3-5-24 After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 4

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Ew. Why did I say that? Is it a thunder Tuesday? A thunderous Tuesday? Is it a tasty Tuesday? You know where this is going, right? No, it's not a little thunder Tuesday.

You know where this is going, correct? It's a taco Tuesday. Actually, I generally do taco Wednesday. Don't ask me why, but it seems to fall on a Wednesday.

Maybe because Wednesday is one of my cardio days. We'll do the tacos instead. Ours is going to be a tuna Tuesday. I think we're going to do just a big salad with tuna. Not tuna salad, but a salad with tuna.

They are completely different things, but tuna is such great protein. This is what happens when I'm hungry. In the morning, I start thinking about food, even though dinner is more than 12 hours away. And let's hope some sleep between now and then. But good morning to you!

If you're listening, sleep is already behind you. Those of you who are waking up and getting set for your Tuesday hope that you survived your Monday and did not find out that you were getting cut from your job. Like Russell Wilson. Now, granted, he gets what is in essence a $39 million severance. I suppose we could learn to live with that. People ask me a lot, not for heaven's sakes, that I make $39 million or even remotely close to a half a million.

Yikes. But if you're Russell Wilson and you are making this money because it was in your contract, remember you refused to change your contract, even though the Broncos threatened to bench you mid-season, you did not change your contract and take that injury clause out. And so the fact that he is getting cut now, that money is getting paid to him, will you then be willing to take a veteran minimum, so just over a million bucks, to sign with another team and play next season? I can imagine that he's got even more to prove now. So what he told us on the I Am Athlete podcast with Brandon Marshall is that he had something to prove in Denver, but maybe took it too far because he played hurt. He hated missing games and felt like he needed to be out there.

Well, how much more motivated is he now? He adjusted to the game, he adjusted to the game, he just said he wants to win wherever he goes. At the time he was speaking on the podcast, he wasn't sure about the Broncos, or maybe he was and he was not tipping his hand, not wanting to break this news before he knew specifically what the Broncos were doing, so maybe keeping his cards close to the vest. Regardless, his future is now wide open and once again the Broncos are searching for the next franchise quarterback.

They've been looking to replace Peyton Manning for now eight seasons and it's been a playoff drought since Super Bowl 50. The cold hard deets, the Broncos signed Russ to a five-year, $242.5 million contract after he was traded from Seattle to Denver and the cap hit, the salary cap hit. Now this is dead money, okay? Just to explain, dead money is not what they're paying Russ. Dead money is essentially money under the salary cap that's dead to them.

You might as well burn it up, you can't use it. They're not allowed to spend this $85 million over the next two seasons. Largest charge, that's what it's called in NFL circles, largest dead money charge, meaning a penalty, it's a penalty for the Broncos for backing out of a contract that they signed, this is the penalty. And I read this, which blows me away, the Broncos charge penalty under the cap is $85 million. It's not only the highest in NFL history or the most punitive in NFL history, but according to the roster management system, RMS, it's greater than the next two guys combined. So the next two largest dead money cap hits, or we'll just call it penalties, largest penalties for teams were Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers. So Falcons and Packers in the last two seasons, but Russell Wilson takes that to a whole new level, or more appropriately, the Broncos take that to a whole new level. Who wants Russ?

That's one question. And there certainly are a bunch of teams that need QBs, a bunch of them. Just in talking about what the future might hold for Justin Fields, we've gone down the list. We've got a bunch of teams that need QBs. We've got a bunch of teams that need QBs. We've got a bunch of teams that need QBs.

What might hold for Justin Fields? We've gone down the list. Upside, downside, upside, downside. Upside, up, upside, down, up, down.

I don't know why it's so complicated. Inside, out, looking at all the various teams that need QBs. Now, but the Falcons, Rahim Morris has indicated if they had a QB, they could win in 2024. I guess he's going with when we have a QB. The problem is that's the same thing the Broncos thought. Almost exactly two years ago, Denver finds out Aaron Rodgers is staying with the Packers.

