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ELECTION VICTORY: Huge Win for Trump

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November 15, 2023 1:16 pm

ELECTION VICTORY: Huge Win for Trump

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November 15, 2023 1:16 pm

A Michigan judge just threw out a 14th Amendment (“disqualification” clause) case against President Trump (in which the ACLJ had filed an amicus brief on behalf of seven state GOPs) – a win for voting rights. The Sekulow team discusses the ACLJ’s fight to preserve voting rights in multiple states, President Biden’s upcoming meeting with China – and much more – on today’s show.


Breaking news today on Sekulow as a huge election win for President Trump.

The ACLJ was engaged on behalf of seven states. Keeping you informed and engaged. Now more than ever, this is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow.

Alright, welcome to Sekulow. We have another victory to report in these cases trying to utilize the 14th amendment to remove President Trump in his reelection efforts from the ballot. The primary ballot and the general election ballot.

So if you did even write him in, your vote would not be counted. This latest win comes out of Michigan. We filed a major amicus brief. We represented Republican parties of seven states. The Michigan Republican Party, the Oklahoma Republican Party, the Colorado Republican Party, the West Virginia Republican Party, Kansas Republican Party, North Dakota's Republican Party, and Delaware's Republican Party. In Oklahoma, we've already gotten a win.

That is also the case in Minnesota. We have attorneys making their closing arguments today in Colorado. We are still active right now in West Virginia and we are in the intervention process in the Commonwealth of Virginia fighting back to ensure that you're right to vote for the candidate of your choice in the primary and general election. Dad, what we're seeing across the country is a lot of victories, but it would only take one of these court cases. We're watching that one in Colorado very closely to move it to the next level. Well, I think, look, the Colorado case, our team did a great job, let me say that, led by Jane Raskin. But I will say this also, that judge seemed pretty predetermined where this was going to go and she was going to rule in favor of the secretary of state having the authority to remove the former President from the ballot.

This sets a terrible electoral precedent. We would then take it to the Colorado Court of Appeals and ultimately to the Colorado Supreme Court. I actually think the Colorado case is the case that will end up at the U.S. Supreme Court. I think there will be one case that ends up at the U.S. Supreme Court and it will likely be the case where our side loses. If we win, I think the court's less likely to take it. If we lose and a court decision stands that says, in essence, that an elected official or appointed official in some state, the board of elections or the supervisors or the secretary of state, can remove a duly authorized Presidential candidate on their own accord would be a horrible precedent. I think we'd have an overwhelming victory at the Supreme Court. So I think Colorado, keep your eye on that one.

That's the one I think is going to the Supreme Court. You don't think it necessarily takes a split because in Colorado, if they did it there, it would affect every other state's voting. If you were voting for Donald Trump in a different state, it would affect your vote because your vote would be watered down.

That's exactly right. It's a dilution of vote for the other states. And that's why when we're representing multiple states, as you said in the brief in the case in Michigan where we're representing the Michigan Republican Party, Oklahoma, Colorado, West Virginia, Kansas, North Dakota, Delaware. That's very important because we're sending a more of a national signal that this issue is significant. It's significant for the country.

It's probably the most important election integrity case in the United States right now and the ACLJ front and center on that. And we will continue to work. We've got a jam-packed show. We're going to be joined by, by the way, former Israeli ambassador of the United States and current member of the Knesset and chairman of the World Likud, Danny Danone, will be calling into the broadcast today to give an update on what's happening there. At the same time, we've got a lot of activity going on. Rick Grinnell is going to join us later. We'll be taking your calls at 800-684-3110. We'll have more on this huge win in Michigan, but also we're going to have more, of course, on the situation in Israel.

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That's 1-800-684-311Z. So you've seen wins in Oklahoma. You've seen wins in Minnesota.

We have now won in Michigan, where we represented not just the Michigan Republican Party, but Oklahoma, Colorado, West Virginia, Kansas, North Dakota, and Delaware's Republican Parties. And in that case, the judge very clear the Michigan Court of Claims Judge James Redford said in his decision Tuesday that questions about Trump's role in the January 6th insurrection and whether it's constitutionally bars him from returning to the White House should be addressed by elected representatives in Congress. It's a political question that should not be decided by the judicial branch. So we should not have judges decide picking and choosing who gets to be on the ballot.

That's exactly the right case. And of course, no actions on insurrection as insurrection has been raised. There's been no charges on the Insurrection Act.

