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From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kelmead. Hi, everyone. Get ready. It's going to be a big hour.

Tianelo Dosher will be with us in Economics Communist for the Watson Examiner. We know the market is up 330 points right now after a down day yesterday. We also have a deficit that did not make the market happy. We'll discuss that as Scott Bessett makes it clear as Treasury Secretary. He says we've got to grow our way out of it, and that's indeed possible.

We've got a big show on Sunday. Don't forget One Nation coming up Sunday at 10 o'clock Eastern Time. Amongst my first guest, Rick Perry, among my other guests, Joe Manchin. It's going to be great.

So let's get to the big three now. Number three. I tried to write a column through the eyes of two student athletes who were kind of speaking out against biological males in girls slash women sports and six days later they decided it wasn't gonna run. And that got him to quit. More signs Wokwan is not done as the WNBA take another scalp, as longtime sports writer Matt Culkins calls it quits by siding with Sophie Cunningham, and his editors didn't like it.

Are we truly an election away from going back to pronoun paranoia? Number two. This is going to be the greatest coordinated economic isolation in the history of the world. And we are going to them and saying, you are either with us or against us. You want this murderous regime to end.

I do. Digging in, Trump tightening the economic screws, and Iran considers upping the military option thanks to China and Russia's help. We can stop that, so let's do it now before they strike. before the midterm. Bottom line is we're going to win Michigan.

Let me tell you why we're going to win Michigan. El Syed has brought in new energy and new talent into the Democratic Party. Trump has so bungled the Michigan economy. Right. He's the governor, isn't he?

Chuck Schumer, who endorsed Stevens and endorsed. Uh the just about everybody that lost. Including the governor of Maine, who lost to Graham Platiner. But Chuck Schumer says midterm sprint begins as both sides mobilize. The GOP theme is to stop the socialists.

The Dems refrain remains the same. Have everybody Socialists involved in the big tent to stop Trump. But Chuck Schumer is a guy that there's no way he stays majority leader if they get the majority in the Senate. And I don't think it's happening. And what he just said, he does not believe.

El Saeed has brought in a lot of energy. Yeah, to a bunch of overeducated white people, not to minorities. He's already trailing by four in early polls to Mike Rogers, who barely lost to Alyssa Slotkin, who's moderate in a purple state. But Absul El Saeed does not get it. The guy was still campaigning with Hassan Piker up until the last day of the election.

People told him he's saying anti-Semitic things. He believed we deserve 9-11. You want to stay away from that guy? He wouldn't do it. But now Chuck Schumer says: even though I didn't push for him, even though I gave money to Stevens, I'm pooing for him because he's got such great energy.

Here's Abdul El-Sayed yesterday talking about Mike Rogers. Being afraid of Donald Trump, cut seven. But he does not want to talk about any of those things because he knows that he is stuck in a bind. Every single time he shows up to any conversation that's at all objective, he's going to have to answer for Trump's ridiculous policies, which he can't answer to without pissing off Daddy Trump.

So here he is in this absurd bind, and it's better for him to just dodge.

So he's continued to do that. Instead, he takes softball interviews from Fox News or News Nation or News Max, whatever that is, and he's trying to avoid having to actually answer for the public policy of our country right now.

Okay, that's an answer. But the thing about Michigan, the president, I think, won it two or three times. And why he's done that is a lot to do with car manufacturing and manufacturing overall. Oil and gas bringing it back and no longer incentivizing electric cars and also trying to get trade settled down with Canada. We're about to pull off a massive deal with Canada to rebalance trade.

Already, we've gotten three or four major manufacturers out of the country. Out of Canada into America. Also, Honda from Japan into America. YouTube Car Manufacturing, Michigan's gonna love it. I'm not saying it's gonna be anything more than a three or four point race, but Mike Rogers is his own guy.

Susan Collins is all her own woman. Mike Rogers, more of a Bush-type Republican, more McCain-type Republican. But Mike Rogers is a tough guy from the military with the FBI who's on the Select Committee on Intelligence. He's not going to rattle in any debate with some wackjob Islamic extremist, who this guy seems to be very comfortable with. And one of the reasons I say that is you would think he would start broadening out his image.

And worrying about how he's being perceived. But Abdul Eli said. will now be at a conference. He's slated to speak at the Islamic Society of North American annual convention over Labor Day weekend, joining a speaker rasha that includes Muslim religious leaders with histories of controversial air quotes remarks. Controversial figures like Barik Beri, who prayed for Mujahideen in the Palestine and Lebanon, using his commonly associated with Islamic fighters.

There's another guy, Hassan Kwazini, has also attended appealing is going to attend, appealing to God to grant victory to our brothers in Iran. Wouldn't was that a conference you would go to if you wanted to win an election? How about going to a conference in Texas with Yassir Qadi, who has previously made remarks denying the Holocaust? Is that a conference that you would go to and be on the speaking roster? And don't tell me that you don't have to answer for everybody that's there.

But if you know these people are there, you don't go. I wouldn't get permission to go. You know, if they were, I don't know, Christian extremists or whatever, if there are any.

So this guy is not broadening out. And Chuck Schumer can say what he wants. He cannot be optimistic. About that. And what it what I think Mike Rogers is doing, he's saying right now.

If you are a Democrat, you got a place to go. You got a place to go.

So I think that's important. The other thing is the decline of Gavin Newsom. Do you see this guy? I've never seen a guy who never, he was running for president for at least three years. He was running for president when Joe Biden was president.

So and by the way, he goes out of his way not to insult anyone, including Joe Biden. He wants to make sure everybody's in his corner. But he can't answer the simplest questions. He's got no instinct because he's got no core. He will do whatever's popular.

He'll act more conservative if he has to, more liberal if he has to, always politically correct. Here he's asked a very good question. Very simple question. Should be a very easy answer. Cut 17.

Would you be in the We'll see. I don't know. That's a difficult question to answer. I mean, so I have no idea. What?

You don't think you'd be a good president? You could say, I don't know if I'm going to run, but I'm convinced I got the skill set to be successful. I've seen enough presidents in action, really studied them. I got a sense of history. I've seen what I don't want to do that Donald Trump does, what I don't want to do that Joe Biden does.

I do want to implicate this about Bill Clinton. I love what Barack Obama did here. There's so many fun ways to answer that. But having, then you end with, if you don't want to commit yet, you end with, I don't know if I could do it. But I really think I got the experience to be able to handle it.

And I love that. That is to me the best question ever. Not if I'll run, but how would I do if I got the job? My goodness. Every senator in Washington would tell you exactly that there would be a great president.

And they might follow up and say, Of course, I, you know, I wouldn't be, you know, of course, I'm not going to run for president. And then eventually they all eventually say, I am running for president. But I just thought just fascinating to see politicians without instincts being unable. To answer anything. fundamentally because you're not authentic.

One thing about, you know, if I put Marco Rubio in a spot like that, if I put Donald Trump in a spot like that, if I put J.D. Vance in a spot like that, I'm trying to think on the right. AOC, I don't think so. Would she be a good president? She would absolutely say yes.

I don't know how many people on the left would Governor Bashir say yes. I think that'd be a good question, of course he, I think he would. Shapiro absolutely pictures himself as president. Sadly, I don't think he's going to be president because of the anti-Semitism that I see right now, especially in the Democratic Party. I just don't see it.

The guys that the people that hate Bernie Sanders is Jewish, but he just despises Judaism and despises Israel.

So he'll be all right. But for Chuck's humor, you got a mess on your hands. Here's you, you at Cut Twenty One. The DSA is the invasion of the body snatchers in the Democratic Party trace. They've got Troy Jackson, DSAer in Maine.

They've got Angela Nixon, DSAer in Florida, Tell Arico, DSAer in Texas. They've got Peggy Flanagan, DSAer, running for Senate in Minnesota. They've got, of course, Abdul El-Sayed, who's wearing a Hassan Piker bidey suit, DSAer in Michigan.

So Chuck Schumer might want to ignore the fact that his party is in the grips of a radical anti-constitution cult. And they are very upfront about that. They want to repeal the Senate. They want to repeal everything in the Constitution. They are French revolutionaries, basically.

And your tent's got to have a flap, or it's not a tent. Yeah, and Chuck Schumann, they don't want you.

So, why are you sticking up for them? You're already on the record going for a different candidate in Maine, different candidate in Michigan, different candidate in Florida. Those are for the Senate seats.

So, my goodness, please. I want to talk about Iran real quick. We look like we're going in an economic full press, not a military full press. Scott Besson basically said it. The president's not really into the war mode right now.

My prediction, exactly like the Washington Post columnist today, Mark Thiessen, had it before. You got to take my word on that. And that is that they are going to wait for late September, October. They're going to target our American bases, try to kill Americans, and they want to destroy any chance Donald Trump's party has of holding majorities. And that's their way of getting back at him and also sending a message to the next president: you don't want to mess with us.

Don't do what this guy did. Which is the only one to take them on directly and expose them as a terror regime that hates their own people like they are today. Here's Scott Besson last night on CNBC. I don't know why he's going on there all. We asked him to come on.

He should be coming on here. Cut twenty seven. This is going to be the greatest coordinated economic isolation in the history of the world. And we are going to them and saying, you are either with us or against us. You want this murderous regime to end.

This will work. It worked in Venezuela once we put up the blockade. It is working in Cuba right now. And it is going to work in Iran. And we are going to collapse this regime.

Absolutely.

So they've got to stop the oil smuggling, the cash transfers, the currency swaps, the ship registries, exchange houses, and start picking up those shadow fleets. Believe it or not, the Yemeni pirates, the Somali pirates, picked up an Iranian so-called shadow fleet member merchant ship full of oil.

So they got stopped there and they go right to China. I don't know why we're letting. Russians use the Caspian Sea to rearm. Iran, I don't know why we're letting them have it. It makes no sense.

We've got to find a way to stop that. And if they just tell China you're not allowed to bring your ship in there, the dual-use things, explosives are being used as military as weapons, turn around. Simple as that. We're in the middle of a war. If you don't want to be a part of it, turn your ship around.

And don't say you're not doing things when you are. If they want to jeopardize their meeting in America in a month, go ahead.

So I think that we're eventually going back to battling them. And I would love to see that there was an operation in play to start arming the people so they could fight for their own country. General Jack Keene joined me earlier. I asked him a lot of these same questions. He's the best in the business, along not only a great analyst, but he is in touch with everybody.

From uh the IDF Middle Eastern contacts. as well as the President of the United States, Cut 29. We're really talking about shutting down everybody who does business with them. And we can start right with the countries on their border. Pakistan, just this month.

made a deal with Iran to increase their trade. as a result of it. And it's no secret that Iran has increased their exports and transit through Pakistan into into their two ports that they have to maintain some revenue source for themselves. And of course, Pakistan is supposed to be an ally of ours. Pat, why why is Pakistan doing that?

Flat out. Present Call up Pakistan. Did you just cut a trade deal with Iran?

