After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 4

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Wow. So, Producer J, we have Al Michaels, essentially the sample that they shared with him to kind of convince him that it actually would sound like him when they first asked him to give permission. So that's what they had to do with Al Michaels, who's still, you know, a legendary, I guess he's an emeritus employee with NBC now after all these years with them. And they needed his permission to use his voice for what will be up to 7 million personalized daily Olympic recaps for people who want them and go to Peacock. Ty Kelly, welcome to your daily Olympic recap, your personal rundown of yesterday's most thrilling Olympic moments. Since you're a swimming fan, let's head right to the pool. Team USA security's stunning victory in the men's 4x100 meter medley relay, smashing the world record. Over at the diving venue, Krista Palmer showcased resilience and skill in the Olympic Games, overcoming past knee surgeries to qualify for the women's springboard final.

Meanwhile, a tough break for Canada's Pamela Ware as a failed final dive scored zero, ending her bid for the final. Check out these highlights from yesterday's action. It's Al Michaels' voice, but it's not Al Michaels reading a script or actually giving you a personalized recap. It's a computer, a highly intelligent, but completely artificial Olympics recap. As Jay pointed out, the AI computer even includes the breaths. It sounds like it's an actual person who's reading this script.

Since you're a swimming fan. Here's another piece that's pretty scary. It will, first of all, based on your search habits and based on the events that you watch on Peacock or what you open up. It's a little bit like an, an what's that called? Not an anagram algorithm. Thank you.

It's a different word. It's a little bit like the algorithm that sends you news stories based on your search history. I think I told you guys before this goes back and it's actually kind of comical, uh, not last football season, but the year before when there were all these rumors about Tom Brady and his ex-wife breaking up. And so I clicked on a couple of stories on, you know, the, whatever Google Chrome page I open up, right? You open up the Google, the Google Chrome page or Microsoft Edge, and they will give you a bunch of stories.

I clicked on a couple of them and all of a sudden, every other story was about Brady and Bunchton. Then I start reading things about Kaitlin Clark. What do you think my computer sends me?

But personalized, uh, opening page with, I mean, just replete with articles about Kaitlin Clark. And so it's pretty scary, but it's that type of an algorithm. It can figure out what events you're interested in, what it is that you want to know, or it's, you know, it's, it's trying to calculate what you, you know, what you want to know about the Olympics that day. And it will say your name. It will say your name.

Okay. That's creepy. You can understand why Al Michaels at, at first was skeptical. Then his response when he heard what you just heard, astonishing, amazing, and a little bit frightening. Those are the adjectives he used in an interview with Vanity Fair when NBC first approached him and then gave him this sample.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence. Al went on to say, I'm thinking, whoa, but I'm thinking if people don't actually know it's AI generated, they might believe that they've got Al Michaels giving them a recap. And here's where it makes me nervous. You know, we've talked to a few other broadcasters and producers around the country who've said that they've been using AI. They use it for promos or imaging. They, you know, you can understand where musicians and their previous material, they'd be really nervous about a computer using that. I said to Marco, because of our podcast and because everything is digital these days, because everybody's got a computer. And I tell my students all the time, you want to practice broadcasting, use the microphone on your computer and tape yourself.

That's all you have to do. Every single phone has a microphone. Well, that's digital editing.

The clouds, it stores so much. There's so many thousands and thousands of hours of my broadcast online available. Anybody could go out there and have AI with a strong program, could go out there and have AI put together a broadcast and say, it's Amy Lawrence. And it's really not. That is scary.

I understand the use of the word frightening for Al. So we're asking you, how do you feel about AI? If we're just limiting it to sports, radio and TV, how do you feel about AI and the fact that the technology obviously will outpace any regulations, any ethical stipulations that are put on it? It's a little bit like the internet. Why it was called the wild, wild web for so long, because it took a while for laws and regulations to catch up. And even now, there's still a whole lot of stuff that's done that is unethical with the internet.

