1-5-23 After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 2

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Losses just fall from the sky. It's not his fault. It's not Kylie's fault. It's not my fault. It's not the owner's fault. We just have really bad luck. Just hang in there and keep throwing money at us and we'll figure it out. Shut up.

Listen to In the Huddle, available on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcast. That first hour flew by and we've got big plans for the next three hours, although I already screwed up as I was doing basketball and I promised you that we would get to the winners of the Christmas Mason M&M jar. And actually, I don't even know where the jar is. Jay, where's the jar? The jar is safe.

No, that's not an answer. Where's the jar? The jar is stored. It is safe. It is in my basement. It's in your basement. That's where I did the counting.

That's where it all happened. Okay, well the jar needs to come back to me because technically it's my jar and my M&M's. True, the M&M's are safe too.

But I was a little under the weather when I was counting them. I didn't ask you about that. What I asked you is where's the jar? And now I'm saying the jar needs to come back to me. It's technically my property. So that was not your Christmas gift. Unless of course you would like to, because Jay's and I were not together for like two weeks, we haven't done Christmas gifts yet. Unless you would like that to be your Christmas gift. It's a nice jar, but I think I'll take the original Christmas gift. Oh, so you want what's behind door number two is what you're saying. Okay, well then when you bring back my Christmas Mason jar of M&M's, I will be happy to exchange it for your other Christmas gift. We'll do the exchange then?

Yes, sure. But I don't trust you because things get lost in your house somehow and they never come back. Like the After Hours swag. When we run out of swag, I just want you to know it's Jay's fault because he will not return the swag that he stole.

I just have all the shirts in my room. You're not supposed to tell people what they are. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. So I promise again, I promise I broke the last promise. I promise this hour, we'll get to the number of M&M's and the two listeners who hit it dead on.

And then several others who are within one. That's a lot of postage. The company does not reimburse me for postage, so I don't really know where I'm going to come up.

I might have to have a couple more paychecks before I can pay for your postage. You can find me on Twitter, ALawRadio, also on our show Twitter After Hours CBS, and then our Facebook page too, After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Now, I fully intended to talk college football and the national semifinals going back to Sunday night, then it was all NFL, and then the show has really taken a different turn the last couple nights, but I'm prepared now to talk college football. So if you need your memory jogged, nearly 22 million people tuned in for what was nearly 180 points in these two games. TCU and Michigan set the tone that ultimately it was a defensive stop that wrapped this one up for the Horned Frogs. I think we did a really good job coming off the Kansas State loss of looking in the mirror and saying, hey, look, what can we do better?

You know, and that's what I love about this group. No one ever blames anybody else. There's no, you know, no one points fingers. There's no, no one tries to, the offense doesn't blame the defense or the defense doesn't blame the offense or there's none of that on this football team. It was some kind of a crazy back and forth wild and yet ultimately it was the Horned Frogs stopping the Wolverines on fourth down as you hear on the TCU radio network from Learfield and then head coach Sonny Dykes, obviously second straight loss for Jim Harbaugh and the Michigan Wolverines in the playoff. Congratulations to the TCU. I thought they played a great game. Very opportunistic team, very resilient team, you know, really great team and played a great football game, no doubt. There's a winner, there's a non-winner, but it was, winner was football.

A winner and a non-winner. I like that from Jim Harbaugh and we'll talk about him momentarily. That was the first game. It was nuts.

The second one provided just as much chaos and it was the defending champion, Georgia on the ropes against Ohio State. Everyone on their feet here at Mercedes-Benz Stadium. Nobody's sitting in this one. From the 10, snap it back to Bennett. He looks in the end zone, throws it for the back corner. Caught! Caught! Touchdown! Touchdown! Touchdown A.D. Mitchell! Back left corner! Touchdown! The Dogs have tied it! Snap, hold, kick in the air.

Good! Georgia, 42. Ohio State, 41. To put Ohio State in front.

Snap, hold, kick. No! Good! No! Good! He missed it!