There's been no allegations on that. So that's very, very interesting. Harry Hutchinson, our Director of Policy, a law professor, has also reviewed the opinion. Professor Hutchinson, your view of what we have here? Two conclusions surface from the Michigan Court of Claims decision denying declaratory relief in this particular case. First, the argument for Trump's disqualification is not yet ripe at this particular period of time.

Why? Because of the existence of several distinct contingencies. And so here the Michigan Court of Claims relies on the Minnesota decision. Second, as Jordan points out, the court relies on the political question doctrine to bar declaratory relief sought by the plaintiffs. And here the Michigan Court relies on the New Hampshire case. So you want to avoid political chaos.

And I would argue that President Trump's political opponents, they love chaos. But if we focus initially on the ripeness argument, the court offers five distinct counterarguments for purposes of denying relief. First, it's up to the political parties to decide the nominee for President. And so whether or not Trump is selected as the Republican Party nominee is highly contingent, the court suggests, on outside factors.

How strong are his opponents, for instance? Third, whether or not a candidate is placed on a Presidential primary ballot does not mean that the candidate is necessarily eligible for office. So in some respects, the court is deferring the decision with respect to the general election. And then fourth, if Donald Trump is indeed selected as the nominee, he must still win what?

The general election. That's a contingency. And fifth, even if Section 3 of the 14th Amendment applies, and I think the judge doubts that, Congress still has the potential role of intervening to remove any disqualification. So at the end of the day, this particular case is not yet ripe. And in addition to that, we still have the political question doctrine outstanding.

I think it's huge here. I mean, the idea that a judge or a secretary of state could make this call is outrageous. Now, I think we're going to get the contrary conclusion, though, Harry, in Colorado. I think that is probably correct.

We're trying it right now. And I would also keep my eye on Michigan, because as the general election looms, it would not surprise me if the secretary of state actually does, in fact, intervene on behalf of these particular plaintiffs to remove Donald Trump from office. And then narrow the window for an appeal of that particular decision.

Here's what I think is going to happen, Jordan. And I think the Colorado case is going to move very quickly, because if the judge rules that he does not appear on the column, that they could remove him from the primary ballot. When's the Colorado primary?

I think it's March. Yeah, so you've got to start printing those ballots by the beginning of the year, at least. So that means you've got to have a final adjudication, you know, a couple weeks before, at least.

Oh, at least. So I think it's conceivable that we have a case that's bouncing around the Supreme Court in January in Colorado. I think it's going to move that quickly. Yeah, I mean, there's 28 of these actions across the country. Right now, most of them are being dismissed pretty quickly. But this one in Colorado is moving forward very rapidly to conclusion at the district court level.

I mean, this is the one we're going to see, the first decision from a judge after a full trial. I mean, we saw, again, two have been dismissed. Michigan, actually four have been dismissed. New Hampshire, Michigan, Minnesota, and Florida. There's been voluntary dismissals by the plaintiffs in Maine, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, and Idaho. But still pending Alaska, Montana, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, where we're in, New Mexico, Texas, Kansas, Wisconsin, South Carolina, of course, Virginia we've talked about. West Virginia we're involved in.

New York, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Delaware. So, I mean, there's still a lot of states at play here that have to come to a conclusion very soon so that the ballots for the primary are printed correctly. Yeah, so it's interesting.

We've got a comment that came in on YouTube. It's a really poignant question, and that is this. I'm concerned that the Supreme Court won't take up the case letting the states decide. So here's the question.

I mean, it's a very good question. I think they have to take, well, if Trump wins and the Republican Party wins that they put up whoever they want that meets the otherwise qualifications, I don't think the Supreme Court has to engage it because there's no harm at that point. But if, let's say, Colorado goes against us, which, again, is my thought that it probably does, I think, Harry, they have to take it. Because if not, it's going to affect, that one state could have impact for the entire other 49 states.

Absolutely. And that is particularly true with respect to the primary process because even if we're talking about a blue state jurisdiction, which is, let's say, more likely to select Biden in a general election, Trump has been affected and the right of the voters in those blue states have been affected in helping to select the nominee, for instance, for the Republican Party. So I believe the Supreme Court would need to intervene to the extent that any local jurisdiction, that is the state jurisdiction, rules against Donald Trump's candidacy. This is interesting with Colorado. So the primary is March 5th, is the 2024 Colorado Presidential primary. But the military ballots have to be printed in early December in Colorado. So this thing really is on a short fuse. I mean, I think we're at the Supreme Court on that case in a matter of weeks, not months.

