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Hi everyone, welcome to the latest moments of the Brain Kill Meat Show. When you have a chance to talk to the President of the United States, you do it. and you make sure there's no commercials and you make sure you can go as long as he can tolerate you. That's exactly what I did and I thought this would be a perfect time. to talk to, to relive my interview with President Trump.
Who really is kind to this radio show. He's been on a number of times and always says love doing the radio show.
So here's the forty-fifth and forty-seventh President of the United States talking about his Gavin Newsom, his West Coast push to get some law and order there. And the fire recovery. Let's listen. Mr. President, do you think that putting these troops in there and this Democratic mayor is not necessarily embracing at least publicly is and what you did in Los Angeles, despite that the governor didn't want it and the mayor didn't want it, you sent in backups, Marines, and National Guard.
Do you think that might force Democratic cities to crack down on crime so you don't have to? Yeah, the good politicians, the smart ones, the sane people will, and the other ones will go out of their way to try and show them that I'm wrong on crime. Look, this is another, you know, they call them 80-20s. I think it's 100 to nothing. But they're going to have to handle it the way they want.
I'm there to help. But if I see a city going bad, I said it last time. Last time. I went right by every perfect little edict and rule. And I'd let the governors run their stuff and they'd run it into the ground.
I had that wacko in Minnesota. You saw what happened in Minneapolis. And if I didn't send in the troops, you wouldn't have Minnesota well, you wouldn't have Minneapolis standing today. You saw how bad it was. But I sent in the troops very late because He wouldn't do it.
He wasn't He was, the whole city was burning down. That was the wacker that ran for vice president. Governor Waltz. Yeah, he was a real beauty. But again, I said, if I ever do this again, this is what I was thinking about it.
I said, I'm going to act before the fact. I'm not going to act after the fact. And, you know, you see what they did to Portland. You see, it's not going to happen this time.
Now, Gavin Newsom wouldn't have a Los Angeles standard. You know, we have the Olympics coming. That was a part of my thinking there, too. We have the Olympics coming. He just lost 25,000 houses to fires that shouldn't have happened.
It was only because he didn't allow water to come into that part of Los Angeles or, frankly, into California because he cut off the water. They send it out to the Pacific Ocean. But I overrode him. After the fires, I overrode him, and they have water coming down. They should be allowing more.
We're going to go into that next. But Gavin Newsom, if he would have allowed the water, you wouldn't have had a fire. But I said, if I don't send people in, you're not going to have a city for the Olympics. We have the Olympics coming. And the World Cup.
You already have 24,000 houses. And by the way, they're not able to get the permits for them. You know, the federal government with Lee Zeldin is fantastic. The federal government got all the permits and gave them all the federal permits necessary. They could build their houses.
But the state and the city are not getting them the permits after that. And I know that for a fact, because I know people out there, only 1% of the permits has been given. It's an embarrassment and they're getting away with it, which is sickening. I want to talk about California. What do they want to do?
They want to build low-income housing. They want to take away some of the sites that are owned by people and build low-income housing. You can't do it. The whole beauty of that area. I was there right after the fire, very closely to immediately after the fire, as soon as I felt it was the right time.
But immediately. And I met the people. They were all standing in front of their sites. There were literally ashes. The steel was wrapped up in balls.
It was like a blowtorch because of the winds. And I went there and I saw every person on two or three streets I went to, every family was in front of their house with a yellow cord. You can't go on it. And they said, We want to start immediately, sir. I said, Why don't you start?
They won't let us. I gave them the federal permits almost immediately. That's the hardest permit to get, by the way. And they still don't have their permits. And you told Mayor Bess, let them do it.
And she said she would. She wants them to be safe. He goes, They know how to be safe. It was, to me, it was one of your finest moments because she didn't do it. You agree.
She said, We'll get them over a two-year period. Do you remember that? I said, Two years? You mean two days? Mr.
