic enough, they will steal a gun, they will do any number of things that we've seen people do.

So we have to look on all sides of the equation and see what would actually make a difference. Red flag laws, I think a lot of people want to investigate that and see how that could work. Unfortunately, I think with the Buffalo shooter and with the Uvalde shooter, I don't know that there was a criminal past or mental health history that was documented somewhere that would have. Triggered a red flag in either case. Shannon, you're the lawyer, but evidently he did have a psychological interview because he threatened the buffalo shooter, because he threatened to blow up his school and kill himself.

I mean, shoot up the school and shoot himself. And after two and a half hours with state officials, he turns 18 and still able to get a gun, nothing on his record. Right, and I think that's the thing. If you don't have an official adjudication or something where you've been deemed to have a mental illness or a threat to society, if it's an interview, that's probably not going to show up anywhere. It's just not going to ping in a background check.

But for these red flag laws where we talk about taking away guns from people who already have them, there's the big due process argument. In some states, they take the guns first and then you get a hearing. And listen, if you've got a kid or a neighbor or somebody who is, you know, not well, that sounds like a great idea, but you have to look all the way through this. What if it's you have a bad breakup and someone lies about you and says you're crazy and threatening them and they come and take your guns out of spite or a coworker who has revenge for you. And those are horrible decisions to try to make because if we want to encourage people to step up and say, if someone seems unwell to you, let's get the guns out of their house.

And so how lawmakers navigate through that and find something that's workable is going to be exceptionally difficult. But again, that's what we elect them to do. I hear you. I want to real quick go to the Durham trial. It's supposed to wrap up today.

Michael Sussman will not stand there. It will not stay on trial. But from what you know, when Sussman's on text messages and says to James Baker, Jim Baker, the lawyer at the FBI, I'm coming just to represent myself. And then he talks about this Russian bank connection to Donald Trump, which ended up being nothing. And then he turns it over to be investigated.

And they tell everyone, I cannot tell you who gave me this because he came here on his own. And that means that they start investigating this as legitimate as opposed to somebody who works for the Hillary Clinton camp. You would think that that would be enough to convict Michael Sussman. But many people do not think he's going to be convicted. Because the Evidently, the FBI used the Justice Department as a reference in order to move this investigation forward.

That was also false. It kind of muddied the waters. What do you think, Shannon?

Well, and the fact that Durham showed the jury that he. Build the Hillary Clinton campaign for that meeting of the FBI. I mean, there are a lot of things that seem to make Sussman's case for him, but you've got to remember this jury. The D.C. area is heavily political.

We know a number of the jurors either donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign or were supportive. You know, one of the folks has a daughter that plays on a team with Sussman, a sports team. I mean, it all comes down to the jury. That's in any case, whether you're in Paducah, Kentucky, or Washington, D.C., or anywhere in between. It's all about your jury.

So I think. You know, we just gotta see if people digest the evidence and come to the same conclusion or not, that people watching the trial from the outside, many of them are. Exit question, Shannon. Even if he's found innocent, so much was exposed here of the erratic way in which they approach this, the unprofessional, agenda-driven way. Has Durham accomplished many of his goals?

I think that there's such a blackout on covering this trial that a lot of people have no idea what Durham has presented. An intentional blackout. This is the trial. You choose not to pay attention to it. In some squares, I would say yes.

Unbelievable. Shannon Bream, thanks so much. We'll watch you at midnight. Is that okay? Yeah, but watch be on the five first.

Oh, yeah, be on the five first if you don't mind. Here. All right, great. Thanks so much. Shannon Bream, Brian Kilmeicho.

Thanks so much for listening. When we come back, I'll take your calls, and then we talk a little baseball with Jack Curry. The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. We have learned a lot.

It is, there's been questions raised as to why the Mueller investigation did not uncover or reveal some of these details. What we now have is a very clear pattern in both the Steele dossier and the Alphabank scandal. Both of them originated with the Clinton campaign. The Clinton campaign hid the funding of the Steele dossier, was recently fined by the FEC for doing that.

So they pushed these two separate parallel tracks. Both went to the FBI, both went to the CIA, both went to favorable people in the media, and they unleashed this torrent. And the response was, we just need a narrative.