And it will be the same with AI, because not everyone will have the same values and ethics as I do, or as you do. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence. We kind of stumbled down this rabbit hole, but I've been really, really thankful for your responses so we can have this conversation online at ALawRadio or on our Facebook page. And our phone number is 855-212-4227. We'll get back to your calls coming up. Last night, the first round of the NBA draft, and it had a decidedly French flavor. With the first pick in the 2024 NBA draft, the Atlanta Hawks select Zachary Risache from Lyon, France, and Francis J.L. Borombres. With the second pick in the 2024 NBA draft, the Washington Wizards select Alex Saar from Toulouse, France, Overtime Elite, and Australia's Perth Wildcats of the NBL. How about I turn on my microphone?

AI cannot do that for me. Pretty incredible, the French flair. Top two picks are both 19-year-olds who represent France.

Alex Saar, you may know that name, he's fairly highly touted. His brother already in the NBA, and so some really sweet moments with Alex and Oliver. Oliver missed getting drafted, and so he went an unconventional route, but he's now with the Thunder, made his debut in late 2021, and he was standing there with his brother Alex as they were getting interviewed after his draft pick.

You know, he shat a lot with me, you know, like everything I've learned is through him, and everything I've learned is through him, and he gave me all his knowledge, and you know, to this day it's truly special to have someone like him in my corner. I went through his draft, and you know, I know how it feels to go out and draft it, you know, and for me to be able to be a top pick now is, you know, it's really special. So the Hawks and the Wizards go with 19-year-old French products, and I was saying this earlier, it's not that the European players are better than American-born players, it's just their development is different. I mean, there are plenty of incredible young basketball players that came up through American youth programs, AAU travel clubs, and on into high school and college, but the difference is that a lot of these college kids leave after one year, and they're on to the NBA where there's still very much projects.

Think Luka Doncic, think some of the, think Victor Wembanyama. These young men, these young ballplayers have been part of national team programs, and some of those are year-round. We're not talking about a training camp here, a couple practices here, a couple weeks leading up to an international competition there.

No, the European regiments or the regiments for other national teams around the world are much more year-round. It's why they can put together such incredible teams, and they're able to pick from the best, the best of the best in their country and develop them through years and years of different international competitions and international level, and so that's why you may have a 19-year-old or two or three of them coming from Europe who are more prepared for the NBA just because they've been playing pro basketball in their countries, and they've been playing with their national teams for years, whereas some of the American products, you know, they do the one year of college and then they're on to the NBA. It wasn't all French players, but it's kind of neat to see their dreams come true.

The emotion that pours out of them. A couple of guys that came through the G League really appreciated the emotion of the Bulls pick who actually is playing in Chicago for the G League, Matus Bozelis, and he was, I mean, he could barely contain his tears. It just finally having the chance to hear his name called at number 11 to the Chicago Bulls and gets to stay there.

A couple of guys that I was interested in that I wanted to see how high or how low they would go. We ended up with Donovan Klingen at number seven overall to the Trailblazers. So this is the seven foot two UConn two-time champion who gets up and down the floor, who's got the great footwork, the shot blocking, he's long, he's lengthy, he's got a real good attitude, and just is confident does all get out and spearheaded their run to this national championship.

And the Blazers take him. There's kind of some conversation about why he would go to Portland, but Joe Crone in the GM really high on Donovan. A player we're really, really high on.

A player we had ranked very highly. A player that we think is going to be a great addition to this franchise because of many reasons, you know, who he is as a person, the type of player he is, the defensive prowess that he brings, the winning mentality, a lot of good features, and Donovan has an extremely bright future. I'm really excited. You know, I know I've been watching the league the past couple of years and, you know, see the talent that they have and the potential that, you know, this team has coming forward. You know, I'm really excited to get to work, really excited to, you know, build a great relationship with the staff, you know, my teammates, and, you know, everyone in the building, you know, and I really just want to learn every day. I want to grow every day, and I want to try to bring championships back to Portland. From Connecticut, Storrs, Connecticut, to Portland, Oregon. It's not quite Edmonton to surprise Florida, but it's pretty darn close.