President, I lost all my stuff there in a fire in Malibu in the 90s, and they still hadn't rebuilt it seven years later. But I want to talk about Gavin Newsom. Yeah, I want to. I have an incompetent governor. He's an incompetent governor, and the mayor is grossly incompetent.
And that worries me because we have the Olympics going there.
Well, you know, Gavin Newsom's taking you on. He thinks that's his best passion. To being the next president of the United States, in my view. And he posted on X, he gave you a warning instead of Governor Abbott, saying that if you allow Governor Abbott to go through with his gerrymander, he's going to do that in California. He posted this, I guess, trying to take the Trump approach.
Donald Trump. Trump, Taco Trump, as many call him, missed the deadline. California will not draw, will now draw new, more beautiful maps. They will be historic and they will end the Trump presidency. The Dems will take back the House in the midterms.
What's your take on Gavin's warning that you missed?
Well, Gavin is an incompetent governor. Very You see what's happened to Los Angeles. And if I didn't send the troops in, you probably wouldn't have much of a Los Angeles standing right now. Those troops did a hell of a job. And you know who loved it?
The sheriff and the police.
Now, after about a week or so, then the sheriff sort of said, well, maybe we can the sheriff, take a look at the sheriff's statement the first day or two. They asked him, Do you need the troops? And he said, Absolutely, we can't do this by ourselves.
Now he changed his tone about two weeks later.
So that's the president going from one topic to another. You throw anything at him, and he never says, Well, I can't talk about that. No, I can talk about it. And we did. In fact, coming up next, the after effects of Russia Gate.
Not only did it hurt his first two years in office, but it really hurt U.S.-Russia relations. I wanted to discuss that. Immigration, where he stands, as much as people are happy about the border. They're not happy in many cases about the hunting down of illegal immigrants. How does he change that?
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Save up to 50% site-wide plus a free measure. Rules and restrictions may apply. Hey, welcome back. I mean, President Trump, he went from the least experienced president to the most experienced president. And I say that because a lot of guys do two terms, but not many people do four, take a break, study what they did wrong, study what other people did right too, and study what other people.
Uh we're doing in those four years and then said I'm coming back. When you try to come back, if you're Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCain, it usually just doesn't work. You know, you tried once, it's hard to get the momentum and money again because it looks like you lost. even though the president felt like he never lost. Let's listen.
I just think it's very interesting, and I don't want to dwell too much on it, but the whole Russia situation with Hillary Clinton comes up to try to make it seem like you colluded with Russia in order to win an election, you're saying that hurt U.S.-Russian relations. Because Putin, with all of his terrible track records, that's my view, not yours, perhaps, but that's in my words, with his terrible track record and with his horrible invasion that he did and what he does to his neighbors, he actually didn't infiltrate the election besides hacking John Podesta's emails. And you're saying it hurt U.S. relations throughout your four years. They don't even know about John Podesta's emails.
They had a couple of hackers who spent, in some cases, $50, $49.95, $101, and $103. That's what they have. These were hackers. These were people probably in Russia. That took ads.
They took ads for Like this was the, had nothing to do with, frankly, Russia had nothing to do with me. No, they created a story. I remember when they said, I saw it on one of the networks, they were saying, after Hillary lost, this was going to be just a quick one-day, two-day excuse for why she lost, and the fake news picked it up and went with it. They do the same thing with the Epstein crap. They do the same exact thing.
It's the exact same thing. Anything they can do to demean.
So what happens is they picked it up. And I remember one of the people, I won't even mention who now 'cause it could be that he's got problems and I'm not going to get involved in that, but got up and said, Well, Russia was the reason we lost. And I had that's the first time I said, Russia, I'm listening to this. I'm saying like the day after the election, shortly after the election. I said, What's that all about?
But I didn't think much about it. It wa you know, I figured it was an excuse, which it was. But what happened is the fake news picked it up and made it a two-year ordeal. And then it turned out with a Mueller report, think of this: 18 different people we had, 18 different people on that Mueller. Everyone was an anti-Trumper.