Left! Our guys are extremely resilient. We talked halftime about some games we've been in this year. We've been behind in, including the Missouri game. I had no doubt that our team would come out fighting. Did not play our best football game. A lot of that had to do with Ohio State. I have a lot of respect for them.

I have a lot of respect for these players that are on this podium with me and the ones in the locker room. And if we want any chance of winning a national championship, we have to play a lot better football than we played tonight. Kirby Smart, going back to Saturday, has his defending champs into the college football title tilt. Number one, Georgia against the upstart. Number three, TCU at SoFi Stadium on Monday. It's a 4.30 local time start in L.A., 7.30 in Georgia.

And actually, it'll be 6.30 in Texas, so where TCU is located. Alright, we're pleased to welcome Dennis Dodd from the desert, from Arizona, covers college football for CBS Sports. And Dennis, we'll get to that national championship matchup. But first I want to ask you about Jim Harbaugh. Following this loss in the playoff, he does an interview on Wednesday in which he indicates that while he doesn't know his future, he anticipates being at Michigan next year. So what do you know about Harbaugh's next steps? I know as much as Jim Harbaugh knows.

I think that's not much. He could change from minute to minute. We see it every year.

You can set your watch by it. And it's getting kind of old, frankly. And I'm sure the people in the administrators of Michigan are sick of it, too. It's Jim Harbaugh. He kind of does what he wants to do it. The latest statement was, I think I'm going to be the Michigan coach.

Well, thanks for that definitive statement, Jim. He apparently talked to the owner of the Panthers. Last February, on signing day, the interview with the Vikings was never going to get that job. Somehow held the recruiting class together, which by the way, for a team that had just been to the playoff, was not very good. And I suspect if he keeps doing this, it's going to hurt this year's recruiting class. So it's just getting worn and old and tedious. You know, what do you do if you're the athletic director or manual at Michigan?

Do you put your foot down? You can't. The guy's the most successful coach they've had there since Bo Schembechler.

So you just have to write it out, I guess. In your opinion, is he that valuable to Michigan in that they should just kind of go with the flow and hope that he returns? Yeah, he is.

I mean, where are you going to turn if he doesn't come back? He's a proven commodity. He's been to two straight playoffs, won the Big Ten twice. We're at the point now where, well, maybe they're putting too much energy and trying to beat Ohio State. That's the biggest criticism of Jim Harbaugh, bring it on, in terms of not advancing in the playoffs.

But no, he's very valuable. He's a really good coach. He's been a really good coach in the NFL. He's been a really good coach at Stanford, now at Michigan. So he's gotten past the bugaboo of beating Ohio State to the point that Ryan Day's job wasn't coming into question with some people. They had 45 and 5 when they lost the game in late November. The Panthers just fired a coach that came out of college, but obviously Matt Ruhle didn't have the NFL track record that Harbaugh does with the Niners going to, what was it, three consecutive NFC Championship games? In four years, I believe.

Yeah, that's what I mean. He is a proven commodity in the NFL. He's a proven coaching commodity. There are owners and teams all over the place that would love to have him in there.

He's quirky, but if that's the worst thing you can say about him, then that's fine. The guy can win. The guy can coach. He can recruit.

He can assemble rosters. Yeah, why not in this age of NIL, which frankly Michigan hasn't had a deal with yet. Michigan hasn't gone really big into the portal and still won big.

It says something about him on that as well. We're so excited to have Dennis Dodd back on the show. This huge week for college football for a lot of reasons, but covers it on the national scale for CBS Sports. It's after hours on CBS Sports Radio. So the numbers coming out with the national semifinals in terms of viewership, huge. 21.7 million viewers, the most ever on what was a non-New Year's Day. When you think about it, defense not the order of the day, though they were certainly very entertaining. What still sticks with you about what we saw in those two games on New Year's Eve, Dennis? The highest scoring semis ever, 179 total points. The closest pair of games ever decided by a total of seven points.