Now, I know you're in communications with them, that's why you're the mediator, but you just cut a trade deal with Iran while they're bombing all the Gulf State neighbors. While shutting down the world's oil supply, and you're doing a trade deal with them, I mean, this is the worst double-agent work ever. That can't happen. And if you want to know how to pick up the pressure when it comes to. Economic and military pressure.

Mark Espero, who I thought was a real good Secretary of Defense under Trump, I know they didn't get along. Cut 33. I think there's a good chance it could pay off, but it will take time and we will have to sacrifice a little bit. The Iranian people will sacrifice a little bit, but it's a far better option than committing ground troops. And it's a far better option than retreating from the strait and leaving it to Iran.

All right, I'm going to take your time out. I'm going to leave some time on the other end to get some calls. Also, I do want to talk about the economy leading up to. Tiana coming on, breaking down where she thinks we're heading economically. All right, you're listening to Brian Kilmee Chill.

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Over 500,000 new listings every month based on average new for sale and rental listings, February 2024 through January 2025. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmead. There's a great spirit for what's going on, especially in light of what's happening with all these crazy theories and policies and lunatics that are running. You have lunatics that would destroy the country. And they're being put in the Democrat Party.

I think they'll be wiped out in the election. 'Cause the people are too smart to allow that to happen. It's never worked. In a thousand years that stuff has never worked and it's not going to work now. But they're not even smart people.

You know, you watch some of them, half of them can't even speak properly. That was President of the United States. Was he talking to Michael Cohen there?

So it was the weirdest conversation that I heard anyway.

So Michael Cohen is on the same affiliate we're on, 77WABC. He's got a weekend show. And he testified against Trump. He said the most horrific things about Trump. He was his longtime fixer, good time friend, extremely loyal, legal mind.

But when it came to going to the White House in 2017, he did not make the cut. They didn't want to bring him. They did not think that he fit in in Washington. They were 100% right.

So next thing you know, they raid his house and he felt as though he had legal bills and that Donald Trump didn't pay his legal bills.

So he ends up flipping and becoming a state's witness, writing books and doing podcasts. Everything's against Trump. He's a con man. He's a cheat. I know because I had to cover for him.

And somehow Donald Trump turned the page and talked to him last night. I. No idea why, but it's good for him as a person to do it because you don't want to waste your time with grudges. It takes too much energy, and usually other people don't care. Here's more from Michael Cohen, and this is Cup 51.

I want to go back to 2016 if we can, because you and I have obviously traveled a pretty rocky road together. Do you remember, sir, when I went on CNN with Brianna Keeler and she told me that you were underwater in the polls, and I responded with those famous two words, says who, which became some worldwide meme and advocate, and then they weaponized you like nobody's ever been weaponized, like few have been. Maybe just you and I, sir. And you. Yeah, me too, but I don't consider mine, you know, mine mine was at a level that nobody's ever seen before.

But they weaponized you, they weaponized a lot of people. And I respect the fact that you recanted. Everything you said, and that's a big That's a big thing that you did. Because he wants to get his conviction overturned. And this will help.

What does Michael Cohen want? Michael Cohen wants a pardon.

So I don't know what that does for his career. He's always going to get labeled. I don't know if he wants to go back to being a lawyer. I don't think it's possible. But that was the strangest thing when I think that Michael Cohn was going to be speaking to Donald Trump.

I'll tell you, it wasn't the warmest conversation though. You don't have, like, hey, sorry, this happened. Let's get past it. You called me a con man. None of that was happening.

It was Michael Cohen bringing up some obscure incidents that nobody cares about, and Donald Trump didn't even pretend to have remembered. Says who, the famous two words, who said that? I don't remember anything about says who being a buzzphrase. But that's the President of the United States. He got over it.

He's done. I don't think Rosie O'Donnell will be next. He's got, it's not a matter of him being out of office. He's got too much to do. But he does have one less enemy now.

And that certainly is good. Uh when we come back, we talk about the economy, the burgeoning deficit, and where we go from here if oil and gas becomes tough to get out of both straits, the Red Sea as well as the Hormuz Strait. You listen to Brian Kilmeet show. Did you know Fox News has a wine shop? Did you also know you can get ahead and start on your Christmas shopping?

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A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Killmeat Show. The 40 trillion is a big number. It is smaller when we look at the publicly traded amount because our Social Security funds and other government entities hold a substantial amount. And what we're going to do, we're going to have to grow our way out of this.

And as I talked about at G20 in Asheville, we are going to talk about the U.S. growth strategy and encourage the rest of the world to come along with us.

So that is Scott Besson talking about the $40 trillion number, which is the deficit continues to grow. And now it's a number that just seems. impossible to pay off along with the interest rate that's involved with the debt. Tiana Lo Dosher joins us now, an economics columnist for the Washington Examiner. Tiana, did it catch you by surprise, forty trillion?

Unfortunately not. The line goes up in all things, and that's great when it's the stock market, and it's bad when it's the debt. But realistically, There is a bipartisan consensus to just not touch the major entitlement programs that are driving all of this. People are going to want to blame the tax cuts for this. It's not the tax cuts.

People are going to want to say, oh, Doge was inefficient. Doge wasn't inefficient. It's that ultimately the deficit has always been a product of the entitlement state. And you just think Social Security, Medicare, forget about discretionary spending. This is non-discretionary spending.

Correct.

So just to put numbers into perspective, We spent more so last month, what we spent in defense, we spent over twice as much just on Medicaid. Not even Medicare.

So it's Isn't Medicaid supposed to be state funded? Theoretically, but that's what Obamacare was for, right?

So Obamacare helped really federalize. This expansion of Medicaid, and this was one of the big fights during one big beautiful bill: why are we having the federal government give $9 for every $1 a state contributes, especially when you have states like California that are using Medi-Cal, which is their state Medicaid, to fund illegal aliens, right? Not legal permanent residents, but illegal aliens. Ultimately, it's when you look back at every single dollar collected by the federal government last month in individual income taxes and payroll taxes, every single dollar went to Social Security and Medicare. And so this is one of the issues of you can doge all you want, you can even cut defense spending, you can gut USAID, and it does make a difference on the margin, but we're not dealing with a problem on the margin.

So they want to quickly blame the tax cuts. Congressman Tom Swazi cut 37. And the reason the deficit matters so much is because the Big Beautiful Bill. Caused the biggest deficit in the history of the United States of America. This is not just the Trump administration.

They're what's causing this major problem.

Now it's Democrats and Republicans over the past 30 years that have caused this problem. The deficit being so high causes upward pressure on the interest rates. When the interest rates are high, you can't afford to borrow money to buy a house. You can't afford to borrow money to lease a car. You can't afford money to buy things for your factory.

So upward pressure on interest rates. Caused by these deficits are causing massive inflation in our country, making things less affordable. Do you want to take on that theory?

So he's right with half of the equation, right? The reason why the 30-year fixed mortgage is so high, it's directly downstream of U.S. Treasuries. And no, Kevin Worsch can't just cut interest rates. The Fed no longer controls the long end of the curve.

So they affect the short-term treasuries, you know, one-month treasury, but they do not control anymore the 10-year, which is like that benchmark treasury.

So interest rates absolutely are. Rising right now. There is a the bond market is in a crisis right now, and that's why Scott Besson is trying to buy back treasuries because the deficit is too high, whereas wrong is about the causation.

So after one big beautiful bill, massive tax cut, right? Payroll taxes were up 7%. They're up 7% this year relative to last year when One Big Beautiful Bill was not in effect, right? Because it did spur economic growth. And if you're getting a wage increase, ultimately, this is the Laffer curve in action, right?

There's an optimal tax rate. And if you cut taxes and payroll taxes increase, that means that you were on the wrong side of the laugher curve, right? The issue is it's all spending.

So even though payroll taxes were up 7% last month. Not more than how much it costs the country to run. Yeah, exactly. And it is all Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.

Social Security was up 5% last month, Medicare up 8%, Medicaid up 8%. But yet people will tell you that Social Security is about to go belly up. And they'll say there's not enough money in Medicaid and Medicare. That's why you need the supplemental insurance on top of that. And when people say Medicaid, Medicare for all, that's just.

Ridiculous, right? Absolutely.

I mean, if you want to nash so Medicare for All would nationalize 20% of the American economy, about 20% is healthcare. And when you think about why Luigi Mangioni murdered Brian Thompson, we can say that now because he pled guilty. He said it was because of United having too many denials. How many denials do you think a federalized health care system would have to give when you think about the fact that estimates it's between $40 trillion and $75 trillion to fund Medicare for all for 10 years? Think about corporate profits, do not amount to that much in a decade.

Like net corporate take-home profits. That is less money. Than what it would take to fund Medicare for all.

So, how much worse quality of insurance would you be getting if it was Uncle Sam? By executive fiat, I mean, that's when conservatives were talking about death panels during Obamacare debate, right? That is what they were talking about. If you have a single-payer system, it's up to the government to say, you know what? We don't think 86-year-old grandma's worth having her have a heart transplant anymore.

Goodbye. Whereas under right now, say what you will about our system. And I know, like, from experience, I have a three-month-old. She came a month early.

So we just spent three weeks in the NICU. And that NICU bill was really big. And it was really big because you have an army of these wonderful nurses and doctors who are doing 24-7 care for something that, you know, 100 years ago, both me and my baby would have died, right? But instead, we save babies. If you look at other countries with single-payer healthcare systems, their premies do not do as well.

And it's because the government has to say at a certain point, it's too expensive. Mm-hmm. And we don't want to do that. And yet we still complain about quality and things to that nature. I've yet to see a formula that really works where people can say, that's the country that's got it down.

Because the UK and Canada, they used to say, well, how come they can get everything? Nobody's happy with their system in either one of those countries. It's, you know, people point to Singapore or Switzerland, the countries where they have a universal mandate, a sort of individual mandate similar to Obamacare, but it's privately operated.

So almost like a voucher system, if you will. But ultimately, the real rub is that the United States is responsible for the majority of the world's medical research and development and pharmaceutical research and development, right? We're 4.4% of the world population, and we fund, I think it's two-thirds of all pharmaceutical profits.

So when Trump brings up things like we need to tariff countries for free-riding on to our medical research and development, he Is not wrong. The difference, what he really needs to be doing is going to these insurance companies and saying, don't cut a better deal with Canada. And upcharge the American consumer, make everyone pay equally. And because he's not wrong about the problem, it's just about, you know, we need everyone to be funding the next generation of cancer research, GLP1s, every diabetes research. Because right now we're the only ones who are doing it.

Here's Maya McGinnis. She's the president of Committee for Responsible Federal Budgeting on the Deficit Cut 38.

Well, on one hand, we've known that this number was coming. It's all quite predictable because the projections are there. On the other hand, the timing has sped up and the number is just jaw-dropping. The fact that we are at $40 trillion and that we've got here so quickly compared to when we were at $20 trillion, say, in just 2017, is really something to take note of. And if ever there were a warning sign, this is one.

