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No Work, No Food - 8

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January 9, 2022 6:00 pm

No Work, No Food - 8

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January 9, 2022 6:00 pm

Pastor Greg Barkman continues his expositional series in 2 Thessalonians where the Apostle Paul deals with unruly church members.

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Discover that some Christians are rather simplistic notions about the state of Christianity and of churches in the first century thinking that they were nearly perfect if we could just get back to that era again. Somehow we could have the kind of Christianity that we would desire that would please the Lord, but that notion is like so many things and unrealistic idea. It is a projected image that does not stand up to a careful examination of God's word the first place. It defies truth about human nature and about salvation is taught to us of the word of God, namely, that Christians are always sinners saved by grace, dark continually infected by our Adamic fall until the time we get to heaven and salvation, though it makes great changes within us and continues to change us into the image of Christ does not complete that work until we are with the Lord. And so every church is a church of sending people.

Every Christian is less than the ideal image of the Lord Jesus Christ that we will be someday. So under those conditions. How do we imagine that early Christianity could have been so close to the perfect ideal those churches like our church and like all churches were made up of redeemed sinners who were not yet fully sanctified, defies truth about human nature and about the doctrine of salvation, but such a notion also ignores information that is given to us in the Scriptures as we learn about these churches and see them described on the pages of Scripture.

We realize that they were a lot farther from the ideal than we may have thought so there were not perfect churches in the first century, not even those that were very close to perfect.

There were churches made of people redeemed by the grace of God rescued out of darkness out of death out of condemnation out of idolatry out of licentiousness. And yet, nevertheless, still people who were flawed in learning how to walk the Christian life. The Christian walk. Therefore, these churches needed much correction and occasional discipline. That's an unwelcome word so unwelcome word to children in our home.

They don't particularly enjoy discipline, nor do parents enjoy disciplining our children. We know that it's necessary. There's an element of that that must be understood within the churches of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Some people think that what the Bible has to say about church discipline is contained almost exclusively in Matthew chapter 18 in the first Corinthians chapter 5. Those are two major passages but I call your attention to the fact that almost all of second Thessalonians chapter 3 also deals with the subject of church discipline is a major passage on that subject and get describes for us a an exercise of church discipline. Where excommunication is not in view, but something else is in view and therefore teaches us another approach, another level, another appropriate exercise of church discipline that is not quite as harsh as extreme as what is described in Matthew 18, where if he will not cure the church, let him be to you as a public good in the center or in first Corinthians chapter 5 where that man was commanded to be put out of the church and no longer considered to be a brother in Christ, yet we find in second Thessalonians 3, and a style of discipline a level of discipline that is applied to those who are acknowledged to be brothers in Christ, but who are walking disorderly as our text describes it, so we need to give careful attention to this passage that we have a more full orbed understanding of the subject of church discipline. So my approach today I'm going to take. First of all a look back.

Secondly, a look ahead and thirdly a look around, or if you please. A review and overview and a purview squeeze that were just a little bit to make it fit but I think I can make it fit for what I found in the dictionary.

Why am I looking back well because it has been more than two months since we have been in our passage in second Thessalonians and I recognize that we tend to forget where we been where we come from, what was the context of that is going on here and I think it is helpful that we do exactly that.

I'll never get out of my mind that account of John Calvin when he was expelled from his pulpit position in the city of Geneva and went to a Rather Obscure Pl. in Germany and was happy to just be basically a quiet scholar because that's what he was. That's what he wanted to be to study and write and publish.

And then after three years the city Council realized things were going so well without them. And so they invited the back pleaded with him to come back to the city of Geneva, and he reluctantly did not because he really wanted to but because he felt that that's what God wanted him to do and he knew that they really did need him and so he stepped in to his pulpit. The next Sunday, after more than three years absence. They said as I was saying before, and he went right into the next verse. That was the next in his series and his consecutive exposition which was the way that he preached in his pulpit in Geneva. As I was saying before, well as I was saying before, let me quickly review what I said before, think first of all, about the church at Thessalonica and how it came into being. It was a result of what we know of is the Macedonian vision on his second missionary journey. The apostle Paul had revisited the churches planted on the first journey first. The service and the end. He looked around for the next place to go a new place to go and preach the gospel word not been preached before and every place he tried to go.