That is a long and abrupt change. However, I'm excited for him. I do think that it's neat that he'll have a chance to grow with a bunch of other young players in Portland, and he was actually drafted, was it two spots after Stephon Castle? No, three spots after Stephon Castle. So, Dan Hurley is right there in the mix, our friend Dan Hurley, is right there in the mix, and you've got the freshman of the year out of the Big East, number four overall, Stephon Castle. So, he goes from Connecticut, and then three picks later, it's Donovan Klingen, also going from the defending national champs, and yeah, they both spoke very highly of Dan Hurley, who was right there with them getting interviewed. It's at least good preparation, right, because UConn, they've got so much talent, pro talent, and they were able to take the best shot that the rest of college basketball had, and Stephon Castle at least had that training for the one year.

Everything is just happening like really, really fast. So, you know, just being in the natty, really soaking in that moment, you know, with my teammates, you know, that's a super big accomplishment, and then, you know, flip over to a couple months later, you know, you and, you know, another one of your teammates, our top 10 picks, you know, it really, it really means the world to me, and, you know, I wouldn't trade this for anything. So, that's pretty cool. So, that's pretty cool, and again, Dan Hurley right there front and center with his two guys, as was John Calipari, which I thought was interesting considering he's now the Arkansas head coach and has talked about how he had to build the roster in the locker room from complete scratch, but one of his guys got selected number three overall. That was Reed Shepherd, and interesting story with Reed, too, because his parents both played basketball in Kentucky.

He's essentially a legacy Kentucky player, right? A legacy wildcat is what they call it, and super cool because his mom was there. It's her birthday, and they got to see their son get drafted. I love these family stories.

They get me every time. Another one of the centers that we'll remember from March Madness, Zach Eady, obviously UConn and Purdue doing battle in the final four, and Eady ends up going a lot higher than what many people expect, number nine to the Memphis Grizzlies. Now, he was home in Canada having a big draft party, so he wasn't there, but that climb in of the Grizzlies is really psyched to get Zach at number nine. Zach Eady is a particularly special fit, I think, for this group.

In getting to know him, we're talking about someone whose competitiveness is through the roof, care factor through the roof, no ego, just wants to win. I think, to some, Zach Eady is viewed as a somewhat polarizing player. For us, when we think about, let's start with Zach and the progress that he's made, what he did over the course of his four-year career at Purdue, making that national championship game, working on his body.

Every year, I think his mobility clearly improved, year over year. I think there's some misconceptions about Zach Eady and his defense. He will head to Memphis. Remember, Zach from Canada, the story was that his mom would move during the basketball season so that he could play at Purdue and he could have some family with him. He was in Purdue, being in Lafayette and able to experience the Midwest there and now Memphis.

Not far, I mean a little bit of a different flare, but at least he's familiar somewhat with the center part of the country. And so you got those two big dudes, over seven foot, that get drafted in the top nine. How about number 17? I think a lot of Lakers fans were holding their breath. And with the 17th pick in the 2024 NBA draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select Dalton Connect from the University of Tennessee. We would have never imagined a player as skilled and sort of perfect for our needs would be there for us as Dalton Connect. We had him, you know, as a top 10 player unanimously across our scouting boards. I was at the SEC tournament scouting him extensively and in my mind was like, there's no way a player like this could be available for us to pick on draft night. So across the board just couldn't be happier.

Rob Palink is busy. I don't think that JJ was part of putting those draft boards together. That, yeah, that wouldn't have happened and I don't know if he went to the SEC tournament, but I do know that they were ready and they were happy to get Dalton Connect, who may or may not get to play with LeBron James. So those are some of the highlights of the first round. No, Bronny James did not get drafted and that would have been a bombshell. We would have been leading with that if LeBron's son got drafted in the first round.

Otherwise, not a whole lot of trade movement. They went through the first round and it's players that will be excited to see at the next level and how long they take to develop. I just was wondering out loud earlier when Zachary, Zachary Resache, the 19-year-old out of France gets fouled hard for the first time in the NBA.