Well, you know what? The Clint people were right, because when it went over to the FBI, apparently, according to this agent, James Comey and the rest of the FBI were chomping at the bid. They just wanted to make sure Trump wasn't elected. Why Robert Mueller, two-time FBI director, could not do that and figure that out, or Andrew Weissman, because he wasn't being honest. They said these guys are going to go where the investigation leads them.

It should have been to a dead end. And we're seeing that. Pay attention to the dorm trial. Anyone that's on the fence with Trump and Clinton or Trump and Obama and Biden, tell them just to take a look at this trial and the summaries that are in it and the conclusions that will emerge. I just hope Sussman's convicted so people don't have a reason to look away.

The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. They're chanting Paul O'Neill's name. These terrific fans here in New York, Paul O'Neill just bowed his head a moment ago. That is the fans chanting Paul O'Neill as he said goodbye to his career.

It put him in. Put him in the Yankee, basically the Yankee Hall of Fame into Monument Park. And that was in 2001. That was game five of the Yankees World Series. With me right now is a man who knows all about that.

He's friends with him, and he wrote a book with him. It is Jack Curry. The book is called Paul O'Neill: What Nine Innings of What Baseball Taught Me Swing and a Hit. Jack, congratulations on another book. Brian, I appreciate it.

Always good to talk to you. Yes, and it's a great one. Of course, this is a great time to be an anchor on Yes, you might have noticed. The Yankees are putting together a season with no one expecting, am I right? thirty two and thirteen is hard to predict.

I will say this, I had them for ninety five wins before the season. That was my prediction. I thought they'd go to the postseason. But Brian, in some respects, they have clearly exceeded expectations. I mean, the guy who pitched last night, Nestor Cortez, is a thirty sixth round pick who's pitching like an all-star.

Their bullpen, until it got decimated with some injuries, I think had been the strength of the team. And then Aaron Judge is an MVP who was playing like an MVP. What about the short stop? What has he done? Kinder Falefa is a contact hitter.

Who is athletic and plays steady defense. And I think what they like about him, Brian, is the first thing I said. He puts the ball in play. He's not going to hit for power. He's probably not going to drive in a ton of runs.

But for the most part, he'll catch the balls that are hit to him, give you some steady defense, and he won't strike out. That's kind of what the Yankees are trying to get a little bit away from. And adding Donaldson and Kiner Faleffa and then bringing back Rizzo, those guys are all above-average contact hitters. They've already got a lot of strikeout guys in the lineup. You need some guys to put the ball in play.

And Glaber now is playing like he did two years ago, right? He looks better. Everything is trending in the right direction for him. He's hitting the ball harder. He's hitting the ball in the air more.

He's got seven homers already this year. He only hit nine last year. And it looks like Brian he's made some hitting adjustments. He's talked about both his lower half and the use of his hands more. And just seems like he He's more comfortable at the plate.

I think the shortstop thing hurt him last year. He's not a shortstop. I think being back at second base as well has made him more comfortable. No question.

So you write this book of Paul O'Neill now as part of the broadcasting team. You know, obviously people who watched him play at your Yankee fans really appreciate him. They should know he started with the Reds.

So before we even get into that, I think the first time I remember Paul O'Neill's name being mentioned, being that I grew up in New York, was when they asked Darrell Strawberry, how do you feel like being on the All-Star team? And he said, I'm not the best right fielder in the league. Paul O'Neill is. And I thought, Paul O'Neill, because I haven't been watching much of the Reds lately. I'm like, who's Paul O'Neill?

And he was a standout player. Uh, when he was traded to the Yankees, already established for Roberto Kelly, correct? Interesting, yes, Brian, you got it right. And it's interesting that you say that because there are some people who do want to forget about the Reds portion of his career. He won a World Series there.

I interviewed all four of his managers for this book, including Pete Rose. Pete Rose Glows and gushes when he talks about O'Neill and his athleticism and what he was able to do both offensively and defensively. And yes, he had a career before he got to New York. It's just that. His New York career ended up being much more productive and profitable than what he did in his years in Cincinnati.

And so he wanted to play in the Reds. And he's surrounded by Pete Rose, the player, Dave Concepcion, the shortstop, right? I mean, Tony Perez was still around. The Reds still had the remnants of that legendary team.