So this is winter of 22. They find out Aaron's staying with the Packers. They trade for Russ and instantly there's euphoria in the Mile High City.

Producer Jay remembers because I was not buying into it. They were thrilled at the time they just hired Nathaniel Hackett. I guess according to, well, depending upon who you listen to, some would tell you that there was another reason or there were other reasons why they hired Hackett not just to try to lure Aaron Rodgers.

The Jets didn't care they used that same strategy. So Nathaniel Hackett gets hired. They don't get Aaron. They trade for Russ, essentially trade the farm. So much draft capital. They sign him to a new deal, the astronomical deal, before he ever takes a snap that matters. But the excitement, the anticipation, it was a wave.

It's like a shock wave. AFC West said we were rebuilding. I'll be honest, I don't know what rebuilding means.

That was just right. Everyone was counting out the Chiefs. The Broncos were the cream of the crop instantly. Well not just that but yeah they were expected to ascend back to the top of the AFC West along with the Chargers who had Justin Herbert and had made moves to beef up their defense and then we know what the Raiders did or were doing. They also had a bunch of high profile offensive players.

Remember Josh Jacobs led the NFL in touchdowns that season but their defense was abysmal. Gosh pretty much everything has changed in the AFC West except for the Kansas City Chiefs. Well they do have some changes right but it's still Andy Reid. It's still Pat Mahomes and Travis Kelce and some of the veterans on defense. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio.

Two years a failed experiment. It's not just about what Russ does next. Some have associated him with the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Omar Khan indicates they want Mason Rudolph back and obviously you've got Kenny under contract.

Can he pick it under contract even if they don't feel super confident in him? But what about the Broncos and where they go from here? We had a conversation with Brandon Kristol of KOA Colorado. He's a Broncos insider and I asked him what now for the Broncos at QB.

You may not believe his answer. You'll hear that coming up. We'll bring back part of that interview. But the last 10 years have been brutal for the Broncos. It's not that different than what the commanders have gone through. My god what the panthers have gone through. But also not that different from what the Broncos themselves went through when John Elway retired.

In fact it's eerily similar. After John retired, I'm going to give you the list. I remember all these so well. Brian Griese, Chris Miller. These are quarterbacks who started in the wake of John Elway's retirement.

The two Super Bowls but Elway's retirement. Brian Griese was essentially the main guy for the next four seasons but never did make it all the way through a year without getting hurt. So Chris Miller, Gus Farratt, Steve Burline. Then came the Jake Plummer era. Plummer, Burline, Danny Connell, Jerrius Jackson.

That was 2003. Then Plummer started every game the next two seasons. He gave way to Jay Cutler. Remember Jay Cutler? Oh yeah Jay Cutler was a was a Bronco until Josh McDaniels came along. Jay Cutler in 06, 07, 08. Then it was Kyle Orton.

Then it was Chris Simms. Kyle Orton lost his job to Tim Tebow in 2010. They went 10 and 11 and then came in Peyton Manning. So Manning was 12, 13, 14, 15 as well. Though he was hurt his final year in the league for a good portion of it and Brock Osweiler was doing a bunch of the starting.

So that was through 15 and then they tried everything. Osweiler, Trevor Simeon, Paxton Lynch. He was a draft pick. I've actually heard stories, I guess you can believe it or not, that internally after they drafted Paxton Lynch, which was 2016, John Elway wanted to go after Patrick Mahomes. He wanted to go after Josh Allen. There were other quarterbacks that were in those drafts, those subsequent drafts, that he wanted to pick. But because they got it so horribly wrong with Paxton Lynch, they were gun shy in the building about drafting another quarterback. The what ifs brutal when you swing and miss, to use a baseball analogy, but when you swing and miss at the quarterback position and it wasn't just the drafting, it was also the free agent signings. The number of different options they've used since Peyton Manning retired, again akin to what they tried after John Elway retired. So Mahomes was drafted when in 17, was he 17?

