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So bad you're there. We're watching the listening to the arguments on birthright citizenship. The President of the United States, extraordinarily, is there watching it. We believe it's the first time a sitting president has sat in on any court, any Supreme Court proceedings like this, but it means a lot to them. Birthright citizenship.
The question is, law passed in the 1860s, 14th Amendment, to make sure that slaves were American citizens and their kids and American Indians were not. Does that apply today? When people do birth tourism, Like China is And people come across the border illegally, illegal parents. And they give birth, the kid becomes a citizen. Are you okay with that?
Is that what the law was intended to do? Doug Schoen is with us now, former Clinton advisor, Bloomberg advisor, long-term Democratic strategist. Doug, where do you stand on this, birthright citizenship? Do you feel as though there should be a partisan debate? Mm-hmm.
You know, I think there should be a debate, hopefully not a partisan one, Brian, because I think the world has changed. But on the other hand, it's enshrined in our Constitution that it exists. But undeniably, people have crossed the southern border to have their kids born in the U.S. I know of cases of people who have had from foreign countries come to the U.S. to make sure their kids have American citizenship.
On one sense, I think that's a good thing that people cherish what we frequently hear at home take for granted. On the other hand, I think it's an appropriate time for the highest court to evaluate whether, in fact, the constitutional precepts are accurate and fair for the time today. Why do you think the president is there? I think he's there to underscore to the justices how important it is to him. that this issue be revisited in a serious and substantial way.
And I think it's his way of saying that he hopes full and complete consideration will be to the arguments that he and his legal advisors have made. All right, let's move to the DHS. I just can't believe that both sides are home for two weeks and they take money out of one pot to pay a portion of those not being paid at the TSA, but the support staff's not being paid. Cybersecurity is not being paid. A lot of the civilian staff on the Coast Guard is not being paid.
Do you believe the President should use his power to bring everybody back and come up with a solution here? Yes, I do. I think this is a Clear case where we need presidential leadership. The fact that we have airports that are non-functional, I don't know if you've experienced it, I have. And it's frankly contrary to everything we as Americans expect.
And I'm very glad the president did what he did last week. And I hope it gets extended to support staff.
So, yes. Yeah, I mean, it hasn't been done since 1948. You almost think you got to go past leadership because they're all dug in so much, Doug. Exactly. This is a failure of congressional leadership on both sides, Brian.
So there's Tom Swasey and Brian Fitzpatrick are working on some bipartisan legislation going forward. They talk about reforms. The Senate would not have done any reforms, would not have funded. The House said, just go for 60 straight days. We want to make sure DHS is funded.
So that's the impasse right now. But I think that Brian Fitzpatrick and Tom Swasey, known as moderates by their party, that might be the way forward. Oh, I would strongly support that. As you and I have discussed many times for many years, I believe passionately in bipartisan approaches, not because I want kumbaya, but because I want consensus and compromise, which sadly we have very little of in today's America.
So let's talk about what's happening in New York. They're talking about raising the corporate tax 7.5 to 7.5 to 9.5. And Albany is supposedly wide open to it to close their budget gap. Jamie Dimon came on with us and says, you got to be kidding me. This is the type of thing that forces people out of the city.
Used to work for Mike Bloomberg, another business titan that was not, you know, he got elected as a Republican, ended up a moderate, then was for the Democratic Party. But he's talking about Jamie Dimon, how people leave cities because of things like this, Cut 25. I tell Pill, everyone's got to compete, including cities. And for a city to compete, of course, it's quality of life, it's your subways, it's your hospitals, but it's also individual taxes, estate taxes, corporate taxes, and it drives people out.
So all you have to do is look at California. Uh versus Nevada. You know, New York versus Florida, and there's a huge exodus taking place. It's not good for the city. And people just make a mistake.
Oh, just tax these people. But that's the outcome. And very often people think they're being moral by doing that. But they're not. What they're doing is they're hurting your own city and peop unfortunately people vote with their feet.
You must have had conversations like this with Michael Bloomberg. What do you think? You know, many years ago, yes, I did. I think, and I can't speak for him, nor would I try. But going back to um The Distant past 20 odd years ago.
I know he is broadly sympathetic with the view that Jamie Dimon is expressing. Mike Bloomberg has kept his flagship for Bloomberg LP here in New York. He employs thousands of people here. And I think Jamie Dimon is exactly right. If taxes get increased, it's going to continue to drive people out of the city.
And that's just not going to be in the long-term interest of New York or New Yorkers. But they want to close their budget deficit. And the way to do it, they believe, is to raise taxes. And you have a mayor that says, I don't think being a billionaire is allowed. I agree.
I was fervently against Mandami's election. He has not convinced me since. That he is the right man for the job. About the only thing he's done that I would tell you I support is when he said he was going to go back on his intention of raising real estate taxes, which would have had the same impact on population and business that Jamie Dimon was talking about.