So if you're a person or TV executive, you've got to love that. Except for TCU, three brand names. And I think the prospect of TCU winning drew people to the game maybe even after it started. So no, I think it's good. Look, the previous eight years of semis, 16 games, had been decided by an average of more than 21 points. That's probably not surprising to anybody. They have not been compelling by and large. 16 of the 24 total playoff games have been decided by double digits.

So this thing had gotten a little long on the two. I don't want to say boring, but same old teams, blowouts. The TCU thing is amazing because I have written this and I've said it. I think they're the one true Cinderella of college football in its history. Because first of all, the sport has never embraced Cinderella in the sense that they have made the NCAA tournament in basketball. It's been a very closed shop.

It's been a very exclusive shop. And for a comp on this, you really have to go back 38 years to when BYU beat Michigan for the national championship. And it was number one really by process of elimination. It was the only undefeated team left. You had to vote for BYU. But even back then, BYU was considered a major power.

I don't have to tell you what Lavelle Edwards did. The WAC was considered a major conference, believe it or not. So it wasn't even TCU. TCU has spent decades doing this. This is their fifth conference since 1994. They've only been in the Big 12 since, I want to say, 2012, maybe 11.

So it hasn't even been that long. And it's TCU. It's a little private school on the outskirts of the metroplex in Fort Worth. 9,000 enrollment.

They put resources into this. But they're the first school, at least in the CFP era, to go this far. So I guess no surprise there. They're only the third school to go from a losing record to the CFP. Strangely enough, Michigan was one of those last year. And then, who was it the first year? It was Auburn in 2013.

So it is strange. The upset of Michigan was one of the more significant ones. Again, I would say in college football history, because of the stakes, Michigan was surprised by the athleticism, particularly of TCU's defensive front and their defense as a whole. And I think in a six-point game that went down the wire, I think that was a factor. Well, and a pair of interception returns for touchdowns were huge as well.

So yes, it was back and forth the entire time. And then in the other game, you have the defending champion, Georgia, with that late touchdown drive. What saved the Dawgs in this game against Ohio State?

How did they pull it out? Well, Stetson Bennett, they got hot late. And it begs the question, if Georgia didn't have Stetson Bennett, where would they be as quarterbacks? We're talking about a six-year former walk-on who transferred to JUCO College, came back.

And Amy, what is this? About a year and a half ago, in the spring of 2021, Stetson Bennett did not take a snap. That's how far he was down the depth chart.

Obviously, he won it last year. He is 100 yards and change from throwing for 4,000 yards. And his story just keeps getting better and better. It's beyond a movie. It's a Netflix series.

It's a doc. And he might still be playing by the time they get around to doing it. Yeah, he's a six-year player who has just done great things.

People underestimate him all the time and at their peril. So, he combined that with a pretty good defense, a really great defense. But here's the reason TCU has a chance. They've already played this game once with Michigan.

Michigan was a prohibitive saver. Seven and a half. Georgia is 12 and a half, which I think is outlandish.

I think it is way too big. Georgia may win, but TCU's offense is going to hold them in this game. In this game, they've played this and they know they can do it because they've won this game in their minds. Georgia has given up 1,000 yards combined in the last two games. I can't remember saying those words ever in the last 15 years. I think they had a puncher's chance.

Maybe more than that. What do you think about the game against Ohio State? They're scoreless in the third quarter, if I remember correctly, and so they kind of went through these droughts. There were stretches where they didn't execute the way that you would kind of expect from a team that's competing for a national championship. Could TCU kind of pounce on those mistakes? Well, I think Georgia was fortunate in many ways to win that game. Kirby Smart called the timeout when Ohio State was going to hit that fake punt, which they were going to succeed on. A lot of people thought that he shouldn't have even gotten the timeout. He called it so late. There was a non-targeting call on Marvin Harrison in the back of the end zone. I just told you they gained 500 yards against Georgia. CJ's job was great until he wasn't late. I'm still trying to figure out a little bit how they won that game.

I don't know if it was the mistakes. I just think Ohio State had a great plan. Is TCU going to get two pick sixes against Georgia?

