Death toll continues to climb after catastrophic flooding in Texas

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And it is the unimaginable, unthinkable. I was thinking long and hard about: you know, what could you say? Parents, of course, grandparents, family members, siblings, uncles, aunts, grandparents, I mean, you name it, inconsolable. because this is unnatural. that you would send your child to camp.

and that your child would die at camp. Unimaginable, impossible to process, that the banks of the Guadalupe River would rise more than twenty-six feet in less than one hour, probably less than forty-five minutes. One thing I will say right up front Now's a really good time. to not say the wrong things. If you're an elected official, Keep your powder dry.

I understand that we're living in an age where no crisis goes by without exploiting it. But this is not the time. This is not the place. There is a time and a place.

So, this is not delay. This is not obfuscation. This is just be quiet for now. because some have not been able to control themselves. And it's the exact wrong thing to be doing when at least eighty two are dead and dozens are missing.

And still, according to Camp Mystic, ten of the children. are still missing.

So let's take this opportunity just to share with you What Camp Mystic has had to say, and I quote them. Camp Mystic is grieving the loss. Of twenty-seven campers and counselors following the catastrophic flooding on the Guadalupe River. Our hearts are broken alongside our families that are enduring this unimaginable tragedy. We are praying for them constantly.

We have been in communication with local and state authorities who are tirelessly deploying extensive resources to search for our missing girls. We are deeply grateful for the outpouring of support from community, first responders, and officials at every level. We ask for your continued prayers, respect, and privacy for each of our families affected. May the Lord continue to wrap his presence around all of us, quote end quote, Camp Mystic grieving the loss of 27 campers and counselors. President Trump Did what you should do as the President of the United States.

Yesterday, he signed a major disaster declaration for Kerr County, Texas. The declaration quote is to ensure that our brave first responders immediately have the resources they need. These families are enduring an unimaginable tragedy with many lives lost and many still missing. President Trump posted that on his social media. And he immediately dispatched Christy Noam, our Secretary of Homeland Security, saying that the Trump administration is working with state and local officials on the ground in Texas to in response to the tragic flooding that took place.

And again, Christy Noam is there. And President Trump continued, Melania and I are praying for all of the families impacted by this horrible tragedy. Our brave first responders are on site doing what they do best. God bless the families, all caps. God bless Texas, all caps, President Trump wrote.

on his uh true social social media page. A lot of people As you can imagine, have stepped up quickly. I know that Chip Roy has been a frequent guest. On the Brian Kilmey Show, and this is Chip Roy's district. This is the hill country in the heart of Texas.

And Governor Greg Abbott. said the following Uh Eric, let's start with cut two. I had the opportunity yesterday to visit chat mystic and get to see firsthand what happened there as well as all the way downstream after that. And it was nothing short of horrific to see what those young children went through. And we will remain 100% dedicated, searching for every single one of the children who were at Camp Mystic, as well as anybody else in the entire riverbed, to make sure that they're going to be recovered.

That's Texas Governor Greg Abbott from Austin, Texas. Yesterday, he continued. Erica won. There are dangers over the next twenty-four to forty-eight hours. that could pose public safety threats to people in these regions.

There is heavy rainfall that's already occurred. And there's more heavy rainfall that's expected that will lead to potential flash flooding. broadly in these regions. The point is this, if you're in any of those regions, You need to realize for one You're in an area with land that's already saturated saturated with water. But for another, when more water comes down, it could lead to rapid flash flooding events.

It's Governor Abbott. It's the Brian Kilmead Show. President Trump, I shared some of the initial comments in his function as the Chief Executive Officer of the United States of America. Here's directly. From President Trump yesterday in New Jersey, President Donald Trump on what's happening right now in Texas.

Eric, cut three. We've been in touch with. Governor Abbott. And very close to Governor Abbott. And uh Everybody in Texas.

Christine Gnome is As you know, been there. And it will continue to be there. And we're working very close with Representatives from Texas, and it's a horrible thing that took place. Absolutely horrible.

So we say God bless All of the people that have gone through so much, and God bless. God bless the state of Texas. It's an incredible place. And from Austin, Texas, yesterday, Chief Kidd made a very good point that if there's no cell phone coverage, then folks won't get alerts. Eric, cut four.

From a technical perspective, there are multiple warning systems that are out there. And all of us can choose to sign up for warning systems in certain areas, depending on the local government that we're in and the way that their system works. There's a lot of talk about a program called WIA, the Wireless Emergency Alert, and IPAWS, the integrated public alert and warning system, and how they work or sometimes don't work. And then you have areas where there is no cell phone coverage. And if there's no cell phone coverage, it doesn't matter how many alert systems you sign up for, you're not going to get that.

It's a very fair point. with our question and One of the most profound things that I have heard, could you imagine? And This this horrific incident that took lives, spared lives. I saw this morning a story that was just incredible. A woman that actually to give you an idea of the power Of water.

And you've seen in the course of your lifetime and throughout the history books how water actually carves rock. I mean, it's it's incredibly powerful. And when you have a surge, that is nearing thirty feet. In such a short period of time, you've no doubt on the Fox News channel. You've seen the coverage of the bridge that was underwater at one point.

And you can see the mangling of metal and destruction of wood and so on and so forth. And there was a woman that actually traveled traveling. 20 miles. twenty miles. and lived.

to tell her story. She was dodging refrigerators Cars, I mean, just I I called it earlier today. A godly magic carpet ride. Because twenty miles where anything could happen You could crash into anything, or anything could fall onto you. and a survivor.

So there will be s amazing stories. of survival and there will be tragic Tragic outcomes as well. But when you hear one of the camp mystic survivors. A young girl. Tell her story.

about why she put a name tag. on herself. When this all started to go down so quickly, Eric, Callie, McLary, cut six. I put on my name tag 'cause I didn't I was scared that if water was coming out of next to our other cabins, that our cabin might be next. And I just put it on just for safekeeping, saying if I in my head I was saying.

if if something does happen and I do get swept away. At least I'll have my name on my body. Does that not just give you like incredible chills that you can't even imagine, you can't even control? Callie, this young camp mystic survivor, continues. Eric Cut Five.

We went to bed um thinking it was just a norm a normal thunderstorm. Ne one minute you see lightning strike next to your cabin, the next you You hear waters coming up. And You have kids running just trying to get to other cabins. I'm trying to get to safety. And luckily my cabin was one of the few cabins that did not get water, but the cabins in front of us did get some water.

And I was thinking about when I made sort of a, it wasn't cryptic, but it was a brief comment a few minutes back about. what you shouldn't be saying right now. But since people have been saying things that I don't think they should be saying, to some extent we should respond. To what they're saying. Like, I don't think people should be coming out right now and having a climate change debate.

I don't think people should be coming out right now and blame. President Trump, blame cuts made by Doge, and things like that. In other words, don't be like Congressman Lloyd Doggett, don't be like Congressman Joaquin Castro. We'll start with Congressman Doggett. Look, I know.

This has to be looked at. We all know that. but there are still dozens of people unaccounted for. This is still, this is not just recovery, this is search. and recovery.

I believe they'll still I believe in prayer, and we should all be praying. I believe that there's an opportunity to still find people alive that have found miraculous ways. We know of people that have been up in trees, and I mentioned the 20-mile journey of a gentlelady.

So they're still. This is search and recovery. They want to find people alive.

So it's not time. to be talking It is time later. It's just not time right now. you would think common sense and couth And what you were taught by your mom and dad as a child, or your first-grade teacher. Would teach you all you need to know about what you should say and what you shouldn't say right now.

And you shouldn't say this. Cut eight. We have to look at the impact of the Doge Trump cuts on the National Weather Service. The San Angelo and the Austin San Antonio offices have about twice as many vacancies now as when Trump came into office.

