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The number one pediatrician recommended brand. Even with 35 points from Kyrie Irving and a fourth quarter that featured a 22 to 2 run. The Mavericks cannot overtake the Celtics and turn the tables in game number three. So now facing an 0-3 deficit in the NBA Finals. The type of challenge no team has ever come out of with the win.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence. Glad to have you with us. We're going to jump right into our conversation with Chuck Cooperstein because he's already called a game tonight. So we're glad to have him join us here from Dallas.

Long time voice of their radio network. Yeah Chuck thinking about the ebbs and flows of the Finals to this point. Taking the 3-0 out of it. There have been some great stretches where it looked like the Mavericks might have an advantage. How close are these two teams if we're not looking at the three wins?

There's one significant difference and that's in the three-point volume of Boston. They shot 46 in game three. They shot 39 in game two. And they shot 42 in game one.

And the Mavericks who were actually second in the league in three-point attempts during the regular season at 39 a game but saw their numbers drop down once they made the trades. They're averaging 26 threes in these three games. And so like tonight in game three, Boston was a plus 24 on three-point shots in a seven-point game.

That's the difference in the game. Boston is generating all types of shots from deep. They're playing the math game.

They're playing the game that the modern analytics people say is the way you have to play in order to win. And for a lot of old school people who watch Boston throw up a bunch of threes and a lot of time go through a stretch where they're not making threes and they just hate watching that game. But ultimately, the game worked because the free throw shooting was about the same. The overall field goal percentage was about the same. But the three-point percentage, even though it was basically the same, the Celtics were 37%, the Mavericks were 36.

Just the pure volume of shots has been the biggest difference in the series. The Mavericks were able to go on a 22-2 run and cut the Celtics deficit. Looked like they were about to run away with game number three and the Mavericks really quick are able to take advantage of some missed shots. And they're aggressive and it looked like their defense was much more intense.

What's the key for them to be able to put a game together like that? I think Boston kind of helped because, and Boston is want to do this from time to time where they'll just get a little stagnant and it becomes a lot of isoball, especially with Tatum. Brown to a lesser degree, but they didn't always get great shots. But the Mavericks did play better defensively and I think they started to figure out a few things. And they have had, as you mentioned, those stretches in each game where they've been pretty good, where it looks like they've figured it out until they don't figure it out. Fortunately for them tonight, that happened late in the fourth quarter when really the key of the game, the Mavericks, as you mentioned on that 22-2 run, Boston doesn't score for almost four minutes. But the Mavericks couldn't hit enough shots, in fact couldn't hit any shots, save for that one Kyrie basket with about three and a half minutes to go, where they really had Boston on their heels. But they couldn't make the shots, couldn't get in front, couldn't make the Celtics think about it. And then, you know, Brown hit his shot off of an offensive rebound. Tatum kind of had it, lost the ball, got it back, put it in. And Derek White, as he always seems to do, hit a killer three. Not to mention Luka Doncic fouls out. It's one of those judgments that could go either way, but not having him on the court final four minutes just changes everything.

Absolutely. And that has been another huge part of this series. When Luka leaves the floor, the numbers are not good. He's not played in basically like 25 minutes in the series, and I want to say the Mavericks are like minus 22 in the 25 minutes that he hasn't played. That's hard to overcome, and it puts a tremendous amount of pressure on him, and clearly the Celtics know that. And they're putting tremendous pressure on him, whether it's Brown or it's Tatum.

You know, they're trying to get him into defensive actions and trying to wear him out, and for the most part, I think they have succeeded in that. In this game three, Derek Lively has the double-double off the bench. They did get double figures from P.J.

Washington. Kyrie finally has a breakout game where he's hitting the shots. This was enough in the other series in the West. What else do they need if they're going to take a game from Boston? They're going to have to find a way to generate some three-pointers.

I mean, I hate to go back to that, but really, this is the difference in the series. I mean, look, the Mavericks shot a better percentage tonight than the Celtics overall. Their free throw shooting was not a factor tonight.

I mean, in a bad way. They were 14 of 16 from the line. The free throws were basically even. The Mavericks out-rebounded them. The Mavericks took care of the basketball, which they didn't do in Game 2. It really is a matter of them being able to generate some threes, three-point attempts, and making them. And Boston and being able to hold Boston down. 46 threes is a ton.