Every single one of them was a negative Trumper. And you know what? They ruled that I did absolutely nothing wrong.
So, in one way, I was very impressed by that, actually, if you want to know the truth. I had somebody of the 18, I had somebody in there who was an angel because it's almost impossible for that. They could have ruled whatever they wanted to do, they could have made up a story like they do so often. And you know, guys like Weissman and some of these real scum, they're real scum. They were so involved in that.
He wrote a book about how. And he was on the commission. I think he was one of the guys on the commission.
Well, he was right. They said he was the brain behind Robert Mueller, who had lost his fastball. Sadly, I think he's doing some physical problems. Just real quick on that: Melania, the first lady, Melania Trump is suing Hunter Biden for a billion dollars because he said that Jeffrey Epstein introduced you to each other, and she's suing Hunter for a billion dollars. Is that the right thing to do?
Well, I said go forward. You know, I've done pretty well in these lawsuits lately, and I said go forward with it. Jeffrey Epstein had nothing to do with Melania and introducing. But they do that to demean. They make up stories.
I mean, I can tell you exactly how it was that it was another person, actually. I did meet through another person. But there wasn't Jeffrey Epstein. Uh, yeah, I told her, Let's go ahead and do it. I let her use my lawyers.
Right. She's very upset about it. Big story out today that China is about to overtake America in the electric car and really outstrip Tesla. They probably took a lot of the technology. Your thoughts about losing the electric car business to China, does that worry you?
I don't like losing. any business. We're leading in AI. We're leading in so much. They know it.
We're way ahead of them in terms of chips. We have Jensen and all these guys that are phenomenal. We're way ahead of them.
Now that Blackwell is coming out, it's It's so advanced that they won't catch it for years. No, we're leading them. The electric car is different. See, I don't, you know, do I care? Yeah, I don't like it.
But I am a believer that somebody should buy both cars. You should, you if you want to buy a gasoline-powered car, you know, we have more. We have more oil and gas than any other country. And I say if you want to buy Something where we have under the ground, you know, the batteries. Uh China has that, but we have oil and gas.
And a lot of people want. Look, it seems to be so far like a 7 or 10 percent market. China's gone all out. If they catch us, they're not coming into here. You know, I have tariffs, so they can't come here.
They can't come in with that brand new car. I want to go back to immigration if I can. Mr. President, I don't want them destroying our automobile business.
Somebody else would let them in, and in about six months, we wouldn't have an automobile business in this country. I know it's going to cost like $21,000, and Europe's trying to keep them out, too. Mr. President, as you know, you've sealed the border in a way that I don't think anyone thought was possible. But because of that, you have an interesting situation.
You have people here for generations that, of course, they're not going to get citizenship, but they've been working on farms. A lot of farmers voted for you. They work in hospitality. A lot of hospitality workers voted for you. They work in meat packing areas.
Do you have a plan? And I know some Republicans are going to get upset by this, but do you have a plan to give them long-term work visas, not citizenship, to not hurt the people, not hurt our economy?
So as you know, I won the election with the farmers by like 88%. I won the election with the people that want strong borders by probably a hundred percent, I would imagine, right? I mean, how could you vote for somebody that wants open borders, that never called a border patrol, that never went to the site? You know the borders are never even went to the border.
So I must have got, I don't know what it is, but let's assume it's like 130%.
So I won the border, I won everything. And to be honest, I love all those people. They have a little bit different thing in life. The farmers want to have. People that can work very hard in the fields, and the other people don't want to have anybody from outside of our country.
And I am working in a plan that I think is going to make everybody very happy. We have to take care of our farmers, we love our farmers. But we also have to take care of people that want total security and safety in our country. We're going to take care of both. Do you think within three months you'll have an answer to the hospitality workers, meat packers, and farmers?
Because I think they make up.
So within three months? Yep, I think people are going to be happy. All right. I want to make, look, they're all great. They love our country.