Probably not. They do have the means, again, with that defense to make Stetson Bennett look a little ordinary, so we'll see. Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports with us here after hours on CBS Sports Radio, thinking ahead to when the playoff expands. It's not, of course, going to be the same old same old because they're going to have to fill out a much larger bracket.

It's going to be fun. This year Tulane would have been in as a 12 seed. Utah would have gotten the first round by as a conference champion. I've got a piece tomorrow skipping all the way ahead to 16 because the structure is already there. When they announced this, formally in June of 2021, they had already modeled everything from 6 to 16. There was a lot of support for 16, but they thought, let's take this intermediary step. But I think eventually it's going to go to 16 because there's too much there.

If it's about access, then why not? On that first weekend in December, in those first round games, you're playing four games, eight teams. That's two days and two games each.

You're only talking about everybody playing. That's 16 teams, eight games. Your only problem is where to put that on the calendar so it doesn't conflict with the NFL. I think they'll be there. I think it'll be even more fun. I think these two semifinal games have people looking at that going, man, this could be really, really cool if Tulane was playing for it instead of a New Year's six bowl. If Utah had a first round by and then hosted a game in a bowl or something like that. It could be really, really fun. This is certainly going to be a topic even more so moving forward in college football, but I'm hearing rumblings about expanding the NCAA tournament.

People keep asking me, do you think it's a good idea? I don't know, Dennis, do you think it's a good idea to expand on the basketball side? Well, first of all, it's not going to happen. That was the headline from the results of the transformation committee recommendations yesterday. It's not going to happen.

In fact, Matt Norlander, our basketball writer had a very comprehensive story today. Nobody who matters wants it. There's no compelling need to go from 68 to 90.

The quality of teams at that point would be bad at that end. And the right folders don't want it. There's no room on the calendar for the right folder, CBS, Turner, what have you. They don't want to do that. They don't want to pay more for it. Again, because of that quality, they're worried about paying for it. You know, right now, every deserving team that deserves to get in gets in, you know, except for Dick Vitale picking somebody out and whining every March about what an injustice is.

Nobody else cares to 68 or in that should be in. It's not going to happen, nor should it happen. It's perfect. It does not need tweaking. This is literally one of those examples of if it's not broke, don't fix it.

It is such a perfect event. What the transformation committee was doing was, the whole set of recommendations was about enhancing the student-athlete experience, a 25% increase in the post-season opportunities for teams. Okay, that's every team, or every sport, excuse me, including basketball. Basketball doesn't need it. Gymnastics might need it. Basketball might need it.

And if you're going to do it, you're going to have to do it for men and women. I mean, that's something that I didn't mention in the basketball side. And that's something that you have to consider. If you're going to go to 90 in men, you're going to have to go to 90 in women, and there are the same problems with that, as I mentioned with the men. There's just no there there.

So you really have to think long and hard about this. This is more about, I don't know, volleyball, giving more opportunities to the players than that. Beach volleyball or something like that.

Gymnastics isn't really basketball. Thinking ahead to the NFL draft, I know that's not the concern at this point, but there's been some debate about Stetson Bennett, whether he decides to play college football for another six years or so. But how do you think he fits at the next level? I'm not a draft person. I'm not a draft Nick.

All I've heard is that fifth round, sixth round, seventh round, something like that. But that's way ahead of where he was when he started, or even a year ago, as I mentioned. A capable backup. Let's not go crazy here. You watch him play. He's not CJ Stroud, he's not Bryce Young, not Patrick Mahomes, but is he going to get onto a roster? Yeah, I think he is, and that'll be fine.

So I think the analysis stops right there with him. There's not too much to think about. When you think about the college football season as a whole, what's one story that will remain a favorite for you, even before we know the national championship, Dennis? Oh gosh, I think TCU. I just think it came out of nowhere that they got this far. They're 6-0. They're going to lose. They go to Texas now. They win a grinder. A team that does all offense wins a grinder, wins with defense, helps Texas out of the end zone offensively. And then here they are.