I really do. I think the judge is going to rule by early December and it'll go to the Colorado Court of Appeals and they may sit on it. We may move for an expedited.

They may do nothing. Then we may have to take it up on an emergency basis to the U.S. Supreme Court. I think that is the case to keep your eye on right now.

I mean, Michigan, too, but is going to be Colorado because I think I'm expecting an adverse decision there. But overall, we're getting great decisions. But one state could impact the election significantly. Yeah, I mean, significant. I mean, really.

Yes. And so that's why, again, this has to be ultimately decided. You can't have one state that's going to say in this state, Donald Trump's not going to be counted. But in the other 49 states he is because then he's automatically down a state even in a situation where he might have won that state. That might be a state he could win.

It's interesting. We just got this from the Colorado judge because we're in court right now in the hearing. The Colorado judge said she wanted it decided before Thanksgiving. So it should be decided next week, if not by the end of this week.

Well, it makes sense if the ballots have to be printed early December for the military. I think, look, folks, so what does this mean? This means that in the middle of handling all of the issues we're handling at the United Nations and at the international courts on the Israel and negotiated for the hostage release, we've got a Supreme Court case that is simmering right now on low simmer about to go to medium simmer and probably by the end of Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving a full simmer. What does this mean?

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And we've got, listen, we were on that already this morning, CC Helena. We're on an early morning Zoom call with lawyers from all over the world that are working on this and the team we put together for this. We're also continuing to fight for your voting rights because that's what's at stake here. We had the 14th Amendment win last night.

We had that massive win in Michigan, as we talked about. I'm concerned about the case that's going on in Colorado, so I think that's going to be the Supreme Court case. And we're in Colorado today fighting that out, by the way. This past week we took action at the UN to free hostages representing four families. I'm being told by our team in Israel that by Sunday that's probably going to be another 30 or 40. They're meeting with them in groups.

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Welcome back to Sekio. We are joined by a very special guest, former ambassador to the United States and to the United Nations, Danny Denone. He currently serves as a member of the Knesset.

He also is the chairman of World Likud and again, served as Israel's 17th permanent representative to the United Nations. So understands what goes on domestically inside Israel, but also how Israel is treated around the world internationally. Ambassador, it's great to have you. Danny, always good to talk with you.

I wanted to start with this. I want to get your assessment on where things are as you see it right now. I know that there's an operation going on at the hospital in Gaza, strategic and precise. What's your sense of where things are right now?

Thank you, Jay and Jordan, for having me and thank you for spending with Israel. We are in the middle of the war. We are fighting in Gaza. We're dealing with a very vicious and evil enemy. They are hiding behind the hospital, behind civilians and we are moving.

We are moving slowly, though, because we want to minimize the casualties to our forces and to civilians and they are trying to maximize. They know that we will win. They know that we will defeat them. But they are trying to make sure that we will pay a price and we're trying to make sure we are not paying a heavy price. But we expect the international community, including the U.S., to stand with us and not to push us for a ceasefire.

I don't get it. Why do we need to ceasefire after what happened to us? The U.S. never spoke about a ceasefire when you attack ISIS and al-Qaeda. So we are continuing with the war and we are moving slowly, but we are determined to finish the job this time. Danny, I know there's a lot of needs going on right now and one of them is financial and our government affairs office is working on that on Capitol Hill right now. Militarily, I mean, it sounds like Israel is stretched pretty thin right now and I know that assistance, global assistance, is critical.

Indeed. You know, we're also fighting in the north with Hezbollah. The Houthis in Yemen are sending rockets to our southern border. So we feel under attack. But at the same time, we are strong. We know that we are the support of our allies. And I actually want to thank you, Jay, for organizing missions coming to Israel now.

That's what we need. We need people to support us, to stand with us, to pray for us, and we will prevail at the end. But, you know, it's really hard because it's not a war that you fight a real army. I sit in many committees in the Knesset, the Foreign Affairs and Defense, and, you know, I know the details. It's very complicated when you fight a terrorist organization who is hiding behind civilians. It's much easier to fight an army, a military. It's sophisticated, complicated, but we have no choice.

So we have to do what we have to do. You know, Ambassador Danone, the footage put out by the IDF, kind of put to rest in much of the media, even though they don't love to accept it, how Hamas was operating underneath hospitals throughout Gaza. And you saw weapons left over, lots of equipment left over, and people saw those images. And, of course, the world that doesn't want to accept it says, oh, that was just Israel putting that up as propaganda. But people, you know, thinking people realize that what the IDF has been saying and Israel has been saying is true is that these hospitals, this is how disgusting Hamas operates. They put their bases, they put their weaponry underneath active hospitals to make it that much more difficult for Israel and the soldiers who go in there to attack those Hamas operatives who are hiding behind sick people.