Will people freak out as much as they did when Kaitlyn Clark got fouled hard the first time in the WNBA. On Twix at ALaw Radio, our Facebook page too, some of you weighing in about AI and I appreciate the diversity of opinions. I don't know if you're real or if your response is AI generated, but if you've heard about these personalized, air quotation, Olympic recaps generated by AI to sound like Al Michaels. Also Jay, have you noticed that when you type AI, okay so A, capital A and then the capital I, which looks like a little L, it's Al. That's why in the first pose I put artificial intelligence because it's just what do you think of Al Michaels, Al? It's like all right. What do you think of Al Al Michaels?

What do you think of an Al Al Michaels? I just want artificial intelligence. Yeah I actually had to figure out a way to separate AI from Al so it wouldn't look the same. So I put A period, I period. That's archaic. Well it's old grammar but no one uses the periods anymore. Like JJ, J period, J period.

No one uses that anymore. Yeah I guess so. Anyway how do you feel about AI and Al creeping into your sports radio and tv? 855-212-4227. Also if you missed my conversation with Bill Lindsey, the one who was yelling over the final call of the Florida Panthers capturing the Stanley Cup, man his story is amazing. I feel like he can yell from now until the cows come home and it would be okay. We talked to him earlier and we're going to bring back part of that conversation. It's yeah it's emotional. It's a story worth hearing and why this matters so much to Bill.

Oh we crossed the finish line buddy. Angie's List is now Angie and we've heard a lot of theories about why. I thought it was an eco move. For your words less paper. No it was how you could say it faster. No it's to be more iconic. Must be a tech thing.

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You are listening to the after hours podcast. 20 seconds to go in the season. Game seven Stanley Cup final. The others come up ice. One last chance up the right hand side through dry settle.

Panthers will try to pin it in the corner. 10 seconds to go. Seven seconds. Florida two, Edmonton one. Oilers pulling. Two seconds.

One second. The season is over. The Florida Panthers have won the Stanley Cup. 2-1 in game seven.

This is after hours with Amy Lawrence. Listen to that noise in surprise for game seven on Monday. Whether you're watching it on tv or listening to one of the radio calls that was Jack Michaels on Oilers radio. He actually joined us here on the show right after the game even though the Oilers lost.

He brings all the energy. Well the reason we play the Oilers call is because they were in front of the microphones again on Wednesday. Really their exit interviews if you will reflecting on this deep run that took them all the way to game seven and within one goal of the Stanley Cup. It'll take some time to obviously get over first and foremost. But at the end of the day you are going to have to get over it at some point and you know we're going to carry on and we'll get ourselves ready for another important season and get ourselves ready to do it all over again.

That's all you can do and will there be a time to look back? Yeah you know there's lots of happy moments throughout those playoffs for sure you know. A lot of great moments that that I'll remember for the rest of my life and just seeing the you know we sat in here after the Western Conference final and the streets are are you know crowded with you know people going crazy and and celebrating and and celebrating and um to know that um our team and our group um were the ones and the reasons they were happy and celebrating that's that's a great thing. The voice of Connor McDavid, the consensus best player in the world among his peers, the Conn Smythe award winner for playoff MVP, eight goals and 34 assists. Amy he was brilliant in stretches in these well not just the final but also the the entirety of the postseason and yet the last two games he was held pointless which pointless sounds funny he was held without points which is part of the reason why the Panthers were able to prevail in game seven but their story was incredible the Oilers started three nine and one on the season fired their coach bring in Chris Knoblauch they make that change they fire off 16 wins in a row I think later in the year they had a 12 game win streak so they were dead last in the NHL. Worth record in the league and end up in the Stanley Cup final which is a story in and of itself. Now Connor McDavid's one thing, Leon Drysidel, he did not score a goal in the Stanley Cup final and they really missed him. Obviously uh disappointing um can't can't really be much closer than than what we were um and if you're that close um I think it stings a little extra sometimes so um obviously accomplished a lot this year um really proud of the way we you know been written off by a lot of people so many times over and over again and um always seemed to find a way to to bounce back and and um yeah create some momentum for ourselves so um obviously we're playing to win so we there's one team that that that's happy right now. Leon was also asked about his contract status and coming up on Monday the Oilers have exclusive rights to negotiate an extension with him first so he's not a free agent yet but they have rights to be able to negotiate in this window.