The problem is our lawmakers just don't seem to be paying attention. One would wish that this would mean there would be an immediate meeting on how do we change course. But the likelihood is we will continue to pass legislation that adds to that borrowing instead of reducing it.

So do you want to take on anything she said? Her numbers are right in terms of the deficit from 2017 to today. Her numbers are correct. And look, Committee for Responsible Federal Budget, they do great work. I think they have a little bit more faith in the idea that a bipartisan commission would do anything other than just raise taxes, right?

Because they always say, do a bipartisan commission. No one cuts. No one cuts. Politically, it's not palatable. And that's ultimately, you know who I will vote for for president?

The Scrooge McDuck who says. We are spending too much. We don't have a tax problem. We have a spending problem. And it's multifaceted.

There are ways to do this to make sure that if you are a senior who is currently 75 years old and you've been out of the workforce for 10 years, there's a way to do it where we aren't immediately leaving people homeless and whatnot. But The Social Security retirement age has budged, I think, two years in almost 100 years of its existence.

So wildlife expectancy is increasing.

So I think it should go up, right? Yes, exactly.

So just say, I mean, we were living longer. Correct.

67, 69, would you do you think that would help save the system? Raising the retirement age immediately and then indexing it, you know, where it goes up six months every, you know, two years or so, that, or, or tie it to life expectancy, right? Like that. Should be obvious. And it doesn't have to happen all at once.

But clearly, someone my age, there's zero reason for me to expect ever that I will retire at 65, you know? And nor will Social Security be there. No. Right. No.

But I mean, the thing is. We know the people that are going to retire in 65. They're the ones with the pensions, and they have that thing. But the average American. Should it should not.

I don't think our economy could survive if everyone goes to retire at 65. No, and by 2030, there will be more seniors in this country than there will be. Kids under the age of 18 and under, right?

So we have a shrinking workforce. We're doing mass deportations. And the mass deportations in general are a good thing because on net, the Manhattan Institute has very good research on this. On net, Illegal aliens, low-income visa holders tend to be a net drain on the federal deficit. What we want are more high skilled workers.

So H1B visa workers, STEM visa holders, they do contribute a bunch to the American economy.

So the mass deportations on their own aren't a bad thing, right? And we also want to get rid of, of course, the criminals, as Trump says. But It's as if we continue to have a shrinking population, an aging population, that worker to retiree ratio falling and falling and falling to the point where, you know, when Social Security was first launched, you had four, five, six workers to every one retiree. We're now down to three workers and it's trending slowly to two. And that's a scary thing.

So what's wrong with a speech that says that? Kevin, wouldn't it be great to hear the speeches say, hey, when we started it was four to one.

Now it's three to one. In ten years, it's going to be two to one. I'm going to show you the math. It's not going to work.

So what I'm going to need to do is grandfather in it if you have to, but beginning in twenty 30, we're going to be 67, and we're going to be at 69. And let me just show you: the age was 54, the average American was living at 54 when Social Security was started in 1945.

Now we're the average age, I think we die at 74, and women a little bit later. Yeah, I mean, that would help. But the other thing to keep in mind, he present, it's got best that says we can grow our way out of it. Could AI be the magic bullet? Potential so Okay, I think that the Kevin Worsch Scott Bessant theory of AI is directionally correct.

We would be in a technical recession if not for AI. We would have had at least the last two quarters would have been economic contractions if not for AI. The data centers are unambiguously incredible things across the board, right? Not just in terms of GDP, but also recognition. Reshoring manufacturing.

We've been waiting for the manufacturing jobs to come back under this administration, and it's here with the data centers.

So, the people that build itself and work there, right? It creates permanent employment.

So, it's just change your aesthetic perspective of what reindustrialization looks like, and you have the data centers. But here is the caveat with the data centers. Yes, you know, Georgia Tech did a study and found that when a data center moves into a new county, wages go up by 5%, employment goes up by 3.5%, it's all great across the board. The issue is that The technical definition of moving into a debt crisis is when. The interest rate on national debt.

becomes bigger than the rate of economic growth.

So, the reason why this is an issue is because of that treasury market that is having Scott Bessant freak out.

So, right now, the Atlanta Fed projects. That for the second quarter of the year, that will have grown at 4%, right? Or for the third quarter of the year that will have grown for 4%, which is phenomenal, unbelievable. It's, it's. If a politician, if a president says on the campaign trail, we're going to bring 4% economic growth, everyone says they're lying.

It could very well be happening. But it If the 30-year Treasury yield is soaring to 5.3% and the 10-year Treasury yield is trending towards 5%, in the long run, think about our national debt.

So the debt held by the public, which is technically different than just the top 40 trillion, 32 trillion of that is held by the public. That means it's not just debt the government treats to each other. Basically, we have about $10 trillion of debt that matures and has to be refinanced each year.

So $10 trillion that was maybe refinanced when the 10-year yield was at, you know, 4.1%.

Now is to be refinanced when the treasury yield is at 4.7%.

So we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars in new costs for the same debt. Just because treasury yields are higher. Because no longer does the Fed control the interest rate, it seems. It could drop it, but it doesn't necessarily mean your mortgage is going to drop. Correct.

And that wasn't the case 10 years ago or even five years ago? No, it was a very different environment. I mean, and Biden made this mistake too, where he clearly thought, oh, the Federal Reserve can just control interest rates. At a certain point, you lose control. This is why James Carville back in the 90s said if he died and was reborn again, he'd want to come back as the bond markets because the bond markets do control everything.

Because at a certain point, when the debt was more manageable, when there was a belief, you know, oh, Social Security isn't going to go insolvent in the next. Five to six to seven years, people were more willing to, you know, bet U.S. Treasury, safest investment in the world. But since Liberation Day, it's been a much more tenuous situation. And so I feel bad for Scott Bessant because he can't control the deficit, right?

All he can do is play the cards that he has. But ultimately, it's up to Congress and the president to focus on those entitlements. Wow, such a fascinating conversation.

Well, I did most of the listening. Tiana Lo Adocia, thanks so much. And Economist Columbus for the Washington Examiner, appreciate it. Dicey Times. Back in a moment.

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It's all related. It's not unrelated. These things are not isolated. They are related, and decisions are made and they affect things down the line. The question is: how long do you hold on to these axioms that you believe if they're not working?

And In some cases, we're going to find out in the Chinese situation. They got certain leverage over us, the rare earth. And pharmaceuticals. But besides that, they are the issue, and getting our allies to understand that. They began to understand that, but they still understand that today.

Iran's being. Being propped up by Russia's weapons and China's buying their oil. See how many problems get solved when we attack those two things. Pretty Russia's situation. We gotta do the best we can to collapse that economy and end that war in Ukraine.

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Brian Kilmead. All right, from Midtown Manhattan, heard around the country, around the world, the Brian Kilmey Show closing out a big week. This hour, we're going to join by Blase Mazzel, Vice President for the Policy and Jewish Institute. Gonna find out what's happening over in Israel. They got an election coming up, an award to win, actually on three sides.

And Michael Pregent standing by, retired U.S. Army intelligence officer, former Defense Intelligence Agency, contracted subject, matter expert.

So he's going to be with us shortly. Before we get to him, let's get to the big three. Number Number 3. I tried to write a column through the eyes of two student athletes who were kind of speaking out against biological males in girls slash women sports. And six days later, they decided it wasn't going to run.

And they killed the story, and he quit the job. More signs Woke One is not done as the WNBA takes another scalp. As longtime sports writer calls it quits by siding with.

Sophie Cunningham, that men should not be in women's sports. Can you imagine? Number two. This is going to be the greatest coordinated economic isolation in the history of the world. And we are going to them and saying, you are either with us or against us.

You want this murderous regime to end. Yep, digging in. Trump tightening economic screws, and Iran considers upping the military option thanks to China and Russia sustaining them. How long will we tolerate this endless supply of evil? Mm-hmm.

Number one. Bottom line is we're going to win Michigan. Let me tell you why we're going to win Michigan. El Syed has brought in new energy and new talent into the Democratic Party. Trump has so bungled the Michigan economy.

Really? Didn't you push for the other guy and give them millions of dollars and say El Syed couldn't be elected? The midterm sprint brings both sides to mobilize. The GOP theme, stop the socialists. The Dems refrain remains the same.

Stop Trump. We'll find out what's going to be more effective, being that Trump's going to be stopped in two years, no matter what anybody says. Let's bring in Michael Pregent. He's a retired U.S. Army Intel officer.

Michael, welcome. Hey, thanks for having me, Brian. I appreciate it. Michael, how do you feel about the President shifting from the military option to the economic option for now? I think it's great to have both in play, but this economic comprehensive plan that he's talking about, if it's put in place, would devastate Iran's economy.

But there needs to be a serious focus on Iraq. I know General Keene mentioned Pakistan, but you're going to have to focus on Iraq because Iraq is a lifeline for Iran. I spent five years in Iraq working for General Petraeus Ordierno and briefing General Keene on Iran's malign influence in that country. They use it as an economic lifeline. They get access to U.S.

intelligence through their proxies, U.S. training through their proxies, and the U.S. dollar through their control of the Iraqi government and the Iraqi government's access to U.S. dollars.

So when the Iraqi government comes out and says we're starting to make moves to get rid of the Iranian militias in our country, you don't believe them? Absolutely not. They're the ones that actually supported the current Prime Minister. They have primacy over Iraq's security and intelligence apparatus. They're the ones that help Iran with its illicit shadow oil fleet.

And they reap the benefits. And not only do they pay themselves with that illicit money, but they send money back to Iran to sustain the Quds force as well. How come we supported this Prime Minister then? Yeah. It's it's they have a skill, right?

They put a really bad prime minister out that we object to, and then they come up with a no-name, and it's basically a face to f. A forward-facing prime minister for the Maliki was a guy they put out there. Right. Maliki, and Maliki was a non-negotiable. Maliki's been tied to Iran since he became that.

That guy in 2006. Again, he was a compromise candidate in 2006, and he's the one that led to the rise of ISIS in Iraq by basically prioritizing all senior positions in the Iraqi security forces and the intelligence apparatus to become Shia loyalists to Iran. And that left this void in Iraq that ISIS just rolled into in 2014. But, Michael, don't you think as part of it is we pulled every single troop out? And we left the whole country because President Obama said, hey, you know what?

Things are calm now. We can leave. Right. And we keep doing that, right.

So our adversaries take advantage of these permissive environments where we take everybody out, then they fill the void. Russia and China will fill the void if we leave the Middle East. But when it came to what happened inside of Iraq, ISIS went in there, and now we have a presence there to keep ISIS from coming back. But it's really to protect American troops from Iran's proxies that are firing drones, missiles, and rockets at U.S. bases inside of Iraq.

And on September 30th, Brian, we're getting ready to remove everyone from Iraq and hand back these bases to the Iraqi government, which means we're giving them to the Iraqi militias.