It's more than that, Jordan. It's not only that they built the headquarters beneath the hospitals. We know for a fact that those terrorists who came into our communities, butchered innocent families, raped innocent women, and kidnapped 240 Israelis, when they came back to Gaza, they went to those hospitals.

We know that. And they took hostages into the hospitals. So that's why we are now operating in the hospitals.

It's challenging, but we completed the operation in the Shifa hospital. And we will continue to do whatever is necessary to make sure we bring back all the hostages that were kidnapped by Hamas. I mean, Danny, as you know, we're representing a number of the families.

We had them here in the United States. We had them on Capitol Hill. We had meetings with former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

I mean, we've been hosting the families. I'm heading over to Brussels to work with the EU. But you mentioned the fact that support in Israel, delegations in Israel right now, you think is the next step of importance, correct?

Absolutely. So last week, I hosted the Prime Minister Johnson, Boris Johnson from the UK, and the former Prime Minister of Scotland, Thomas Johnson from Australia. And it's important, first of all, for the people of Israel, when they see that people are here, standing with them, support us when we are fighting. And also when people go back home, they tell the story. They meet the families of the hostages. They meet the victim's family. I think it's very important for dignitaries to come and stand with us at this crucial moment.

Let me ask you this also. This war is, unlike the Six-Day War, is going to take time. But Hamas has to be rooted out once and for all and eliminated as a threat to Israel.

Absolutely. You know, in 2014, you know, I know you for many years, you and Jordan and your beautiful family. 2014, I was deputy minister of defense, and I had an argument with the prime minister about a ceasefire that Secretary Kerry forced Israel to sign.

I told him, don't do it. It will be hectic in the future. We have to fight now and eliminate Hamas. Unfortunately, you know, the pressure from the U.S. was so strong, and we didn't do what we had to do in 2014. And today we are facing a stronger enemy. We see the number of victims we have to pay. But today is very left and right, all united. But we have no choice.

It's either us or them. Very good. Ambassador Danny Non, Danny, thanks for being with us. Ambassador, thank you for all the work you're doing. We look forward to seeing you. And you know you have our full support, and we will continue to do everything we can to support Israel and the hostages. Thanks for being with us today. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Yeah, I think what Ambassador Donon hit on that too was the need. It's not so much what's going on in Gaza, but the potential for other fronts to open up in this war. And so many of the resources are focusing in on the Gaza Strip, and they've been doing a good job. But again, it's meticulous.

It is slow moving. But then if Hezbollah does jump in, you've got a very different situation. And they've got GPS rocket, you know, powered rockets that can- We've been there for that.

It's very difficult. Carry out much more aggressive action throughout the nation of Israel, long range rockets as well. And they've also got enemies right to the east, right on the border with Syria.

Let me say this also. We are looking at now, with our hostage situation, going to Brussels to deal with that at the European Union there, and the European Parliament, and the Council of Europe. We're looking at Strasbourg and Paris also as part of this delegation going over in early December. We're putting together- the ICC stuff, Jordan, is starting. Governments are starting to, especially the ones that lean towards Hamas, are starting to make the rumblings at the ICC. We were very successful in 2008 and 2009 by putting together an international symposium for lawyers. We worked with the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs of lawyers to handle these cases globally.

We are going to do the preliminary work on that, possibly in Strasbourg as early as mid-December or even earlier. This is the kind of work that's going on. While we have all this going on over here, and our government affairs office in the United States is working with our team at the ECLJ, folks, none of this happens without you. None of this.

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That's 1-800-684-3110. We've talked a lot about what is going on in Israel. We've talked a lot about these 14th Amendment cases.

Let me update you again if you just joined us while Ambassador Danone was on talking about Israel. In Michigan, we have one that has been tossed by the judge there. We represented Michigan's GOP plus six other GOPs.

Oklahoma, Colorado, West Virginia, Kansas, North Dakota, and Delaware. And the judge there said this is not for the judiciary. This is a political question for Congress.

Judges don't have a role in deciding who gets to be on the ballot. We're making closing arguments in Colorado today. The judge there said she expects the decision will be before Thanksgiving. That could be by the end of this week.