Yeah, he was 17. So they misfire on Paxton Lynch and then they don't go after Patrick Mahomes. They don't go after Josh Allen and the revolving door continues to rotate. Case Keenum, Joe Flacco, Drew Locke, Brandon Allen.

There's more. Jeff Driscoll, Brett Rippon. Now Phillip Lindsay started that COVID year, remember when they had all their entire quarterback room was in protocol?

People were so mad. Joe Flacco was a Bronco? I totally forgot about that. He started eight games.

Wow. In fact, he started half the 19th season. You don't remember? I totally forgot he was a Bronco.

Well, there's probably a reason why you repressed it. Do you remember Teddy Bridgewater? I remember him, yeah. And then Russell Wilson.

And then Jared Stidham. Of course. Swing and a miss. Swing and a miss. It's bad. It's been bad. And yet the Broncos somehow think they can do better. Well, I suppose the question you could ask is, could it get any worse?

Of course. Sean Payton did not want to work with Russell Wilson anymore. And according to Brandon, again we'll bring back part of that interview, one of the reasons is because Sean Payton's known for being creative offensively, innovative offensively. But that's not what we saw from this Broncos offense.

It was fairly limited. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence here on CBS Sports Radio. Russ released a statement, of course, and I do appreciate not just his professionalism, but his positivity. He thanked the Denver community, the city, talked about how his family grew there, the countless memories and friendships, wrote to his teammates, thanked everyone who was involved in his two years in Denver. My goodness, I'm not sure I'd even write this poignant of a statement after 11 plus years at CBS Sports Radio. It was fairly emotional.

He ended his statement with this, and this was on social, tough times don't last, but tough people do. God's got me. I'm excited for what's next. You know what? I'm sure that's true.

He is excited for what's to come. I would imagine. Anything but Denver.

And I don't necessarily mean the same. I mean the city or the people because it's a passionate fan base. But the Broncos were 11 and 19 in games that he started. They didn't make the playoffs. Sean Payton benched him. I'm sure he feels like the team embarrassed him by benching him, which is why he went public with his story about how they threatened to bench him earlier in the year if he didn't amend his contract.

Now they swear that's not really what happened. I gotta tell you, I believe Russ in this case. Russ and his agents. To me, it feels like that was pretty much the beginning of the end, even before they benched him behind closed doors when he didn't want to amend his contract and didn't feel like he should.

I wouldn't either. I mean, how often are players yelled at because they, this is by fans, they have a contract. They should abide by their contracts. Well, so should the team. So now what?

I don't know. I gotta feel like based on where the Broncos draft and the fact that they will have a hard time moving up because they don't have a lot to offer in the way of draft capital. They have a couple of attractive players, but what good does that do you? You get rid of Jerry Judy, you get rid of some of your other young guys, and then what? They're stuck. They're stuck like the commanders. They're stuck like the Panthers.

What's a, okay, what's a worse situation, Jay? Broncos, commanders, Panthers. Wait, don't tell me. Let's see. Who else do we throw into that mix? A team that's just kind of the bears.

Although they're in the number one spot, maybe people feel like they're in a better spot. Let's see. Who else? The Raiders.

That's a rough one. Raiders, Broncos, commanders, Panthers. Is there any, I mean, we could probably put the Patriots in that situation though. I think they're not just because of quarterback.

They're starting over with Jerrod and a lot of people really like Jerrod Mayo. I mean, I wouldn't put the Steelers in that class, but they do need a quarterback. Falcons need a quarterback. They do need a quarterback. I think the Broncos have it pretty bad.

I like yours. So you'd go, because the Bears are theoretically about to change, you'd go Bears because they have the number one pick. Well, they got the one pick. I think they improved the defense when they got sweat last year and they got better. They have DJ Moore. I mean, they have the, what, ninth pick two or eighth pick it is.