Well, imagine, Brian, he's a kid who was born in the Midwest in the early sixties, and you're right. He's a teenager with the big red machine when they win their championships. And then he debuts with the team in 1985. And you just mentioned some of the players, including Rose, who are still around. And in chapter one, we talk about him kind of being the accidental teammate because eight days into his career, Rose breaks Ty Cobb's all-time hit record.

And O'Neill is running out onto the field thinking, this guy's poster used to be on my bedroom wall.

Now, what am I supposed to do? Give him a hug, give him a handshake?

So, yeah, we cover a lot of his Cincinnati career in the first couple of chapters.

So, he comes over to the Yankees and he joins what would be one of the greatest runs in modern baseball history with this team who has 27 championships. And I believe Paul O'Neill won four. Here's a moment, game five, 1996. The Yankees hadn't been to the World Series in so long. They finally get there and had to overcome a deficit to beat the Atlanta Braves.

Here's a moment in game five: Paul O'Neill with a game seven catch with a bad hamstring, cut 41. 0-2 from Wetland. Into right field. O'Neill is there. Ball game.

Yankees win. One to nothing as Wetland saves it for Andy. Yeah. O'Neill with that back. That hamstring we've been talking about, full extension at the end of that play.

Comes up limping.

So he was an all-round player, great arm, excellent outfielder who hit line drives, right? Couple of things, yes, line drives, but a couple of things about that play, real quickly, Brian. First of all, anyone who's ever at a Yankee game, Paul O'Neill had this habit of while he was in the outfield of practicing his swing. Before that at bat, Louis Polonia was a hitter. Paul was practicing his swing.

It's the ninth inning of a World Series game. The Yankee coaches, Jose Cardinal, were trying to get in touch with him because they wanted to shift him. About seven steps to the right. They finally got to him before Polonia hit that ball. And I'm telling you, if he does not move, Brian, he doesn't catch that ball.

So, yes. Paul was an all-around player, and he's very grateful that he peeked into the dugout and made sure that he moved to his right to catch that ball.

Well, besides that, you don't remember much about the play. Jack Curry, our guest.

So, Jack, the thing is amazing, that's when Mariana Rivera was a setup man, and John Wetland was the closer, right? I used to call those I was working for the New York Times and I used to call those games Litterly games because after six innings, if you weren't beating the Yankees, you lost because it was Mo for seven and eight. It was Wetland who sometimes would make it a high wire act, but he would usually handle the ninth year rate. I wonder if the Yankees might end up doing a little something like that this year. They got this kid, Michael King, who can pitch multiple innings.

And you never want to compare someone to Mariano of ninety six because that was off the charts. But I've thought that with this kid King, we could see the Yankees in late innings letting him handle a seventh and an eighth. Instead of Chapman? Chapman Bryan has really struggled. He's on the IL right now.

I actually think when Chapman comes back, he should not be the closer. I think Clay Holmes, who's got a super Scoreless streak of 23 straight innings. Your eyes and the numbers are telling you that Holmes is their best option to finish games right now. Paul O'Neill, the name of the book is Nine Innings of What Baseball Taught Me. It's about Paul O'Neill.

Jack Curry wrote it with Paul, and it begins with Paul with his relationship with his dad. His dad was a pitcher, but worked with Paul O'Neal about doing one thing: hitting line drives. And he said, and something else, parents listening right now, you got your kids in Memorial Day tournaments, baseball, soccer, lacrosse. He said he never land-based him at any point, no matter how hard the loss or how bad he played. Dad always stayed positive with him.

Yeah, and Paul said, and he had a funny line. I mean, this is his line that's in the book. He said, I was o I always look forward to get into the Ford Ranchero after the game because dad was usually going to take me for some ice cream.

So, right, there are there are different ways to coach kids. Paul's dad, and and I know you've coached coached your kids. Paul's dad was was about positive, was about optimism, and he was about having knowledge, Brian. As you said, he was a minor league pitcher. He knew what it Took to advance to that level.

And he told Paul when he was five or six years old, you're going to be a major leaguer. And Paul says, when your dad tells you that at that age, you you you just You're you're a kid, you're excited. But he said he he truly believes that his father saw that kind of potential in him. Ver ver very interesting.