That could be early next week. I think we could be in the Supreme Court in that case in December. And it has to be because of military ballots and there's appeals there. This is the initial court, so there's got to be an appellate phase there. And you've got to have time to get those military ballots printed early.

The people who request absentee ballots, you've got to get all of those printed. So you've got that going on. You've got, of course, the situation in Israel going on as well. But internationally, Rick Grenell is about to join us because right now as we speak, you've got President Biden in California. It's unusual actually to see President Xi from China making moves all the way to the U.S., but they're holding meetings in San Francisco. Yep, that's going to be very interesting.

We'll get some intake on that. We've got a question that came in on YouTube I want to get to. Why did Hamas attack Israel? Hasn't there been peace there for years? What changed to cause this? There has not been peace there for years. There's been less engagement. But this was a buildup, folks. They've been planning this attack for two years.

Why? Because their charter, the Hamas charter. Let me be clear on this. The Hamas charter calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Can it be any clearer? It's in their charter in writing. It calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. That's it.

So that's why that is. Let's go ahead and take a phone call. Joe's calling from New York. Joe, you're on the air. Thank you for taking my call and prayers for Israel and the hostages being held by Hamas.

Thank you, sir. My question is, if the U.S. Supreme Court rules against what Colorado is doing to President Trump, does that set a precedent for the other states hoping to derail President Trump? It sure would. It would be binding on all 50 states. It would be the end of the lit- Point frankly, Joe, it would be the end of the litigation. Yeah, this whole idea that this clause in the 14th Amendment would allow a secretary of state or a state actor to remove or not put someone or not count someone who's written in on a ballot because they think they've somehow violated a clause of the amendment. And I think it will be similar to what the judge did in Michigan, which said, this is a political question for Congress to decide. It's like impeachment. Congress has all of these roles that are kind of similar to courts.

And if they want to use them, they can. But if they decide not to, courts aren't going to step in and be the arbiters of political questions for them and start deciding who and who will not be put on ballots for Americans to choose to be either their nominee and ultimately to be their President of the United States. So that's why ultimately, unless none of these cases, and I still think that would be surprising, but if none of these cases were victorious for the other side to try and kick Trump off the ballot, that's the only way I see this not going to the Supreme Court. Yeah, then I'm going to sit in Colorado. No, it just seems like in Colorado you've got both a judge and a secretary of state saying, let's do this.

Yeah. I mean, it seems that way. It's going to be a Supreme Court case. Again, hopefully that judge is looking at what's going on all across the country and seeing a variety of judges coming out with different opinions about why they believe. We've got a great team out there, by the way, with Jane Raskin leading it up as our special counsel, who I've worked with for years, and so has Jordan. She's on our team now, and so I'm not losing hope in that case.

I'm just trying to be realistic. Folks, we're taking a break when we come back. We've got a lot more to discuss. We've got some major moves. Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us and CeCe Heil in the last segment because we've got major moves at the United Nations.

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All right, welcome back to CeCe Heil. We are taking your phone calls to 1-800-684-3110 if you've got questions about the money flowing to Iran. If you've got questions too about this meeting in California today by the Chinese President and President Joe Biden. We want to go to Rick Rinnell, a Senior Advisor for Foreign Policy. Also a political analyst for us here at the ACLJ. And Rick, first this meeting in California in San Francisco, which they cleaned the streets up for. So I guess, Chairman, she didn't see all of the people who are addicted to drugs and living on the streets.

I mean, you can see the before and after photos. But what do you think the significance is of this meeting? We don't see President Xi travel much outside of the region and China unless he's going to a place like Russia or Russia's coming to him. But this move to have this meeting in California.

Well, it makes sense. The Chinese consulate in San Francisco is where the Chinese do a lot of their messaging. It's their headquarters basically for the United States.

They're very successful in California, very successful in Northern California. You've seen some of the problems that we've had with politicians, California politicians in particular. Look, if you know the Chinese and how they negotiate, this deal is already done. There's no real time negotiation with the Chinese. All of this is done beforehand. Negotiations are completed. What you're just going to see now is more pomp and circumstance. It's going to be a situation where we'll release the agreement at the end of the trip. But make no mistake, all of the pre-stuff is where we've been doing the hard negotiations. What I expect is that there's just going to be a lot of talk on climate change. There won't be any mandates or specifics about enforcement. The Chinese will promise a lot. They won't be able to deliver, and we won't hold them to it. I'm anxious to see if we're going to talk about Taiwan, electric vehicles, or fentanyl. That'll be very interesting as well. Rick, we're getting a lot of calls coming in, and this is in your Arab expertise as well, and that is dealing with Iran.