Yeah, they have two in the top ten, one and nine. Whether they get Stroud, whether they get Williams and, you know, either like trade that second pick or they just have a lot coming their way. Whether they use the draft capital or not, they have a lot of pieces coming their way.

All right, so commanders, Panthers. I feel like the Falcons. The Panthers is a rough situation. It's a rough situation. Panthers, is it fair to put two from the NFC South in our poll? It's, I mean.

Who's in the worst situation right now? The commanders. The commanders, the Panthers, the Broncos.

Hmm. Would you put the Pats in there or the Jets? Not the Jets. If Rogers gets hurt again, then I put the Jets in there. But I mean, they built their, they built their entire team around Aaron Rogers. And we saw how that went last year when he got hurt four plays in.

Right. But I, I, maybe I put the Titans. The Titans.

Titans are a rough one. Maybe I put the Panthers as the worst because like you were saying with the Broncos, how they could trade like a Pats or 10 or Jerry Judy or, if they wanted to go that route, they can recoup some picks and assets. Where the Panthers, who are they trading to get talent back? What do they have? They trade everybody already. They're gone. They got that. They got those picks back. They haven't done anything with it. So.

We're talking about the bottom of the barrel in the NFL right now. Not great. Yeah. I asked Brandon about the fan base too.

He says it's touch and go right now. You'll hear a little bit from him coming up. It's good stuff. Good info. But not a whole lot of answers. I gotta be honest.

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This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Denver is in search of a quarterback. Russell Wilson in search of a new home, but before that he did the conversation with Brandon Marshall on the I Am Athlete podcast and said, over the next five years I want to win too. All right, maybe that's an indication of how long he hopes to play because he is 35 now, but also where? He was supposed to be the missing piece in Denver.

Is he the missing piece somewhere else? It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Had a chance to catch up with our former colleague and longtime Broncos insider Brennan Kristol of KOA in Colorado, and some good intel here. Lots of speculation, but I started out by asking him, why is it worth it now to take this cap hit for Russell Wilson? Last week I was at the Combine all week long, right, and talked to everybody I could from the Broncos, and of course I see those people throughout the season, but the conversations are often different, and certainly at the Combine they're going to let their hair down a little bit more, so to speak, right, and so you get these different perspectives, but you come back to they all have varying criticisms of of the limited ability for Russ to run the offense the way they wanted to, and would cite different examples of different games where basically things were left out on the field, right, and as big as that win was over the Chiefs and snapping that losing streak over so many years, they left a lot of points on the field and the defense needed five turnovers in that game to give them a chance, but they think that they could have scored, you know, 35 or 40 points, but just that Russ wasn't necessarily executing it the way they wanted, couldn't process it fast enough, and so Sean Payton took a page, I think, out of Pete Carroll and his play-callers' books as best he could, where his defense was right around the ball, and then that Russ makes him plays when we really need him to, because that's when he's at his best, but I think they just couldn't go another season having to hold his hand, if you will, and and not open up the entire game plan, and so every, you know, I did this thing, and you can find it on my social media, at BK Denver Sports, where I just asked a single question to any national person I could, you know, Charles Davis, Sean Wilcox, 10-12 people, Albert Breer, but Chris Sims gave me the best answer. He said, you don't have Sean Payton to run the nine plays that they ran, you have Sean Payton to run nine million plays, and to be as creative as he is as an innovator and all that, not paraphrasing, but so Chris gave me that great answer, that that's why you have Sean Payton to unlock the full playbook and try to fool defenses, not to just try to beat them at something that's pretty straightforward and hope for the best. They still do not have a quarterback, so what now?

