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Sponsored by GSK. I am absolutely encouraged. It was the right thing. I will say it's what I expected. I expected the Supreme Court to uphold the legality, essentially, of the 27 states that have laws protecting women's sports.
I did not expect them to go so far as to say all states must adhere essentially to the intent of Title IX. And we have 23 states still that basically will refuse to protect women and girls in their sport categories.
So we're not done. We won, but we're not done, is what I would say. Jennifer Say, as you know, an executive, former CEO of Levi's and a fantastic gymnast in her day, weighed in on the Supreme Court decision last week that said you have to protect women's sports. And if states decide that trans men can't participate in women's sports, that is okay. It stands.
The problem is the other states that say it is okay. Riley Gaines knows that, Outkick contributor, host of the Riley Gaines show, where she's a host there and author. A brand new book just a couple of weeks ago. It's a children's book called 1, 2, 3, We Are Free. Riley, what were your thoughts when that decision came down?
Man, of course, I was excited. This was long awaited, at least speaking personally. But there's a part of me that also feels exhausted. You know, I recognize it as a win. We celebrate, of course, success, victory.
But the fact that we even have to continue to have this conversation nonetheless be brought before the highest court in the land, the Supreme Court, where we have a sitting Supreme Court justice who just a few years ago said she couldn't tell you what a woman is because she doesn't. Tanji Brown. Yeah, because she's not a biologist, which is the most absurd thing I've ever heard because I'm not a veterinarian, but I know what a dog is, Brian. Anyways, so there's a part of me that's exhausted. We recognize it now as progress, right?
Indicating we are moving in the positive forward direction. But I think if you would have told us as a society collectively, even what, five, maybe 10 years ago, that the Supreme Court ruled. That women's sports to have them is not unconstitutional, you would kind of just sit there and be like, Duh. It's not unconstitutional. Kindergarteners know that.
So I'm excited, but I'm exhausted at the same time.
So when Title IX came out, one of the stories that I did a few times was how many men's sports would be eliminated because they couldn't match it with women's sports. You have a football team of 65 guys. seventy five. And then if you have to have just as many female athletes, what they were doing is cutting wrestling, cutting gymnastics, cutting whatever men's sport in order to get uh compliance. And if you didn't have football, it was it was relatively okay.
That was once the hot issue.
Now, all of a sudden, it's like, wait a second, will you stand up for yourself the way you stood up against the men? Will you stand up against the trans men the same way and just say this is not fair to women? But we couldn't get that pervasively anyway. People were afraid of looking intolerant. You know, and it's been the sheer silence from either silence or deflection or refusal to engage.
Or oftentimes, as we even saw in the Supreme Court ruling, it was ultimately, I think it ended up, it's kind of confusing based on the breakdown because it was 9-0 ruling that Title IX should be interpreted as biological sex, but 6-3 in regard to the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. And the three justices who voted against our rights to equal protection as women were all liberal women. And so it kind of proves the point that in our fight to equality, to use the buzzword that they love, in our fight to equality as women, the biggest obstacle that I think we as women face are liberal women. Here's Jennifer say, not a liberal woman, cut 52, on the other states. Not only is it unfair that, depending on your zip code, you might have to face unfairness, but as a matter of practicality, it doesn't work.
If you're a really good athlete, you compete across state lines from a very young age. I was in my first national competition at nine. I competed in New Jersey, but I competed against states all over the country.
So, how is this going to work? If you're in a state like Tennessee that protects women's sports, but you have to go up against a team in California that could field a boy, it doesn't work.
So, it just doesn't work practically, and it's certainly not fair to the girls in the 23 states that don't have laws. Same thing with swimming. Yeah, certainly that's the case. I competed all over the country when I was, I mean, even prior to competing at the collegiate level.
So, what Jen said there is absolutely correct. And it's an important distinction to be made because, again, while we celebrate the win, it's really not, I don't think, as big as the headlines make it out to be, because it's kind of like a may, not must. This ruling says that states may protect. Women's sports, but you don't have to. It's not required or mandatory, shall we say?
Again, it's just not unconstitutional if you do.
So, in the 27 states that have some sort of fairness in women's sports law, this is great. It's the win that we think it is. But in the other 23 states, which you know, the ones, right, the usual bad actors, California, Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Maine, et cetera, et cetera. This really means nothing at all for them. And so, what do I think we're going to see?
I think we're going to continue to see defiance from those elected leaders, with leaders certainly being in air quotes in those states. I think we're going to keep seeing people like Gavin Newsom or Governor Walls attempt. I think what they believe they're doing is giving President Trump a middle finger by defying, openly defying his executive orders and federal law, that federal law being Title IX. But the reality is they're not giving a middle finger to President Trump at all. They're giving a middle finger to every little girl in their state.