Some of the most experienced people that are there for weather alerts, and clearly, there was not enough of an alert in Kerr County. We need to see, we need to investigate and determine whether these shortages at the National Weather Service, which some people are urging be privatized and changed tremendously, whether that happens. How could anybody even be thinking like that at this time? I find that disgusting. I really do.

Later on, definitely you want to investigate. Was there enough staffing? Has anything changed? Was anything known? You know the timeline.

You've seen it on the Fox News channel. You know there was a weather alert 12 hours out. You know how they went hour by hour. And you know what happened in less than one hour when the When the waters rose so incredibly fast and so incredibly high. Also, I mentioned Congressman Joaquin Castro.

Eric, let's get that in real quick before the break. Cut seven. I think climate change is obviously a part of it. These floods are happening more often in more parts of the country and really all over the world. And so we have to face that reality.

uh and be better prepared for it and combat it. And respectfully, Representatives Doggett and Castro need a life coach, and they need to learn what you don't say at a critical time such as this when people do not know where their loved ones are or whether their loved ones are coming back alive or not. We'll be right back. Do not go away. This is the Brian Killmead Show.

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It's Brian Killmead. Welcome back to the Brian Kilmead Show with Allison Pete and Eric. My name is Harry Hurley. Filling in today for the great Brian Kilmead, who will return later this week. On the Brian Kilmead Show Newsmaker Hotline is a former International Space Station commander.

And I want Commander Hatfield to know. I was nerding out, geeking out with Eric and Pete and Allison before the show because I absolutely, as a child, fell in love with our space program. Commander Hatfield, welcome to the Brian Kilmead Show. Welcome back. Terry, it's To be talking with you.

Good to be with you, Commander. And perfect, I think, opening starting point here because people see now it's not just NASA when we were children, NASA, and it was everything.

Now we have. Other companies that are able to do these things and work in collaboration in coordination with NASA. Commander Hadfield, Commander Chris Hadfield, what is the current state of the aerospace industry in America?

Well, you know, what's really changed, Harry, is the cost of launch has radically decreased. And that has opened it up to businesses like never before, where it used you used to have to be a trillionaire to fly in space. It had to be the United States or the Soviet Union. But as the cost of launch has dropped, as the vehicles have gotten safer as the technology has gotten better.

Now private companies can launch into space, even private citizens can launch into space. And it needs to be regulated. It needs to be organized just like all new technologies. But it's a whole new world. And the type of businesses that I'm working with now are really being able to take advantage of that.

And we're going to get to Aerospace Startup Atomic Six in just a moment, but I want to put just a sort of sidebar question out there for you, Commander, and it is this. I know myself as a citizen I couldn't stand it when we had to hitchhike with the Soviet Union. with Russia in order to be able to go up to the space station or to get our folks back from the station space station. How great is it now that that's no longer the case? And in a short order, it will no longer be the case?

Well, hitchhike's the wrong word. You know, I served as an astronaut for 21 years. And um In order to be qualified to fly multiple spaceships, and I was the pilot of spaceships.

So hitchmaking strikes me a little bit wrong way. I take it back, and thank you. I appreciate you correcting me on that. I take it back, but we were contracting with Russia, and we were paying Russia to fly our astronauts, correct? It wasn't like it was some collegial total thing where sometimes, hey, we'll take you and then you'll bring us back and we'll bring you.

And like if it was like that, I wouldn't even have the feelings that I had as it was going on. But I will say, I'm a persuadable person, and I won't use that phrase again after using it here. I will tell you that.

So take it back with that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I was a combat fighter pilot during the Cold War, intercepting Soviet bombers in North American airspace. And yet, later we found ways to cooperate. Where I helped build the Russian space station Mir and was the pilot of a Russian Soyuz and had.

I was NASA's director of operations in Russia. And I had Russian crewmates. But the only way that's really going to work is if it's back and forth and if different nations have their own national capabilities. And the United States needs the capability of launching their own satellites and their own people into space. And it's great that when we retired the shuttle, we didn't have it.

But now with SpaceX and hopefully eventually Boeing will get their vehicle working properly, and we'll have more than one way to get astronauts into space. Nationally as well as internationally. Former International Space Station Commander Chris Hadfield on the Brian Kilmead Show. I'll torture this point one last quick second to say: I just watched about two nights ago The Martian, which is a movie I love with Matt Damon. I don't know how much of it is realistic, you know, growing the potatoes with Martian soil and all this stuff.

But what I did love was, and I think it speaks to what you just said a moment ago: the collegiality when fictional astronaut Mark Watney, a botanist, by the way, Commander, was stuck on Mars and we didn't have another ship that would be able to get him, but the Chinese did. We didn't know it, but they told us we can get him. I love that level of collegiality. That's great. Seems to me the scientists and the people doing the job are terrific in terms of collaboration and collegiality.

It's the politics that can mess things up, isn't it?

Well, to try and treat one nation as a single entity is always an oversimplification. And there's all different Agendas within any different country. Of course, there's scientific and there's exploration and there's military and there's security and there's politics. And that's true everywhere. I think.

We need, especially in as hazardous and as complex and environment as space. We need as many chances to cooperate as we can get. As we're into this phase now of starting to settle the moon, not just visit there to prove that we can, but to actually start building places where people can stay for extended periods. Uh It's going to be crazy if we don't find ways To cooperate with each other, help each other out when we're in trouble. And I love the movie The Martian.

Me too. I know Andy Weir, who wrote it, and And he captured the essence Of being an astronaut. Look, the type of person that Matt Damon portrayed, Mark Watney on the surface, that's just like anybody in the astronaut office, you know, just that sense of confidence. competence reserve Scrappiness to solve problems and mental toughness. And so I was really happy to see how well that was portrayed.

And Andy Weir does a great job of that. It is terrific. Right down to Mark Watney, self-proclaimed space pirate. But I digress. We are visiting with former International Space Station Commander Chris Hadfield.

Tell us about the aerospace startup Atomic 6. Yeah, well there's lots of great new technologies that we need in space flight. We need to be able to protect ourselves from orbital debris. There's about 1.2 million bits of debris orbiting the world, the size of the tip of your thumb or bigger. And we need to be able to detect them, clean them up.

But in the meanwhile, we need armor and protection. Atomic Six builds world-class space armor, light, tough. It's also like radio waves can transmit through it.

So they've got some good early developmental contracts with the Space Force in developing the space armor. But what Atomic Six is really doing that's cool right now is using their composites, their carbon fiber composites, to make solar arrays that are dead simple to deploy and retract. I've worked with a lot of space companies, and a lot of them fail on their first tries because the solar arrays, it's a really complicated mechanism and they don't extend properly. And then you can never retract them. And what Atomic Six says is using composites in a really clever, simple way makes it lighter and really tough and reliable.

And so they've got not just developmental contracts with the Space Force, but they've got commercial contracts with companies like CITES to start providing kind of a new generation of solar arrays. To space vehicles. And I really think we need as much. Developmental successful space business. To be startups all around the world, all across the country, as we can.

And so, Atomic Six there in Atlanta, they're a really good example of that.

So exciting. We are visiting with former International Space Station Commander Chris Hadfield on the Brian Kilmeat show. You mentioned the space, I think you may have called it debris. I don't know exactly what you called it. But when we look at those photographs, Commander, and it looks like it's all over the place.

What should we make of that? Like, is one day, I guess, some of it maybe ultimately goes out of orbit and burns up or whatever, or pieces of it come down. But are we going to ever have to do like a spring cleanup? And is you know what I'm saying? Those photographs that we view show an amount of debris that looks disturbing.

Yes, as you mentioned, I commanded the International Space Station, and the outside of it is peppered with little like buckshot holes. of little bits of things.

Some of them are just rock from the universe because the Earth gets hit by about 40 tons a day of meteorites, just little ones. And they hit the space station. And it's got armor on it. But it also gets hit by human made debris. And if we see a big piece coming, we'll fire the engines on the space station to get out of the way.