If you can keep them to 35 or 35 to 38 or something like that, you've got a better chance. The thing with the Celtics is not only do they generate all those attempts, but all those guys can shoot it. It's not like they ever have a guy with a ball in his hands that you're looking at and say, I don't want you to shoot that. Everybody on that team can shoot it. And they're probably the only team that can say that.

And so really, they're the only team that can play this way. And if nothing else, it gives the Mavericks and it gives everybody else around the NBA, when you start getting past this series and into the offseason and preparing for next year, how do we get shooting? Shooting right now is the most valuable commodity that you can find.

And frankly, when it comes to the draft, what's the thing that you always hear? We're worried about the guy shooting. Maybe he'll develop into a shooter.

Well, that's not really what anybody wants to hear right now. They want to say, can you shoot? And if you can shoot, you're going to get paid.

And so I really think that that ultimately is the biggest part of this series. P.J. knocked down a couple of threes in the fourth quarter. Well, one in the fourth, one in the third.

That was encouraging. You know, Luca was one of seven from three tonight. He's obviously got to be better than that. You know, Kyrie hadn't made a three before tonight. You know, had missed his first one. He was 0 for 9 before he hit four of his last five. So, you know, it really does come down to that being able to run your offense to where you can generate the three-point attempts.

And then you got to be able to make them when they're there. And, you know, the Mavericks just haven't done well enough in that area. That's the biggest difference in the series.

Same number of made buckets in this game, but the Celtics had eight more from beyond the arc. Chuck Cooperstein is the longtime play-by-play voice of the Mavericks radio network. We're so excited to have him back here on the show following Game 3.

It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Where do you think experience factors into a series like this one? I think it certainly helps that the Celtics were there two years ago. They were up in that series two years ago and it took something Herculean from Steph Curry to change that series and ultimately put it in Golden State's favor. But I think that it helps certainly from in the case of a guy like Tatum, you know, who's shooting has not been great in the playoffs. But he has learned how to help his team even when he's not shooting well. You know, whether it's his rebound or it's passing, you know, he's been really good that way. And I think, you know, Jalen Brown, I think learned from his experience last year that the bad game seven against Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. No people wondering why do we want to pay this guy three hundred million dollars? Well, you're watching right now why you want to pay the guy three hundred million dollars because he's great.

He's created both ends. He's just become a really complete player. And when you have all of these experiences of playing under pressure and even if the Celtics, you know, have only lost two games here in the postseason, I think they've now been through enough close games, certainly, you know, scares with the Mavericks and, you know, games against Indiana that they absolutely could have lost in the Eastern Conference Finals to suggest that everything that happened to them, really in the last couple of years when they've been an excellent team and have turned into this juggernaut this year, they've learned from all of that.

And, you know, there's nothing that fazes them. I mean, to the point where even when they when they get hit with a 22 to two run, you know, they didn't give up the lead. You know, they never they didn't let go of the rope and they wound up winning the game as a result that, you know, credit to them and credit to their coaching staff for, you know, keeping getting them in the right places to make the right plays and go ahead and win games. Exactly 13 years ago tonight, it was Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Kidd and the Dallas Mavericks.

Oh, and yes, Chuck Cooperstein, who was there calling the game when they captured the NBA title at the expense of the Heat. What do you remember about that night, Chuck? Everything.

Everything about it. They got off to a really good start, got up like 14 in the first half. Miami put a big run on him at the end of the half. Dirk was terrible in the first half. He was like one for 10.

Couldn't make anything. But Jason Terry was the one ultimately that, you know, he kept them afloat and he was actually the leading scorer for the Mavericks in Game 6. He scored 27. You know, Dirk got busy in the second half and made a few made some shots and Miami never really made a serious push at them. And, you know, it was just incredible to watch them grind down that so-called super team to win in six. And then, you know, Dirk jumping over the table and going in the locker room and not wanting to come out.

But basically being told by the NBA, you have to come out because you're the most valuable player. We got to give you a trophy. You know, he was just so overcome with emotion. Everything about just the joy of a lot of players that had been very accomplished in their careers but were missing that one thing.