So he also said this, he learned to he learned to hit and he would take tweaks, but he d wouldn't change his swing. And Pete Rose was the same way. Lou Pinella tried to change Paul O'Neill, didn't he? Yeah, we covered that in chapter two. And what happened with Lou and Paul, they both admit that they remind Each other of each other.

And Lou had a way that he thought somebody like O'Neill should hit. 6'4, 215. This big, powerful guy should. Get the ball in the air and hit more home runs. And he had some weight shift techniques that he wanted Paul to do with his lower half.

That was not who Paul was. Paul was more, at least when he was in Cincinnati, kind of stood tall, wanted to hit line drives, hit them all over the field.

So they ended up clashing. They did win a World Series together in 1990, but I interviewed Lou for the book too. And I think it was a case, Brian, of two really strong-willed Hitting minds just didn't gel. They thought that the path to Paul being a great player, they had different ways to get to that path. Yeah, and the other thing about Paul O'Neal, he was one of the few who Steinbrenner loved, right?

Never would get under his skin. I know it was the last part of his life, but he just loved the way Paul O'Neill played. go back to nineteen ninety seven, Brian, and the Yankees get knocked out by Cleveland. But in the ninth inning of that final game in the postseason, he hits the ball up the wall against Jose Mesa, and he hit it so hard That he had to stumble and sprawl and kind of awkwardly dive into second to get a double. In fact, we have to.

Hey, Jack, do you want to hear it? Same. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.

CUD 43, game five. Into right center field. Christin will not get there off. The wall off the bat of O'Neill. Trying for two, sink for the die.

Farlane. Neil may be hurt. It looked like his right knee curled up. Under on that slide. A brilliant slide to the inside of the bag.

He didn't catch the bag with his feet. He caught it with his right hand.

So now you can paint the picture even better.

Well, first of all, it's great hearing that. And Joe Buck and Tim McCarver all over it. Tim McCarver, phenomenal announcer. I think he added a little more elegance to what Ball of Flight actually was. It was an all out survival of the fittest I've got to stumble and crawl and dive to get to this base before they tag me.

Bernie Williams flew out after that. But the point of the slide was George Steinbrenner saw that. And from that moment on, he called Paul the warrior. And we talk about this in the book, Brian. Paul didn't like that initially.

He thought it was a little hokey, a little cartoon character-esque. Why is he calling me the warrior? And then the more people around him talked to him about it, they said, Do you realize how demanding George Steinbrenner is? Do you realize that when he tags you with a name like that, where he is elevating you in his eyes? And then Paul grew to love it.

Yeah, of course. Tell that to Dave Winfield. He would have loved to have heard that, right? 100%. Yeah.

So here is O'Neill talking about what I it's the best season I've ever seen just in in my lifetime. I was actually doing a lot of sports here at Fox News at the time, and it's 1998. The Yankee team just refused to lose, and then they just walked away with the World Series. I think it was San Diego that year, right? They swept San Diego.

Yeah, I remember watching David Cohn did not leave the dugout, watch everyone else cheer. I never asked him about that, why he never left the dugout and while everybody else celebrated, but they won it in San Diego. Here's Paul O'Neill talking about that team, Cut 44. In my mind, it was the closest to the perfect team that I was ever part of. A lot of teams are really good on paper, and then injuries set in, and guys don't have the years they're supposed to have.

But all of a sudden, this season started, and then once we got going, it was I've never seen a team go into a city looking to win two out of three, or three out of three. I mean, it's just like you would win two out of three, and then you would expect to sweep, and you would go on to the next series. It was really an amazing thing.

So, I mean, he loved talking about that team like everybody does, right? That's where Joe Torrey takes over, Clueless Joe. Um and he it becomes pretty apparent that that he is the right man at the right time. Brian, you've given me a perfect segue. I know I popped on here to talk about Paul O'Neill and our book, Swingin' a Hit, but I'm actually doing a book on the 98 Yankees that will be out in April because it'll be the 20.

Five-year anniversary of that team.

So that's my next project.

So I appreciate you bringing that up. You owe me a favor, Jack. Jack Curry, Jack Curry, our guests.