He was hemmed in Holy Spirit with the letting go directly west toward Ephesus and would let him go north toward Bithynia and he finally ended up just because he was going trying to go whichever way could go. He ended up in the city of Troy is on the coast of what is now Turkey and had some interaction with with Christians who were there were not quite sure the teacher is clear as to how many Christians in and was a church intro as an existence in developing at that point or not but it was there that in the middle of the night he had the Macedonian vision and he saw a man from Macedonia and Greece beckoning the Bible tells us, with his hand and sank come over and help us in the morning when Paul related that to the rest of the missionary team. They all agreed that was God telling them where to go next and they got in a ship and they crossed the sea and they landed in Macedonia in northern Greece and they went to the principal city of Philippi and had that interesting. Interesting ministry there that eventually landed them in the Philippian jail and you know all about that, and then release from jail. The magistrates now embarrassed by their mistake in the way they treated Roman citizens and felt that they were in some danger. They encourage them to leave town quickly quickly get out of here and done, we decided to do that.

They left behind a good group of Christians in the church was moving forward and they decided to move on elsewhere so they started down the road about 100 miles south of Philippi. They stopped in the city of Thessalonica having past several smaller cities along the way and they came to Thessalonica, which was the largest city by population in Macedonia, a seaport town, a major commercial city right on one of the major Roman roads and there they preached the gospel first in the synagogues is the always did and then when they were expelled from the synagogues as they always eventually were they continued to preach the gospel of the church was planted and it is the church that we know of as the church of Thessalonica, but it wasn't long until the Jews rose up against them there and persecuted them. They were driven out of the city Thessalonica and they went on to the city of Berea. These were more noble than those of Thessalonica, referring to the Jews in that they studied the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so so before Paul departed from Macedonia. He had by the grace of God planted three churches Philippi, Thessalonica, Berea, and then persecution driving about of Berea. He went all the way down south to Aspen preach that famous sermon on Mars Hill God gave him a couple of converts a very small number of converts in Athens. He did not stay behind. As far as we can tell no church was planted at that time in Athens but he went on to another major city to the west of Athens, namely Corinth, and there he settled down and had a very fruitful ministry. He stayed there for a year and 1/2 and while he was in Corinth. He wrote epistles back to some of the other churches, and the first epistles were written to the church of Thessalonica were studying those epistles now we been through first Thessalonians, and were coming very close to the conclusion of second Thessalonians not want to pulsate in these two Thessalonians epistles a lot to say first Thessalonians is five chapters in the first chapter he talks about what a wonderful encouragement, they were and what wonderful manifestations of the fruit of the spirit they see in the PCs in their lives and he attributed all that to manifestations of their election by God. Apparently Paul wasn't one of these Calvinist calling that Calvin of course had been born yet, but wasn't one of these Calvinist who was afraid to talk about election, except only if whispered tones to select people quietly so that nobody would oppose Paul just talked about openly and he said, here are the evidences I see in you that you are indeed the elect of God, that chapter 1 chapter 2, he described his ministry among them, told them and us how he pursued that ministry with diligence with tenderness, like a nursing mother like a good father and so forth. But notice something that we often overlook in chapter 2.

Notice in first Thessalonians to verse nine because this pertains to our text for today for you. Remember, brother, and our labor and toil for laboring night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, we preached to you the gospel of God. This is first reference to the fact that while in Thessalonica, he and the other two members of his missionary team worked to earn their own living rather than receive financial support from the church goes on, he talks about the encouraging report the receipt from Timothy in chapter 3, Timothy delivered that first epistle traveling from Corinth to Thessalonica gave them Paul's epistle and then traveled back and gave to Paul. A report of how the church was doing and it was an encouraging report for the most part.

There were some elements that Paul was concerned about the come up in chapter 4 Paul is giving them practical practical exhortations, and now note, especially what he says in chapter 4, verses 10, 11 and 12, and indeed you do so, that is love one another.