Now, we need to maintain a presence in northern Kurdistan to ensure the enduring defeat of ISIS, but also to curb Iranian influence when it comes to Iraq.

So, are you against this pullout, Michael? I am for this pullout because we need to show disfavor to Iraq, to Baghdad in particularly. We should move our troops to Kurdistan. They're our best ally, second to the IDF and Jordanian Special Operations Forces. We need to maintain a presence in the Kurdish regions.

They are our best ally. They're an ally of Israel. They're an ally of the U.S. But we need to disfavor Baghdad. We need to deny them access to the U.S.

dollar because that means Iran gets the U.S. dollar. I know we're looking big picture at China, Russia, and Pakistan, but Iraq is the lung. Iraq is the economic lifeline. to Iran, and they've been able to capitalize on that.

And even in President Trump's first term, we carved Iran out of sanctions. We left them alone because we le put them in place and we said, hey, we want to do these things. We need you to tilt away from Iran and help us with ISIS.

Well, you mean you carved Iraq out of sanctions? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I meant to say. Yeah, Karl Iraq protected them. And if Secretary Bessett wants to be serious about this, and I believe he does, and Richard Goldberg is probably helping him, he's great at sanctions on Iran, Iran needs to be a big part of this. If Iran's not part of it, if Qatar's not part of it, if the UAE isn't part of it, again, all these countries pay Iran not to attack them.

They give them money so they basically reinforce Iran's playbook, right? Cause chaos. And then ask for compensation to stop the chaos. That's the playbook. That's what Iran's doing now.

So that's why this economic comprehensive plan is so important. It needs to be thorough, it needs to basically target. Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, and China, but also the UAE, also Qatar, also Saudi Arabia, these back channel funds that go to Iran to stop these attacks. And Iran knows that they have a two-year window. Where, like you said earlier, Trump's going to leave office, right?

So, does that become a permissive environment when he leaves office? Does that become a dangerous time for our allies? What are they going to do in the meantime? What are they going to do before the election? What are they going to do after the midterm elections?

So, all of those things come into play. Yeah, here's General Keene from this morning, Cut 30. Right. The other thing is recognize also that there's two military operations that are supporting this. One is the very successful blockade that's taken place and literally is shut down.

uh all of Iran's uh exports uh out of any of their ports. And the second thing is the task force that the 82nd is running. in assisting the shipping in the southern route off the coast of Amman.

So we're able to get what 20 ships through a day these days? About eight million barrels of oil, that's what you're hearing? Right, and we're keeping Iran from getting anything out. Their oil minister just said, hey, listen, we're not exporting anything. We're exporting zero dollars out of the Strait of Hormuz.

You know, I'm a former 82nd Airborne guy. You can see that behind me, and General Keene just mentioned the 82nd. I served with him there. But this is key. What the blockade?

Was so strategic and so smart because it kept US forces from having to go into the Strait of Hermuz by keeping anything tied to Iran from leaving. Straight-of-hormus. And that's why it's important to go after those Iraqi shadow fleet operations. And the way it works, Brian, is Iran will move the oil to Iraq, they'll mix it. And they'll put 100% certified Iraqi oil on the containers and then they'll ship that out as 100% Iraqi oil when it's actually Iran's oil.

And then Iran makes money.

So spend five years in Iraq working this stuff.

So that's why I think Iraq is so important here. And I really want to hear Iraq as part of this comprehensive plan.

So Michael Explain this to me. They say fundamentally Iraq and Iran don't like each other. Until the invasion, the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. And the Shia have an affinity, but they want to be Iraqis, they don't want to be Iranians. Has that all gone by the boards over the last few decades, the fundamental hatred or resentment between countries?

Well, if you look at Iraq, the Shia youth are anti-Iran. They're anti-militias. They're anti-Shia political parties. They want a closer relationship with the U.S. And what did Iran do?

What did the Shia militias do? What did the Iraqi government do? They violently suppressed those uprisings from three to four years ago. They basically shut them down. They target charismatic males, whether they're Sunni, Shia, Christian, or Kurdish, and they put them in jail or they disappear them.

So when it talks about, you know, Iran looks at Iraq as a little submissive. Brother, you will do what we say. Iraq's Shia population is roughly 50% of the population.

So Iran penetrates that through soft power by supporting mosques, supporting religious trips to key places. But then they also have their militias there. They've grown their militia presence to the point where they have primacy over the Iraqi security forces and their security apparatus and the political parties. The current prime minister would not be in charge without support from Iran. And because we considered it a win, because Mali didn't become prime minister, but Malachi's chosen candidate became prime minister.

And so that's the real issue there. I wish. You know, hope is for your football team, your family, and your friends, right? You can't hope that the Ashia population pulls away from Iran when any time they do, they're suppressed by their own leadership. They're targeted.

They're killed. They shut down the internet. And there are so many good Iraqis that want to be nationalists, that want to tilt towards the U.S., that have been disappeared or are in prisons.

So I want you to hear what Aaron Cohen said that we hope to do in Iran. Cut thirty two. There's got to be a phase two to this. The internal liberation is the only way to tailhook all of this economic pressure, and it's got to be aimed at getting the people inside of Iran to create an opposition, roll it out through a covert phase, and that covert action, these people need comms, they need intelligence, they need truth. Truckloads of weapons and they need training because as this triangulation continues, it's going to force the Iranian or the Persians to hit the streets, but then what?

They've got to have the ability to be able to topple the regime. This could be round two with a million people hitting the streets. They need the option to be able to actually carry out a regime topple. And he's an Israeli operator. I mean, there is no plan right now that I know of.

And, you know, listen, I hope I don't know everything. To arm the opposition, to take back their country in Iran is there.

Well, the Israelis have one, and we should support that. We should unleash them. We have to remember at the early part of this war, Operation Epic Fury, it was the Iranians providing intel to the Israelis to target key leadership. It was the first time within 10 days of the war where the population had the ability to provide kinetic intel. To the Israeli Defense Forces to target regime leadership.

We did that in 2007 in Iraq, Brian, just for context. It took us two years. It took us four years to get to a place where we used Iraqis to provide intelligence to go after al-Qaeda. And that was the awakening. That was the surge.

That's something I worked on with H.R. McMaster and General Petraeus. We need to do something like that inside of Iraq, but it can't have an American inside of Iran. It can't have an American face to it. We've heard reports that we've tried to pay off certain generals in the IRGC to break away, but no one's going to break away unless they can get on a radio and call in an airstrike.

Or they can get on a radio and call in a quick reaction force that will come and kill the threat. Meaning IRGC could force threats or besiege threats. That was in place 10 days into Operation Epic Fury, and then we took our foot off the gas pedal. And we stopped. And we demonstrated the capability to do things to Tehran, hoping that they would realize that this is what we can do.

And instead, they just played the long game. We've had 10 iterations of good deals and 10 iterations of failures, 10 iterations of restarting kinetic operations. And this is the playbook, Brian. This is what Iran does. And we need to be wise to that.

General Keene's wise to it. Secretary Besson's wise to it. Secretary Rubio is wise to it. Jared Kushner is not. Witkoff is not.

Qatar is, but they're supporting Tehran. Oman is, but they're supporting Tehran. Turkey and Pakistan, they are aware of what Iran does, but they're supporting Iran in this, in these negotiations. We need to break away from that. This needs to be a Secretary Rubio forward-facing negotiation in the future when it comes to Iran.

Absolutely.

I think that Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff can't do five, even if they were Henry Kissinger in his prime. You cannot do four deals at once. You cannot be working Hamas. You cannot be working Ukraine. You cannot be working Iran.

And then the Gulf states simultaneously. I'm going to just bring you back to what you said about the Gulf states. But are you saying for self-preservation purposes, cutter? and Bahrain and Oman are still in contact with, but they they don't prefer that this Iranian regime stay in power. They just don't want to be hit by Iran.

Is that correct?

So, Bahrain is anti-Iran. They have a Shia population in Bahrain that Iran is trying to foment against the government. When it comes to cutter, Qatar wants Iran to survive because if Iran fell, if the regime fell and it became a pro-US country, Qatar would be on the stage as the premier state sponsor of terror. Qatar has financed Hamas, ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hezbollah. They've operated as a pass-through.

They host a US base, and then they do all these other things thinking, well, we host a US base. Yeah, but you do all these other things.

Well, you asked us to. And that's one of the mistakes of the Obama administration. Even going back to the Bush administration, asking Qatar to host the Taliban, asking Qatar to provide back channels to Hamas. Instead of doing those diplomatic things, they gave them a platform on Al Jazeera, and then they financed them. You know, this is the big issue here when it comes to Qatar.

Qatar wants Iran to survive so that they don't become the next state sponsor of terror. And I've worked with Iran for a long time. And anytime I bring up Iran, the other side says, What about Saudi Arabia? And I said, don't even worry about Saudi Arabia. It's Qatar you need to worry about.

Qatar is the issue. Qatar is that frenemy. There's a piece I wrote in The Hill about two years ago. Talking about this alliance and how we needed to end it because they're penetrating our schools. They give six billion dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood.

They are negotiating on behalf of Hamas. And you mentioned Witkoff and Jared Kushner when it comes to Ukraine, Gaza, and Iran. Hamas did a military parade two days ago. They're not disarming. They're bringing, they have so many military age mails in that country, they're not disarming.

They're preparing for another October 7th, and they're using Turkish and Qatari money to fuel that. And then the Turkish government, a NATO ally, is moving military equipment inside of Syria that Israel has to hit because it's for offensive capabilities, not defensive capabilities. And then you have to be a skeptic, Brian. Jalani, the new president of Syria, was an al Qaeda guy a year ago. Had a bounty on him a year ago.

We had him in Buka when I was in Iraq. And the guy was was was subordinate to Baghdadi. Dice's commander, and now he put on a suit he's using the Hamas playbook. And again, we got the Jerry Kushner, the Witcoff, the Tom Barak, you know, basically telling Americans these are our new allies. When you look at what they're doing, Everything they're doing to the U.S.

Sorry Brian. Yeah, no, no, no, that was all fascinating. I'm up against the break. And that why they left the two Russian bases stay in Syria is beyond me. We should pull that right away.

Michael, always fascinating to talk to you. Very, very tenuous time. Michael Pregen, thank you. Thanks, Brian. Thanks for having me.

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So uh that is Rabbi Andrew Kaplan Mandel talking about the attack over the weekend at the synagogue. This crazy guy just storms in, this big fat guy. Thankfully, nobody was hurt. Uh now let's bring in uh Blaise Mishtau. He's a VP for policy at the Jewish Institute for National Security of America.

Blaise, welcome. Hey, good morning, Brian. Good to be with you.

So your thoughts about where we're at now as we look at this primary process. And almost every Democrat is running on either I don't take money from APAC Or don't you hate Israel? It's an interesting platform. How did we get here? I wish I had a good answer to that, because then maybe we could solve this problem.