It's funny because, you know, I mentioned I talked to all these national media types, analysts, insiders, whatever, and more than one, and it feels like they're getting this from inside the building as well. We're high on Jared Stidham, and he started those last two games, he started a handful of games at the end of the season in both New England and in Vegas last year before he got here, and started the two games in Denver. I like Jared Stidham the person, and I got to interview him at the Senior Bowl when he's coming out of Auburn, and you're like, okay, he had a nice career at Auburn, obviously started at Baylor. All I heard before I sat down and talked to him was, man, those guys intangibles are off the charts, and it reminded me of what I would hear about Mark Sanchez, right?

When Mark Sanchez was coming out, you heard if he's in a car with Carson Palmer and Matt Leiner and Matt Castle, these other USC bros, he's the one driving the car, right? That's who Mark Sanchez is, and we know he maybe just didn't have enough tangibles, and so with Stidham, certainly in the smallest sample size, not sure he has enough tangibles, but Sean Payton thinks that he can run his offense. If they rolled Jared Stidham out there on opening day, and it's because he beat Ryan Tannehill out, or someone like that, and the rookie QB that hears a mid-round pick, it's gonna really, I think, anger some Broncos fans who are now longer suffering than they've ever been, or than they have been in 55 years, with eight straight seasons out of the playoffs, and so I think that Stidham is at the very best plan. We'll see if they do try to go after a Gardner Minshew or even a Kirk Cousins.

I don't think that they will, because of where they are cap-wise, go after somebody much more than that. A reclamation project on Tannehill or maybe a Jacoby Brissette, but I'm not sure Jacoby Brissette excites fans either. If they don't draft a rookie QB that we have to believe that they like, right, and even straightening up just one spot to 11 with the Vikings to go get a guy that they, quote, love, that they can reach, and a lot of people think it'll be JJ McCarthy if he's there, but if they don't have a rookie quarterback in this class, I think that if they start out slow, even with 90,000 people on the season ticket waiting list, we're going to start seeing empty seats in the power field at mile high because they're just so disheartened by the lack of vision, I guess, if you will, or having their young quarterback that they just had, you know, really had since John Elway was young in his career. It certainly does feel like it's been one big reclamation project after another, and they keep missing, even though they keep trying all kinds of different ways to not just improve the position, but find their next franchise guy. You cross your fingers if you're a Broncos fan, and if it's not McCarthy, is it Bo Nix, is it Michael Pennix, and you can find, I'm sure, Paulson, all of those top six QBs, if not because of the year he had, and the excitement, I guess, certainly the start of the year, but that Shader Sanders had right up the road in Boulder, you think, okay, how do you make sure that you've got one of the top picks next year to go out and try to draft Chidoor, but there's no way Sean Payton is going to be anywhere close to that, right?

You would think that he's still going to find a way to win five or six games, let alone maybe even seven or eight like he did last year. If they don't love one of these rookie QBs, or if they can't get to the one they love, the idea of love the one you're with, and if that's Jared Stidham, then it feels like it'll be a miss, so I'll be fascinated to see what the limited money they have in the veteran quarterback market they go after, because you've got to think Baker Mayfield's going back to Tampa with the Mike Evans news. You've got to think there's a way Mike Evans finds that deal if he doesn't know that Baker's definitely part of their plans next year, then it goes back to Cousins. You're not trading for Justin Fields.

If you're going to do that, you just keep Russell Wilson, right? And so, I think that it's going to be really fascinating to see the way they go in the short term and or what are they willing to part with, and so that's why I keep an eye on not just the Jerry Judy trade or even a Courtland Sutton trade, but as much as I think it'll pain folks in Broncos country to see it, if they were to trade Justin Simmons for a second third round pick, if they could get something that's probably more like a third because he's now north of 30, he's been an all-pro, he's led the team in the league in interceptions one year, and so I think that they need to acquire more assets so they have more ammunition to be able to move up if they need to, if there is somebody they love. How would you describe the attitude or the atmosphere, the outlook around the Broncos right now?

