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Or visit weShareHealth.org and take a look for yourself. Garth McCallum. Here, anchor of the story, and always great to see him. Martha, it's been a while. Yeah, it has been a while.
Has it been intentional? Like, do you think we needed some distance and some space? It was all cooling off, period.
Well, weren't you at the football game on Sunday? Did I see? No, I was at the U.S. Open Tennis Men's Club on Sunday, which was incredible. Yeah.
Are you a tennis fan or is tennis? Oh, yeah, I'm a huge tennis fan. Do you play? I do play. Yeah.
Are you good? I'm pretty good. Yeah. I say that comfortably, thinking that we probably won't ever play tennis against each other. But I, yeah, I'm playing tonight.
I play like probably three times a week. Get out of here. You play three times a week? I try, yeah. Yeah.
Will you go down by yourself with just a racket and play pickup tennis? No, honestly, what I do a lot is play in like live ball and point play clinics.
So like, you know, they're scheduled.
So you just show up. You know, there'll be like a live ball clinic at 8 a.m.
So you show up and there's like 12 people there and it's point play.
So you're playing, you know, kind of like a round robin, but it's not, it's quick. It's really quick. It's like a cardio tennis live play. Is it a club you're in? Yes.
Just going out to the park. No, I'm playing at a club. Yes. Okay. Yes.
And there's like a pro there, and he like runs, you know, runs it.
So that way you don't have to be like, oh, I can't make it. We need a fourth. You know, it's just like people, and you get to know the people you're playing with, and the people I play with are really good. Most of them are better than me.
So it's great. What a great workout. Yeah, it's terrific. I love it.
So that's the one thing about pickleball. It's not the best workout.
Sometimes it is. Yeah, I play tennis in the summer and in the like on the shoulder seasons, and then I play paddle tennis. In the winter. What does that mean? Not Padell.
No, not Padel. Paddle. Not pickle. Just old school traditional paddle, winter paddle. Are you worried that pickleball will ruin your tennis game?
Um I just love tennis and I don't have time to like devote to getting good at Two different things at the same time.
So I play, you know, I try to work out in the morning and then I try to play tennis like two or three times a week because I love it. Yeah. So you saw Padell, right? Yes, I've seen Pidel. Yeah, I haven't tried it.
Have you watched it or just saw it on video? I've seen it in person, yes. And what do you think? It's fast. It's fast.
It looks interesting. I just love the long sweep of a tennis court. It's like a beautiful game to me. That's why I've been going to the U.S. Open since I was a little kid, and I love watching great tennis.
So you're not impressed with Pidel? I mean, I know it's a really hot sport. People are into it, but like I said, I only have so much time to devote to getting good at something.
So I focus on tennis and paddle first. Because you would open up your show in the story and go, look, I'm not really sure who's on the rundown. I was playing tennis and Pidel. Exactly. I had to learn how to play pickle.
Even pickle has a bad name, too. Terrible. You know what I mean? Terrible name. Do you know what's happening?
It's named after the kid's daughter, the inventor's daughter. Really? Yeah. I thought it was named for, you know, like you're kind of in a pickle because it's like a tight court and everything. I tried to make sense of it too, but it turns out it's the nickname of his daughter.
Nice.
So if I created a sport, it would be called Boo Boo. Right. Possibly, Martha. And yeah, I think we should not shut the door on that. First off, I guess got to talk about I mean, I've never seen a story outside the pandemic when it happened because that was a virus that came out of nowhere.
It's come up like we're dealing with AI now. First, the data centers, I thought, wow, it's a bit of a mania. And then you see a survey and say 70, 30 against data centers. Where did that come from? Yeah.
And now we hear. that AI is going to kill us all.
So, I mean, on that level, it really smacks of political opportunism. Especially when you hear Barack Obama over the weekend. Exactly. We're, you know, 49 days out from the midterms. I think that it has been made into a political football for a very clear purpose.
That being said, it doesn't mean that the other incredible opportunities and also potential dangers don't exist. But clearly, I think that politicians are taking advantage of the fact that people don't have a deep understanding of what this does mean for our lives, and they're just tapping into fear. And fear is a very powerful tool when it comes to, I mean, look at COVID. You pointed it out.
So, fear is very powerful when it comes to aligning people politically. How many years have we spent listening to politicians in Washington argue about how to make health care insurance more affordable? Obamacare was supposed to fix it. Then we needed bigger government subsidies to make Obamacare affordable. Those subsidies expired.
And guess what? People are paying more. Again, at some point. Maybe the question isn't, how do we keep fixing the same system? Maybe the question is, what else is out there?