And they were able to achieve that and they will always have that brotherhood as a result of that. We see Dirk Nowitzki courtside at big games. He's got a big smile on his face. He's still around and obviously casts a very large shadow with the Mavericks. Is it possible to even describe his impact or what he means to this organization? He is the most beloved player in franchise history and I think he will always be the most beloved player in franchise history. You know, Luka Doncic, I believe, will be the greatest player that this franchise has ever had. Dirk has pretty much said that as well. You know, with all the things that Luka has done in his first six years in the NBA, you know, he's exceeded so many of the things that Dirk was able to do in 21 years. Luka is a remarkable player but, you know, Dirk, not just for his playing but for his off-the-court philanthropy and just, you know, when he had the chance to leave, he didn't leave and he spent 21 years with one franchise.

Now, it's not something that you see very often, if at all, in sports today, let alone in the NBA. And he's always been revered for that and I think he always will be revered for that. And the fact that he has that championship, I'm sure, you know, for a lot of fans, you know, just cements his place in Dallas.

I don't know that he necessarily needed it but it certainly didn't hurt. Luka, it blows me away that he's still only in his mid-20s and he's been a pro for more than a decade, if you go back to his days at home. How have you seen him grow in terms of being a leader and, as you point out, developing into the greatest player that the Mavericks franchise has ever had?

I think he's done a lot of growing up. His relationship with Jason Kidd, Jason Kidd understanding, you know, what a point guard and a great point guard goes through. I think Kyrie has really helped him as well. I think Kyrie has really helped center him in many ways. You know, if things were really close to going off the rails, which I don't think they ever were this year, but Kyrie was always there, they have a really good relationship. And Jason Kidd has a great relationship with both of those players, which I think is first and foremost the requirement of a modern day NBA head coach. Because if you don't have your superstars in your corner, you might as well just go find another job.

It's just not going to work. But, you know, he's engaged. He has a baby and I think that has helped center him as well. He's become more committed to his fitness.

You know, he has a whole team around him of physiologists and a cook and, you know, trainers and things like that that are always there. You know, these are the things that Dirk pretty well learned in his mid-20s and then carrying on through his career. I mean, yeah, he's been a pro and he's been a pro for a long time and he's been very successful.

But, you know, I think there were certain things that he knew he had to get better at. And I think, you know, this season has shown that. He put together a season that we've never seen in the NBA. And frankly, I mean, he's put together a playoff run that we've never seen. I mean, nobody has averaged as many points and rebounds and assists, you know, as he has, you know, in a playoff run.

So it's really impressive what he's done. And look, if the Mavericks don't win this series and it looks like they're not going to win it, you know, I think he will use the fuel the way so many great players do when they do fall short. The only question in my mind that Luca is going to win a championship at some point and he might win more than one, even with the West being as difficult as it is and looks like it's going to be for the foreseeable future. He's a great player.

He's done nothing but win his entire life, even though he's likely not to raise a trophy here in 2024, that that's really going to keep him from at some point doing exactly that. Chuck Cooperstein is with us from Dallas after calling game three of the NBA Finals. Before I let you go, Chuck, the NBA lost Jerry West. From your perspective, what does he mean to the league? Everything.

Really, everything. I mean, a 14-time All-Star. You know, some will hold it against them that he only won one championship.

But, you know, he was victimized by the greatest dynasty in basketball history in the Boston Celtics. And he was phenomenal in those series. I mean, just even think back to, you know, 69 and their loss to the Celtics in game seven and he had a 42-point triple-double. You know, one of only four 30-point triple-doubles in a losing cause in NBA history.

And he did that in game seven. I mean, he was a great shooter. He was a great defender. He was a great leader of their team. And he then had a second life as arguably the greatest team builder that the sport has ever seen.

As the general manager of the Lakers, you know, he was a coach even before then. And he was an excellent coach, but he just couldn't take it. He was so competitive, it just drove him absolutely insane. And even as a general manager, I mean, he had a really difficult time watching games.

It just, you know, his stomach couldn't take it. But he understood talent. He knew what an NBA player looked like and should look like. And he built his teams accordingly.

He was a depth trader. I mean, clearly, you know, the deal for Kobe Bryant is something that will be remembered, how they were able to lure Shaq in free agency away from Orlando. You know, he was a terrific drafter. You look what he did in Memphis afterward, after he left the Lakers and he built up, he and Hubie Brown and Mike Fratello, you know, built the Grizzlies into a really, really good team in the mid-aughts.