It's not as bad a problem as sometimes it gets reported. Space is bigger than you think and it's three dimensional. But at the same time, like any pollution we've created, we got to stop making it worse. We have to not allow us to harm us not allow it to harm us right now. We've got to have a plan to clean it up.

We're working on all three of those things. But we've got like 40,000 tracked objects orbiting the world right now. 11,000 of them are active satellites. And we're slowly catching up with our own technology for regulation. And as a commander of a spaceship, It was one of my worries.

It wasn't the biggest. But if you sit quiet on the spaceship and wait, you can hear the ricochet noise of bits of orbital debris bouncing off the armor.

So it's a real problem, and just one more thing that astronauts and spaceship designers need to worry about. Ricochet and no problem to to you know, that it didn't come through or anything. Could could it ever be going at a velocity and could it be enough where it could pierce the space station? Yeah, everything up there is going at least five miles a second to stay in orbit. And if it's going in a different direction than you, then five miles a second, it could become a crossways or even head-on.

And so it's one of the three big emergencies we practice for, Harry. You could have a contaminated atmosphere, you could have Yeah. But the third is you could have a hole punched to the wall and it would be pressurization. Fortunately, the space station is big enough. That's a little hole, it could, it'll take a while for the air to leak out, so you can respond as a crew, put on mask, evacuate to the ship that brought you up, and maybe hopefully slam hatches shut and isolate the part of the ship that has the hole.

So, we practice for that regularly. And eventually, something like that's going to happen. But, but it, you know, it space is big. Pieces of debris are small, and we just need to get our arms around not making the problem worse. Firing anti-satellite weapons that turn one bit of debris into thousands of bits of debris.

We just need to have a responsible attitude towards it. Former International Space Station Commander. Chris Hatfield on the Brian Kilmeat show, you talked about the moon. And I know there are people who say, oh my gosh, why did we even go to the moon in the first place? Why would we talk about going to the moon again?

I'm not one of them, obviously. I see the big picture. Maybe we didn't even know in the 1960s that this could be a launch pad to Mars. Or maybe we did. I don't know.

You would know one way or the other. But you talked about the moon. We can colonize the moon, and this moon can be a launching pad to missions to Mars and elsewhere. Do you see is that realistically where we're going? Yeah, it's, you know, we've been living on the International Space Station, which is like our first.

Permanent step away from the world for 20 almost 25 years now. The next like lily pad in the pond, only three days away is the moon. Mars is like six months away, and we need a place. to test everything and to make sure that we've got our operations right and to build all the infrastructure and to but also the moon has about a one hundred billion gallons of water frozen into its craters. And so the moon is an interesting resource of its own.

It has no life.

So there's no biosphere, there's nothing to disrupt there. And it has minerals that have value on Earth, rare earth elements, helium-3, other minerals. We've barely literally just scratched the surface. to even know the mineral wealth of the moon. And with the decreased cost of launch, the moon becomes much more viable now.

And so I think, Harry, what we're going to see is space station for another, I don't know, five or ten years, then commercial space stations. The moon as our next Settlement and development and test bed and and sort of stepping stone to eventually Mars, which is a much more desirable place to be. It's a lot bigger, more gravity. It has a lot of water. It's by no means The Eden that Earth is.

But as we start to explore, like we've been doing for hundreds of thousands of years, that's going to be the pattern. And the moon is a really necessary step along the way. And we got people going there next February, which is pretty exciting. Not just unmanned vehicles, but there's a NASA. SpaceX rocket co.

This one's called Artemis, and we're working with SpaceX for future landers. But the next one's going, Artemis is already in Florida, and the crew's been training for a while. International crew. I'm Canadian, it's a mixture of Americans and Canadians. And they'll be going to the moon next February.

So we're at that stage in history. Transitioning exploration. Settlement, just like we have all over the surface of the world. Is it surprising that we have not been back in fifty-five years or whatever it's been to the moon? Or is it was just we did it, we did that, and there was just no budget or no appetite to go back anytime soon?

Is it surprising that it's been this long? No. Well yeah, I it's pretty normal human behavior. When England sent their first probe to to across the ocean to the Americas, right after Columbus in 1497, they found w what eventually became Newfoundland in Canada. In fact, they called it Newfound Land.

And they claimed it in the name of the king at the time, and they knew it was there, this enormous resource. But they had political problems at home and strife and domestic troubles. And they're like, yeah, we'll get to it eventually. It took a hundred years before the British actually started In any sort of earnest, taking advantage of what they already discovered. And so that's a normal enough pattern.

You've always got problems at home and you have to fit it in. And there's a reason to go back now, too. Commander, we have to go. I don't want to go, but best wishes. I know that you are working with this Atomic 6 and advising.

Wish you well, Commander, and really great to talk to you. Loved your content. Talk to you, Harry. And it'll be great to see Atomic Six's new light wing solar arrays deployed here in space next year. Sir, yes, sir.

Thank you, Commander. Be well. We'll be right back. Do not go away. This is the Brian Kilmead Show.

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Michael is also a charter inductee of the Hofster University Radio Hall of Fame. And because of the different conferences that Michael and his team have put on at Hofster University, I've had the opportunity to see their whole broadcast school. Michael is a inaugural member of the university's Lawrence Herbert School of Communication, Dean's Advisory Board. It is my pleasure to welcome Michael Harrison to the Brian Kilmeat Show. Good morning, Michael.

How are you? I'm great, Harry. Thank you so much for such a lovely introduction. And it's wonderful to be on the air with you again and celebrate talk radio, celebrate Brian Kilmead, and certainly your amazing career as well. Thank you so much for that, Michael.

And this is the Brian Kilmead Show, as you know, and Brian Kilmead has been on what I call the Mount Rushmore of Talkers Magazine, Top 100 Most Important Talk Radio Hosts in America. I know that tomorrow, because you've publicized at Talkers Magazine, is the reveal date. I'm not asking anything off-putting. You wouldn't talk about it. If I tried to probe, I would never do that.

But I do want to mention that it's pretty rarefied. Michael is on what I call, at least for the current year, as the Mount Rushmore. Only room for four, if you know what I'm saying.

Well, we have we have one hundred. But if I were to reveal anything, they would throw me out of talkers. It's funny how certain rules and principles Of publishing and journalism have taken place at Talkers Now. This week marks the 35th anniversary of Talkers Magazine. And I'm very proud to say that we have upheld some of our most long-standing principles, and one of them is to keep the order and the people on the list.

Secret until the moment they're posted outside of our staff. And our staff goes through stringent. Stringent rules and regulations to keep them from spilling the beans. And as you know, I respect that, and I merely float that Brian is on the current Mount Rushmore at number three.

Now, Michael, you have been a mentor to Rush Limbaugh, the Maha Rushi himself, Sean Hannity, Brian Killmead. There's three of the greats of the whole history. Of our medium, of talk radio. And I'm very proud to say that you are. My mentor.

I've learned so much from you, Michael. What's it like? I'm taking me out. It's Brian's show. What is it like to mentor some of these giants?

Well, they're giants whether I mentor them or not. I am basically mentoring people like Rush Lumbaugh, Sean Hannity, Brian Kilmead, Harry Hurley, and so many thousands over 35 years. And then I was doing this before that in other forms of radio.

So this is not that I have 35 years' experience. I started almost 60 years ago. Gosh, I could have been an intern with Marconi and Tesla. I go back more than half of the history. He liked you to call Nick.

Not even Nikolai, he's a regular guy. But the fact of the matter is that when you're dealing with somebody who has the innate talent, the raw talent, to actually be a successful radio talk show host and now talk media, which is beyond radio talk show host. Uh this this comes You know, as Rush used to say, with talent unloaned from God. This comes from somewhere else. Mentoring is just simply a process of encouraging and keeping people from shooting themselves in the foot, which is very easy to do in such a spontaneous medium.