Look, part of it is just something that seems to be a historical universal for two and a half thousand years. People have wanted to hate and kill the Jews and blame all of their problems on them, going back to the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Egyptians. You know, then we had the the Spanish Inquisition, the Germans, the Russians, the Poles, the Ukrainians. Everyone at some point in history has persecuted the Jews. For a long time, I thought that maybe America was the country that broke that trend.

And for a long time it was. But now we're seeing that that dark anti-Semitism is rising here as well. And I think there's various strands of it. But part of it, I think, is not really an anti-Semitism. It's an anti-Americanism.

There's part of American society that has convinced itself that America is the problem in the world. Going back to the 1669 project, they see America as the oppressor of poor people in the world. They think America is the one that has started wars, that has killed innocent people. And now they're blaming the Jews, or they're seeing the Jews as the ones who are responsible for this, where they're saying, you know, APAC is the one that's making America go to war, or Israel is the one that's making America go to war. They want to blame all of the problems that they associate.

With Western civilization, with America, with oppressors. They want to blame it all on the Jews. And it's a tale as old as history, but it's one that's now suddenly taken root in the United States, and it's one that's being made worse. By being spread from the bully pulpit of all of these candidates for office, as you just said, Brian, by podcasters, by social media. We know that there's actually been foreign influence.

There's been attempts by foreign nations to use TikTok and other social media to help spread these anti-Semitic messages. And the more people see them around them, whether it's on TV, on social media, on podcasts, they internalize them, they accept them, they think they become normal. And eventually it leads to actions like what we saw last week and where people think it's okay to go after the Jews. And again, you know, I thought for a long time America was different. And yet we're seeing this take root here as well.

But yet you have a president, yeah, a president that is very pro-Israel, even though him and Nanyao have clashed of late. He's the one who moved. As you know, the capital, excuse me, I've moved our embassy over to Jerusalem. He's the one much more, I think, pro-Israel than Joe Biden. But now you have Jared Moskowitz, who survived in Florida pretty easily despite an anti-Semitic opponent.

But guess who didn't? Angie Nixon wins. Listen to some of what she has said as she's rubbering Senate side in Florida. Many of my colleagues. Colleagues have stated that folks are fearful of another massacre occurring to the Jewish people.

Well, guess what? A massacre is occurring now. My love for people is being questioned because I want to stand against the unjust killings of innocent people. They wanted to. um, call all Palestinians uh, you know, anti Semites.

I am upset that the hostages got taken and everything, but I am also upset that we are continually seeing people lose their lives.

So you get that. They keep saying genocide over in Gaza. This woman's almost in tears, almost unhinged. And she wins by a wide margin the Democratic nomination for Senate. Yeah, look, there's so much to unpack here, but I think one of the greatest ironies that I just can't wrap my head around is that.

you have these people who are crying for Demanding protection for Hamas, a terrorist group that actually stands against everything that the left wing of America stands for. You know, you want to protect LGBTQ rights, those don't exist in Gaza. You want to protect minorities? That doesn't exist in Gaza. You want to have any amount of freedom?

You don't want to live in a police state. You want to defund the police?

Well, guess what? Gaza, under Hamas, was the world's greatest police state. What about women's rights? No. Non-existent, right?

And just this level of, I don't know whether it's ignorance, blindness, naivety, complete misunderstanding of what is actually happening in Gaza, in Israel, who they're protecting when they're crying like this for the perpetrators of the October 7th massacre. It's just mind-boggling. And also the erasure of what happened on October 7th, as we heard in that clip, she's saying, yes, it's wrong to take hostages.

Well, what about killing thousands of people, including ones who are dancing for nothing other than love and peace at a music festival? What about the massacring of babies and raping of women? We don't even mention that at all. It's really an incredible erasure of what was the real genocide that happened almost three years ago. I want you to know that about it.

I want you to hear. Our Rabbi Mentz on what we're dealing with here in New York City, this ridiculous mayor. Uh and what he thinks his ultimate goal is forty-seven. If you're a Jewish person, you have a target on you. We have a mayor in New York City.

He ran, I'm going to unite everybody, I'm going to be a person for everybody. What people don't realize is Mayor Mamdani is really part of the Muslim Brotherhood. I know this is hard for people to hear. He's not the smartest cookie. But if you promise everybody, I'll tax the rich, and I'll give you apartments, and I'll give you free daycare, and I'll give you free buses, and I'll give you free.

Everybody's going to say, Whoa, I'm voting for you. New York City is right now without a leader. And it's not the Jewish people that's just gone after. They first say go after the Jew, down with Israel, and then down with America. He's one of those guys that is part of this new movement in America to destroy the greatness of America.

Do you believe the rabbi's right? I do believe that there is a deep anti-Americanism that is at the heart of what we see as this anti-Semitism on the left and an attempt to cast America as the oppressor of the world and the Jews as the leader of that oppression. And I think it goes further, particularly with Mom Dami, as the rabbi said, there's this interweaving of anti-Semitic and socialist trends where the socialism says we need to take money from the rich and give it to everyone else. And who's the rich?

Well, it's the Jews.

So we need to take the money from the Jews and we need to kick them out of their homes and we need to persecute the Jews. And it sort of goes hand in hand the socialism and the progressivism that we're seeing from the Democratic Socialists of America being led by Mamdani and the anti-Semitism that is creeping into the Democratic Party. Absolutely insane. What about this guy, Abdul El-Syed? Here he is talking about Israel.

Well, I just think we need to treat Israel the way we would treat any other country who behaved the way that Israel is behaving. I understand that Netanyahu is a big reason why they've gotten so aggressive and, frankly, so bloodthirsty under his reign. But I also understand that it's impossible for us to say that we want a two-state solution while we've been aiding, arming, and abetting the very people who have been trying to foreclose on the possibility of a Palestinian state.

So Number one, take his statements. Yeah, well, this might shock you, Brian, but I actually agree with what he said. We should treat Israel like we would treat any other country that behaves the way it does. And how does Israel behave? It fights shoulder to shoulder with American troops fighting to protect the American homeland.

How does Israel behave? It develops its defense technologies that help protect Americans. How does Israel behave? It shares intelligence that protects the life of our American president, President Trump. How does Israel behave?

It stands up for American interests and American values, more so than any other country.

So how should we behave toward Israel? With gratitude and support that we have an ally like this, an ally that is willing to fight on our behalf, an ally that is willing to fight to protect our homeland.

So yes, I agree. We should treat Israel based on how it behaves towards us, and it behaves like the best partner we have. Yeah, and I just think also the whole thing about genocide needs to be just. It's taken on directly because it's not genocide. This is retaliation for an attack.

And you don't drop flyers on people, text message them if you're trying to kill innocent people. You're trying to clear them out. But what Hamas does is line up in hospitals and they line up in schools. And they dare you to hit them. Yes, absolutely right.

I mean, let's be clear here. There's a very clear definition of what genocide is under international law, and it is the intent to kill an entire people. We have seen no such thing from Israel. What we have seen is actually, as you laid out, Bryant, an intent to protect civilian life, a greater intent to do that than the rulers of Gaza themselves have, Hamas. Everywhere Israel has gone, in Gaza, it has given notice to civilians to evacuate.

It has provided them Routes to get out of the area before its forces went in. It has given them advance warning. And in multiple instances, when Hamas has been the one who's tried to keep civilians in place so that they could be killed Or has shot on civilians who have tried to evacuate to try to keep them in their homes. It's Israeli soldiers who have come to their protection to let them get out of harm's way.

So yes. Have there been civilian deaths? Unfortunately, there have been. But what we have seen repeatedly is that Israel goes above and beyond to try to protect those civilians. Which is exactly the opposite of the definition of genocide.

What we've, in fact, seen is the greatest attempt to wage a humanitarian war. against a barbaric enemy. And I think this is going to go down in history and is going to be studied for years to come. As an example of how you fight. How you fight precisely, how you fight humanely, how you fight legally, how you fight ethically and morally in one of the most dangerous and complex battlefields that the world has ever seen.

Blaise Michael is with us. He's the Vice President for Policy at Ginza. And Blaise, a couple more questions. How about colleges? Since we addressed this a couple of years ago and this administration has taken legal action, these elite universities, do you find any improvement?

Anecdotal or Empirical about the anti-Semitism that exists on those campuses? I think certainly the administration has rung the alarm bell and has put these universities on notice that they have to start behaving differently. But what I think actually gives me great hope is what we've seen happening outside of our elite institutions, what we've been seeing in Florida and Texas and other places, the creation of new centers of learning. of new centers of civic study. That tries to undo the harm that we've seen happen at our elite institutions of the great shift to the left.

And create new places where we can study the Western canon, where we can study Western civilization, where we can study the texts that America was founded on and made America great. And as we see more people gravitating towards these centers of excellence for civic study, then I think we're actually going to see a correction from the elite institutions who are going to lose their elite status, who are going to lose the tens of thousands of kids who want to go there every year. And as their status declines, they're not going to have a choice. They're going to have to change their ways in order to compete. And I think that's what gives me hope.

is that students are voting. High school students and applicants are voting with where they send those applications. The center of gravity is shifting away from the poisoned well of our of the Ivy League and other institutions. And they're choosing places where they're actually going to get a real education, where they're going to hear a difference of views, where they're going to get to debate. Between what's right and what's wrong, and they're going to come away clear-eyed.

And that gives me great hope for the future of America. And also, after a while, instead of saying, hey, I see Harvard on your resume, that looks good, we'll go, Harvard, are you one of those kids that was stopping Jewish kids from going to classrooms? Are you one of those kids that took over the campus? Are you one of those kids at Columbia that thought it would be a great idea to harass professors who happen to be Jewish?

So I think it's starting to. it's starting to stain those graduates rather than propel those graduates. And that's why I thought it was so valuable with with Secretary McMahon has done as Department of Education. Even if they lose the case, they're bringing the spotlight to Harvard. And today's front story in the New York Times was Harvard paying a price for taking on the administration legally, because it brings a spotlight in discovery.

that they don't really want. Blaise, thanks so much. Hopefully, we get on the other side of this soon, but I appreciate you joining us today. Thanks, Brian, and thanks for everything you're doing. Absolutely.

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Radio that makes you think. This is the Brian Kill Me Show. When I go to up and down the state, there is not a place I stop where people don't tell me, look, I voted for Donald Trump three times and I'm voting for you. And that's because you really want to give me health care. It's because you don't want to send my money abroad to do heinous things like make wars we shouldn't be fighting.

You want to keep it here at home. And you seem to be honest about the fact that you believe that our politics should be of the people and by the people instead of of the corporations and by the corporations. Not one person came up to Al Said and said, I voted for Trump three times and you're the ticket. There's no way that's true. That's what he wants to be true.

But Medicare for all, really? I voted for Donald Trump and now I want Medicare for all. That's what you're talking about? But you as a doctor, Ph D guy, or not a doctor, but a doctorette, who never practiced but calls himself a doctor, decides That we should have Medicare for all. If you do the math, it's totally unaffordable.