They are the one true Cinderella. That's what will dominate for a lot of people this season. That and the fact that the expansion thing that bled into the season and it was so tedious. We're going to start in two years with 12 teams, and that's fine. The prospect held everybody hostage for over a year. It was unfortunate, but it's been a really, really good season.

I'll leave you with a little nugget. If you think the game has really gone crazy offensively right now at this moment, it's the lowest scoring season in 12 years that's shocking. We'll wait for the final game, but overall, over whatever it is, 2,400 games, lowest scoring season in 12 years.

Whatever that means, I don't know. That's your little stat for the night. Nice. I like that. In fact, not that different from where the NFL is.

Its trends are down in terms of scoring and passing attacks and much more about running the ball and stopping the run, which is kind of old-fashioned these days in football. It's funny that you say TCU. I think it kind of transcends the sport. My mom does live in Texas, but she's in Houston. And the question that she asked me on the phone last weekend, so can TCU beat Michigan? And I thought to myself, mom, how do you even know which two teams are playing in this national semifinal?

Because she's not big into college football. But yes, it definitely is a fun Cinderella story. So you can find Dennis on Twitter at Dennis.CBS, and he'll be there for the national championship at SoFi on Monday. It's great to catch up with you, Dennis. Happy New Year. Thank you so much. Amy, glad to do it.

Thank you. All of a sudden, my mom has become a subject of multiple different conversations here on the show between her knowledge of Robbie Gould and his redemption and Brock Purdy with the Niners over the weekend, and also her asking me if TCU could beat Michigan, could win this game. And look at this. Horned frogs and dogs in the national championship on Monday. So we have quite the weekend of football. We've got Saturday doubleheader in the NFL, Sunday, not quite a full slate, but pretty darn close. And then we've got Monday football, not what we normally get because Thursday Night Football and Monday Night Football are done for now. We do get Monday playoffs wildcard weekend. So that supersized wildcard weekend now features Monday, which is a little bit odd.

But you know, I tell you, the NFL has urban sprawl. All right. I promise after this break, the winners of the After Hours swag courtesy of our Christmas Mason M&M contest. Better late than never. Right?

Right. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. You are listening to the After Hours podcast. Here on After Hours, we like you as much as you like us. Hey, how are you doing? I'm good. First, I just want to thank you for and all your colleagues for keeping me busy while I work all night.

You're welcome. Hey, Amy, how's it going tonight? Great.

Good. I just started listening to you about a month ago. I'm a new night pharmacist. Hey, Amy, I really enjoy the enthusiasm you bring to the early morning hours. So nice to listen to someone this enthusiastic this early in the morning. How you doing, Amy?

I'm good. Thanks for putting on a good show every night. I listen to it at work. It really helps me get through the night. I appreciate that you're tuning in. Thank you.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Hearing a little bit of Lionel Richie reminds me of some of the sketchy and creepy suggestions for the name of the show back 10 years ago when we left it up to the listeners to determine the name or at least to submit their name suggestions. And boy, were there some off-color, very inappropriate names that were submitted. I still remember who it was that ended up naming the show or the name that we suggested. But that person will remain nameless. No, I don't know. His name was Mike.

I guess that really narrows it down, doesn't it? It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS porch radio. Now, here we are 10 years later and we've come full circle because Marco Belletti is back now. He only shows up now and then, but he's back working on the show the way that it was going all the way back to the weekends 2013. We together did Friday, Saturday, Sunday nights. No, not Sundays. We just did Friday and Saturday.

Friday and Saturday. Yeah. You did Sunday night. I wasn't here most of the time.

Okay. So we did Friday, Saturday, this same time slot, which was 11 P Pacific to a Eastern, but it was Friday and Saturday instead. And then I ended up moving to the five night a week gig. You, I don't know. I lost track of you.

No, I didn't really. But you were doing mornings, you were doing afternoons, you were doing the local station, you were doing news, you were back here every now and then. But also we had the updates removed from our show for the longest time.