You know, he went on to, you know, Golden State and the Clippers. He wasn't, you know, the man in charge. He was, I don't want to say necessarily the power behind the throne, but he was the wizard, right? I mean, he was the Yoda. He was the guy that, you know, you could go to for, if you were Bob Myers and get Golden State, you know, for advice, what do you think?

And he would be very unvarnished in how he did it. And I think it was just awesome how he could understand, you know, the game as he played it in the 70s, as he helped build it in the 80s, and then as the game has evolved, you know, through the years. I mean, he was sharp as a tack. I mean, he knew everything about everyone and every team. And, I mean, he was the ultimate NBA man, and he will just be extraordinarily missed. You know, it's just too bad, I think, that there's a whole, you know, maybe even two generations of people that are listening to us tonight who watch things on Wednesday and who will watch things over the next couple of days who never saw Jerry West play, who don't understand why he is the logo and why that never changed all these years because there isn't anything that Jerry West didn't do and that he didn't do at an extraordinarily high level.

Sixty years he was involved with the NBA, and as you point out, a champion and a nearly perennial All-Star. All right, you can find Chuck Cooperstein on Twitter at Coop Mavs. Long time, Mavericks radio play-by-play voice.

You can hear those pipes. It's always good to have you on the show, Chuck. Thank you so much for a few minutes. Thanks for having me, Amy. Appreciate it.

Have a good one. Tributes all over basketball, even at the NBA Finals, especially at the NBA Finals, following the death of Jerry West at 86 years old. And Chuck outlines his career as succinctly as you possibly can. Not only did he score, not only did he coach, not only did he build teams, his impact on the league as a whole, there wasn't anything he didn't do, as Chuck said.

So he's a great loss. And this is right on the heels of Bill Walton, which is kind of tough a pair of Hall of Famers. I don't know if you know this about the Hall of Fame. In basketball, you can be selected more than once. Whether it's a different role or whether you go in as a single and then also go in as part of a team. For instance, the original dream team for the Olympics. But also those players, many of those players are in the hall individually. So Jerry West was actually selected three times over the course of his career as player, coach, executive.

It's pretty amazing, right? We're still figuring out the wording for our question, but something along the lines of which city slash metro. I feel like we could maybe use both words. Which city? Which area?

Which region? Nah. Maybe which city slash metro deserves the title of it city in sports right now.

Or is it in sports right now? All right, Jay, as long as you spell it right, I don't care. Do whatever. We'll put that question up. That was good. All right. We'll put that question up on our show Twix at Amy After Hours and our Facebook page, too. Thanks for hanging out with us.

Hope you survived your Wednesday. We're still boiling water at my house. At least we can shower. We can flush the toilets, but can't drink it. Can't use it to wash dishes. I'm using it to wash the clothes.

I don't know if that means I'm going to die early. Bob gave the pets water out of the faucet. And then I asked him, Hey, did you give them water out of the jugs where we had the spring water? Oh, no. We almost killed our pets. They drink out of the toilet and stuff. So not mine. Maybe not yours, but pets in general.

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Boom, boom, boom. Hey, Amy. Your show should be called Follow the Law because everything you have said tonight couldn't have said it better. Hi, Amy. How are you, big fan? Good morning, Amy.

My favorite talk show host, overwhelmingly. Good morning, Amy. Love your show. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. Hey, law, what is up?

Um, nothing. I love your show. Thank you. By the way, you're welcome. Amy, thank you for taking my call. I really appreciate the work you do.

Hello, Amy. I just love your show. I've been listening for about three months.

My first time calling in. Awesome. I love your enthusiasm and your whole style. Y'all keep me laughing and smiling. Don't get squeaky. That is the point.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Oh, wait, I'm supposed to be talking. Sometimes I get carried away and it's the music that I'd actually rather listen to. You ever get tired of hearing your own voice?

I was listening to, no, yes, I was listening to music as I was biking on the stationary bike that I have at my house. It's such a, it's such a relic. It's old. It's battery operated. It's mechanical, not digital. It's not a Peloton. It's not connected to anything.