He did say that of course they have first crack at or they're the only ones he's going to be talking to kind of making a joke about it but then went on to say I love it here this is where I want to be this is where I want to play but said you know really right now it's a boring standard answer of I'll be talking to my agent my agent will be talking to the team. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence coming up a conversation with Bill Lindsey who was on the other side of the broadcast booth and he and Doug Plagans with the final call the Stanley Cup game seven that went viral and we had to ask him about it but we're asking you about AI and the use of artificial intelligence when it comes to sports broadcasting when it comes to the media that you consume. Dusty says this on Facebook I don't know if you remember the movie War Games where the computer took over it was shooting nuclear weapons that's what I'm worried about. I actually remember that movie wasn't it from the 80s, 80s or 90s of your Civil War games? I've heard of it. I mean the computer technology would be about like what we have in studio now so you might not find it interesting but it was a good movie. I remember it was All the Rage when it came out.

Yeah it was it was really good. Let's see Marty says in Maryland an athletic director made public an AI generated racist anti-semitic rant in the voice of the principal. This was done in response to the principal investigating him for giving a friend a coaching job and then the friend never showed up okay so essentially done in retaliation. That's the way AI can be misused and Marty says it's scary. I mean think about it again there's thousands of hours of my voice out there if somebody wanted to use a program and come up with some type of a rant that I theoretically or supposedly said on the radio. Now I've never uttered racist sentiments or and I've certainly never used swear words on the air so I don't know how they would get that part but yeah like how do you generate racist comments? I guess you just put together other words that are innuendos or it's just the idea what just the idea that it can be done is scary enough. Right oh gosh it is. Let's see James says very creepy Jake on Facebook embrace it like I always say only a wet baby likes change. Ew you say that that's gross. Al Michael's voice was soothing and it felt personal right it felt that way but it wasn't that's the whole thing about like texting and social media relationships they may feel real but they're not in many cases that's the scary part about dating. I've never did internet dating um it's just not obviously not a great idea for me but like dating apps and dating websites you can believe that the relationship you're having through your phone is real and it can be someone that's not who you think they are that's the scary part to me I just yeah it's sounds creepy uh let's see uh Stephen says it's illegal to use a voice that sounds like someone else if its purpose is to be like that person he says doppelganger doppelgangers for famous people can't be used in commercials implying they're Brad Pitt they could use a similar voice or doppelganger doppelganger why is that word awful doppelganger if they do as a parody he says AI voice work is like an animated character with a human voice whether it's AI or a real human actor well true but you can understand the gray area there where actors are worried that their previous material can be used to generate new stuff new material that they didn't actually a sign off on or b get paid for I mean that's the part that broadcasters are worried about that was part of the reason for the sag after a strike against the production companies I'm also very worried about that as a consumer yeah what the hell do I want to watch movies of not fresh or live acting or or ideas I don't want an AI generated movie script that sounds terrible I want a human who sat down and put the time in to make a movie but you know I mean you and I we're gonna get to our break but you and I love Star Wars we know that in Star Wars there is a computer generated General Tarkin for Rogue One and also computer generated Princess Leia yeah and she passed away right so isn't that some type of AI though sure I guess we'll see I will I don't know CGI in movies is a different thing where that's fake dinosaurs exactly right like dress I don't know yeah we've got to take a break I mean that's a little bit along those lines though where it's it's fake at least we knew it though all right on Twix at ALaw Radio our 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ahead you are listening to the after hours podcast 10 seconds left to what panthers a dream 30 years in the making is a reality the florida panthers have won the stanley cup one stanley is coming home you always will have a place in south florida oh my god the panthers have won the stanley cup stanley cup champions panthers are the 2024 stanley cup champions oh we crossed the finish line buddy this is after hours with amy lawrence fantastic absolutely loved it even better after talking to longtime panther player and then panther broadcaster bill lindsay that you hear there