All the brethren who are Macedonia, but we urge you to increase more and more that verse 11 you aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business to work with your own hands, as we commanded you here some of the things we just read in chapter 3 of the second Thessalonians, that you may walk properly toward those who are outside and that you may lack nothing because you're earning a living, you're not liking anything. Well, that a great deal of the first epistle is taken up with second coming clarifications last part of chapter 4 the first part of chapter 5 that's the part that most people are drawn to in the two Thessalonian epistles, and it is true that we find probably more about the second coming of Christ to these two short epistles than nearly anywhere else in one place in the New Testament that was an important theme but that's not only important theme in the Thessalonian epistles, and closes out chapter 5 with more practical exhortations in the first Thessalonians was followed just a few months later by second Thessalonians. There wasn't a lot of time in between and chapters 1 and two an hour to three chapter epistle chapters 1 and two are largely taken up with more teaching about the second coming been through all of that included a little bit more about the doctrine of election that gets impressive space.

Once again, look chapter 2 verse 13 but we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved of the Lord because God from the beginning shows you for salvation through sanctification by the spirit of belief in the truth. That's a text that destroys some of the attempts to explain away. Other passages that deal the doctrine of explanation.

Dr. election election is the salvation it is to good works. Election is under salvation is to the physical nation of Israel, and so forth and so on. And then you say what Paul talk about in second Thessalonians 213 God has chosen you from the beginning unto what salvation will that pretty well knock some of the misunderstandings out of the water does to Paul dealt with that when he comes to chapter 3, PE begins the opening parties. A prayer for gospel success for the word of God to spread freely with much power and fruitfulness.

But then the rest of the chapter deals with how the church must deal with disorderly church members.

Oh, you mean they had disorderly church members. Clearly they did you mean the church wasn't nearly perfect clearly wasn't immune. There are some things that needed to be corrected strongly corrected. Obviously there was this is how you deal disorderly church members. That's my review. Looking back, look ahead. I'm simply talking about taking the entire section about disciplining unruly church members from verse six to the end.

In verse 15 because when I can have time to carefully expositor all of that this morning so I want you to get an overview very quickly. Here's what you have to begins with a strong command to separate from disorderly brethren.

In verse six, followed by what I call a purposeful example in verses 7894 Paul once again tells them as he's told before reminds them really how he and the other members of the team had supported themselves financially while they were there as an example to them of how Christians are supposed to work and support themselves.

Now we understand at least one of the reasons why Paul did, why did you do that, he tells us he had a right to receive financial support from the church. So why would he choose instead to work and support himself will. Here's the reason why these one of the reasons why and and now we understand that this church wasn't perfect in this respect. This problem of reluctant church members.

That is, those who are reluctant to work goes way back to the beginning.

Paul sought from the very formation of the church. The very earliest days of the church was going on there and he thought instruction would corrected but it didn't. It still there after several ways to instruct and correct it still had not been corrected. And so now Paul comes to a very strong and forceful correction of what he identifies as a very serious problem, not a trivial matter.

A serious problem a serious defect among the believers in Thessalonica and so we come to an important principle in verse 10, which will look at a little bit later in more detail, but Inkster simply says if a person won't work, he shouldn't eat will come back to that he talks then directly to the disorderly gives the disappointing report them to come to him. Verse 11 and emphasizes that they must stop sponging off of others and get to work, followed by general encouragement to all the church to not become weary in doing well. Those who were living in orderly rather than disorderly lives and then inversely folly finishes up the chapter by giving detailed instructions as to how to correct the disorderly members.

Here's what you are to do step one step to step three.

He is all laid out.

Here's the purpose for which we are doing these things, so number one review number two overview moving along pretty well know where we number three purview.

Let's look around. Let's look more carefully in verses six, seven, eight, nine and 10 starting with his basic command in verse six, but we commanded you, brethren of the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which you received from us, what we looking at number one. When looking at a command.

We command you, brethren, this is not a suggestion, this is not a recommendation. This is not something that what you what you would would be better off if you do it this way, Paul says yes yes pay command. In fact, he makes it clear that this is an authoritative command in the name we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is not even an apostolic command alone, which is enough. Properly understood, but I want to make it clear that this command comes to you from me from the Lord Jesus Christ. This is of Jesus Christ are standing here giving it to you it comes to you from the Lord Jesus Christ. One of those rare times when Christ's full name and titles are put together all three the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why give more authority and wait to the command I read recently that the reason for middle names so that you'll know when you're in trouble when I was a child and my mother said Greg Kammerer. I didn't have any trepidation about coming when she said Gregory Norris Barclay you get here.