That group of people, the Democrats don't love our country. I think they hate our country. They're crazy. They've gone crazy. I just got to ask you about Jimmy Lai.
He's a self-made billionaire, Hong Kong friend of the West. And he was taken when Hong Kong was taken by the Chinese government. He's been jailed. Closing arguments today. His son joined me.
And I did not know you knew you knew Sebastian. Sebastian like here's what young lady. Here's what he said. Cut three. Does President Trump know him?
We've been incredibly grateful that the President mentioned that 100% he will free my father. He mentioned it in a radio show with Hugh Hewitt. And it's given our family a lot of hope because at this point it is about freeing him, but it's about saving his life. I don't know how much longer he has.
So, your thoughts, because you're going to be meeting President Xi, and he could do that just by one finger. I didn't say 100% of the save him. I said 100%, I'm going to be bringing it up, and I've already brought it up. And I'm going to do everything I can to save him. I'm going to do everything.
You know, he's a respected guy. He's a good guy. I mean, you could also understand President Xi would not be exactly thrilled by doing it. It was, you know, it was a very nasty period of time in the history of China. I mean, it was a very nasty period of time.
With all of that being said, his name has already entered the circle of things that we're talking about. And we'll see what we can do. I really like the son a lot. I love that he's fighting so hard for his father. And his father is, you know, not a young guy.
He's You know, how much longer is he going to live? And I hear he's doing okay health-wise, not great. And we're going to do everything we can. Chuck Todd came out and said, you're dominating like no president since FDR. And that includes education.
Because in education, Brown, Columbia, George Washington University, UCLA, all of these universities are straightening up and paying a price. Why did the cult changing the culture matter to you, or does it, now that you're back?
Well, it matters a lot. The culture of a country matters so much. That's the sad thing about Ukraine. If you look at what's happened to those cities, they've been decimated. Those magnificent spires have all been, almost all of them have been knocked to the ground.
They're in smithereens. And you know, it's so sad. No culture matters so much. One thing on education that we're doing that you didn't mention, and it's true, these woke, crazy colleges are paying a very big price. And you haven't heard anything yet when you hear some of these settlements that we're doing.
But they're paying a big price. But what we're really doing with education, which I think is almost as important, maybe more important, is we're sending it back to the States. And the states are accepting it too. really gracefully and beautifully. And they want it.
They desperately want it. We have 40 states where education would be as good as any place in the world. We have 10 where it won't be so good because it's like, you know, like a guy like Gavin Newsome, he's not going to run good education. But 'cause he doesn't know how he's uh you know, it's just got him out. But a place like Los Angeles is going to be tough.
But all over, you go to Iowa, you go to Indiana, you go to all these places, Nebraska. Every one of these places they're going to have Florida's going to be phenomenal. We're sending Education back. to their to the state. And we're getting it out of Washington DC and the bureaucrats where you know, you have people that are involved with like Florida from Washington.
They've never even been there and they're running education in Florida. We're sending it back so that Ron can run it, so that all the governors can run it, and they're going to do a great job.
Now, ten states are not going to do as well, but they're the same like a guy like Pritzker won't do a good job with education. He probably doesn't even want it back. But Pritzker won't do a good job, Newsom won't do a good job. You know, the various the same places that run badly will do a bad job, but 90% of the country is going to do a phenomenal job. We're sending education back to the states where the parents are involved, they love their children, where the teachers are involved, they love the children, and it's not going to be run by the bureaucrats in Washington, D.C.
that are destroying. I mean, we have the worst education almost in the world for a top 40 country. You know, we're like 38, 39, and 40 out of 40 in education.
So obviously, we're doing something wrong. That won't happen for long. When education goes back to these well-run states, it'll run as well as the various places like Denmark, Austria. You have some countries that have like great education. Interestingly, China does very well with education, so you can't blame it on size, but they do very well with education.