Peter Schwartz had the first couple of years of us doing after hours in this time slot. And then he was taken away too. And we went from four to then three of us to then two of us. And now you're back. It's been a strange 10 years, huh? It definitely has. Would you have bet on 10 years when the network started? Be honest.

On the network being here? Yes, I probably would have. Now, I was optimistic going in. So I was, yeah, I was gung ho when we started this thing 10 years ago. Yeah, I really did think it was going to still be around. Did I think that you and I were still going to be doing the exact same time slot necessarily 10 years from now?

I'm in a different time slot, thank you very much. Fair. So am I actually. Yeah, so yeah, that I don't know.

I didn't know where everything was going to go, but I thought the network was going to be fine. This is year number nine for me on weeknights after hours or Sunday through Thursday nights, Friday through Monday through Friday mornings. And it's still never a dull moment. I mean, it changes every single week, every single month, every single year.

I do not know what will happen at the end of this contract. I sometimes waffle back and forth on how much longer I can do overnights. You actually have the benefit of being able to bounce all around, which sometimes makes you more tired, actually. But you don't stay on the overnights. Well, I mean, that's my shift five days a week, Monday through Friday. When are you ever here five nights a week? Come on. Most of the time.

No, no, I never see you five nights a week. Now, in fairness, I've only been full time now since the summer. The summer was a was a mess, which they knew that going in. So when I got hired, it was kind of like, look, it's going to be the Monday through Friday. However, over the summer, you're going to be bouncing around. OK, I mean, that's what I've been doing for 10 years.

So sure, no problem. And then when the holidays come up again, it's still what would be the best way to describe. I'm still kind of duct tape chaos. I'm I think that would be the best way to explain it. Like I'm duct tape.

I I'm the guy like it's not that it gets put together well, but duct tape usually keeps things together for a short period of time. Right. That's what I am. Now, see, I called myself the utility infielder for years because I would move all around whatever they need me to play. I would play, which is where I was at part time. That's I think it was it was like, hey, we can give you three hundred and fifty at bats. You're not going to get five hundred, but we plug the holes and you're decent.

Now, I think it's being full time. I think when I get shifted around, it's more of we need to fill something and fix it for a short period of time. We need you to move. You're the glue guy. Yeah, no glue.

Duct tape is a little glue is a little bit more binding. I'm more of, you know, just kind of you're getting you're here. Well, so for me, I was full time, so they had to give me all of the shows. And yet it was all over the place.

So a little bit nuts. But here we are. Ten years later, we have survived. Do you remember your first shift? Your first update? The first update? No, I know the first shift was the evening shift on January the third of 2013. So we launched that on the second. Yeah, I work whatever day that was Wednesday.

I have some somewhere during the week. I want to say that the next night was my first night. Why the second? I thought we launched on the first. But it was midnight.

I want to say on the second. We didn't launch on time. Right.

Yeah. So we launched like going into the next day. I want I want to say I work, you know, the day after it wasn't the first day I worked the day after that. I know it was middle of the week.

I didn't start until three days after the network had launched. My first show was that Friday night. I feel like you were your day off was like Wednesday, Thursday, which is why you didn't start there. I feel like I was in for you on Thursday. I think that's I think that's how it worked out.

You were that was your days off and I was in for you. Well, my first three nights, though, were shows. Right.

Right. So I did shows Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then depending on how the week looked, I would do updates sometimes on Monday and Tuesday or I would not. I would host for Pharrell. I'd host for Gottlieb.

I'd host for whoever else was out. Which is why I think we launched on a Wednesday, because those are your days off. Wednesday, Thursday. Wednesday, Thursday were my typical days off. And I was here on Thursday in your spot.

I think that's where it started for me. So we finally have the results of the Christmas Mason Jar M&M contest. And initially we were going to award three pieces of After Hours swag. Jay tells me that two listeners actually hit the number head on. And those two listeners are whom and how many M&Ms were there in the Christmas Mason Jar, Jay?