The administration has released a hold, Remove to Freeze, on $10 billion. We've got a call coming in. I want to take Donna's call, and let's give Donna and the rest of our audience an answer. This is a big deal. I think this is a huge mistake. But Donna, go ahead.

Thank you, and thank you for all you do at ACLJ. I was just wanting to hear your input into what the added risk to Israel, because of the money being released, $10 billion, to Iran, and how the proxies will likely all have a piece of it. Well, look, on my view, and I'll get Rick's too, my view is money is fungible. So they could say it's being used for one thing, but then it frees up $10 billion with a B somewhere else. And that's the real problem here, is the utilization of this money and where it goes. And listen, all this regional fighting that you're seeing with the Houthis, with Hezbollah, with Hamas for that matter, is all funded by Iran, which now just got $10 billion of U.S.-sanctioned money released.

Yeah, Donna, let me tell you how bad it is. FBI Director Chris Wray testified this morning in a real panic situation. He said, look, I want to tell all these legislators here that I said last year that our border was open to Iranian nationals and Iranian-supported terrorists. He made a point this morning to say, look, it's not just Hamas that we're worried about.

I said last year, this is a classic CYA. He is panicking because he knows that this open border has released so many people on the terrorist watch list into our country. The FBI director is trying to say, I told you last year, but here's what the FBI director hasn't been doing. He hasn't been telling us on a daily basis, on a weekly basis. His focus has not been on terrorists from Iran or Hamas. His focus has been on Catholics at school board meetings and white supremacy.

This is a political FBI director, but this morning he was panicking to try to remind people that he did something last year. You know, Rick, I think to move on from this to these kind of bigger topics as well, the billions of dollars at a time when we know, and the U.S. government's been very clear about it, the Israeli government's been very clear about it, these proxies attacking Israel. And also, by the way, let's not forget, these proxies are attacking U.S. troops stationed in Syria and Iraq, and yet they have unfrozen $10 billion worth of resources so that Iraq can purchase Iranian oil. And again, so we've already got $6 billion, now another $10 billion. And again, we see what they do when they have these kind of resources. They use it to attack their enemies, and their enemies are our troops and Israel. And there's no question about it, the Biden administration for a very long time, from the very beginning of their tenure, they have trusted Iran, they've tried to bring Iran into the assembly of nations, they've wanted Iran to act more responsibly, they've given him money, they've trusted him, they've hired Iranian loyalists inside the U.S. government.

We see this as a pattern. You can't be surprised when you give money to Iran that it's not going to come back in the form of terrorism. This is such a basic principle, I do not understand why the Biden team continues to trust them. But remember too, the Houthis just took down our drone, a $35 million taxpayer-funded drone. This is the same group that the Biden administration took off the terrorist watch list because they thought they weren't doing terrorism anymore.

Now they're targeting us. Rick, I know there's an issue that you've wanted to talk about, you don't think is getting enough attention, and I'm not even sure a lot of our audience is getting a lot of attention to this because of what else is happening in the world. But the government in Spain is about to cave to the Catalayan region to potentially let them secede from Spain. Conservatives are for a unified Spain, there's tens of thousands protesting, but you think this huge story, and of course the ramifications it can have and repercussions it can have in Europe are huge, that there could be a break-off, I guess a new country, independent in Europe? Look, Spain has had a problem with this region that's trying to be autonomous and trying to peel away for a while, it's Catalonia. What has happened recently is that the socialist leader of Spain is doing so poorly in the polls that he has decided that he needs their vote in order to stay in office.

And so what he has done is announced that he's going to forgive all of the crimes that these individuals have created over the last years, serious crimes, he's going to suspend the rule of law, forgive them so that he gets their vote. My concern about this is that by giving in to them and wiping away their criminal activity, you are reviving the secessionists and their focus. Make no mistake, as soon as they get their records clean, they're going to come back and try to secede in Spain. President Trump saw this, he called it out, he said Spain should be united, and the problems largely quieted down when we had a very serious direct line from the President of the United States.

The Biden team has been largely silent. And so this socialist leader in Spain is doing everything he can to keep in power by forgiving a whole bunch of people who committed crimes against the state, terrorist activities, and now as soon as they're wiped clean, they're going to come back and try to secede from Spain. Make no mistake about it.