Oh, we'll increase taxes on the wealthy. If you took all their wealth, it would last 18 months, and still we wouldn't have Medicare for all. You know who else doesn't want it? Hakeem Jeffries doesn't want it. You know who else doesn't want it?

Chuck Schumer doesn't want it. Why? Because nobody wants Medicare for all. Seniors, it's not enough for them. And it's going bankrupt now.

Now we're going to put the rest of the population on Medicare. Oh, we're going to get rid of private insurance companies and all the jobs that go along with it, all the accountability that they come down with it. If you want to reform some things about health insurance, that's an intelligent way to do it. That whole Medicare for all, don't tell me one Donald Trump supporter walked up to you and said, man, what a genius idea that is. Because Obamacare has already brought us a lot of that.

And you just heard, we had an economics guest on before, it's basically 20% of the entire budget. 20%. It's incredible. Between that and Social Security, you have a $40 trillion deficit, but it's not because of discretionary spending. It's non-discretionary spending, stuff that's an automatic withdrawal from our bank account right off.

But I think Mike Rogers going to do a bet. I would wait till the last minute to debate this guy. I want to keep digging up tapes. I want to keep letting him do interviews because the more he talks, the more extremist he sounds. I'd be worried if he started jogging towards the middle, but he's not.

By the way, I just want you to hear a little of Hasan Piker, who mentored him, Cut Nine. Fidel Castro And Che Guevara were lions, okay? They were lions. I'm sorry that you don't have the adequate history lesson to understand that. And as an American, you don't want to pull your head out of your and understand why the rest of the planet refers to Fidel Castro and Che Guevara as very differently than we do here.

It is so Delusional. It's so ridiculous. I d oh god, this shit makes me so mad. Yes, these were revolutionary heroes. Man, this guy can't get a sentence out without cursing.

They're not heroes. They're heroes to communist, the communist world, much of which doesn't exist anymore. They lost their financing. That was the Soviet Union Cold War bucks. When the Cold War collapses, Fidel Castro collapses.

Thankfully, he's dead.

Soon his brother will be dead. And then Cuba will be free. From high atop. Fox News headquarters in New York City. Always seeking solutions, never sowing division.

It's Brian. Hi, wonderful bad. Here's the Brian Kilmead Show. We got a big, big hour coming your way. Jared Horbath.

Horbath is going to be with us, neuroscientist and educator, author of a brand new book called The Digital Delusion. You're not going to believe some of the fundamentals he believes we could all do today and what teachers should be doing now in schools taking note to change the outcomes and make them better. And a lot of times technology has gotten in our way and stopped the learning instead of enhancing it. It's counterintuitive, but is exactly what has happened. He'll explain why.

And he's also going to be on my show on One Nation on Sunday at 10 o'clock. Before we get to Shannon, let me remind you: go to YouTube. We have a YouTube channel now, youtube.com slash at the Brian Killmead Show. A lot of people say it's the best thing YouTube has ever offered. That's what they're saying.

So let's get to the big three. Number three. 3. I tried to write a column through the eyes of two student athletes who were kind of speaking out against biological males in girls/slash women's sports. And six days later, they decided it wasn't going to run.

So they killed the story, and he killed the job. He walked out on his Seattle newspaper job. More signs woke one is not done as the WNBA takes another scalp as longtime sports writer calls it quits by siding with Sophie Cunningham. I'll explain. Number two.

This is going to be the greatest coordinated economic isolation in the history of the world. And we are going to them and saying, you are either with us or against us. You want this murderous regime to end. That is Scott Besson, of course, digging in. Trump tightening up the economic screws.

And Iran considers upping the military option thanks to China and Russia's help that allows them to rearm. Why are we allowing that to happen? Bottom line is we're going to win Michigan. Let me tell you why we're going to win Michigan. El Syed has brought in new energy and new talent into the Democratic Party.

Trump has so bungled the Michigan economy. Yep, that is Chuck Schumer, who almost every candidate he backed lost, but pretending as if it's no big deal. Midterm sprint begins as both sides mobilize the GOP theme: stop the socialists. The Dems refrain: remain the same, stop Trump. And that's where we have it.

I mean, I couldn't believe Chuck Schumer was saying what he's saying. I mean, he blacked Stevens, lost. But as he's at um Alexander Vinman, he got crushed. They didn't want Graham Plattner. They wanted the sitting governor in Maine.

Plattner won. Then you buy platter, platinum implodes. One thing is pretty clear. If they get back the majority in the Senate, I cannot see him doing anything except retire. Plus, they're probably going to even primary him.

Here's more from Chuck Schumer. Cut four. We're a big tent party. And, you know, not everyone has the same exact view on every single issue. But if you look at the overall issues, the costs that people pay, the chaos.

In the Trump administration, you see it daily. And the corruption. And the corruption. Right. So is he?

We all think basically the same: abolish the Senate. abolish prisons, abolish the border, uh diminished the presidency No longer fund the Pentagon. To fund the police. That's basically what we all agree on. Oh, it's not?

What about in the tent? Can you fit I I can't fit any of that in any tent. Maybe Shannon Bream can. She's the same Shannon Bream who hosts Fox News Sunday. Shannon, are you a big tent party person?

Listen, if you're the Democrats, you got to be because you want to put together a coalition. Think about what President Trump did in 2024. I mean, he brought together Maha and suburban moms and all kinds of different coalitions he needed to do to get this win. And if you talk to Democrats right now and say to them, hey, are you comfortable with these people in your party?

Some of the old school folks like, you know, James Carville, Van Jones, whatever, they're out there sounding warning alarms, Jared Moskowitz, you know, member of Congress who just won his primary over DSA candidate. But there are a lot of Democrats who will say to you, we just want to win.

So if these people want to be in the tent, we're fine. Yeah, I guess so. They want to win, but if they win, then who wins? Once they get in there, that's going to be the issue. Here's more from Chuck Schumer, Cup Five.

I have one mission, win the Senate. And we're on the path to doing it. The bottom line is, we're going to win Michigan. Let me tell you why we're going to win Michigan. First, El Syed has brought in new energy.

A new talent. into the Democratic Party, but also in Michigan itself. But second, Michigan, Trump has so bungled the Michigan economy.

So That's his goal, but he can't see eye to eye with almost any of what I mentioned, unless he's totally a chameleon. He does want to pack the court. They do want to blow up the filibuster, that's clear, which would result in two more states. That's understandable, but they won't be able to do it with this president as president, but that's the goal eventually the goal. Are you worried about some of these institutions dying on the vine?

Well, listen, when you pull a lot of this stuff, the African-American people do think some of this is crazy. Even if plenty of Democrats and people say we can't just go blowing up the Senate and the Supreme Court and all these things, they sound so crazy. But everything that's kind of sounded crazy at some point didn't sound crazy. And you say it enough times and it becomes part of the mainstream conversation. That there is a segment of the far left, progressives, who they don't hide from it.

You remember the lady I had on, Megan Romer from the DSA? She wasn't trying to hide the language about what they actually want to do, and she wasn't apologizing for it. I mean, she thinks this is going to become a mainstream idea.

So people, you know, the polling right now. People are unhappy with a lot of our institutions all across the government and bureaucracy and everything else. They don't trust it. And so the more that you can go out there and say, hey, these institutions aren't serving you. Let's change them or blow them up.

There's a real appetite for what our polling shows is the call for, quote, radical change in the government.

So LCIE just got to go to a conference. Think he wants to go to the middle, tell Hassan Piker to lose his number. He's going to be going to an Islamic conference. And that Islamic conference is going to have very interesting people with terror ties. It's an Islamic conference over in Uh it's in Texas.

They're going to be controversial figures like Barik Berry, who prayed for Mujahideen in Palestine and Lebanon.

Okay. And this guy, Hassan Khwazini. Who also attended after appealing to God to grant victory to our brothers in Iran. Isn't that nice? And a conference in Texas is going to have Iman Yashir Khadi, who has previously made remarks denying the Holocaust that he later repudiated.

And he was named as a possible co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center terrorism case.

So these are the people he's appearing with. I mean, this is incredible. Who's advising him?

Well, I you know, the question is Will he Correct. Will the pendulum spring back? Because, like, you talk about this going into the general. There are a lot of Democrat worries. But there's a lot of pressure from the left, too, saying, like the lady, Megan Romer, was with me, don't apologize for any of this stuff.

Go and stand by what you've said. I mean, that seems like a bold choice heading into the general to do something like that. But you've also got folks out there like Hassan Piker who feel like they are now the power brokers when it comes to Democrats. And to the left, he's out there telling Democrats they have to defend him.

So what he's saying is to these folks, like if you're super far left, if you're anti-Israel, all these different things, do not try to modify those positions or apologize for them. Swing for the fences and get out there and defend me and the farthest left parts of your party. All right, different note now. Michael Cohen testified, key testifying witness against Donald Trump, help him get convicted in New York court, and they're trying to overturn it. He was a key witness.

He called him a con man. Horrible things for the last, I don't know, eight years. And out of nowhere, I guess he's looking for a pardon. He's on WABC and he's on that great radio station we all. Love, but here he is talking to Donald Trump last night, cut 51.

I want to go back to 2016 if we can, because you and I have obviously traveled a pretty rocky road together. Do you remember, sir, when I went on CNN with Brianna Keeler and she told me that you were underwater in the polls, and I responded with those famous two words, says who, which became some worldwide meme in the. And then they weaponized you like nobody's ever been weaponized, like few have been.

Well, maybe just you and I, sir. And you. Yeah, me too, but I don't consider mine, you know, mine was mine was at a level that nobody's ever seen before. But they weaponized you, they weaponized a lot of people. And I respect the fact that you recanted.

Everything you said, and that's a big That's a big thing that you did. That's a very big thing. Has he actually recanted everything he said, you know, Shannon? And will that play into his case as the president tries to get that conviction overturned? I don't know if he has.

You know, I don't know. I mean, it's interesting that they're trying to repair this relationship, and you always have to wonder because, man, Cohen was adamant when he was going after President Trump that he was kind of scorched earth, like burn it down. And so I don't know exactly what he has and hasn't recanted. If we're talking about legal testimony that he gave or deals that he made, is he willing to completely reverse everything that he said? And I mean not just publicly, but I mean, you know, in the framework of a legal setting.

Very interesting development. Yeah, I just don't get it. I'm all for, you know, I guess in life, it's great to forgive people. But I mean, it was like 10 minutes ago, he was calling him a con man, living off his ab, writing books about him, about his. And being the key guest.

So I don't know I don't know where to that entire thing. And yes, as the appeals process plays out, I think that's going to be a very interesting entry into the public record. Yeah, I'll have to see Shannon. Have you thought about your Sunday show? I have, and I've thought about: hey, we've got a race, and we're going to be live for the Indy 250.