And lastly, on behalf of Massapequa, you and Linda McMahon helping keep the Chiefs' name.
So that means a lot. Brian, I love Massa Pequeque. I have a lot of friends in Massapequa, including you. But I love Massapequa. I've heard that name for years, okay?
And they have a championship team. They always have a great team. I know there are young people that played on that team. And great people. We got to get the name back to the Chiefs.
And you know what? They're demeaning the Indians by taking. It's actually the opposite of what they think. They're demeaning. That's a place.
And that town is sort of based around that whole football thing that they have going there.
So we're working hard. You know, it's a state problem, not a federal problem.
So we have to interject, and we've done that into the state. But the state is fighting us very hard. But I think we'll be successful with it. You're always successful. Mr.
President, thanks so much. Best of luck in Alaska. And I look forward to seeing you walking on that military base and greeting Vladimir Putin. And we'll do the best we can, and I think we'll have a good result in the end. All right.
Go get him. Thanks so much, Mr. President. Thank you very much, Brian. Appreciate it.
Very good. Thank you.
So coming up next, and by the way, special thanks to the president for making it work and his staff for making, and we rescheduled three or four times, and I thought for sure it was going to be canceled. But instead, we just got it. Can you do that day at that time? And I said, absolutely, we'll work it out. Coming up next, Jen Easterly.
The colonel is a teacher at West Point, is a cyber expert. Sadly, thanks to one person's review, Laura Loomer. Uh generous though generously is not in Washington. We'll talk about it. It's Will Kane Country.
Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday at FoxNews.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days a week at FoxnewsPodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. We have never talked about the need to seize any territories. Neither Crimea nor Donbas nor Novorossiya as territories have ever been our goal.
Our goal was to protect Russian people who lived on these lands for centuries, discovered these lands and shed blood for them. If I could quote, I believe Some type of Adam Sandler movie. We're all dumber having heard that. Can you imagine this? Russia saying that our goal has never been to control Ukrainian land.
That's all they've been doing is try to control the entire country. And they're not there to save Russian people. I don't know who he's talking to, but Sergei Lavrov continues to talk, and he's not making the peace process any easier. Joining us now is Jen Easterly, former United States Director of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, retired army officer with two bronze stars. Jen, welcome back.
Great to be here. Welcome, I should say. Yeah, great to be here. First off, as we look at this conflict right now, as we're trying to bring it to an end, When you were trying to analyze What the Russian motives is. How much do you listen to the Foreign Secretary who's been there for decades?
Yeah.
So. In my in what I've been doing was very focused on Russia as a cyber threat.
So as the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, we looked hard at what Russia was doing in terms of its cyber capabilities, specifically in Ukraine and then against our own networks, federal networks. You remember SolarWinds, you remember some of the attacks around federal networks. But I was in Kyiv last year working with Ukrainian cyber defenders and those who are trying to shore up their critical infrastructure. And quite frankly, you could see the brutality and the vicious attacks, both kinetic and non-kinetic.
So in terms of who to trust in the Russian government to include their foreign secretary, I'm not sure I would put any trust in them. How capable are they within the cyber world? How capable? Very capable. You know, I put China at the top.
China is really the pacing threat. But Russia has shown a real capability, particularly to go after Ukraine infrastructure and a Capability to go after our own infrastructure. The other thing, Brian, is Russia is a safe haven for a lot of these criminal groups, right? These gangs that hang out in Eastern Europe. And that's a big business.
It's a multi-trillion dollar business, $10.5 trillion in cybercrime damages. If cybercrime was a country, it would be behind GDP in the U.S. and China. And a lot of that is devastating U.S. businesses, large and small, these ransomware attacks, hospitals, schools.
So we got to look at Russia as giving safe haven to these gangs, but also in terms of their capability to come after us and after Ukraine.
So what about North Korea? Yeah, very serious threat as well. North Korea, and this is underreported, but really fascinating. What they've been doing is putting Fake IT workers and getting them hired into Fortune 500 companies using stolen identities. And they're collecting money and then shuttling it back to Pyongyang.