So I think there's no reason to believe we won't continue to see that. I hate to say it, but you know, the thing that could break those other states? An injury. That's it.
So if an injury happens because some trans male feels like a woman and runs over on the soccer field, some other athlete, and God forbid they get hurt, then people say, well, how do you feel about that?
Well, honestly, Brian, I don't even think that would be enough to get the other side to recant from their voting record. I think what it's going to do is. To take his real enforcement mechanisms. From the top, from the federal government.
So, what does that mean? It means the Department of Justice may be working in collaboration with the Department of Education, going after these institutions and holding them accountable through monetary means, holding them accountable again for violating the law because that's what they're doing now. Queen Carvania stood haloed by the morning sun. An army hung on her every word. My champions, I have sold my chariot on Carvana.
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So Riley, today on Capitol Hill, August Fluger, the congressman from Texas, and his colleagues are demanding accountability from the commissioner of the WNBA for the multiple attacks against Caitlin Clark, a player in his words, and I agree, transforming women's sports and inspiring a new generation of young girls to participate in sports. I'm putting the league on notice that if it keeps letting the violent targeting slide, they could find themselves facing the DOJ or EEOC crackdown for violating federal civil rights law. Do you feel as though this is something Congress should be involved with? Yeah, you know, it's hard as a very principled conservative and someone who really truthfully, not just the talking point, but really does believe in limited government. But what I think that we have seen, or again, I'll speak personally, what I've seen for two years from Caitlin Clark is.
I don't think it can be described as anything other than repeated targeted violence. The amount of cheap shots and hard fouls and physical play beyond what is considered normal basketball, eye pokes and hip checks and throat grabs, all targeting Caitlin Clark without the refs blowing their whistles.
So, look, I think this is a worthwhile use of their time. And I don't think at this point we've heard a response from the commissioner, but I will be interested to see. I know they followed up this letter with a couple pretty key questions. I mean, as simple as what are you actually doing to protect your athletes? I'll be excited to see how the WNBA responds.
Up until this point, certainly what we've seen in the past few years, I don't think there's a league or an organization more dedicated to self-imploding than the WNBA.
So I can't imagine a response that will bode well. As a soccer player, you always have to go into the towns, talk to the clubs, try to get them to come to the games with their parents, just what you do. If you're an emerging sport like La Crosse, those are two great sports, right? But they're not football, they're not basketball.
So what you do is you go in there, you send your players in, you pay them a little bit more, they make appearances. I have never seen a Liberty player doing a CYO or any type of game. They don't even know who they are. This way, if 1,000 people show up at Madison Square Garden, it doesn't matter because they don't put the time in. They still get paid and sustained by the NBA.
Yeah, no, that's right. We were just talking prior to this, too. We see it across the board, I think, certainly, and probably one of the most obvious examples of this being the WNBA and the NBA. But the WNBA doesn't necessarily have to worry about their marketing. Or their ratings or their franchise because they subsidize everything from the NBA.
And it's the same thing we've seen with our U.S. women's national soccer team and the U.S. men's national soccer team. I just saw an article where I think the U.S. men's team, their earnings ended up being, I think, $12.8 million, if I can recall correctly.
And they have to split that in some way, shape, or form with the U.S. women's national team. Doesn't make sense to me. Because the revenue is not the same on the women's side. That was the problem.
And they talked about equal pay. The problem is revenue. I can't go to New York City. If I'm a waiter in New York City, I am going to get paid more than a waiter in Kentucky, a small town in Kentucky. I don't deserve equal pay.
Why? The prices are less. The tips are less, so I shouldn't be sharing. That's just the way it is. But we'll see how that goes.
Lastly, on what you were talking about, Caitlin Clark, here's their coach when she heard that the Congress is thinking about looking at the hard fouls on Caitlin Clark, Cut 53, Stephanie White. Concerning reports suggest that many of these attacks against Caitlin Clark may be racially motivated. What's your reaction to that? Our team made a statement yesterday, so you can find that statement. No, I understand that.
I just mean as a coach, when you you know, you hear one of your players is being mentioned in a letter. From members of Congress to the Commissioner of the League. You know, what how do you handle that? Again, that's not something we can control. We're not affiliated with those groups, and we try to keep the main thing, the main thing, and focus on the things that we can control.
I mean, I just don't understand how hard it is to say, look, Caitlin Clark is our player, and we stand with her. We want all players to be safe. I mean, it's really as simple as that. And again, I hate to keep comparing women's sports to men's sports, but think back to Harrison Butker, right, of the Chiefs. And when he was involved in the controversy, he spoke at the commencement and he said, you know, he gave pro-life talking points, encouraging people to get married and have children and to grow in their faith.