Go there something serious going on here.

Here's a command in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's an authoritative command. What else it is a churchwide command I command you, rather, this is not just to the elders that the part of the brethren, of course, is not just the church leaders.

This is not to deacons. This is not to a part of the church except to the part that are being obedient rather than disobedient in the way they walk, but this is a command to all of the church. You all have a responsibility here. This is to you brother.

And we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. What more is a separating command that you withdraw your selves wrong.

Normally, all the admonitions are drawn closer together strengthen your ties a fellowship work harder at relationships with one another the process.

There are some occasions when just the opposite must be done that you withdraw yourself that you separate yourself from some and from whom it is a distinguishing command that you distinguish between believers. There are believers who walk orderly in their believers who walk disorderly that you withdraw yourselves from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the traditional teaching which you received from us so we must to obey this command, we must distinguish between believers between those who are obedient and those who are disobedient and we must distinguish between behaviors.

Those who are disorderly of those who are orderly, that is those who are disobeying apostolic instructions and those who are obeying apostolic instructions. You gotta know which is which and in the case of those who are disorderly if they have been taught if they have been warned if they have been corrected verbally and still there is no response. Then, this is what you must do withdraw yourself from them their walking, disorderly term that means out of rank. It's a military term like soldiers who are not walking according to the instructions of their commanding officer. There out of rank.

There out of step. There out of order, they are out of the orders that have been given by Christ to the church as to how Christians are to behave and therefore they need to be corrected.

Basic command with.

Secondly, an instructive example in verses 789. This helps us understand what he means by disorderly disorderly is a general term that could apply to a lot of thing disorderly out of rank out of step will exactly in what way will we know now what way for verse seven. You yourselves know how you ought to follow us for we were not. There is this word again disorderly among you, what is that mean verse eight, nor did we eat anyone's bread to free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day. We might not be a burden to any of you, not because we did not have authority not because we didn't have the right to receive financial support from you, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us in this pattern of working for your living calls example of that of Timothy and Titus was not disorderly, that is, it was not an example of an unwillingness to work, but it was the opposite example of hard work, labor and toil. It was an example of productive work he produced a living, so that we were not a burden to you. We were not looking to you to maintain our living to defeat us to take care of our financial needs.

We do that ourselves by working it was an example of sacrifice and proper conduct. We did this so that you would have an example of how Christians are supposed to live in this regard. In particular, namely to work sometimes talk about the Protestant work ethic.

Sometimes talk about a Puritan work ethic what it is is a biblical work ethic, those who know and obey the Bible understand this is how Christians are to live. This is what they're supposed to do. They are supposed to work and support themselves and Paul says we showed you that by our example.

Therefore, we expect you to do as did among you. The question is, how is that possible and still being able to carry on an effective gospel work among them and were not told exactly how but I think it probably has to do in part with the fact that there was a whole team work. Paula been there by himself would've been very difficult to carry on the effective ministry while he was also working many long hours probably making tents in order to feed himself. He that would really cut down the preaching he could do and the evangelism that he could do.

The instruction that he could carry on so forth. We had a whole team.

Furthermore, I think this is possible because it was a pioneer work which means that Paul was not in a position where he had to study every week a new passage of Scripture to feed the congregation of people who really well-established and crew needed sound doctrine who needed the meat of the word required some pretty significant study in order to be able to do that which is the ideal of course, but he's dealing with brand-new Christians. He's dealing with basic doctrine is dealing with find it foundational truths. He's dealing with the ABCs is not having to spend a lot of time to study passages of Scripture in order to prepare to teach most of this, if not all of this he could teach without any study whatsoever. Another time would come when the church were developed to the place where that would no longer be possible. And they would need full-time pastors who could feed them according to their level of understanding.