It's not Internet ready. But it is one of the reasons and one of the major keys to me losing about 25 pounds, say, I don't know, four or five years ago. Maybe not. Yeah, it was about 20, 22 pounds, four or five years ago because you have to work your rear end off on this thing. So anyway, I was riding it and I was wearing headphones and I was singing and it was my mother-in-law's last night with us. I just wasn't done working out yet. So they were eating without me. And yes, it took me a couple of minutes and I realized, oh, that must be so nice for them while they're eating dinner. And I'm just stood down the whole way.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence. They were not eating hot dogs, although apparently my husband's a big hot dog fan. He's going to be eating them alone because that's not something I indulge in at all. But he really thought our conversation about team Joey, team Nathan, the various tendrils of the arguments for and against. He thought that was highly entertaining. He's determined that he'll be making extra hot dogs this summer just because.

But I told him that you're not going to change your mind. There's been a twist in the plot already. Joey Chestnut is not only banned from major league eating and the Nathan's hot dog contest on July 4th on Coney Island, but he's taking his skills to Labor Day weekend.

I was going to say South Beach, but that's not really true. He's taking oh, he's taking his skills to Netflix, of course, because everyone goes to Netflix. Joey Chestnut and his former arch rival, Takeru. Is it Takeru?

I don't know. It's Kobayashi. Takeru Kobayashi will actually meet again in the competitive eating space. First time in a long time. Wow. Goes back to right after the Celtics won their last championship. They have won a combined 22 Nathan's hot dog eating contest, 16 of those for Joey.

But instead, because they've both been banned, they're going to do their own live streaming event. Face off and get this. It's not Impossible Foods. It's all beef hot dogs, baby. All beef. I'm assuming it's not Nathan's.

I wouldn't think so. So you've got no other competitors. You just got the two giants in the sport. Joey Chestnut and Kobayashi, all beef hot dogs. All right. And you're still team Nathan? No, I'm team Joey.

I'm sorry. Team Joey. Yes, I'm still team Joey. Really? I think it's ridiculous that Nathan's cut off its nose to spot its face or cut off its wiener because. You seem to still think that these two guys are bigger than the hot dog. No, bigger than the contest. Yes.

Yes. I think that it's ridiculous if you haven't written it in fine print. You cannot endorse any other hot dog brand, nor can you endorse any fake plant based meats. If it's not in the contract, he can endorse something that's not an actual hot dog.

It's the same as endorsing a kielbasa. It's not the same thing. Yeah.

I see. I don't I find it convenient that so one day after he gets banned, they were able to put this all together with Netflix. I don't believe that. So you think it's a publicity stunt as well?

I just look whether or not he's going to be allowed back in Nathan's. That I find hard to believe because nobody would watch the Netflix thing. I think that kind of puts the kabosh on it.

No, I don't want to say nobody. It puts a little dent in that. So I do think that he's not going to be part of it. Not the same weekend.

It's Labor Day weekend. I still feel like he knew this was coming and he was more than happy to do this because now he gets an endorsement. He gets some money and then this probably makes up even more of the money.

So I don't think that this was something where, oh, poor Joey Chestnut. I think this was planned out and I think he figured out a way to make more money on this thing. Oh, I think he definitely has figured out a way. Honestly, though, these days, if you if both parties are motivated, you can do something like this really quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if they made it come together in the span of 24 hours. Kobayashi a little less than a month ago announced his official retirement from eating because of health concerns. Now I'm reading this new line here, which was cited from five hours ago to now. It says Kobayashi said in a release, retiring from me will only happen after I take Chestnut down one last time.

My question is this, and maybe I should have Googled this. Why was he banned from? Remember he rushed the stage? He tried to rush the stage back when Chestnut first won because they didn't let him eat. Something with his contract was wrong and they didn't let him eat. Then he tried to bum rush the stage and get up there. And he was like, you know, trespassing at that point. He was violently trying to overthrow the system.

He was trying to coup. Don't remember any of that. I don't remember. None of it. It doesn't even close to ring a bell. Similar to Malice at the Palace.

Along that scale. No recollection. Right, so now he's un-retiring for this deal. And Joey Chestnut, he's got the record. So we'll see whether or not the two of them can combine for anywhere more than 60. So Chestnut won his first title with 66. I think his record is 67 hot dogs and buns in 10 minutes.

I'm not even sure I could eat four hot dogs in 10 minutes, much less Jay was like, yeah I could do that. Four is a good number. No, four you can do.

Oh no, I lied. He holds the record with 76. I was going to say, I feel like 60 was wrong.