You know, Rick, I'm thinking about the work that we're engaged in and that you're helping us with around the globe. We started the day talking about that, we had the win in Michigan on the attempt to get Donald Trump off the ballot on the 14th Amendment issue. We've had a series, and we represented six state GOPs in that one. We've had a whole series of those cases, we won in Oklahoma. But now we know the one in Colorado where my colleague, our colleague Jane Raskin is there today, finishing up that argument. The judge is going to issue a decision by Thanksgiving.

Now, I'm not optimistic about that one. I think she may say they can pull them off, which means we're going to be fast-tracking that to the Supreme Court of the United States while we've got negotiations going on for hostages in Gaza right now. So we've got all of this work going on simultaneously, and there's multiple things you have to juggle at the same time. But all of these are important for the United States of America, every one of those. Every one of those are important, and I would also say, Jay, is there are not a lot of people focusing on some of these. We need to be able to have ACLJ team wide and focused, which means we need help. We need people to understand that when you participate with the ACLJ, when you spread the word, maybe if you can't give money, maybe you just talk about our issues publicly and spread the word.

We need the help because our team together can manage it and be on the front lines fighting for these issues. Thanks, Rick. Rick, as always, we appreciate all of your insight in some of these issues that aren't even being really touched on in the U.S., but need to be because they have huge ramifications.

Oh, giant. For foreign policy, huge. Folks, this is the reason. Look at the team of the ACLJ. We talked about Rick Rinnell, Jay Raskin, a well-known lawyer, Mike Pompeo, Tulsi Gabbard, I mean, on the list goes. And just because you're a supporter of the ACLJ, we're in that matching challenge, the ACLJ Faith and Freedom Drive. Now more than ever was our theme a couple of years ago.

It's true still today. Go to forward slash faith and freedom. And if you can make it a monthly gift, folks, I just did the math, we could see our revenue increase significantly. I mean, we can empower a whole new group of lawyers and government affairs people just by the ACLJ champions. You'd play that big of a role if you can make that a monthly gift, Back with the last segment in just a moment. All right, welcome back to Sekio. A lot to talk about.

Of course, we'll take your calls too if you call now 1-800-684-3110 and to cover during these weeks all over the country as well. But there is, of course, action that we are taking too at the United Nations on behalf of these hostages. Unfortunately, we've heard reports, multiple reports were floating around yesterday about whether or not there'd be a multi-day ceasefire to get these hostages removed.

And that kind of, haven't heard much about that the next day. There were some hopes that some of these hostages would be found in these underground tunnels underneath hospitals so far. Remnants of hostages being there have been found, but hostages themselves have not been found. In fact, yesterday we heard, unfortunately, that a hostage who was 19 and in the IDF was killed by, appears to be Hamas. They're trying to blame it on Israel, but no one is buying that. We also know that a hostage in custody, a woman that was in custody who was pregnant gave birth to her child yesterday in Gaza.

We don't know the status of the mother or the child, but the horror of this you cannot even imagine. I will say this, the European Union and our team at the European Center for Law and Justice have been working on this, condemned all of the member states, condemned Hamas's utilization of hospitals as launching sites. Those are big announcements, folks, because they were always reluctant before, and now the evidence is pointing to it.

So that's a positive, positive statement. Now, there's going to be, we just did the big round of US hostages in the United States. We're now moving that operation to Europe, and we'll be heading over there. But before we do that, we need to tell you what's going on at the UN. Now, we've got four filings that we've done so far, and there's going to be many more. In fact, our lawyers in Israel are meeting with 30 or 40 hostage families Sunday to get them signed up, and you'll be doing those filings in the next week's EC's little probability? Yes, so we've filed, we've submitted communications to the working group on enforced or involuntary disappearances. And so that is a working group under the United Nations that actually has to investigate and requires the forces that have abducted people to provide information to them, which then they kind of act as the liaison between the family members and these groups. Of course, do we expect Hamas to abide by any rules or law?

No, we do not. I mean, we see that they violate the law of armed conflict by using hospitals as a military base. So, you know, we're not very hopeful that Hamas will do the right thing, but absolutely. But it does put the United Nations in a vice. When they want to do their pro-Hamas thing, you remind them, hey, we filed 100, hopefully 120, applications to your committee, and Hamas won't even respond to you. So that's what they think of you, United Nations. By the way, it's not just Israel saying these hospitals are utilized. The Biden administration is saying that as well. This is what John Kirby said.