Actually, FBI just rolled up a server farm that basically was helping to support these North Korean IT workers. It's been a really big deal.
So great on the FBI, but we need to do more of these actions to impose costs, including sanctions.
So the one thing that people talk about is: well, the Russians never attacked a NATO nation, but they have through cyber attacks. Oh, absolutely. All over the Baltics. Absolutely. Didn't they just try to punish Estonia for moving a statue with a cyber attack?
Yeah, that was big in 2007, and they've done a lot since then.
So there's a bunch of reasons to be concerned about Russia. I mean, as you said yourself, this is bigger than Ukraine. This is about pushing back on authoritarian aggression. This is about supporting democracy. But really, all of this is connected at the end of the day.
The defense of Ukraine against Russia is really. Really, the deterrence of China against Taiwan.
So, there's a lot of signaling going on here. And that's why it's so important that the president get this deal. And I was very encouraged by what I saw in the beginning of the week with the meeting with President Zelensky and the rest of the European leaders. Look, America is best when it's showing leadership and strength, and that matters. And history shows that with the strong America and strong allies, we will be safer and more secure.
Well, NATO's got the message. They no longer can sit there and say and think that Russia is not a threat. They have the message. And adding those two countries has been great. They lost Syria because of it.
Now we have 5% of GDP. We hope, in theory, at least 2% or 3% are going to go to these NATO nations.
So in that way, Russia has failed. Because they alerted their enemies the subtle way they took portions of Georgia and capped it, they took Crimea and kept it, parts of the Donbass and kept it.
Now the invasion. has alerted everyone.
So it's no longer Trump sitting there saying, Let's get rid of Nordstrom 2 and them saying why. Why do that? It's good to have relations with Russia.
Now everybody knows we can't do that. Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's going to be a tough road ahead. I mean, this is a hard deal to get a trilateral, to get a ceasefire. You saw the vicious attacks overnight, a lot of civilian casualties. I think they went after a U.S.-Singaporean business in the West. Look, at the end of the day, this is going to be tough negotiations, but it's important to have that united front with the president, with European leaders, and with President Zelensky.
Jen, what do you think the Russian economy is like right now? I don't think it's pretty good. How vulnerable? Yeah.
I mean, we hear the double-digit inflation. We hear the value of the ruble. We understand trade is next to zero. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think they are vulnerable. I think the sanctions hurt. I think we need to continue to use economic leverage against them to make sure that we can find an end to this war. And so that is a pressure point that's important, keeping them isolated economically, but talking with them to get to a point where we can actually come to an agreement. Um In the 2022 bombing of the Nordstrom 2 pipeline, I loved it personally.
I don't think we should have, Merkel should have ever cut the deal with the former chancellor of Germany, has friends with Vladimir Putin. They cut this deal, they bypass Ukraine and have natural gas flowing right to, it's like a crackpipe, right to Germany.
So the president said, get rid of Nordstrom 2. And they said, no. What about Nordstrom 1? No, we're leaving that.
Well, then it blew up.
So I think that worked to the West's advantage. But who are we finding out was behind that? Yeah, it I don't know the answer to that. I think all of your questions kind of go back to the point that, look, Russia is an authoritarian nation. They are the aggressor.
That's why we need to work with our allies, work with our partners to get to a deal to help Ukraine actually retain territorial integrity and to protect its people and its civilians. This war needs to end. Um true. And by the way, they just said a Ukrainian man has been arrested in Italy suspicion of doing that. I would give him a medal.
Personally, but that's me.
So, for you personally, you've been through a lot lately. You're at West Point, you're teaching a class, you got this key position, and because, in my view, I'm sure you're not going to confirm it, Laura Loomer, who's got weight, I don't know why she has any influence, decides that you're too much of a Joe Biden person to have this key position. What was the position, and how did you find out that you were no longer there? Yeah, so just first off, unfortunate. I think it was a hastily made decision based on inaccurate information.