But these people already already had it. I mean, I could imagine you as a ten year old were probably gabbing and yakking and spreading information. We were on walkie-talkies, Michael. Yeah, love that listening to E.G. Marshall, Mystery Theater on Sunday nights before school, being told.

One of the things that we judge. One of the things that, and actually more than one, we look at courage. We look at effort. We look at impact. Longevity.

Potential Ratings. recognition, revenue, Service. Talent. and uniqueness. And we acknowledge that putting this list together is as much a science.

as it is an art. It's both art and science.

So I've been very lucky to know some really interesting people in my career. My goodness gracious. Because you've got to be interesting to make it as a talk show host. Let me ask you this follow-up because it would be a general statement to say that the bigger they are, the better they are. But I.

I don't know if you're going to agree with this, but my opinion, the greats, and there's exceptions, but I'm just saying if I said this as a general statement, and I am, and it's Michael Harrison on the Brian Kilmeat Show. Michael is the founder and the publisher of Talkers Magazine. The big ones like a Russ limbal. A Sean Hannity, a Brian Kilmead, the three of the Titans, three of the greats, three of the goats of all time. They're very coachable and receptive.

As a mentee, aren't they?

Well, they know that they're smart enough to know that they have limitations and that part of being a great talk show host is being a great listener and being sensitive to what's going on in the zeitgeist around you. Keep in mind, for those that are not familiar with talkers, we are not partisan. Even though the three out of the top four of last year's survey are conservatives, they're also progressives. African American community representatives. Hispanic culture, women.

Uh newcomers People on big stations, people on small stations. Um we do not Specify what your ideology has to be or what your personal identity is. We come from all over the spectrum because we are broadcasters first. We are not a political party. We have no political agenda other than ardent support of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

Michael Harrison on the Brian Kilmeat Show. This is an event, at least from a 2025 conference standpoint, that I could speak to, but I. I want to have you speak to it. I was there. I got to take it in.

I enjoyed my time there. And you are again partnering. Talkers is teaming up. With the Intercollegiate Broadcasting System for a 2026 conference. Michael, tell us about where you came up with this initial idea.

And I was very happy to see your announcement on the day before our Independence Day that you're going to do it again. Tell your listeners on Brian Show about it.

Well, one of the things that's facing radio in general, not just talk radio, is that they say the audience is getting older because young people don't listen to the radio the way the generation of many of the people listening to this broadcast, certainly your generation and mine, the way we looked at the radio as the source of culture, the source of our whole scene. We learned from disc jockeys and talk show hosts. And the artists that made music and lyrics, and it was a very different thing.

So, quite obviously, for radio to continue into the future, it has to do something and reflect in some way the culture of young people today, particularly Generation Z. And what better way to do that than to go to where there already is a gigantic pocket of interest in radio, and that is on the campus radio scene. And when I say campus, I mean as young as high school, high school, college, and universities. These places All have where they have radio stations.

Some places have 20 students, some have 200 students, but it's become thousands across the country of broadcasters who are young and love radio and listeners who are listening to them on these campus stations. What a place to start, to develop a farm team and to keep radio alive going forward. Because young people will listen to radio. if in fact radio listens to them. And it's just common sense.

So that's why we began to do that. We are interested in what's going on in college radio as well as in professional radio so that radio has a chance. At existing on a meaningful level, going into the deeper into the digital era of the 21st century. That makes sense, doesn't it? It makes perfect sense.

We are visiting with Michael Harrison, the founder and the publisher of Talker's Magazine. You're celebrating an upcoming milestone, number of years that Talker's Magazine has been Year after year after year, doing what you do in the radio industry. And I was listening very intently to how you mentioned how the next generation and their listening habits and all of that. The radio show is the podcast. The podcast is the radio show.

The smartphone is the radio station, along with the AM and FM bands. It all is what it is, it's all interchangeable. Yes, it is. And that's a new way of thinking for those of us here in twenty twenty five, because for the last hundred and some odd years, As sociology as technology changed, so did sociology. Newspapers were a solo medium.

Motion pictures were a solo medium. You saw it on the screen in a theater, then maybe you'd see it later on television with a bunch of commercials. But everything was separated, and thus, There was a distinct culture surrounding each of those media and how they were consumed. Audio and video blend into each other, and you can go from having great radio to cheesy television by having a camera in the wrong part of the studio. I mean, it's it there's so much overlap between the influence of the platform on the programming and the culture that it generates.

that we have to have a different way of thinking, and we're learning that as we go forward. The other thing that those of us in the radio industry have got to get a grasp on is what does radio mean? What does radio mean in the 21st century? What are we talking about when we're talking about this thing called radio? Are we talking about the radio appliance?

Well, to a certain degree, maybe. Are we talking about an aesthetic that brings to mind radio programming, the popular culture of a station? What is a radio station? Or will we have the radio on a credenza or a bookcase as a relic to the past where, oh, remember when you did this? Let me give you the opportunity in the final minute and a half or so that we have, Michael.

And if you're just tuning in, it's the Brian Kilmead Show visiting with Talkers Magazine, founder and publisher, Michael Harrison. Tell the Brian Kilmead Show listeners what Brian Kilmead means to our industry. If I'm referring to a baseball player, Brian Kilmead, in my view, Michael, is the five-tool player. He is on five-tool. Fox News Channel.

He's on Fox Nation. He's doing the History, Liberties, and Last Tour on stage. He's an best-selling author. He does a three-hour a day, weekday, Monday through Friday, radio program. What does Brian Kilmead mean to our industry, Michael?

Well, you just pointed it out. He hits from all sides of the plate. He brings an abundance of talent. to the game. He brings a lot to the table.

And as a result, from a broadcasting standpoint, he's a role model. And but the thing that he brings that I know that many people do not know, although his listeners have a good insight into it, Brian Kilmeid, whether you agree with him or not, is a really Good guy. He is a very, very dependable and upstanding human being. And that is something that means an awful lot to those of us in the industry that depend on people like him to give the entire industry a good name, even though he is out there in the controversial wars and often gets takes it on the chin. He twice was our guest of honor and keynote speaker.

Once in an absolute weather emergency situation, somehow, through unbelievable divine intervention, got to our event. Of course, we'll never take a penny of remuneration. I mean, all the things you just said about Brian being a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a great guy.

He's a great talent. And yeah, he is all the things that you just said. Closing comment, 30 seconds, Michael. Where is our industry headed over the next however far you want to go? 30 seconds.

Our industry is headed as far and as productively as the people that own radio stations and have the power, the captains of industry, so to speak. It's in our hands. Where radio will go. Nothing is certain. Nothing is set.

These are uncertain times for sure on every level. Radio falls into that.

So my job now is to encourage the radio industry to hang in there and keep radio an important, iconic force in terms of human communications, particularly here in America. Michael, thank you so much for being a great mentor and such an important babe root of our industry. Michael, have a great day, my friend. Thank you, Harry. Be well.

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Welcome back to the Brian Kilmead Show with Allison, Pete, and Eric. My name is Harry Hurley, and honored to fill in today for the great Brian Kilmead, who returned later this week. Joining us on the Brian Kilmead Show Newsmaker Hotline is Griff Jenkins, my longtime He's too young for us to be friends for this many decades, but it's true. The Fox News correspondent, you can follow all things Griff at Griff2F's Griff Jenkins at Griff Jenkins. Griff, how are you, my friend?

I know you're working on something very serious, active shooter situation. Let's start right there, Griff. Welcome. Let's start there. Harry, it's always great to join you, my friend.

And we're only as old as we feel. That's right. We're young. Getting out there in age. Listen, you know, so let's just, for our great listeners out there, you know, this is.