Sorry, my fault. I just knew it was six and seven. 76, this is not something I keep track of on a daily basis, 76 hot dogs and buns in 10 minutes. And so yes, he has won the past eight Nathan's hot dog eating contests. But because Major League Eating has a, are you ready for this, quote, hot dog exclusivity provision.

I just still say that that's where Chestnut's got them. Because the Impossible Foods is not an actual hot dog. Yeah, you and I, we differ on this.

I'm sorry. You package it as a hot dog, it's a hot dog. We get into semantics of whether or not... If I tell you this Sharpie is a pencil, it doesn't make it a pencil. Yeah, I don't buy it. It says it's a pencil.

It doesn't, this Sharpie cannot identify as a pencil and make it so. It can. No. Again, I don't know your, you seem to be so against the plant-based stuff.

I don't seem to be close. No, no, I'm just saying it's not meat. You can't say it's... It doesn't say it's meat. It says it's a hot dog. It's not a hot dog, though.

A hot dog, by definition, we know what a hot dog is and how it's made. Do we? Yes. Do we? Yes. Really?

Yes, of course we do not see the documentaries. An actual hot dog? Yes. It's made with the leftover meat from multiple animals, meant very often. And then it's wrapped in a casing. But it's no different than saying a sausage is a hot dog. If it's not meat and it's plant-based, it's not a hot dog. It's false advertising. Okay. Either way, that's what I believe, that the hot dog exclusivity provision should not apply to plant-based foods. I would think it's anything that says... Anywhere that's a hot dog and it doesn't say Nathan.

I don't think they care about why. Just because it says it's a hot dog does not make it a hot dog. All right.

Like, I don't feel like... I have two issues here, as I said last night. Partly, it's false advertising by Impossible Foods. And partly, it's, I think, this loophole for Joey Chestnut, because Impossible Foods is not hot dog. You're mad at Nathan for feeling threatened by this, which you don't think they should be, because it's not a competitor.

That's your argument here. But also, they can't ban a guy if he's endorsing a plant instead of an actual hot dog. You're right. They absolutely did. Anyway, they're going to go and take their ball to Labor Day and Netflix and do their own all-beef hot dog battle.

I wonder what brand they'll use. I guess that will be the next bombshell that will drop. But... So Labor Day Monday on Netflix? Yes. Wait. Let's see. Labor Day weekend, or is it Labor Day Monday? Hold on.

I'm looking. It is September 2nd. Yep. It's Monday. Labor Day Monday. Yeah, I feel like that's not going to do as well as the ratings for the Fourth of July. There's a little bit too much going on, Labor Day Monday. Labor Day Monday?

What's that? Well, I mean, usually you got, you know, whether it's the U.S. Open going on at that point, whether it's the finals or close to the finals, football's right around the corner. We've already kind of like started to taste it. I feel like people's minds have gotten away from barbecues and hot dogs at this point. No, that's the day.

And we've moved into other things. That's the day. It's your last bastion of summer.

It's your last stand before summer is gone. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like it's usually better. That's the day. That would be in the beginning. That's why Fourth of July would be.

It's almost it's kicking it off. Raise your hand right now, wherever you are, if you do a barbecue or a cookout or you eat burgers and dogs on Labor Day. I didn't say you don't eat that.

We do at my house. I didn't say that you wouldn't have a barbecue. I'm saying whether or not you're going to sit in front of Netflix and watch TV and be able to watch them eat these hot dogs on the same day. I know in our business, you get past Labor Day and our lives are not our own. Football becomes all consuming. So yes, Labor Day weekend is my last weekend to watch whatever the hell I want to without football encroaching, although there is college football that weekend, I think.

I don't know. I feel like Labor Day has got like the Sunday scaries if you're a kid going back to school. I feel like that's that's.

I always hated that. I feel like that's what I don't I don't think people are as excited about watching this on Netflix. I feel like they're they're in the bowels of the stomach butterflies going up the Sunday scaries that go back to whatever it is, whether it's life, school, whatever. You lost the summer, whatever it is. You got those scaries.

You got those butterflies. So you can't watch TV? You can, but you don't watch it the same way. It's not the same thing.

You're not exactly in the mood for it. I was the kid with perfect attendance, so I had no issues with scaries going back to school. I was chop chop.

Let's go. Oh, and by the way, yes, the one. By the way, in many parts of the country, they're already in school for weeks before Labor Day. Yes.