with doug plagans and just wanted to bring back part of this conversation because his story is tremendous it's unique you'll be able to hear the whole thing on our podcast when the show is done but yesterday afternoon before i spoke to bill he had the chance to spend time with the stanley cup his father who's in hospice care and his wife were with him as well and the smiles on their faces in the photos are incredible so i asked bill what were his dad's emotions like as they finally got to hold and hug and hoist the stanley cup it was the happiest i've seen him in a long time yeah it really it really is and it's an interesting lineage in my family is that my mom who's passed was from mobile alabama and my dad was from utah i'm the only and i got a brother 17 years older than myself i'm the only person in my family ever to play hockey but uh i was moved up to a small town in canada born there my dad put me into skates and i took off in hockey and they had to go to the cold rinks drive me around to all the small towns get up at five in the morning make sure i was at practice their dedication was the only real reason that i was able to continue in the sport and my dad and i but more for him uh he living vicariously through me once i got to the nhl and now we're able to kind of wrap this together at the tail end of his life end of his life that's why he's got such a big smile smile on his face it's priceless and the emotions of it's different than winning as a player but just in some perspective for him and ourselves to be together on this day is something that i will treasure for the the rest of my lifetime i'm gonna blow those pictures up it's been 48 hours or so since the panthers clinched their first stanley cup in franchise history the final call with you and doug it's tremendous we've listened to it so many times on our show the emotion that comes pouring out of you what were those moments like those final 10 seconds when the puck is stuck in the corner there's a mad scrum there's about 15 players over there i bet the clock couldn't go fast enough but what was that like for you so it's it's chaotic and you hear all a bunch of different comments on on the call it's probably not the best decorum as a radio color analyst that what comes out at the end everyone asked is it scripted do you know what you're going to say at the end of the hockey game well going into that hockey game there was no black or white for this panther team you are going to be part of the greatest collapse in nhl history and that's no disrespect to the 1942 maples but there's 32 teams in the league now and if you blow that three nothing lead how do you recover as a franchise game seven if you win you get the ultimate euphoria so i was so nervous to begin at the start of the game and you're just living and dying on every second all the way up up to that very end and it's going by and those you're watching the clock watching the clock and it goes and when that final horn sounded someone else came into my body it was the outer body experience whatever was coming out of my mouth it probably didn't make any sense but it was elation and joy like i've never felt before every atom every cell in your body is just pumping adrenaline through you it's it's surreal it's a surreal moment right before your eyes and yeah it just poured out of me for good bad whatever it was it was just coming out there was no filter actually one of the things that i've said on my show is that i really appreciate doug just let you do and say whatever came out of your mouth he just allowed it to go because it was so authentic a lot of play-by-play announcers could have gotten offended or tried to talk over you instead it was pretty clear that your broadcast partner recognized what this moment meant to you and that more than anything he could say your emotion captured that moment perfectly well that was uh the uh the utmost professional when you hear him call games it's spot on he never makes a mistake and i'm jealous because i made mistakes all the time and i'm like over here all these uh it's amazing how he just never misses a player's name a puck or pass uh so dialed in one of the best in the business it's been an honor and a pleasure to work beside them and that's where after i i did feel jumpy and nervous when i saw that replay of the goal call because that's the play-by-play moments that's their dream that's their part uh that's their and all of a sudden i'm just jumping and stepping all over them and i'm just blessed with a great partner that's got the kindness that he has i actually send him a text and sort of apologize for so being so out of control and he just texted me right back and said i totally understand i get it and that's the part of beauty of uh doug and the relationship that i have with him he's a special person to me and i could not ask i could not generally ask for a better better broadcast partner than doug plagans uh he's one of a kind and we really really this journey over the stanley cup final on the road uh going on commercial flights to edmonton the journey that we shared throughout these playoffs i will remember forever and the moment is what it is now and that's pretty