I think it depends on who you ask. I think fans are annoyed and disappointed. You know, Sean Payton doesn't feel that because he's only been here for a year, and he just kind of thinks of the idea of the Broncos, right?

He's not living and dying with every loss. George Payton, this is the first time, and now heading into his fourth year as a GM, where he has the same head coach, right? He had Vic Fangio in year one, then he hired Hackett in year two, and Sean Payton in year three, so he has felt a little bit more than Sean has, but they don't share those same memories that the fans here do, so I think the fans are hopeful that they love one of these young quarterbacks in the draft and can go get them so they can buy the jersey, and then obviously that it works out, because beyond that, I think that to say cautious optimism is probably even too much to characterize the way the fan base is right now here in Broncos country. I think that they know they've got some interesting pieces in certain parts, and hopefully Javonte Williams is better in year two off the ACL, and they like the kid, Jaleel McLaughlin, and I mentioned Marvin Mims Jr., and certainly Patrick Tan Jr., for a lot of people's money, the best cornerback in football, even though he played hurt in the last four or five games and just tough it out and it showed, especially in that Patriots game on Christmas Eve, fans here are at this point conditioned to be disappointed, which is not something that it used to, especially once Pat Boland bought the team in the early 80s, but that's where they are, and so with the expectations lowered, I suppose, then the only direction to go is up. I also get this sense too, I mentioned being at the combine, people around the league have much more faith in Sean Payton than folks here do, but that's because I think they understand the mechanics of the NFL better and what it takes to win and to sustain winning, which is something Sean did where they won a lot of games and had really good offense. It helped having a Hall of Fame quarterback, no question, but that Sean Payton will get it figured out, and I'm not sure Broncos fans, I think they're just so reluctant to bind anything at this point that they're not ready to jump in with both feet on Sean Payton.

They want to see him prove it to them that he still has that genius in it. They're getting a lancey there in Denver, eight seasons in a row with no playoffs, a revolving door at quarterback, not to mention multiple changes at coach and general manager. John Elway's not really involved anymore, which is also kind of a black mark for a lot of fans. They're going to get it right this offseason, doesn't feel like it, feels like the options are limited, they're stuck in purgatory, but who's in the worst situation?

Panthers, Raiders, at least there's a lot of excitement around Antonio Pierce for that AFC West franchise. I knew it two years ago. Ask producer Jay. Ask Boomer. I told Boomer too. Aren't you excited?

No, not really. You would never in on it. I was never in on it. I just had a bad feeling about this. Nice. Old man winter here. If I had it my way, it would stay winter all year long, short days, wind chill, black ice, and a good polar vortex.

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Where I announce I'm retiring from the NFL after 13 seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles. And today I must admit I am officially overrated, vastly overrated, but it took a lot of hard work and determination getting here. I have been the underdog my entire career. And I mean this when I say it, I wish I still was. Few things gave me more joy than proving someone wrong. My mother used to tell people and still says to this day, if you want Jason to do something, all you have to do is tell him he can't.

And that was true in more ways than I care to admit. This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Jason Kelsey makes it official and with a lot of tears, a lot of emotion, a lot of stories. He announces his retirement after 13 seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles. A whole lot of individual honors and awards. Two Super Bowl appearances including one in which he played against his brother and then the one he won with the Eagles in the days of Nick Foles. It's quite a story about Nick Foles.

It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Really emotional Jason as you can imagine. He always played with a ton of emotion and so he interspersed his tears with his words that had to be bleeped out, with his laughter.

His mom and dad were there and of course Travis was at his press conference. We did almost everything together. Competed, fought, laughed, cried and learned from each other. We invented games, imagined ourselves as star players of that time. We'd envisioned making the winning plays day after day on Coleridge Road. We won countless Super Bowls in our minds before ever leaving the house. I love the, I mean it kind of sounds like me when I'm out doing a run and the wind is blowing and it's called the ugly cry.