So here's the thing. You picked a guy that people in Cincinnati and New York appreciated and opponents feared. I get it. But he didn't hit 500 home runs. He didn't hit 350.

Even though his swing was compared to Ted Williams by his dad, and they had conversations with Ted Williams, and he had brushes with greatness, with Rose and the Reds, and with the Yankees, he's not the best player of all time. What made you think that Paul O'Neill is somebody I got to focus on? Brian, you just talked about some of it. I think Paul O'Neill had a great career. And you're right, he's not a Hall of Famer.

He would say the same thing himself. But how many players had over 2,000 hits? Had almost 300 home runs, have five World Series rings, have a batting title, but then I hate to use this, but I use it because people will get the reference. He's got a Forest Gump quality to his career. Was on the field within a week of his debut with Pete Rose's record-breaking hit.

Saw Mariano Rivera and Derek Cheater as rookies, guys who were first ballot Hall of Famers, Mariano, unanimously. Saw Joe Torrey come in and get his first World Series ring after 30 plus years. You mentioned the connection with Ted Williams. He's got the connection with the Big Red Machine. He and Bernie Williams, again, another, Bernie was a borderline Hall of Famer.

Not saying that Paul was, but there's so many ways we could intersect this book. And Brian, honestly, that's one of the reasons I was able to convince Paul to do it. He didn't want to just talk about himself. But when I said we can bring in all of these other people who impacted your career, that really interested him. And I will say this, Jack.

I didn't cover the team all the time, only when it became a national story. And my first job was sports phone.

So I used to go into the locker room when Stump Merrill was coaching the Yankees. Yeah. And Moss was the baby bombers back then. But I always found out Paul O'Neill was always in a bad mood. He always seemed angry at the media.

Does he talk about his relationship with the media? Why he, outside the Jack Currys of the world and maybe the Michael Kays, he wasn't that political. Pleasant ever. we talk about that. And I describe a scene in nineteen ninety four where he's hitting four hundred in the middle of June.

Brian, that's a huge story. And if you're the beat writer, that's your story every day. And approaching Paul was tricky because he didn't want to talk about it. And he says in the book that I always used to tell writers, nothing I say to you before the game is going to help me get a hit in the game. I think he was so locked in that he didn't want to Get in his own head about what he might be doing.

Paul did believe that if you went to the plate with less clutter, you could be a better hitter. Hey, Jack, congratulations. Another great project, another great book. Picking up Paul O'Neill and Jack Curry, write nine innings of what baseball taught me: swinging a hit. Good job, Jack.

Thanks so much. And continued you. Have a great season. I love watching you. Thanks for having me on, Brian.

Always good to talk to you. Take care. Yeah, check out Jack always every day on Yes. This is Brian Kill Me Show. Back in a moment.

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead. At some point today, we're going to get a very detailed TikTok up to the minute. Bill Melusian said our reporter on the ground that what happened to Uvaldia at that elementary school a couple of days ago as we get more and more details and how bad that press conference was yesterday and two in the afternoon. The officer failed to even mention how many people they did get out through exterior windows.

I mean, that would be something you would reach for, let alone, and people say, well, you overemphasize that. They chose to forget it. I want to squeeze another call. Paul in Boston. Paul, going to be talking about things to harden our schools and make sure this doesn't happen again.

What ideas do you have? Good evening, Bri. Good morning, Brian. I came out of a charm to tell you these three quick points. The FBI went to see the Parking shooter thirteen times.

Monitoring is the illusion of preserving and protecting. People that are psychotic and sociopaths tell you what you want to hear. Adam Lamza walked into Newtown because his mom worked there. They just let him walk in. And putting the cop isn't going to work because they'll just shoot the cop right through his bulletproof vest that puts the police in danger.

What Newtown did, it's time for the cities and the districts to recognize this. You have to create a one entrance. Yeah. Separate bulletproof doors in the front and the back with a hidden metal detector. If you go into one of our schools to kill one of our kids, you're not getting in.

Brian, there's been 900 shootings since Newtown. The baby formula is locked up in the front of the grocery store. Our money's in a bank vault, but our most precious treasure, our children, are wide open targets. That's a great point. Man, that was well put, Paul.

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