Are you ready? Two hundred and seventy two M&Ms was the total. OK, and who hit it directly? We had two people nail the exact total. It was Anthony Lewis and Jeff Foster. Jeff and Anthony, congratulations on guessing two hundred and seventy two M&Ms. Have you reached out to Jeff and Anthony?

I have not yet because we just calculated this finish. But if they're listening, they expect they are both... Did we just calculate this? Because I feel like this was something we were going to do long before Christmas. Well, we went over what happened. Things, life gets in the way. Oh, yes. Yeah, they are both...

If you want something done well, you got to do it yourself. They were both Facebook people. So look for a message.

What's that called? A Facebook messenger? A reply. Don't activate our messenger on our page. Well, I use my personal. Use your personal all you want to message people, but don't use our page because why have them turned off for a reason?

I'm sure we have millions of Facebook messages, but I will never look at them. OK, so we've got Anthony, we've got Jeff who guessed two hundred seventy two M&Ms. And then Jay tells me we had three people who were within one M&M.

Yes. So we had no one guessed 271. We had three people guess 273. It was John, Donald and Sparky. Huh? How close did I get to remember? Yeah, you were at 242. Oh, you were pretty close about it all.

So congratulations to our five winners. I'm going to have to save up my pennies until I have enough money for postage. But once Jay. Well, you're going to have to respond if Jay doesn't.

If you don't hear from Jay, then something's wrong. Are they all men? Yeah, actually. Wow. OK, so we have five male listeners who ended up within one M&M.

We could just send you the M&Ms if you like. But I know you're expecting after-hours swag. What are the chances that those five men wear the after-hours swag?

I would hope a hundred. Do you wear your after-hours swag? Almost nightly. Do you know that you are not a good liar? Have I ever told you that? I'm not lying here.

Very accurate. Nothing falls about what I said. I'm not lying. OK. So, yes, happy 10 years to Marco Boletti. And congratulations to those of you M&M guessers who were really close.

And now I feel like we finally can put that to bed and send you your swag. You are listening to the After Hours Podcast. 3rd and 4 for the Colts 48. Falls in a shotgun. Three receivers right. McLeod comes on a corner blitz. Falls is back sacked by Thibodeau at the 39-yard line.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. It was a critical moment for the New York Giants. It was a critical moment for the New York Giants in their game against the Colts which turned out to be a clincher for them.

They lock up the playoff spot for the first time since 2016. What you do not hear in that play-by-play from Bob Papa on Giants radio is that Kayvon Thibodeau then remained down on the field and proceeded to do, I don't know, 12, 15, 20 snow angels. Next to a Nick Foles who was writhing in pain. That was the play that knocked Nick Foles out of the game. And so there was this kind of stark image and video of Thibodeau celebrating and having a grand old time. Enjoying his moment next to a Nick Foles who like literally was unable to lie still because of the pain that he was in.

Now he eventually got up and walked off. He has had a rib injury, has a rib injury, needed the cart to get into the locker room. And there was a lot of talk about the actions of Kayvon and whether or not it was tasteless or whether or not it was taunting or showing up an opponent. Certainly it's been a debate. Now it kind of got tabled behind this conversation about DeMar Hamlin and the NFL moving forward.

The war of words, so to speak, has not ended though. So going back to Monday, Jeff Saturday, former offensive lineman, he was quick to jump to his quarterback's defense, but also tell Kayvon Thibodeau and the world what he thought of those snow angels. Tasteless from the celebration afterwards. Just, you know, trash. Not a fan of it at all.

And disappointed from the O-line perspective and for teammates in general. We protect our own, man. I mean, y'all know me, man. I've been here a long time. So I'm just going to tread lightly.

Obviously, I didn't like it at all. And that's where I'll leave it. So after hearing what Jeff Saturday had to say, the next opportunity that the media had to connect with Kayvon, they're asking him about this pushback from Jeff Saturday. Now, initially, he's responding to the criticism.