We're going to have special headsets, I think. I think that's going to have to happen, special microphones. But we've got Transportation Secretary Duffy with us, and we'll talk about the race, but some other big issues going on out there with CDL driver's license with foreign drivers and airport makeovers and all of these different things that touch on transportation, including your gas prices. We've got Congressman Jake Auchincloss, a Democrat, a Vet, to join us and say, you know, how does he feel about DSA? And this afternoon, Brian, I'm going to take a ride with one of the drivers.

So say a little prayer for me, and you'll see the results on Sunday. You can speed around the beltway and not get a ticket, Shannon. Take advantage of it. I say yes. What about your show on Sunday?

Same thing. Exact guest, same. No, I'm only kidding. I am. I'm going to open up with Rick Perry.

We're going to talk about data centers. He feels differently. I do too. We have to take a rational approach to this. Yeah.

And then Joe Manchin's going to be joining me. He's pushing this independent movement. Will it change anything? And also, I got him getting away in. Him and AOC have this rivalry.

They hate each other.

Well, Joe Manchin doesn't hate, but they frehendly disagree with each other. Like. Yeah. He obviously doesn't think she should be president. He thinks she should be president, I think, until 2028's coming, buddy.

So he's chairman of the War College. John Spencer is going to be joining me. He's going to talk about where we go from here. He fought in three separate wars, and he also was in Gaza. Says genocide did not happen.

I'm going to talk about that. And Lydia Moynihan will be joining us, too.

So I'm going to see if I can fit it all into one hour. Worst comes to worst, Mark Levin will give me some time, or Trey Gowdy will give me some of his.

Well, does this also mean that you haven't left time for the dance-off that we discuss every Sunday? You know what? Every week I put it in. And every week we just don't have time. And under promise.

I want to help my ratings. If dancing would help my ratings, believe me, I would do it. I say, do it. Give the people what they want, Brian. Nobody wants it.

The people have spoken. Shannon, good luck. Wear your headset, look cool, and speed. And stay safe.

Okay, bye. Back in a moment. Learning something new every day on the Brian Kill Meat Show. Uh Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show.

This is the ultimate local control issue. If people in a local locality, like you talked about, Loudon County, are for it, then this is local control. But my advice to politicians everywhere is: I've seen political stampedes before. This is a political stampede. If people are opposed to it, Republicans, Democrats, it doesn't matter what party you are, should listen to the people on an issue like this until it sorts itself out.

Okay, it's politically risky, a few months. They're talking about data centers. It's already fleischer last night.

Okay. You want to wait. I'm not saying to stake your political future on data centers unless you're meta, unless you're ChatGPT. Sam Altman. But we need these.

It's a joke. That we're pushing back on this. This shows a lack of understanding. You go into the community, explain, find out what their reservations are, you explain to why you need them, the benefits you have to having them, and we have more data centers by a lot than anybody else, and we got to build more. Capacity to help everybody else's life.

Not to make Facebook more popular. It's not to make ChatGPT be anthropic. This is stuff that we need to fuel our lives as as as AI becomes more prevalent. And it needs a lot of energy. But now, both Republicans and Democrats are either pausing it or condemning data centers.

If you're an electrician, if you're a plumber, if you're a pipe fitter, If you're a tech guy, if you have a if you have a passion for gaming. If you like New roads. Parks Bridges You want your tax base to grow. Instead of just taxing people and families, you have a data center that maybe you can't see. Perhaps, most likely.

Unless you go by a campus. Thousands of people come in to build it. After two or three years, they're done. They move on to the next power center. They're probably union.

Maybe that'll make some Democrats happy. And they move on. They leave in their wake a facility It's going to make your life better because it's going to power it. Number two, just make sure the water gets recycled. Make sure they provide their own power.

They have an executive order to power it. Here's more from Ari Fleischer, Cut 24. The most tangible one is going to gobble up all my electricity and drive my prices higher when electric bills have already been one of the rising biggest concerns for people paying their bills. But I think it's intangible. I think it's deeper.

I think it's the whole fear of AI, big tech, powerful, rich companies coming into my backyard to build something that I don't understand. It might take my job away, might take my children's job away. It's all that fear. And this is why the industry's got a real obligation to go forward and explain these things. Don't take it for granted.

Don't act like the old Chamber of Commerce days, where all you have to do is say it's going to create 250 full-time, good-paying jobs. That's woefully insufficient. You've got to address people where they are. And that means you've got to go deep when it comes to getting permission for AI. He's got experience.

You know, I wouldn't mind hearing from more people be pitching us here on the radio show. I know when they're selling us. We've done a lot on it already. I think we've done as much as any show. And nothing's perfect.

But you have to understand, don't tell me you love your phone and how how great it is that you're being connected or your business is run down the square and how how m easy it makes it, whether you're a dry cleaner or you're running a deli. This is all the types of things that power. that you use these data centers for. Yes, Meta You, they build 'em. And they pay taxes on them.

And they could profit off them, but the energy benefits all of us. If it's jacking up rates and they've done it wrong in the past, make sure they don't do it again and they fix the ones that are there. But I just think it's a knee-jerk reaction to every Republican and Democrat is now scared now about it because a few people were upset. And I worry that China is pushing this whole thing on social media.

Now you see these commencement addresses and these speakers get up there and they say it's an exciting time and AI is going to drive the future and give you more opportunity. And then in come the booze and people get panicky and politicians get worried. Because politicians are worried about votes and they worry about every little thing. For example, in Ohio, John Eusted, who is now trailing to Sherard Brown, who's against power centers, against data centers. John Usted said, build them responsibly, but we need to build them.

And it brings in tax dollars and tons of jobs, manufacturing jobs. This is called manufacturing jobs in 2026, not manufacturing jobs in 1926. It's a lot different back then, before there's even child labor laws.

So I'm just saying this is a why this is an opportunity for credible people to explain it. And just go do it. Start running ads about it. I mean, we get enough ads on everything else. Don't just expect, don't just get scared and stop selling the wisdom on data centers.

I'm je I'm amazed. We're going to discuss that this weekend. And we'll see what's going to happen. I know people want to make a profit. I hope they do.

I hope they build a data center, it makes a profit, and at the same time provides tax dollars for local cities and states. I don't want to take it away farmland, but my sense is we could find land that's not farmland, don't you think? And you could build it on public land.

Some say you could build it on military bases. If there's room, do it. Why not? The right way. And they'll get it done the right way.

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And we're lucky to have Jared Vorvath with us. He's a neuroscientist and educator, and author of a brand new book out this week, right? Yeah, it just came out Tuesday. The Digital Delusion. You have to, if anybody who is, whether you're a grandparent, parent, or whether you're a kid wondering why certain teachers at work, certain schools you're doing well, some people doing better than you, this might be a great way to unlock the secrets to success when it comes to education.

Jared, first off, great to see you. When did you realize you want to just, instead of just being an educator, you wanted to figure things out about education? That was a, so probably about 20 years ago. 12 years ago was, it was the decade of the brain.

So I was teaching when the brain was just everywhere. Where were you teaching? I was out in California.

So there was a little French. International school.

So they basically, all the French speakers were doing one thing, and all the English speakers were hanging out with me.

So I got to teach math, I got to teach science, I got to teach English, just whatever they needed. And that was when I realized, well, I thought if I knew more about the brain, that will make me a better teacher. Makes sense.

So go back, learn all that stuff. I thought that'd be a year or two of my life, but academia, it's just a black hole. Once you're there, there's always one more project, always one more thing.

So I kind of got stuck in academia. And the tech stuff really didn't come up till I think COVID was kind of the breaking point.

Well, we'd always knew tech and learning weren't best friends, but it was really COVID. Everyone brings tech in to make sure we make it through the lockdowns, fair enough. Lockdowns ended and everyone's stuck with tech. Rather than ripping that bandaid off and going back to what we know works. They're like, cool, keep the computers in front of the kids.

So that's when I said, all right, let's figure out what's going on here and whether or not this is a smart move. And nobody, everybody you talk to is concerned about our numbers on standardized tests going down. How many people are reading on grade level? How much have math on grade level? And the answer is everything's going the wrong direction.

And it's not like kids are necessarily lazier or school's getting easier. and the days are getting shorter. It seems like the homework is increasing, right? The days are just as there. It's not that we're ignoring it.

So what's going on? It's just not clicking. This is where you say exactly kids are in school more than we were. Kids have more homework than we did. Yet somehow their scores are now, for fourth graders, lower than it's been all century.

For eighth graders, they're like one point off the lowest it's been all century.

So we've got a problem. And so it couldn't have been the schools. It's not the timing. It can't really be the teachers. As much as people like to blame teacher training, that really hasn't changed all that much.

It appears to be the tools we're using to teach within schools. When you look at, and it's not just the U.S., when you look internationally across any country, as soon as tech goes from peripheral to central in an education system, that education system starts to drop. And that's, I think, my favorite. Can you define that further? Yeah.

So if we, so there are international tests, things like PISA, things like TIMS, things like ISILs, which test literacy, numeracy, science skills, in a standardized way across countries so that we can check kind of Of what educational systems are thriving, which aren't. And for the longest time, all the thriving educational systems were East Asian countries, Singapore, Japan, China. And everyone knew, oh, it's because they were hyper-rigorous. But everyone assumed they were also hyper-tech because their economies are so tech-based. Turns out, until COVID, they were the least tech-using countries in the world when it came to education.

Singapore never let kids touch tech in schools. It's like they knew these are tools for adults, not for kids learning. China, same thing. They were third least tech-using country in the world. If you had China, Shanghai, Hong Kong was like sixth least using.

It was just all these countries that we assumed their education was so much better because they were just drilling kids, which we didn't want to do here. One of the big reasons they were so much better was the way they were doing it. It just was no tech, which could allow us to keep our ideology here for how we want to run schools, just do it better.

So you want to see our education go back to writing on paper. With a pen in your hand, put away. Uh the Chromebooks, the iPads. Obviously, the iPhones.

So I understand the distraction.

So, Jared, if you're talking to me and I have my phone right here, I'm going, obviously, that's what we're seeing now: rudeness. But this has nothing to do with it. That that the phone's away. We woke up to that. But you also want the iPad and the MacBook.

And the Chromebook away. Why? So that is one distraction, is definitely a thing. Because just because the screen goes from pocket size to desk size doesn't mean it's not the same exact. Because you're my teacher, you're in front, you're telling me about history.

You're telling me about, and I'm taking notes.

Okay. When did Washington, when was he president? When did he win the war? When did the Constitution go?

So I'm typing it. You say that's the problem. I need to be writing it. I need to be listening and writing it with a pen. Why?

What's the difference?

So when we compare, that's a perfect example: note-taking, typing versus handwriting. What happens is a lot of kids can type about as fast as a teacher speaks.

So when kids are typing up notes, what we see are just blocks of verbatim notes, dictation. It's a courtroom stenographer. I get it all in. But if you ever meet a courtroom stenographer who just wrote everything down, ask him, hey, what was that court case about? They'll say, murder.