Another chapter, another incident in what has become an absolutely unacceptable assault on law enforcement. We've heard so much about ICE, and there's another story over the weekend about agents being shot outside of an ICE facility. But right now, breaking at this very moment, we learned that around 6 a.m. this morning, outside of the Border Patrol facility in McCallan, Texas. If you've ever been there, it's right as you come out of the airport.

You see that Border Patrol facility right there. It houses much of their communications facilities, as well as our special operations guys for Border Patrol. This morning, around 5:36 a.m., I'm told from our law enforcement sources down there that an active shooter ambushed that facility and began to attack it. Fortunately, none of the Border Patrol agents were harmed, and they were able to kill the guy that attacked them. The law enforcement source I'm talking to this morning, Harry.

Harry tells me in an exchange of gunfire, one local McAllen police officer was shot in the leg, but is expected to recover. It's non-life-threatening. But it's just unbelievable that we're in this environment now where, for whatever reason, on a Monday morning after a holiday weekend, an individual felt compelled to assault with weapons before the sun was up, just the Border Patrol facility itself. It's exasperating. It's just very.

It's just very, very disturbing. I mean, you know, I know my phone began to blow up because I know these people. These people, Harry, are my friends. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it throughout America on the Fox News channel, on the Brian Kilmead show.

Griff Jenkins, the lift that you did when almost no one was covering the. Other members of the media that purposely did not cover it for all those years. I mean, you were there. You were there speaking to folks that were coming into the country illegally. You did amazing work.

And you know this: when something like this happens, the Border Patrol has to respond. I'm not asking for tactical or anything you wouldn't want to say, but generally speaking, they have to increase, you know, everything, heighten awareness, everything, don't they, when this happens? They sure do, you bet. And I'm told from Border Patrol sources, at least in the Rio Grande Valley sector, they have heightened security and tightened security around facilities there because they don't fully know the whole picture. Hopefully, we'll have a statement we can get from them at some point here this morning to learn a little bit more about it.

But at the end of the day, you know, when I first started, and my colleague Bill Maluzian as well, started covering this border crisis, it was just. Mm-hmm. Unthinkable that you would have thousands coming across. And when we were in Eagle Pass, I've talked to you from Eagle Pass, where we would have three, four, five, six thousand in that one area a day. And now, you know, to have gotten the border down to literally 137 on June 28th.

They're the only 137 that tried to cross the border across a 2,000-mile-long border from California to Texas. It's just remarkable what President Trump and this administration has done to get this down and secure, particularly when, you know, we were told for so many years, even right from President Biden's mouth, there's nothing more I can do. We've got to get this legislation. Turns out that wasn't true. We didn't need legislation.

We needed a president with the will and determination to try and secure our border. And now you've got guys like Tom Homan and acting ice director Todd Lyons working 24 hours a day. Day, you know, around the clock trying to get those 500,000, 600,000 criminal illegal aliens that came across many of them during the past four years of the Biden administration, get them out of the country before they harm and put our communities in more danger. It's Griff Jenkins on the Brian Kilmead Show, and I'm going to double down on a comment you made just a moment ago because I was going there if you hadn't said it, because it needs to be said, I believe, on the Brian Kilmead Show and elsewhere. The previous administration, whether it was Karine Jean-Pierre on a daily basis with the biggest binder in world history, saying that it's the safest border, the most secure border of all time, and we need, you know, Republicans, and I know you're not a partisan, you're a newsman, but they said it every day.

Republicans are blocking needed legislation because they acted like they could not do their job without it. I always maintained, I know I heard you, I maintained it because I heard you and Bill say it on air, and even when we've had the opportunity to interview you both here. That was never a true. It was always a lie. There is no new law.

It's the authority that was always there. But if you put Border Patrol thirty miles away from the border, you're not going to have a very good effort there. They did things like that.

So they've been exposed as Completely dishonest the previous administration because, look, it is now close to zero. It's hard to get to zero, but they're close to it, Griff. Your thoughts?

Well, that's exactly right. And I appreciate the way you put that, Harry. As always, so eloquent, but you know, I am a newsman, and I don't do the opinion. But listen, as a reporter, I have a duty to report facts, and the facts and the data bear out that they lied. That is the appropriate way to convey to our viewers and listeners exactly what happened.

They lied. Corinne Jean-Pierre lied. President Biden lied. And Alejandro Mayorkas, DHS secretary, lied when they said that the border was secured. That was not the case.

And it's not an interpretation of whether they did or didn't. Feel that way. The numbers, the data. The beauty of data and numbers is that they're not political. They're just lie.

It's stubborn and persistent. Are you willing? I won't even say, are you willing? Is it reasonable for me to say? That It's one thing we are in agreement that the previous administration lied.

The border was not under control, it was completely out of control. It's my contention that that was their stated policy. They purposely left the border not secure because it was their desire to bring millions of people into this country who I believe they looked upon as future Democrat voters and that they were scheming for the permanent Democrat majority in our country. I will always believe that, Griff. Is that a reasonable belief?

It's a very reasonable belief, Harry, and let's just consider this one data point, and that is. We know that millions upon millions of Illegal crossing migrants were released into the country. That's the data that tells us that. And now, with two straight months back to back of this administration. And this administration not releasing a single, they've had zero releases into the country over the past two months, back to back.

It now tells us that the previous administration made an active decision to release them into our country and that they had an option to not do it as we're seeing the current administration doing now.

So, whether or not it was by design, whether or not it was intention or not, we can certainly draw the conclusion that they were motivated to make a choice. Because they had one. Right.

So either they did it on purpose or they were incompetent, and it's probably both. Griff Jenkins, Fox News correspondent on the Brian Kilmey Show, I could talk to you for the whole time that we have on Just the Border, but you seem to be the one that many times you're at tough scenes where there's been loss of life or the threat of loss of life or some kind of very, very serious undertaking. Obviously, what has taken place on the banks of the Guadalupe River, where in Texas the river rose more than 26 feet in less than an hour, taking at least 82 lives. Dozens are missing. Still, some of the camp girls are missing from the Girls Christian Camp Camp Mystic.

Your thoughts, Griff, about what's happening in Texas right now, in the hill country, in the heart of Texas? You know, my heart breaks for them. And if there's any silver lining here, it is when we were, I was watching my colleague Lawrence Jones doing a great job this morning talking about the response of Texans that so many people have turned out to try to help. But as a father of two daughters, it just leaves a hole in your stomach, a hole in your heart, knowing these young girls. And, you know, I've covered lots of hurricanes, and I was in western North Carolina a few months ago when they were, you know, just devastated with the flooding there.

And, you know, back during Hurricane Helene, even in Houston, Texas, I remember about a week after that, all of the sudden south of Houston and the Rio Bravos, Brazos River, just flooded an area there, and we were right back into search and rescue and loss of life. And, you know, Mother Nature is these. Strongest thing that exists, and certainly in Hill Country, which I've spent a lot of time there. This area where this happened is just for our listeners, if you're not familiar, is just a little bit northwest of San Antonio, Texas, and about two hours, say, north of the border, maybe a little more. But it's a part of Texas they call Flash Flood Alley because of its hills, which has a combination of steep terrain, narrow canyons, and what they call shallow soil, soft soil.

And when you have this flooding that had a 20 river rising 26 feet in 45 minutes, It just wipes everything out with really the force of, you know, we see tsunamis and we think about giant waves that are 100 feet tall and the damage it would do. That's essentially what you got here. There's a heavy current. There's a heavy current. And to think, and as a father of two daughters, to think of an eight, nine, ten-year-old stuck in a cabin, it just, it's the worst.

It's the worst. And I pray for all of those families. And I pray, too, that they might find maybe another survivor among the missing. Which is why we've been saying throughout, now's not the time, what some people are doing right now, talking about, you know, this was, you know, Doge, it's Trump. You know, just there's time and it needs to be investigated.