But at this stage, was a pioneer work so was possible to do this I carry on communication with the pastor friend in the state of Washington who used to pastor in Illinois. Left at pastor went out to Washington took up secular job and then found a church that he became a part of and ended up becoming a co-elder with another man who also was a tent maker as we call it by vocational of a small church church about 3040 people maybe 50 of the most but hereto mailed who are working public work and also sharing the ministry and he says in that situation it's working fine, because they share the teaching responsibilities and the congregation small and so he is very happy that situation. But if the church grows 200 to 200. If if it matures to a higher level it's going to require either of the teams can have to grow a lot to make this possible or the like 10 or 15 mailed in a similar situation or it's good have to have no doubt one or more pastors who are giving themselves full-time to the ministry, but in this situation, it evidently worked and that brings us to a balancing principle in verse 10. The last verse in this passage that were going to examine then were going to bring some applications. Verse 10 about Michael balancing principle for even when we were with you, we commanded you this. If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat what I call this a balancing principle because it balances what else the Bible has to say about Christians giving Christians compassion Christians helping others, but those instructions as important as they are as needed as they are and were not his free to give us, we ought to be, but nevertheless those instructions are not without any clarification or without any definition. Because here's a balancing instruction.

There are certain cases when you ought not to give you ought not to support other, even if they are in need. It really depends on why they are in need and if they're in need because of slothfulness. Then you're not supposed to support them.

You're not supposed to help. It balances Christian compassion with wisdom. This is been a problem all along. Even when we work with you. We taught you this, we taught you this in the first epistle, but you didn't you didn't shape up. When I talk to you when I was with you. You didn't shape up. When I wrote to you about the first epistle not writing to this epistle and I'm telling you shape up with is going to be some consequences. The requirement is to work if anyone will not work. This is not talking about those who cannot work. That's an entirely different situation. Christian compassion says we help the helpless.

We help the needy. We help those who are in difficulty if they are in need through, not through laziness but because of illness because of other circumstances, we help them gladly. But if anyone is unwilling to work.

We shouldn't help him or her because that person needs to feel the consequences of their disorderly conduct.

The consequences for not working are neither shall he eat. If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. This is stronger than some people think Paul doesn't simply say if you don't work you probably won't have much to eat. It's true, depending on who's who's willing to support you foolishly, but if you don't work your certainly not that I have all the things you want people love people have big eyes and little ability to supply what they want because they're not willing to work when I was a boy.

Sometimes I heard the phrase your eyes are bigger than your stomach. That is, I took more food than I was able to eat. I wanted all gluttonous. Yeah a lot of people that way. I want to have this I want to have that I want to have the other thing I envy other people who have these things, but it ever occur to you that maybe they have the because they worked real hard and earned them and you don't have them because you're not working will know. I think they ought to be given to me without work wrong conclusion and we shouldn't encourage people with that wrong idea. Paul is not saying if you don't work you will have nothing to eat, so that's true enough, but stronger than that. If anyone refuses to work.

He shall not eat or could be translated if anyone refuses to work, let him not Pete. It's a command, don't you feed him refused to support let me see if I can quickly draw some important lessons on this passage. Number one I see the importance of patient instruction. How many times did Paul instruct these people before he lowered the boom there was verbal instruction. He said when we were with you, we told you this, that goes back to his preaching when he was in Thessalonica.

He was verbal.

Furthermore was visual when we were with you.

This is the example we showed you so we told you. You heard from our lips.

We showed you you sought in our example. Thirdly, it was written.

We wrote to you about it in the first Thessalonian epistle in chapter 4 verses 11 and 12. In particular, first Thessalonians 412. As you know how we exhorted you.

Verse 11 and commanded and charged every one of you as a father does his own children that you would walk worthy of God who calls you to his own kingdom and glory and I skip something here but verse nine free.

Remember, brethren, our labor and toil for labor night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you we preach to the gospel of God. Polarity showed you the verses are looking for now verse 11 of chapter 4, I was in the wrong chapter that you may aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, so we preach this to you when we were there we exemplified this before you when we were there we wrote this to you in our first epistle and some of you still haven't received this instruction you're still refusing to work and looking for handouts from other people in the church who are loving compassionate people who have a giving spirit because they have the spirit of Christ, who was willing to give. So, sacrificially, but Paul was patient and instructing them verbal instruction, visual instruction, written instruction, and finally even personal instruction because as this epistle is being read to the church. The disorderly are sitting right there hearing it read the first epistle he said in chapter 5, verse 27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read to all the holy brethren same thing is true. The second epistle so it's almost like you have one final chance all of you disorderly how many there were more than one clearly listen to what I am instructing the church to do if you don't shape up. I'm telling them to separate themselves from you. I'm telling them to withdraw from you. I'm telling them to discipline you, but not until this is my point. Not until he had patiently instructed them time and again in time and again verbally visually in writing personally as they were present as the epistle was read but finally after all of that being ignored. Paul says okay enough's enough back. This is what's coming next. Another lesson we learn is a response response ability of church members for one another written. These instructions are written to the whole church.