Before he takes aim at Saturday, he's just responding in general to people who are coming down on him for the celebration next to a quarterback who's clearly hurt. Who's the gatekeeper of when to do something? So once we figure out who the gatekeeper is, then we can write the rules and then we can establish, you know, the narratives and things like that. But until, you know, you guys actually are in the sport and do it and be in that moment, you can't create a narrative on it. Well, we're not creating a narrative on it. The guy, the other team's coach had a problem and he's the guy who played the game.

The other two players had a problem. I just don't know who, like anybody who commented on it, unless I know who they are, doesn't really affect me. Oh, OK. So if someone inside the NFL makes a comment, but you don't happen to know who they are personally, I think that's more about you than it is about Jeff Saturday.

Anyway, he he kind of uses that as a shot. I think that's a fairly common way to insult people is who? I don't know who he is there. I don't know.

Producer J. Do you believe him? Because I don't actually believe that he doesn't know who the coach is of the other team.

No, he knows who Jeff Saturday is. The rookie linebacker who then goes on to say that and he repeated this Wednesday, but he had said it going back to Sunday. He didn't realize Nick Foles was injured while he was doing the snow angels or later when he was doing the whole Steph Curry celebration, where you put your opponents to sleep with kind of a knockout blow. And that, to me, was the one that stood out.

Now, I didn't love the snow angels. I thought it was a relatively odd dichotomy to see the two next to each other. And I was worried about Nick Foles because it almost looked like he couldn't control his his bodily functions, that he was a little bit like a Tua. Now, his was a head injury. Remember when his his hands were clenched and he couldn't open up his hands and he had lost in that moment muscle control. It seemed that way with Nick Foles because his hands are right above his chest and he's he's kind of tweaking in pain and writhing in pain.

And there's Kayvon Thibodeau, who's doing snow angels next to him. So I didn't love that part. But then when I saw him do the Steph Curry night night celebration, that to me almost seemed even more tasteless. So maybe he doesn't realize that Nick Foles is lying next to him on the ground. OK.

But by the time you get up and you recognize that there's medical people, medical personnel attending to Nick Foles, that he has to be helped off the field and there's a cart that's coming to get him and you're doing the put him to sleep. That to me felt a little bit more trashy and tasteless. I don't love to use the word trash. I hate when sports fans call athletes trash or teams trash. I think that's something I delete off of my Facebook page or I block on Twitter because we as human beings should never call other human beings trash.

That's that's gross and disgusting and rude. So in this particular case, I don't love the use of the word by Jeff Saturday, but I do think tasteless is appropriate. I do think him celebrating while a competitor is hurt becomes even more in focus this week. Could you imagine, for the sake of argument, if someone from the Bengals had been celebrating that first down and all excited about it? Meanwhile, DeMar Hamlin is falling backward and is seriously hurt. So, yeah, sometimes better to know what's happening around you.

It's after hours on CBS Sports Radio. When you need to know what's happening, it's time to get in the huddle. You're fraudulent. You're not in the business of winning football games. You're in the business of trying to prove your own asinine decisions correct. We can talk about the hearsay thing. Do I think the Saturday thing is the biggest joke in the history of the NFL?

I do. But at least he was to say this ain't working for me. I don't care that I just gave him extensions. Listen to in the huddle available on the Aussie app or wherever you get your podcast.

When you need to know what's happening, it's it's it's it's time to get in the huddle. You're fraudulent. You're not in the business of winning football games. You're in the business of trying to prove your own asinine decisions.

Correct. We can talk about the hearsay thing. Do I think the Saturday thing is the biggest joke in the history of the NFL?

I do. But at least he was to say this ain't working for me. I don't care that I just gave him extensions. Listen to in the huddle available on the Aussie app or wherever you get your podcast.

When you need to know what's happening, it's it's it's it's time to get in the huddle. You're fraudulent. You're not in the business of winning football games. You're in the business of trying to prove your own asinine decisions.

Correct. We can talk about the hearsay thing. Do I think the Saturday thing is the biggest joke in the history of the NFL? I do. But at least he was to say this ain't working for me.

I don't care that I just gave him extensions. Listen to in the huddle available on the Aussie app or wherever you get your podcast.