For example, do you think if storms like this are considered 50-year, 100-year sometimes type of events, do you change the whole game? For example, when the. When the National Weather Service puts out an alert 12 hours out front, do you immediately take the worst possible scenario and act accordingly? Or do you do what they did? Obviously, they never thought, Griff, it was going to raise 26 feet in 45 minutes, or no one would have let it come to that.

So that's the conversation that has to happen later. I think those that have been bringing it up now, it's too soon, Griff. Oh, you bet it's too soon. It's absolutely too soon. The dead are not buried.

The missing are not found. It's just not right to be doing that. But there will come a point where that conversation and that discussion has to happen. Absolutely. And, you know, the fact that this happened, if you know, you listen to these stories, this is 4 or 5 a.m.

in the morning, and this is a rural area.

So it's not like you're in the part of the day when everyone's awake or hasn't gone to bed yet in the evening, and in a city with like a more sophisticated sort of emergency alert system. You're talking about a rural area, and you're talking about the dead of night, essentially. Most people are asleep at 4 a.m., of course, unless you work in our business and you and I are already up. But I think the Monday morning quarterback is going to be not only reviewing the climate awareness and whether or not they did enough to predict just how severe the storm was going to be, but also just how do. You keep emergency alert systems and make them better in places like that when it hits in a time like the time it did.

There's much to dissect, but you're spot on. I 100% agree with you here. You're right on with the fact that it is way too early to try and do that while we are still doing search, rescue, and sadly recovery operations with more rain today expected to come. We are visiting, and we're closing out in about a minute here with Griff Jenkin, Fox News correspondent Griff Jenkins, regarding the Texas flood relief. Fox Corporation has made a donation to the Community Foundation of the Texas Hill Country's Kerr County Flood Relief Fund.

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Closing comment is: I think as hard as it is to watch this story and hear these stories, it is at least reassuring that these are people of faith. They love their neighbors, they love God, and they're coming together in a remarkable way. I just hope that we can all pray and give strength to these families and those that they're still searching for. Griff, you are absolutely one of my favorites in the history of this business for your integrity, for your hard work, for the tough lift that you do in so many of these important assignments that you travel towards. And I just appreciate you in friendship and as a colleague.

And, Griff, good to visit with you today. We'll talk soon. Harriet, it is always great to hear and talk with you, my friend. You're one of the best. Take care, my friend.

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So stage and book tour information, and as I mentioned, the history, liberties, and last tour, all the information at BrianKilmead.com. We're going to open this portion of the Brian Kilmead show on the big, beautiful bill because so many other things, and I always talk about the speed of Trump. It is remarkable. How fast. We pivot from one thing to another.

And of course, with what's happening in Texas, and we've been covering it all throughout today's program, and we'll mention it before the next break, what's happening. And there's a press conference that's going on that will keep you apprised of the latest as we receive it. But the big, beautiful bill, because The vote was on the day before our Independence Day. You roll right into the holiday. The president signed it in the early evening of Our nation's birthday.

July fourth, which was Exactly what he wanted to do. He got exactly what he wanted, exactly when he wanted to do it. And of course, no one, I should preface by saying. Meaning, he got exactly what he wanted, and that is the big, beautiful bill, or one big, beautiful bill. pass by both branches.

of the Congress Senate and House identical had to be. Because there was not going to be any easy reconciliation. Between the two.

So you got to give the House credit, and Speaker Mike Johnson credit he never seems to get. That when that came back with some changes. That was not easy. to get the votes that they got. For that.

And they have very little room to spare and just lost another member, so it's down even one more. This is getting downright scary. I mean, the job they've done keeping a bare majority together to pass very meaningful things like one big beautiful bill is not easy, not easy at all. Let me give you an idea, and then we're going to let you hear from some of the people like President Trump and others that have spoken out. Both for and against the Big Beautiful Bill.

When you hear Hakeem Jeffries, and that was a disgrace, that thing that he did the Magic Minute, that was just, I guess he wanted a record. He got it. He took Kevin McCarthy's belt, but it was bad. It was not good.

So he'll call it the big ugly bill. And I've been mentioning of late how Larry Summers. Former Clinton cabinet member and now university president, Harvard University. You might remember him in the in the movie um about Facebook actually. He, not literally, but he by character is in the movie.

When you hear these folks Coming out with this stuff, it's going to kill people like Hakeem Jeffries. That's just so over the top. This is what's inside the big, beautiful bill, or as President Trump likes to call it, one big, beautiful bill. Deductions for overtime pay. That's big.

Tip income No taxes. That's huge. There is a test, you know, 25, up to 25,000, but that's a lot. Child tax credit jumps to twenty two hundred dollars per child. Permanently expand standard deductions, which you know, a lot of this stuff.

This would have been the largest tax increase in American history. And I'll talk about that in just a moment. It raises the tax break for seniors. To $6,000. That's through the year 2028.

So that's one of those things that will sunset. And only the Democrats could let that happen. Don't let them. Elect the right people. Raises the U.S.

debt limit. This is true. I've seen anywhere from $3.3 to $5 trillion. This is true. It does.

SNAP benefits, able-bodied adults. Continue to work to age 64. I mean, Bill Clinton was in favor of something very similar to that, a work fare. And the soft deduction. Boost to $40,000 for couples making up to $500,000 per year.

So that includes a whole lot of people. That's what's in. The big beautiful bill.

Now let's hear some of the move makers and newsmakers rather and news shakers on exactly what this means to them. On one big beautiful bill, President Trump said the following Erica ten. In a few moments, we're going to make official the greatest victory yet. when I signed the one big, beautiful bill. John Thune and Mike Johnson right there, I see Mike, what a job they've done.

What a job they've done. But you know, it was supposed to be in three, four, five, six, or seven different bills. And I was in one of the fake news shows and I said, Let's do it in one beautiful, big, one beautiful, we want one big, beautiful bill.

So you hear a lot of people say big, beautiful bill, BBB, but President Trump loves saying one big, beautiful bill, and he continues, Eric Cut 11. We just have to Look forward, fellas, look forward and just say what it is, because it's the most popular bill ever signed in the history of our country, whether you're military or anybody else. This is the most single, most popular bill ever signed. And it includes the largest tax cut in American history, the largest spending cut, $1.7 trillion, and yet you won't even notice it, just wastes fraud and abuse. This one, I have to say, surprised me just a little bit.

Maybe he hasn't been invited to the beautiful parties anymore. I'm not going to read too much. I'm not going to offer conjecture. I don't know why. He said this.

I expect Hakeem Jeffries, Hakeem Jeffries, wants to be America's next Speaker of the House, so they will say these awful incendiary things like this is the big, beautiful bill, is the big, ugly bill, the big, beautiful bill is going to kill people. When they start saying that, I find that there's an expression crossing the Rubicon that crosses the Rubicon. Knock that off. You want to say you think it stinks, you think it does this, it does that, but this thing, you know, because even though they might not realize it, their political rhetoric And that's all it is to them. There are people that Want to believe, and in some cases, believe.

what people in certain positions say. A university president, for example, like a Larry Summers, a former Clinton Treasury Secretary, or Hakeem Jeffries from New York State, the minority leader of the the House of Representatives I am a bit surprised. And this is Media Credit ABC News. Larry Summers said the following, and honestly, with what he's been doing lately. being reasonable.

And not being crazy like this. This was a little bit of a shocker to me. Eric cut 12. Just to start with. What your people have been describing.

is the biggest cut in the American safety net in history. The Yale Budget Lab estimates that it will kill over 10 years 100,000 people. That is 2,000 days. of death like we've seen in Texas this weekend. In my 70 years, I've never been as embarrassed for my country on July 4th.

Can you believe the conflation? Into what happened in Texas this weekend, that he felt comfortable saying that. That just is. Awful. Indefensible.