Like, I wasn't paying attention. The only thing of importance when you're typing is the sound and the order of the words. Did I hear it? Did I write it? When you're writing by hand, no kid can keep up with the speed of your speech.

So now they have to parse meaning. Already they have to think deeply about what matters, what doesn't, how do things fit together. And they have to make decisions about what to write down. In that instance, the note-taking becomes the learning. It's no longer just dictation.

It is an organization of your thoughts and thinking, which is why handwritten notes are so gross. They've got lines and arrows. But that's why we always say, look, if you did nothing different in your class but handwritten notes versus typed notes, you will see better learning, deeper comprehension amongst your students. And you thought, you know, you thought to make things better and easier, those kids don't have to carry around six textbooks. We'll put them online.

Yeah. Right?

So I'll read online.

So I'll open it up, open up your page in your textbook. You don't have to do that anymore. Open up in your textbook on your Chromebook.

So you take that textbook, you open it up on your Chromebook. What's wrong with reading it on my Chromebook?

So one of the big things the brain Loves is three-dimensional locations. We are a three-dimensional being in a three-dimensional world.

So, where in space things occur become a massive part of the memory we form and ultimately determine how we can access those memories.

So, this is why I always say: if you ever go back to like your childhood home or town, memories will start to pop up that you haven't had in decades. Just by being back in the space, your brain's like, I remember this. Do you remember that? Handwritten notes, notebooks, books, textbooks have three-dimensional locations. That's one of the things that makes text tech.

Till that book burns into dust, the same words will be in the same position with relation to each other forever. That becomes part of your memory and what you formed. If you go back and look at your handwritten notebooks from school, you'll start to pull up memories. Jesse will be like, I know what's on the next page. That's all in there.

And you're telling me if I went to. If I got notes and open up an article and I cut and paste that from a year ago, And when I look at that, when I open up that page from a year ago, I'm not going to have the same memories as if I wrote it down. No, because a screen only has two dimensions at most. If you have a scrolling screen, that's even worse. There is no spatial dimension whatsoever.

Everything moves through a screen, left to right, top to bottom. You just figured out in your brain, the brain wants this. Yes. You figured out.

So you wanted to say, why is that that I'm remembering more? You said, okay, let me find out what the brain thinks. Boom. Exactly. And that's where now, so we have all this research that shows read from a book versus read from a screen, you will learn more, comprehend better.

Now we have the mechanism to say it's that spatial aspect of it. The fact that a book literally never changes, whereas a screen is always changing, changes the kind of memories you make from it. Wow. And I did not know this. I always said with the iPhone, we have a court case going on right now to see if social media tried to lure kids into getting addicted to social media.

And we know about depression associated with that and the lack of social skills. But Was it done intentional? For example, I want you to, if I make a candy bar, I want you to want that every day, right? I want to be successful. Am I evil?

No. I want to sell that candy bar. Do I know candy's bad for you? Yeah, probably. But I'm just trying to sell.

I work for her. She's, I'm trying to get you to buy that candy bar.

Now, in social media, did they say, I just want people on Facebook because I'd love for people to use that as a vehicle to meet people in the marketplace? Or were they trying to addict us? And to a point where they knew it was warping the mind. Isn't that what the case is about? Yeah, and they're in their winning those cases.

Because once the documents came out from these companies, it was pretty clear it had nothing to do with socialization, it had nothing to do with learning, it was all about just addictive marketing. And this is where I get in a lot of trouble: I can't blame a company for trying to sell a product to people. I can blame a company for making it addictive and then giving it to kids, sure. But when it comes to taking tech into schools, They're a company. Like you said, they got to make money.

So I kind of, and I don't blame anyone, but I put a little bit more responsibility on schools for not stopping and saying, wait a second, where is the evidence that this is good for learning? Where is the evidence this is going to help my kids develop? We never asked for that. We just said, okay, it looks good to us.

So when those Chromebooks came into junior high school in my town, you're saying they came in because? How cynical you want to get profit. That's it. The very first one-to-one computer program was Microsoft had built the Chromebook, a very small laptop that they thought businessmen would love because they thought if you're traveling, take this, you're good. No one bought it.

It didn't sell at all.

So, in order to recoup costs, they said, What can we do with it? Why don't we give it to kids in schools at a lower price?

So, from the very beginning, there was no consideration of learning or development. It was just what's another customer base, where can we make some money? But again, I like, what else do we expect? It's a tech company. Of course, they're going to try and make money.

Why didn't we stop and say, Okay. What benefit does this show? Where's your research showing this is going to be useful? Jared Horvath is with us now. His book is out called The Digital Delusion.

I'll tell you exactly why.

So I don't think they knew. I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'll I'll be naive.

So if I'm an educator or principal or superintendent. Microsoft comes up to me with a representative and said, I can get you kids Chromebooks. I'm going to get you a good discount. I don't, like, almost when I first saw you testify, I didn't know anything that you were saying. I didn't challenge it either, but everything, almost everything you said caught me by surprise.

Yeah, yeah.

So, do you think they did not know that they were retarding education? That is the best case scenario. And I think, yes. For the most part, I give. Teachers, I give administrators the complete benefit of the doubt.

In 2002, that was the very first one-to-one program, so far as we know in the world, it was in Maine. It would have sounded incredible back then. This is the future. Tech is the future. I think the internet comes along, that must be a part of it.

AI comes along, that must be a part of it. But I think we're now at a stage where we have enough data where we can see that. You can't say the night played the naive card anymore. Bingo.

So now, when you know better, you got to do better.

So, any school that sticks with it has a lot to it.

So, isn't it interesting that way everything's improving and AI is improving? But you're telling everyone that your studies show that. By going back to writing things out, and dare I say, using an opaque projector or the chalkboard, showing people when it comes to the classroom, I'm not looking to mod. You're telling me, Jared, don't modernize. Am I right?

To an extent, yes, you've got to learn the skills. The biggest mistake we made is we confused the tool for the skill. The tool is not the skill. The skill is the skill. Tools are only there to demonstrate the skill you have.

And when it comes to kids and learning, they've got to lock the skills down first. Understand math before you bring in a calculator. Know how to draft an essay before we start considering word processing. We brought the tool in way too early, and now they've never got the skill. And now the scariest thing is AI.

Oh, yeah.

So. What are we doing now?

Now, can it help you? They're talking about robots teaching your kids, right?

So if the robot can learn and looks like a human being, they find a way to make it look like a human being is walking around the classroom and is teaching. Are you okay with that? I think this is where big tech shot themselves in the foot. I think AI was the straw that broke everyone's back and opened their eyes and said, what are we doing here? All the research coming back on AI shows it's bad for learning.

It's just not a learning tool.

Now popular. Because it knows everything. Because there's a, what is it called? The law of least effort, universal law. If I have two paths to get to one spot, I'm always going to take the path that requires least energy.

You as character, you as a human. You as the universe.

Okay. As stars moving around the galaxy. Whatever requires least energy is where the world goes. Learning requires a lot of energy.

Now, AI comes along and says, You could use me in a way that's going to force you to use a lot of energy, or I could just give you the answer. What do you think 95% of kids do? Give me the answer. That's good.

Now pop that in a humanoid robot and everyone thinks, well, it looks human. One of the biggest drivers of learning we have is what's called an empathetic connection.

So human beings resonate. Our biology can connect. And in those moments, we start thinking like each other. That's when learning gets really good.

Now, if you've ever been at a dinner table and everything is cruising and then somebody pulls out a phone and you almost feel that break where it's like something changed in the room, that's it. You break synchrony.

So if you put AI in a humanoid robot, A, there's no biology to sync with, and B, anytime you recognize it's a robot, that's going to cut any chance of synchrony the kids have. It's just, it's never going to work. It's cute, but it ain't going to happen. Because people want that human connection. I want to win over that teacher.

I want to see if the teacher is frustrated. I want to see if they're enthused that I'm getting it so that you're never going to get that from a robot. It's the same thing. You can't do it. You'll get a lot of, what is it called, kowtowing.

It'll tell you you're a great human being, but you're never going to get that connection. I wouldn't mind. I would not know that. Difference. If a robot told me that, I'd accept it either.

Anyway, Jared Horvath, don't move. We're going to have a few more minutes on the other side, but go out and pick up his book. I can't imagine any age not wanting this book. Even if you're not in school, someone you know is. It's called The Digital Delusion.

Back in a moment. Real talk, real guests, real insight. Where curiosity meets conversation is the Brian Kilmeat Show. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead.

Jared Horvath is here, neuroscientist and educator author of the digital delusion. Jared, just a little bit more about the court case going on right now. It's the latest one. Net is being sued for addicting kids, and parents are stepping forward and saying this. And you have whistleblowers who said that you want to keep Mark Zuckerberg away from your kids, that there seems to be a manipulation there.

How interested are you in this case? I'm hugely interested. It's tangential to the learning stuff. And I think there are people out there, like Nikki Riesberg is one of them, just really locked in to these cases, putting good information out. But because it's tangential to learning, I don't talk about it too often, but I got my finger on the pulse at all times to make sure they get what's coming.

All right.

So do you also believe, is it true that most in Silicon Valley who are tech executives don't let their kids use the phone, an iPad, all the things that we were doing because the phone's available, the fifth grader wants it. We get them the phone, but they knew in Silicon Valley how addicted it was. Isn't that crazy? Good for your kids, not for mine. Yes.

So there's a specific type of school called Waldorf Schools, which they're no-tech basically, or very minimal tech up until higher years. It's one of the more prominent type of school systems in Silicon Valley.

So, yeah, we have good data that that's exactly what they were doing.

So, you also said something.

So, everybody pretty much is on the same page. If you came here two years ago, maybe not. But lock that phone away. You're not going to touch it. You say, don't give the kids access to the phone at recess.

And even when they're done with school. Keep the phone away. Why? It's so this was a few hours. As much as you can.

So there was all this data coming out that if a school had a cell phone policy, which said no cell phone during class, but you can bring it out during recess or lunch or whatever, you'd see no benefits to learning, no benefits to well-being. It just didn't work. It was only in schools where you had a hard bell-to-bell band, no one could touch it, no one could see it, that you started to see things kind of start to shift. And so the reasoning for this is a lot of learning happens when you stop.

So once you go through a 50-minute class period that's cognitively engaging, now if you get five to ten minutes of downtime where you just go kick a ball, push a friend into the locker, start talking about random stuff, that's cognitive downtime.

Now your brain gets to work doing what's called consolidation. But usually you're not thinking about the classroom. No, this is where we, a huge chunk of learning, is subconscious. You have to stop thinking about the classroom. But if I held this, isn't that subconscious?

If I'm holding My phone?

So, the problem with phones is that phones are highly cognitively engaging. That's how they kind of work, they're constantly keeping you there.

So, if you pick up a phone, you're going to lose that downtime. I'll tell you what, so much to talk about. Pick up the digital delusion. Jared Warbat, thanks so much. Thank you.

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