A lot of the parts of the South. My mom used to go back to school in early August. I know she's retired now, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I still feel like this is going to kick in a little bit on Netflix. They were there. I'm going to lose a little something there, a little something, something. Either way, Joey Chestnut and Kobayashi apparently teaming up to have the last laugh on the Nathan's hot dog eating contest. You think you can ban us from eating hot dogs competitively and spewing them out our noses? You think that you can keep us from being big stars and turning the tables on you and your puny no name hot dog eaters? Just wait.

So that's the twist. Now they do all these eating contests year round. It's not just hot dogs.

They eat all kinds of stuff. Bologna. Why exactly? Anything. Anything.

Chicken wings. Everything. Everything.

Everything. Why is it that we only care about the hot dog one? Joey Chestnut does because he's a 16 time champion, but that's not the only thing he competitively eats to be perfectly fair until last night.

I didn't care about this one either. I just, I, I'm surprised like this one is, it seems like it's part of Americana now and now it's going to Netflix and we're going to do you know that Americans consume billions? I'm going to look it up, billions of hot dogs per summer, especially on July 4th.

So it's definitely Americana. But then, so then why do we not care about the record for our hamburgers or, or for that I could probably hang. I just, I don't get it. Hot dogs are screwed. Chicken parm. Like why? Why is it just hot dog? I am making us hungry. I'm just saying I never understood that part of the wrong person here seems strange to me. All right.

Well too late to ask that question. It's an American tradition. We all seem to like chicken wings. Why the hell don't we watch that competitively?

And there's a new one. We do that on Super Bowl Sunday. Chicken wings.

That's what we do. That would be a good day for right before the game, a little chicken wing off. Chicken wing off.

I don't know. You want to watch that the day before you actually indulge in a whole bunch of chicken wings? To me, nothing makes me want a hot dog more than watching the hot dog eating contest. That's disgusting.

I need to have one after eating it. You got to try to do the routine, the methods, you got to at least try it. I can't do it. And on that note, we need to figure out when we're going to do our latest, what we call our gag reflex or practicing every gag reflex by doing our chubby bunny. We haven't done that yet. All right. That's a lot.

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This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Just a quick couple of minutes before the top of the hour and as it happens, Steve is listening in New Jersey and is hanging on the phone. Steve, welcome to the show. Well, I guess he could only hang on for two and a half minutes and that was it. He ran out.

A couple of things that I wanted to throw out there before we hit the top of the hour. Alexander Barkoff is practicing, did make the trip to Edmonton for game three. So full participant at practice Wednesday and even though there was a weather delay, the Panthers did make it to Edmonton. They haven't made the final decision about whether or not the captain will play in game three with the Panthers up. Now two games to none against the Oilers. That game is taking place on Thursday night. So yeah, they did get to Edmonton despite the delays and all that Paul Maurice would say is Barkoff felt better, got through the skate, was going to get checked. They'll continue to monitor him especially before he gets on the plane, after he gets off the plane and check it out again Thursday. So he is a game time decision after he was hit by Leon Dryseidel.

It was a high hit and it was dangerous but Dryseidel did not get fined, no suspension there or anything. I just had the penalty but Barkoff missed about the last 10 minutes or so of the third period. Panthers were able to hold that lead though and they would dearly love to have their captain back. Also, we didn't have a chance to bring it up because of hot dogs but just to follow up on a story we were talking about extensively to start the week, Kaitlyn Clark was left off the US Olympics team because of inexperience. That's the reason that was given by Jennifer Rizzotti who is in charge of the selection committee, she's the chair and of course Jen admits that they've heard the criticism, they've heard the backlash, the outside pressure to put Clark on the team because of all the new fans that she's drawn to the WNBA but this is what she told the Associated Press. How do we evaluate our players, well we do it based on criteria and she said there were other players that were harder to cut because they checked a lot more boxes. Sometimes it comes down to position, style of play, sometimes a vote but experience is one of the criteria.

The team includes seven women that won gold in Tokyo which of course was the seventh in a row for Team USA but she is listed as one of the top alternates should a player bow out. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence. Start your summer road trip at Midas and get up to $30 off your next repair service plus get a free Closer Look vehicle check to make sure you're road trip ready so if you need a brake service and alignment check or tune up hit up Midas for up to $30 off.

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