And the Yale Budget Lab, yeah, that sounds like a real centrist, reasonable organization that we should believe that the one big, beautiful bill will kill over 10 years 100,000 people. And then to say that is 2,000 days of death like we've seen in Texas, that is shameful. That is shameful for anyone to say that, let alone somebody at his level. He's not done. Larry Summers, same interview.

Cut 13, Eric. These higher interest rates, these cutbacks in subsidies to electricity, these reductions in the availability of housing, the The fact that hospitals are going to have to take care of these people and pass on the costs to everybody else, and that's going to mean more inflation. More risk that the Fed has to raise interest rates and run the risk of recession. More stagflation. That's the risk facing every middle class family in our country because of this bill.

Wow. Just hard to believe. But a little bit of rational. Commentary, same network, ABC. Stephen Miran, cut 14, Eric.

You know, I think that there's been a lot of doom-mongering, a lot of scaremongering, and this isn't the first time, by the way. During the President's first term, lots of folks said that the President's historic tariffs on China during the first term were going to be terrible for the economy, and there was no lasting evidence of that whatsoever. There was no meaningful economic inflation, no meaningful economic slowdown. Everything was actually pretty okay in response to the tariffs last time. And thus far, again, this time we have a repeat of the same performance, whereby lots of folks predicted that it would end the world, there would be some sort of disastrous outcome.

And once again, tariff revenue is pouring in. There's no sign of any economically significant inflation whatsoever, and job creation remains healthy. Stephen Miran, representing the White House Council of Economic Advisers. And what's very important to note, and we're going to get into the CBO in just a second, and Stephen Mirin continues in just a moment, but let me just set the stage. The CBO, I've looked at a lot of the analysis that they do over the years.

They never seem to take into consideration that if you unleash The free markets, capitalism in America, and give opportunity for business to prosper and to grow. That wages go up, that growth goes up exponentially. This is not theory. This is from President Reagan to President Bush. Two to President Trump first term, to President Trump's second term.

If you allow the free markets to actually Cook. and and promote capitalism. We see growth well beyond 1%.

So remember, a lot of CBO estimates Count very anemic growth as though 3% and 4% and beyond is not possible anymore. They said that when President Obama was in office, that this was the new norm, 1%, new norm. You can't grow anymore. But then again, we grew 4% and beyond with President Trump in the first term. I believe we will again.

Stephen Mirren, White House Council of Economic Advisors, continues on this Larry Summers and the doommongering crew in the ABC interview. Eric cut 14. Why should we not believe the CBO when they say that something approaching a little more than 11 million people are going to lose their health care coverage because of the Medicaid cuts?

Well, because they've been wrong in the past. When Republicans repealed the individual mandate penalty during the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in the President's first term, CBO predicted that there was going to be about 5 million people losing their insurance by 2019. And you know what? The number was not very significantly changed at all. It was a tiny fraction of that.

And so they've been wrong in the past. And look, if we didn't pass the bill, 8 to 9 million people would have lost their insurance for sure as a result of the biggest tax act in history, creating a huge recession. The best way to make sure people are insured is to grow the economy. One final comment on this, and then we'll go to break. Congressman Jody Arrington, a voice of reason.

A member of the People's House from Texas said during an interview, I watched him actually on the replay, Sunday Night in America with Trey Gowdy. He said the following, Eric cut sixteen. We cut $1.5 trillion, which is twice the amount of reduction in spending in the history of the country. You couple that with growth. You couple that with the holding discretionary flat and rescission packages and some tariff revenue, regardless of your thoughts.

CBO says it will be over $2 trillion in revenue from tariffs. Altogether, you're going to see the debt to GDP come down and the restoration of our fiscal health. But it's not one reconciliation bill, and we're out. It's going to have to be a rinse and repeat for years to come. Thank you.

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I've maintained from the beginning this whole tariff thing, and President Trump loves it. And and I think even detractors are starting to admit that it's working. People thought, oh my gosh, the markets are going to be gone. Everybody's profits are gone. And look, we're at the highest ever.

And that is because. When the bond market went a little bit funny, President Trump immediately reacted to that. and it came roaring right back. The one thing I can tell you about President Trump is He loves. to preside over a healthy economy.

He's a businessman. And he loves making deals.

So this is Nirvana for him. C because it's the whole shebang wrapped up into one.

So get ready because, yeah, the warning letters are coming out that tariffs could be kicking in back at the April levels. Uh on August 1st. But President Trump doesn't want to disrupt Our great economy. He calls it the hottest economy in the world, and that all of his, um, Colleagues tell him the same thing. I'll tell you one area where we could get a big boost, and that is with a new Fed chair.

because the rest of the world they were lowering interest rates. And there's a reason President Trump calls Fed chair Jerome Powell too late, TOO, too late. Doesn't even say Jerome Powell anymore, just calls him too late. That'll be coming because Jerome Powell is out as Fed chair. No later than this upcoming May.

So get ready because I'm sure that the detractors will be all over it again. But these tariffs could become and they will become Very interesting over the next few weeks. We'll be right back. Heather Johnston joins us next on the Brian Kilmey Show. I'm Janice Deen.

Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at FoxnewsPodcast.com. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. Welcome back to the Brian Kilmead Show with Allison Pete and Eric Harry Hurley filling in today for Brian.

And a real timely appearance on the Brian Kilmead Show Newsmaker Hotline is Heather Johnston, the founder and the chief executive officer of U.S. Israel Education Association, an organization that is committed to educating and serving senior government leaders towards advancing a strong U.S.-Israel collaboration. And obviously, with President Trump back in office, that collaboration was improved just by January 20th and the calendar turning to that day of this year. Heather, welcome to Brian's program. Great to be with you.

Oh, good to be with you. Thank you. And this is so perfect that you're here because, as you know, the President is going to welcome the Prime Minister Netanyahu today to the White House. We can imagine what they're going to be talking about. President Trump would like to see a new ceasefire deal.

Of course, doesn't Israel deserve their hostages back? And all of this, a lot to unpack. Time is yours, Heather. Your thoughts?

Wow, well it is a big day indeed. And I think that in the culmination of this regional war where so many of the enemies to the United States and Israel have been defeated, like Hamas and Hezbollah, the Assad regime in Syria and even the Houthis. It is a new day. And so I think being able to work from those successes. This diplomatic effort today is really second to none.

So, I think that really what's going to be discussed primarily, just as you said, is that we need to figure out a way to end the war in Gaza. And I think that's really what is on the heart of both of these leaders, predominantly President Trump. And I think the issue is going to be just. How to, you know, as Prime Minister Netanyahu said right before he was leaving, you know, we're determined that Gaza will no longer constitute a threat to Israel. That's the bottom line.

He's been great. Yeah, he's been great.

Now, let me ask you, Heather, because I mean, you know, we keep our word. Israel keeps their word. We always do that. Israel, anytime they have bombed, they. Avoid hitting Civilians, they hit military targets and such.

And of course, the other side goes right at civilians, Hamas, and all, you know, Iran and all of their proxy.

So we always keep our word. Israel always keeps his word. But we're dealing with people who never, it's not like they sometimes, you know, won't keep their word. They never keep their word unless obviously there is something absolutely in it for them. And if they make an agreement that this many hostages on this day, so far, the few that they release here and there, I guess you could say they've kept their word at that time.

But these are very difficult people, Iran and Hamas, to do any business with because they're so untrustworthy. It is so true. And you know, you know, their art of war is Constant deception and lying. And that's just a big part of this whole dilemma. And it's one of the reasons where Israel just cannot afford to have a situation that encourages more kidnappings, murders, beheadings, rape, invasions across their borders.

So I think the objective today is eliminating Hamas's military and governing capabilities. We have set back Iran and these other proxies. We have to finish this. And I think Netanyahu is determined to make sure that Hamas is not going to be in power, and they're going to have to reach a deal under those terms and agree to it. You are absolutely right.

completely untrustworthy. No reason to negotiate too much. With a terrorist organization. That wishes your extinction. They want the extin death to America, death to Israel.