As I pointed out not just to the elders member what a church covenant says paragraph four. We further engage to watch over one another in brotherly love to remember one another in prayer to aid one another in sickness and distress to cultivate Christian sympathy in feeling and Christian courtesy in speech to be slow to take offense, but always ready for record reconciliation, and mindful of the rules of our Savior to secure without delay as a summarizing statement that makes reference to the 20 some times in the New Testament. When we read of things that we Christians are to do to one another love one another. Pray for one another and on and on and on it goes all the things we are to do the one another in passages in Scripture.

They are often passed by to lightly but they are strongly emphasized in Scripture that Christians have a responsibility to one another. And as we are learning here that even includes correction.

Christians have responsibility to correct one another that needs to be done graciously, kindly, lovingly and making sure that we have already taken care of the beam in our own eye, but it does need to be done. Lesson three. It is important to understand the different level of church discipline. Not all corrective discipline has excommunication in view in this passage Paul says you separate you withdraw from every brother, but she counting as an enemy continue to admonish him as a brother. The end of the discipline in Matthew 18 by Jesus is let him be to you as a heathen and a public another words no longer consider him to be a brother he's out.

Same thing a first Corinthians 5. Put that so-called brother out out of the church no longer consider him to be a brother, but here's a disciplinary situation where the person is being corrected.

He's being disciplined by the church, but still is counted as a brother but not treated as a brother in good standing, not treated as a brother in full fellowship. He's treated as a disorderly brother for the purpose of helping him get back in order, as will see you next week's passage. The purpose is to shame him, and to bring him to repentance. We need to understand different levels of church discipline. Sometimes this discipline is called, trying to remember what it's called it's called in the term just flies from my mind. I thought I had it right there, but it is the Mennonites and people like that: shunning use that term but they shun disobedient members of the group in order to shame them into submitting to the truth of God's word, or to the rules of the of the organization as the case may be.

This is a public rebuke of public rebuke. You don't want to do that, but sometimes you must for obedience to Christ and the health of the church others. 1/5 lesson for lesson rather almost to the fifth but that is simply this, that our rights must be submitted to the greater good.

Did Paul have a right to financial support clearly did.

I will go to the passages that teach that. But he sacrifice that in order not to be a hindrance to the reception of the gospel. He makes that clear. In first Thessalonians, and in order to be an example of the Christian work ethic, which apparently was a particular problem in Thessalonica and again in Corinth. I think it had a lot to do with Greek culture. Paul had left Asia.

In Turkey he gone into Greece and the Greek culture had a strong strong pattern of wealthy people patronizing, not so wealthy people and the whole system of patronage grew up where they were people who planned not to work, but to spend their lives at the expense of their patrons who they would flatter and an honor in various ways. That's what the patron got out of the deal and the person who was being patronized, got his living without working in process not among the people of God that something out of every culture which is ungodly on biblical unchristian. Contrary to the way Christians are to walk and so Paul was willing to relinquish his right to financial support in order to teach them this truth in the fifth lesson from this passage is this refusing to help the unqualified that is people who are qualified biblically to receive our help, refusing to help the unqualified listen to me.

Yes, as gracious, it is as godly, it is as pleasing to the Lord as is giving to those who are truly in need and never thought of it that way. To refuse to give to those who are in need is sinful to give to those who are not to be helped is also sinful that something we probably seldom considered, but it is not loving. It is not gracious. It is not godly to enable sloth those who are unwilling to work should not be maintained by others.

That's not helping them. That is neither loving nor helpful, even if I would submit to you. In closing, even if they are your own grown children. I can't bear to see them suffer. God says they need to suffer if a person will not work, then neither should they eat. You've got to live by truth, not by your feelings. If you really want to help them if you really want to love them if you really want to please the Lord, shall we pray father teaches thy ways and show us iPads. We pray in Christ name, amen


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