When the head coach of the Chiefs was asked about this, he defended his player. When other teammates were asked about this, they defended their teammate. Women just tend to be caddy. I hate the reputation. I hate the stereotype, but they prove it to be true, as we saw here.
I don't know why the coach can't say something as simple and PR trained as Caitlin Clark is our player. We want her to be safe, as with the rest of the people. I just saw your nine-month-old daughter. I know how much children mean to you. You want a big family, obviously, it's beautiful.
Your book is now out: one, two, three, we are free. Why did you think this is the right time? And what do you want the message to be?
Well, you did. My daughter's here in New York with me. She is the light of my life. When I think about her in the country that I want her to inherit, it is a more safe one. It's a more fair one.
It's a more just one, more moral, more righteous, more opportunistic, more prosperous nation. The education system now is designed to tell kids all of America's flaws and the hardships that we've gone through. And certainly, those are a part of America's history, but they leave out the American exceptionalism that I believe, even still currently, that we are living through, and how it's only going to get better from here. That's what this book is. It's a little board book.
So for young children, designed to teach them how to count to 10. As young as my daughter, the book is dedicated to our daughter. Her name's Margot. And so it was really special to be able to, on that dedication page, write this for her. Obviously, she can't read it yet on her own, but to be able to one day give it to her.
Hopefully, she knows what her mom has fought for. It's her, quite frankly. She's everything I'm fighting for.
So very exciting. You could find out more and get the book in a signed copy with myself. I know Dr. Ben Carson also had a book in this collection and Kirk Cameron at 250 Riley or Riley250.com. All right, Riley250.com.
All right, go out and grab it. You're not going to be, especially this year of 250. Yeah, come on. People want to have a reason to understand their exceptional and maybe push back against the schools that don't feel that way. Lastly, we've been covering over the last three days, even today, the whole Charlie Kirk trial and the assassin.
He admitted to it three times. He's got a witness that says it, put it in text message that said it, has a handwritten. Written note underneath the keyboard that said his parents turned him in. But yet, conspiracy theorists have said G. Egypt was involved, Israel was involved, Netanyahu was involved, Erica Kirk had him killed, Erica Boyfriend had him killed, Andrew Colvin had him killed, Turning Point had him killed, all these things.
And now, all these podcasters and influencers have been running wild over the last year. Does it end from what we saw over the last two days? You forgot the people in the maroon shirts, Brian. They were also involved. Honestly, I think the faction of People who are chronically online who believe these things or tout these talking points, there's nothing that you could present to them evidence-wise, like hard evidence.
There's nothing you could present to them that would get them to say, you know, maybe I had this wrong. Maybe we should lay off Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, the mother of his children. Maybe she wasn't actually involved. There's nothing at this point.
So, knowing that and kind of coming to terms with that myself, because I found myself over the past 10 months, uh, I would say irrationally angry, but saying that, maybe it's rationally and justifiably angry at the people who tout these talking points. I don't think there's anything that you can say to them that will at this point get them to change their mind or to say, maybe I was wrong.
Well, the thing is, they're not unintelligent.
Some of them are not. Which is even more concerning, though. Right.
So, if just some crazy like Alex Jones is actually not unintelligent either, but the Sandy Hook or actors, he got sued for that, lost everything, and he should have. Number two, We never landed on the moon, that the president wasn't really shot at Butler. You know, we saw on the other side, we saw them try to lie to us and tell us the laptop wasn't real.
Well, I'm not saying you should believe everything at face value, and I understand why people are skeptical. But I think there's a point between skeptical and responsible. Totally. And we're at that point because we're about to start another election season. Totally.
And then it's going to be Republican against Republican, Democrat against Democrat. And then you got to wonder, well, what is real? What is not real? When it comes to the pretrial, I want it to be known. I had questions of my own that I wrestled with as well.
Not any of the necessarily crazy conspiratorial, but did Tyler Robinson act alone? What other institutions ultimately contributed to the woke mind virus that I certainly believe that he had contracted? Is it Reddit? Is it schooling? Is it public education?
I want all of those places to be investigated and held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.
So to act like those of us who. Again, at this point, alleged, and I certainly believe in our justice system, innocent until proven guilty. But for those of us who do believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger, that doesn't mean that we're not seeking truth and justice like the other side. They think they're the only ones who want those things. I promise you, Charlie Kirk's bride wants truth and justice for Charlie.
She had nothing to do with it to torture her. I've seen her behind the scenes. And let me tell you, Brian. While she is so strong, and I think she's doing an incredible job leading turning point, which is exactly what Charlie wanted. It's Heartbreaking.
Behind the scenes. Especially because she knows a lot of them. It's heartbreaking. Because she knows them. Riley Gaines.
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