Oh, let's go to the negotiating table and let's see how we do. Wait a minute. Your goal is for us to not. Breathe. I mean, but we're supposed to trust you to do business.

Here's another thing I would think: if there was going to be a ceasefire deal that is proffered and brokered here. Exactly how many hostages are alive, exactly how many are dead. You know this, Heather. And those just joining us is Heather Johnston, founder and CEO of U.S. Israel Education Association on the Brian Killmeat Show.

You know this. I mean, people don't know. And and like the care that they have received has just been awful, hasn't it? Oh, it's just been it's been heinous. And it's really one of the most unimaginable things that we have watched this now for close to two years.

Hostages, the faces of hostages, the reminder to the wide world out there that this could happen to you, seriously, across the border of the United States. And you can see, Heather, they're malnourished if they're even still alive. And just I'm sure we've heard from ones that have been released, they've been abused, correct? Absolutely. And just, you know, not fed, not taken care of.

Many of them are wounded from gunshots that they received on the very first day of their captivity.

So some of them have lingering diseases. One has muscular dystrophy. They're just sitting in these tunnels. It's really remarkable that this many have survived. In the world we live in right now, counting the obvious, I guess, circumstances reflecting where we are right now, what do you feel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would like to achieve today with President Trump.

Well, I think moving to the larger and looming real issue and existential threat is Iran. And they need to close it. They need they won't be the Prime Minister wants to be able to ask Trump for a green light To take action against any Iranian activity related to the rebuilding of its nuclear program, which you're like, how in the world could that still be in motion? But it is, it really is. If there's any suspicious activity that they detect near the nuclear sites, which they're already detecting, by the way, and if there's evidence of uranium, Being removed from those areas by the Iranians, you know, they want permission.

To go back to with warplanes to deal with that. And I think that the Prime Minister has that chief on his mind, just the approval from the U.S. to be able to act against any of that suspicious activity and to really establish a mechanism to prevent Iran from reconstructing its nuclear program.

So well said, Heather. Yeah. Heather, go ahead, finish, please. No, I just think that they're going to he's going to ask for snapback sanctions today, a mechanism to impose on Iran because they're not willing to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency, and they've suspended cooperation.

So something has to cl something has to give on that, and that's going to be another ask. Heather Johnston on the Brian Kilmead show, let's see how you like this crackerjack analysis of mine. I think I'm right, but you you if I'm wrong, let's have a split decision and do it right. You may disagree, I don't think you will, but I don't I'll just say it. Every time there's a ceasefire, and they're short-lived, it seems, and the last one was in, I guess it was mid-March.

It always seems to me that Hamas wants a ceasefire because Israel is winning, and this allows Hamas to regroup, to reconstitute. You know, Israel has really laid a smackdown on them big time. And then the other thing I wanted to say in the same sentence, Heather, is that last deal was 1,500 Palestinian prisoners, and Israel gets 30 hostages and the bodies, I believe, of eight others.

So there's your deal: like 1,500 to 38.

So Israel is just always supposed to give everything, including the ceasefires. And I think I'm right on this point. Hamas, they're they're not Legitimate and decent and honest about a ceasefire, they use it to reconstitute, don't they? They do. And as you can see, that's what they did in a lot of these fires.

They took back over the Gaza Strep. They doubled down on the people. They stole the humanitarian aid. And they Haptured the opportunity in the withdrawal of Israeli troops. And, you know, Israel just can't afford that again.

That's not the direction we need to go. And if we really want to fully defeat the possibility of this ever happening again, there has to be a decisive end to Hamas. And quite frankly, I think the future is going to come real quickly once these decisions have been made, once they have reached that line of defeat. I think you're going to watch. a surge in the humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip.

You're going to watch safe zones being set up and education actually being introduced within a matter of months. And we're a part of that. Our organization is actually working with the White House And with the independent contractors that are going to come in on that education front. And that is to bring stability to the Gazan people as well as to de-radicalize the population. And it's to be done immediately.

That's to begin sooner rather than later. I think we're going to see things begin to change once we can get Hamas uh arrested. This one is, I guess, the quintessential question because. we see this time and time again, and then it ends, but then it starts up again.

So we're just this third quarter away from two full years of this particular installment of war. And then it's going to end at some point, but does it end with a result that can be lasting and meaningful? Or does it just end until the next time it begins?

Well, I think that's going to be determined as to whether Hamas is left in power or not. And I think Israel is determined that they will not be and that there will be another presence there and that you will allow the clan leaders, the Palestinian clan leaders, to take over their particular clans in different areas and be able to conduct and govern themselves. And so those are plans the UAE to be involved in that process. Again, the deradicalization of this culture is high on the minds already going into the future, the aid distribution, because what happens with the UN at the helm of part of this aid that's being distributed is they give it straight to Hamas. That's what's keeping Hamas in power.

So aid is going to be discussed today. That's going to be a big piece of the internal meetings and the importance of keeping the Gaza and Humanitarian Foundation that is being led by the United States and Israel inside the Gaza Strip as the primary source of aid.

So these are things that are going to be discussed. And I think that, yes, you're right. There has to be a decisive end to Hamas ruling the strip. Or we're just starting to... Yeah, just start again.

One day, just fill in the date. Oh, there's the date. We'll know it when we see it again. But I'm with you. I would love to see something that would bring finality.

We are visiting with Heather Johnson, founder and CEO of U.S. Israel Education Association, visiting on the Brian Killmeat Show. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the latest proposal stipulates a 60-day truce.

So it seems to me, once again, this is something that Hamas has 60 days to reconstitute. Israel would, of course, honor it unless they violate it. And Netanyahu has shown, you violate it, we will strike immediately. And they did. I think that's important.

Netanyahu demonstrates that level of strength. Would you, I hate to say hope because hope is not a strategy, but what would you hope for in a 60-day truce? What would you like to see?

Well, the sixty day truce is So difficult because it just stops the progress of going forward in that defeat of things.

So yes, the getting the hostages back is the primary thing. That is the singular reason for the ceasefire. And I think that is what the the Israelis are longing for is to get the hostage back. And so that's the primary hope in the midst of that. I don't think there's anything beyond that.

You want to be able to sustain the aid through this organization that is supported by the United States and Israel called the Gazan Humanitarian Foundation. They're doing an extraordinary job. And they are keeping the aid away from Hamas. That's hugely important because that removes a lot of power. Right now, the aid is the power tool in the hands of Hamas.

That has to be removed. Right now, half the aid is coming through the Gaza and Humanitarian Foundation, and the other half is coming through the UN, which has acted nefariously in giving aid to Hamas. That's the issue. And those are the hopes that aid will be put straight into the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation hands for the future and also during the sixty day ceasefire to get the hostages home. Less than a minute, but I want to get this in.

It's not a secret. I wouldn't even if I knew a secret, I wouldn't broach it. But this is widely reported: that Israel negotiators are traveling east to the Gulf Emirate of Qatar for indirect talks with Hamas. Is that promising that Netanyahu himself is with the President of the United States today in Washington? You have the delegation of negotiators that are traveling to Qatar.

Should we view this as a solid good sign that maybe something is going to happen here? Good?

Well, I keep thinking and hoping so, don't you? And yet at the same time, Hamas just two days ago completely wiped out the proposal.

So it's just hard to believe that we're going to have a turn of events suddenly with Hamas. I think that what's going to happen is the real discussion is going to be with President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu today and what they decide. And they may just have a loose way of putting the negotiation together where President Trump, he could just personally pledge to ensure success of the negotiations and a permanent end to the war. And that might be enough, just a personal pledge. I don't think you can go beyond that because I think Israel's going to prosecute this war to its end.

I think they're decided on that. Great to visit with you. Thank you for the content.

So important. Be well. You too. Yep. Thanks for the great job that you do.

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