You know, for me, it's not like how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up. You got to be resilient, and that's a message to the cadets. But this was the distinguished chair of the Department of Social Sciences at West Point. It was not a federal government position, it was an endowed fellowship to teach a national security seminar and to work with cadets. Look, you know, as background, I spent 25 years in uniform, retired lieutenant colonel.
I went to West Point for four years, two and a half years. I taught economics there. Look, West Point's a special place. You wrote about this with the Culper Spy Ring, right? West Point, strategically critical for its geography, but strategically critical for training and inspiring and educating the next generation of warfighters to include cyber warriors, to be leaders of character focused on duty.
We honor and country. And that's what I spent my entire career doing in a nonpartisan, non-political way, combat tours, battalion commander. And to be clear, I have never criticized the president or any commander-in-chief, right? The president, as an American, we want the president to be successful. His success is America's success.
And all I've ever wanted to do is be a patriot, not a partisan.
So at the end of the day, I think this was an unfortunate decision that was made based on inaccurate information, but I will find other ways to lead and mentor. The private contracts that you can make with your unique expertise in an area in which we can't get enough expertise in, that's cybersecurity, is going to be great for you personally in your career, but it's probably bad for the country that you're not in this spot. And especially when you didn't have a chance to plead your case, how did you find out you were no longer there? Yeah, I was called by the superintendent who was directed, I believe, by the Secretary of the Army, and it was a legal order, obviously.
So, you know, and I don't know Secretary Driscoll. I've actually heard very positive things about him, but I don't know him. But your point is a really good one because we're in such a unique moment in history. When I was a cadet, I saw the fall of the Berlin Wall. When I was an instructor there, it was the fall of the Twin Towers.
Now we're at this incredible moment in history, right? And the class that I was going to teach was called Warrior X. It was all about how young leaders deal with this era of technological innovation and disruption, right? Autonomy, cyber, drones, power. Powerful AI.
And if you saw the AI action plan that the White House released, which I thought was really good, it talks specifically about defense leaders being able to leverage AI to fight and win the nation's wars. And the great irony is, I was going to ask Secretary Driscoll and other leaders of the current administration to come in as guest lecturers because the cadets need to understand how our political leaders, how our policy leaders are grappling with these issues.
So, look, at the end of the day, unfortunate, didn't get to plead the case. I understand that these decisions get made, but I'll figure out a way to move forward. Just correct the record, Laura Loomer, who I've never met, but I find it really disconcerting that she has any influence with the President. She's just a lightly regarded pundit. She says that you were part of the disinformation committee that never got off the ground with Nina Jankowicz, who famously sang that song.
Were you part of that under Joe Biden? I had nothing to do with Nina Jankowicz. I've never met Nina Jankowitz. I've never worked with Nina Jankowicz. I had nothing to do with the Disinformation Governance Board.
Look, this comes from, I was the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, right? This was the agency that in 2020 declared the... contentious presidential election that it was a secure election. I didn't join CISA until 2021. Our job was to work with secretaries of state all across the country.
In fact, I had fantastic relationships with Republican secretaries of state to make sure they had what they needed to defend their election infrastructure. And Brian, I was very proud to be the person that certified the 2024 presidential election as safe and secure and free and fair.
So at the end of the day, there was no, the accusations are around censorship. CISA never censored. anything at any time. And to be honest, if somebody wore the uniform and fought in combat, as did Secretary Hexeth, as did Secretary Driscoll, as did the Vice President, I've always said, I may disagree with what you're saying, but I will fight for your right to say it. Yeah.
So I just think you got a raw deal. A country would have been better off if you were there. And especially when you find out that somebody doesn't know you and you didn't have a chance to plead your case and explain your background. A lot of times the president goes back and corrects things. Hopefully, Colonel, he'll correct this.