Take a listen. I can confirm for you that we have information that Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad use some hospitals in the Gaza Strip, including Al-Shifa, and tunnels underneath them to conceal and to support their military operations and to hold hostages. They have stored weapons there, and they're prepared to respond to an Israeli military operation against that facility. And that is a direct violation of the Geneva Convention.

It's a direct violation of the international law of armed conflict. They're not allowed to do this. Everybody knows they're doing it now.

There is no secret. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. You've got now the U.S. backing up Israel 100% and saying it's clear that they are using these tunnels underneath hospitals. And that is about as gross of a violation of human rights violations and the law of war as you can get.

But again, I think that this is the issue is that these crazed supporters of the Palestinian resistance or whatever they want to call liberation, they just ignore all this and say, oh, this is propaganda from the West. They now don't trust Joe Biden. He's no good anymore.

So John Kirby gets up there. He says it. Oh, that can't be true. They're making it up. They literally show you video of it. Oh, that's got to be fake.

That can't be real. And even the media had to say, to some extent, mainstream media in America says, you know, so-called like they will not accept any of this as fact. They still want to hold out hope. What, that Hamas isn't actually doing this? I mean, how many more State Department officials are going to sign on to another dissent cable after Kirby said that? Well, that's exactly right.

There you got 1,500. But it is putting the international community, CC, in real notice here. And we've got an operation we're working on right now in Europe that will include Brussels, probably Paris and Strasbourg over about a 10-day period to move on the hostage, assuming the hostages aren't released by then. My prayer is that those trips get canceled and the hostages are released. But if that doesn't happen, we're already preparing.

We were on a conference call this morning, a Zoom call with lawyers all over the world putting this together because that's the next phase of this. Right. International pressure needs to be hot and remain on Hamas. And we have seen, like you just said, the EU has come out and condemned Hamas for using a hospital as a military base, which is illegal. And we need those kind of condemnations internationally, publicly, to remain. Hamas cannot continue to use the media to spin their cause, which they always do. We need direct international condemnation of Hamas's action and force them to release those hostages. You know, the other aspect, and that includes the military actions, will help on that forcing, too. So the fact that they've engaged in Gaza like this.

But there's another element of this. The veneer of Hamas, even though these students are marching around like lunatics, and that's what they are because they have no idea what they're marching for. Clueless. Totally clueless. Hamas rapes and murders women.

They behead children. I mean, it's horrible. I'm not going to go through it.

I can't. And these students that are marching should be ashamed of themselves. And the parents of these students paying for their education should be ashamed of themselves. And these foundations that are donating money to these universities that will not speak out should be embarrassed. And be called out. Which is starting to happen, by the way. Okay. Law firms are saying, I'm not hiring law students from Harvard and Yale.

I'm not hiring law students from Columbia. Forget it. Go get a job someplace else. And then the smaller firms are going to do exactly the same thing and say, forget it. All of that to say, the pressure that has to go on in the next several weeks, these are short window of opportunities, is going to be dramatic for the ACLJ, the ECLJ, and all of our affiliates.

And we've got to coordinate a very, very aggressive schedule to get the kind of results that we need here. Yeah, that's right. Because if you don't and you let this kind of fester, we know which side carries the debt. And it's always the bad guys.

Because people forget about the bad things they did. They show you, look, our cities were destroyed. And they were. Most of their towns have been destroyed. Their streets have been destroyed.

I mean, and Gaza's been pretty much decimated for the most part. And they're going to say, you know what we need? Hundreds of millions of dollars from the UN to rebuild. And they'll take those hundreds of million dollars, they'll rebuild. And guess who they'll put back in power?

Hamas. So after they rebuild, they'll put in the terrorist group in power. And that terrorist group will then start factories to create weapons.

And we'll be back in another, I don't know if you call it that, what, like a ten year cycle? Where they basically rearm and reset up. And every time they do that, they take their level of weaponry up a level. And now that they've got Iran, which has got money to spend now, like 16 billion, they can rebuild their weapons a lot quicker. And we haven't even seen Hezbollah fully engage this yet. If Hezbollah did, we're talking about a very different conflict. And then you have the whole deep state inside the Biden administration going after Biden because he's supporting Israel. This is what's going on. Well, this is the problem if you're Republican or Democrat.

If you take a position different than them, they will put every bureaucratic piece of red tape in front of your ideas and your decisions that you have the right to make to slow them down so that they may not even get made by the time you leave office. All right, folks, we need your support at the halfway point for our November Faith and Freedom drive. Go to forward slash faith and freedom. Your support makes a huge difference.

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