That's why I want you to take a look at WeShare Health. WeShare isn't health insurance, it's a non-profit Christian healthcare sharing organization, and their members pay up to 60% less than they would for Obamacare. You still get access to a nationwide PPO network and over a million physicians, plus unlimited telehealth.
So stop waiting for Washington or the insurance companies to make healthcare affordable for you. Do your own research. See what your options are. Call 1-88-WeShare for a free quote. That's 1-888-WESHARE.
Or visit weSharehealth.org and take a look for yourself.
So I want you to hear Elon Musk weighed in yesterday on the O-In podcast. And here's what he said where it stands, because you have everybody, you know, all the CEOs are weighing in. Jensen Wong weighs in from NVIDIA. But here's Musk yesterday, cut seventeen. The danger of AI is Uh it's very significant at this point.
That that that we we need to do better with AI safety. Or or we have Have um at this point, exponentially increasing risk with the AI models. But a lot of people from Anthropic. telling you that their models are very dangerous. I think we should believe them.
It certainly is like some crazy 4D chest to, you know, say there's whatever 10% chance of annihilating. Humanity, but by the way, um how much allocation would you like in our IPO? See, there's the money thing, too, involved in that. Absolutely. I mean, I think obviously Elon Musk is a very smart guy.
And by the way, Elon Musk and Sam Altman and Dario has been having this battle for a long time. I mean, I remember reading two opposing pieces in the Wall Street Journal editorial page like probably five years ago. Musk saying that he thought it could annihilate the world, and I believe it was Altman on the other side saying that he thought it had this amazing potential, which I think Musk believes too. But Musk has been arguing for understanding and regulation on this for many years.
So I agree with you. The reason that it has suddenly now become this hot thing that is in front of everyone, I think, is that the midterms are coming. But the weird thing to me is that the way that someone needs to get a little more specific in how they're describing it. You can't just tell people, well, you know, humanity has a 10% chance of not being in existence anymore in the next decade and not explain. Why?
You know, exactly how do you see this playing out? Or do they not really know either how it might play out? But they do know that there will be this recursive self-improvement, which is, I think, a buzzword that everybody should be aware of. Recursive self-improvement, as far as I understand it, and I know there are a lot of people smarter than me who can explain it, but is when these programs begin sort of having their own intelligence and finding a way to reach a goal that is independent of the person who's inputting information. That is a scary scary thing.
And I think we're at that problem. I mean, just listening to some of these podcasts and hearing some of the testimony. Brett Baer, who is a mutual friend of ours, I think he probably likes you better more on that later. But he sent me Anthony Robbins. On Instagram, who said that his agent, which by the way, I got to find him.
I'm serious about this. He has an agent working for him every day, hitting him with his things to do list and things he should accomplish and other things.
So he's able to program that. And this is. And this is not a person who takes like a certain percentage of his salary and did his last contract. Do you believe that?
So he basically said this: Do you want a robot? Elon Musk and other people that I know you like have a robot. And he said, No, not at this point. I don't want a robot.
So this agent went online, invested in crypto with other agents, bought a robot and sent it to his house. Think about that.
So people say, well, the agent can only be as smart as humanity. Not really. A little smarter. By the way, much smarter than me because I don't even know what crypt. I'm not effectively able to invest in crypto.
So that's what this guy figured this stuff out. And then you have that one experiment on The Daily where they said that they did that thing with. With Huggy Face, where they went online and they weren't supposed to use the internet to do this experiment and they found a way to get the internet on, combine with other agents, and go way beyond its mandate. And they didn't notice for a week until they looked back and they figured everything out forensically what was happening. Yeah, I mean, it's freaky, but what it is, my way of understanding it, is that it's objective-based, right?
So it has a job, it's given a task, and it will find its way around the other things. The scariest example that I have covered with regard to this are these chatbots that talk to kids and have convinced them to kill themselves.
Okay. And the reason is that we've been dealing with that for a few years. Absolutely. And that this young person, you know, started asking questions about how to commit suicide and then said things like, should I talk to my parents? Should I get a counselor?
And it said, no, they won't understand because it understood the task, the objective initially. As set as how to get to that objective. And that is truly frightening, but it's an analogy that I think works for a lot of these things in terms of it won't stop trying, it will find a way. And Martha, I want to take a break, and I want to talk about a run. But I do want to ask you: do you side with David Sachs and President Trump, who says nothing to worry about?
This is an extreme, this is a politically motivated movement, and the president calls it a hoax, but it's just an oversimplification. Or do you go with the CEO? The CEO of Anthropic and the CEO of ChatGBT. I tend to err on the side, as I did with COVID and Y2K and so many of these things, as thinking that it's overblown. I think it's overblown.
However, do I think there are things we need to be concerned about and need to get the guardrails around? Absolutely.