I learned that from, shoot was it one of my younger girls that I mentor? Ugly cry. I didn't know there was a term for it but yeah, when there's no saving your face.

It looks and sounds hideous. Balling, squalling, sobbing, yeah we've all been there at some point and for Jason Kelce it's certainly a career that he can be proud of. Again that's highly decorated. He can still play. He was first team all pro as the center in front of Jalen Hurts this season and I don't know is one of his biggest claims to fame the fact that nobody could figure out the tush push. Jason Kelce is a big reason why the tush push was so successful. I love, love, love hearing him talk about what Andy Reid meant to his family. I won't forget the call I got from Andy Reid on draft day and my father rushing into the room with tears streaming down his face as his son's dreams had just been realized. It had just been announced on TV I had been drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles and I won't forget two years later that same man and my brother receiving a call and him being drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs. This time the tears streaming down both my father and I's face as my brother had just realized his own.

That's cool. I hope Andy Reid cried some tears too. What a neat family story though that Reid drafted both the brothers and maybe had a inside scoop and line on Travis because of of Jason.

I think that's awesome. One more with an emotional Jason Kelce. He's talking to himself. I would expect nothing less from Jason. Again wears his heart on his sleeve. We see his emotion in various ways displayed on the football field. Oh my lord when he's in a sweet bare-chested exchanging beers with fans at Travis's playoff games. Of course welcoming Taylor Swift, the family, the podcast.

This is part of the Jason Kelce chart. Which personality do you like better? Which one appeals to you more Travis or Jason because they're not the same dude. Jason feels a bit more like an alpha male. I would agree with that and just does it doesn't matter what his wife wants him to do. Whether he embarrasses his kids. No he's just gonna do what he wants. I think they're both good guys it seems. I don't know.

Yes. But Jason has that more like softy teddy bear like you know like looking with a puppy dog face and he'll like give you everyone. Travis I don't think has that in him. You don't think so? He's got that alpha like partying and if you're not with me I'll just leave you behind. Like that's a bad thing.

Interesting. Anyway uh loves football obviously. Devoted most of his life to it at this point.

You can imagine he's physically, mentally, even emotionally just kind of worn out and tired. Definitely an early ballot hall-of-famer. Whenever I smell the clippings of a freshly mowed grass I am brought back to this day. I am brought back to this day. Brought back to this day. 12 years old.

Roxboro Middle School first day in pads. I've been asked many times why did I choose football. What drew me to the game and I never have an answer that gets it right. The best way I can explain it is what draws you to your favorite song, your favorite book. It's what it makes you feel. The seriousness of it.

The intensity of it. Stepping on the field was the most alive and free I had ever felt. Congratulations to Jason Kelsey. I wonder if he'll sign up for Cameo. We were talking about that earlier. Talking about the the Cameo option for celebrities who have a large following on social right. So it would be easy for Jason Kelsey to sign up. Do you think he would be a million dollar man? Well he's already a million dollar man but a million dollar Cameo man. Would you want Jason Kelsey to do a video for your loved one? Oh no no no.

As a Giants fan no. But as I would to do a video like yeah I think he could be a million dollar man on that platform. I think people would flock to his page channel.

Except they do have a lot of access to him through the podcast. True but a personal one. Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking that broadcasting is likely in his future. I can see that.

Yeah. But then he's got broadcast and he's got the podcast. I wonder if Tom Brady will continue to manage both things.

He's gonna want to do the podcast like daily now. Can you imagine two more different personalities? At least the ones that we've seen in front of the cameras and microphones. Tom Brady and Jason Kelsey. I mean Brady's kind of quirky and goofy. It's just that you don't see that a lot when he's doing his podcast or when he's in front of a camera. It's more polished. Yeah.

It'll let his hair down to compete with Jason Kelsey. All right we'll talk to you tonight. Enjoy your Tuesday. It's After Hours, CBS Sports Radio.

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