much it he's a he's a class act through and through i've seen some comments from guys like barkov as well as erin eckblad two guys who've logged more games as panthers than any other players and they've talked about the bleak years the revolving door the constant changes how bad was it bill it was rough yeah i go into the office and i say is jack here and they said well jack doesn't work here anymore i say okay so i go back in two weeks later and ask is tim here uh no tim doesn't work here anymore uh so the coaching changes the gm changes and that was a tough time and no discredit to the owners we've had some incredible incredible owners as far as people go but as far as when mr viola was able to take over this group and just give all the resources it changed and changed everything totally but it was bleak it was tough the the constant change the constant rotation we got so many players that played 10 games for us 15 games for us and they're gone somewhere else 20 games let's try someone else let's bring a new player in and the one constant through all that time two constants were at gladden barkov well and huberto for a while but the kachuk trade but they stayed there and they gutted it out and they fought their way through it and because of those experiences uh failure in life is a good thing as long as you keep going because you are always going to fail that's something but if you stop at failure you'll be stuck there but if you continue on past failure and fight uh you'll learn and you'll keep growing uh you're gonna fail you're down the road you're gonna land on your head and fall down again somehow keep pushing i heard it in a speech one time called fail forward fail forward just fail forward fail forward well barkoff echblad continued to learn fail forward now got the group we had the couple experiences last couple of years where we're close but still failing this year it all comes together and all of a sudden when you put all that failure together and you you continue to push and you continue to learn that is when champions are made bill you part of the first origins of the rats on the ice yep yeah i was in the room when scott millenby millenby killed the rat uh yeah so it plastered against the drywall he impaled it with a one-timer so and then that's when he went out and scored two goals and our goaltender after the game coined it the rat trick uh john van beesbrook and all of a sudden when they first started coming on you wouldn't believe it there was actually a couple of live mice oh no uh the white light white mice that made it on i was like this is not right uh this this is definitely not right um but all of a sudden that came flowing and became part of our legend and our lore and it still stuck around to this stanley cup championship but after that year in 1996 the nhl had had enough i know that because there was no objects to be thrown on the ice ever since then so that is the last time in the nhl that you were ever allowed to throw objects on the ice and not not not be called a penalty the the nhl tie boss that immediately but it was part of our franchise it and it's something that stuck and it stuck to this day so i guess that rat it did not die in vain maybe the most famous rat in history and this uh is part of our history down here in south florida oh my gosh did you ever get hit by a flying one a few times yeah you get yeah they came down they it had to be two three minutes we had orkin as a sponsor back then in the playoffs to pick the things up uh so so orkin was on the ice was a good sponsor but there were so many the goaltenders the opposing goaltenders especially would just hide into their nets they would because so many were coming down they would just kind of tuck into their nets and that's in the colorado series i knew we were patrick law when we scored the few goals we did at home he just skated out and just got pelted with rats he didn't care and i thought yep this is different than we've seen from the other goaltenders but yeah a couple times got hit by rats well it's an experience that is unique to surprise in the florida panthers and now those are stanley cup winning rats if you will good stuff with bill lindsay there's more in there about the stanley cup final about being in edmonton did you know he and doug plagans flew commercial oh yeah there's some stories in there too about planes trains and automobiles so we appreciate that we'll get it up on our youtube channel at some point this weekend but you can find it on our podcast all right a couple of your comments about ai as we wrap up this one on twix it scares me to think there will come a point when you won't be able to tell the difference remember the ad is it live or memorix i think i kind of do kind of do mike says the money nbc spent on producing fake al michael's voiceovers should have been spent on real reporting he says it's a cheap pr stunt probably not cheap it went viral it's also another reason i'm not going to subscribe to peacock and still sit through their commercials andy says i'm okay with it you know james earl jones gave permission for them to continue using his voice 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