Can I tap into your expertise for a second? Matt, please. On AI. Yeah.
We had, I was seeing this story last week that a group of American engineers went over to China and they were blown away. And they said we might have lost. This AI race already on energy. They have built up their energy to provide for AI, the AI energy that's necessary, and we're in the process of doing that. How real is the threat of not having the energy to push AI forward at the pace necessary?
Yeah, so the energy piece of this is incredibly important. But if I can just step back on the China piece first, because I think it's important to see the big picture, because China, from a threat perspective, in particular right now, what they're doing is something the American people have to be aware of. We have seen China going after our telecommunication systems to spy and to steal our data. But the most serious threat that I've seen in my time as a cyber and intelligence person is China attempting actually hackers from the People's Liberation Army hacking into our most sensitive critical infrastructure. I'm talking water, power, transportation, communication, and not to spy, not to steal our data, but to be able to launch disruptive attacks in the event of a crisis in the Taiwan Strait.
So we're talking mass disruption, everything. Absolutely. We found them. We eradicated them. But we thought what we found was the tip of the iceberg.
And so China is actively holding our critical infrastructure at risk so that they can incite societal panic and deter our ability to marshal military might and citizen will.
So we need that is a right now problem. And frankly, it's why I welcome the fact that the administration has talked about being more aggressive in offensive cyber capabilities. I stood up the Army's first cyber battalion. I helped stand up U.S. Cyber Command.
We have vast offensive cyber capabilities, and we do need to use them more effectively to be able to hold our adversaries at risk and to be able to impose costs.
So I think it's just important to set the scene in terms of China as a cyberpower. Why was Michael Waltz using the Signal app? Because our communication's been compromised, correct? Yeah, look, we actually, when I was the director of CISA, because of the major compromise against our telecom. Communications, we gave recommendations to use signal.
Now, obviously, you know, to be judicious about what information went on there, but that was part of our guidance, right? Because you had to be concerned about this, these intrusions into our telecommunications.
So that is a very serious issue.
Now, on the AI side, you know, I do worry a lot about threats. Every bit of new technology, it's like the old saying goes, you invent the plane, you invent the plane crash, you invent the ship, you invent the shipwreck. But that's why American leadership is so important. And this goes back to the AI action plan, right? Pro-innovation, pro-competitive globally with our adversaries like China, but also it talked about cybersecurity, critical infrastructure security, secure by design systems, dealing with the Cambio threat.
So I think if we actually implement that plan, we can stay ahead of our adversaries. We can tap into this power. We can make use of the energy so that we can stay ahead of China, but also we can mitigate the. Those risks. Wow.
Lieutenant Colonel Easterly, hopefully, this is just one of many appearances, especially on the network. Thanks for everything you've done. And hopefully, the administration will be smart enough to bring you back, if you're willing. Lieutenant General, Lieutenant Colonel Jen Easterly, thank you very much. Thanks so much, Brian.
Great to be with you. Back in a moment. You know, it's just crazy. The amount of news that's worthy to study, to go over, to analyze, and approach, and speak about, and get your calls on and input on is just dizzying in the Trump year. And seven months in, he's handling so many different issues at one time.
Whether it's the Smithsonian, our museums, and the wokeness that's hurting the celebration of 250, or whether it's the tariffs, or whether it's jobs, the economy, the trade deals, bombing Iran, trying to bring peace to Ukraine, or maybe the Korean Peninsula, setting up a summit in China. Just when you turn around, there's something else going on. And now we're debating again the burning of the American flag. where the president says, I can figure it out. Yeah, executive order.
You're going to go to jail if you do it.
So even though Justice Galia. Thought sadly, as much as he hates it, it's part of free speech. But always something churning going on. And of course, reaffirming the border, trying to stop drugs, destroyers off the coast of Venezuela, Coast Guard working the border, making sure fentanyl is not coming in, tariffing China, make sure it's not being the precursors and not sailing over to Mexico. There is just so much going on.
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