So I just think this is a time to tighten our belt, not raise taxes across the board.
So, Governor Hokul, who told New Yorkers three years ago: if you don't like it, hit the road, go to Palm Beach, now she's saying this. I need people who are High net worth to support the generous social programs that we want to have in our state. Right.
Now, there are some patriotic millionaires who stepped up.
Okay. Cut me the checks. I mean, just if you want to be supportive, but maybe the first step should be to go down to Palm Beach and see who you can bring back home because our tax base has been eroded. Right.
Why has it been eroded, Doug? Really? I'm supposed to go down and recruit people from Palm Beach because I'm in New York. And to do what? What's the incentive to come back?
Because it's patriotic to pay more taxes in New York than Florida? Yeah. Brian, it made no sense as I listened to Governor Hokul. I know she said this, she said it many times, but I would think we want to remain competitive, not drive people out, and then basically guilt trip them in ways that will doom to failure. To come back and pay more taxes because somehow it's the right or the fair thing to do.
Makes no sense to me and is completely contrary to what I believe is in our interest as a state and city and a country. Yeah, let's talk about the state. It looks like Bruce Blakeman's going to get the Republican nomination running against Kathy Hochul. And he's got to get name recognition up. He's got to go upstate.
He's got to go through Nassau. Nassau, where he's the. He is the guy in charge.
Now we have the Suffolk, he's got to win over, and he's got to take a piece. Of the city.
So far, he started off when he declared his candidacy 63.17. Then it was 54.25.
So now it's now a thirteen he's went from a twenty point race to a thirteen point race. It is now 47.34. Where's this race going, Doug Shoan? I think it will continue to tighten as people get to know Bruce Blakeman and think about Kathy Hochul. And I think the other thing that we haven't discussed is that when people come to realize that Hochul is now cultivating and catering to Zoran Mandami in the far left, I think it will motivate swing voters outside New York, but even independents and some moderate Democrats in the city to reconsider whether they want to support a governor who was elected initially as an upstate moderate and is now clearly serving as a left-wing advocate for policies that I think are inimical to our city and state.
Yeah, and so we'll see. Bruce certainly has got to get his name recognition up throughout the state, but he's certainly got the energy to do it and the experience. And now he's got a track record in Nassau County, but he's also pro-choice.
So I know for a while there was a much hotter issue last election cycle. But if you're going to go and try to, you know, because Lise Eldon was pro-life, they say that as great a campaign as he ran with abortion such a hot issue last time, it made it hard. Does that make a difference now? It does. It is very hard in New York State, which has an 18% Democratic advantage and where Democrats are almost unanimously pro-choice.
It's very hard to get elected as a pro-life candidate.
So I think politically, and I would certainly support it, being pro-choice is the right way for Blakeman to go and gives him a better chance in the election.
So I want you to hear the no-kings protest, Doug. I didn't see you out there. I might have missed it because it was in so many cities, but it was a Democratic rally. But so many of the theme was not to me the typical Democratic rally. Yeah, I know you don't like Trump, but I didn't know you love communism.
Listen to some of these no kings protesters this weekend. Yes! Tell them. Run so luck. Shit, I'm you guys.
Travel. Communist revolution! There is only one solution! There is only one solution! Is that disconcerting to you too?
It's very disconcerting to me. I'm one of those who believes that the Democratic Party should be moderate and inclusive. Yes, we need social welfare. Yes, we need policies that Pick up people who for whatever reason need help. But no, I don't believe in communist revolution.
I don't believe in the progressive far left. And I think that the No Kings rally suggests very clearly to me and the electorate how far left the Democratic Party is and out of step with mainstream America.
So who would you like to see? Who do you think is going to be on the stage in 2028 battling for the nomination and for the presidency? And who do you want to see?
So who do you think is going to be there? And then who do you want to see? I would love to see a moderate candidate like Josh Shapiro. Uh like Andy. Uh Bashir from Kentucky.
Um But I worry Then The likely nominee Will be Gavin Newsom. I say that. Because while he's opposed to wealth tax, He has joined with uh the far left progressives in demonizing Israel and calling it an apartheid state, which to me is contrary to everything I believe and have grown up with as a mainstream Democrat for my entire life. Yeah, he walked that back, but I think that pe almost everyone on the stage when it comes to a Democrat will be denouncing Israel, sadly. And some reason.
It is one of the most chilling developments in our politics and makes it very hard for me to be as enthusiastic about The Democratic Party that I once was. And look, there's ultra-right, too. I have no patience for it. Israel is the other definition of a great ally, and we're seeing it again. Doug Shoan, thank you so much.
Ryan, always a pleasure. Thank you. You got it.