MLB Hall of Fame Losing Its Luster? (Hour 2)

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So get started and download the free Odyssey app today. Alrighty, our number two of our radio program, Zach Gelb's show CBS Sports Radio. Eagles in the NFC title game up against the San Francisco 49ers coming up 20 minutes from now. Former Georgia linebacker now in his rookie season with the AGLES Eagles.

That of course is the Kobe Dean who will be stopping by in 20 minutes. We have a poll question for you today. Make sure you check in at Zach Gelb at CBS Sports Radio. Should the Packers trade Aaron Rodgers this offseason?

Yes or no? 90% say yes the Packers should trade Aaron Rodgers and there is a report out today from Shefty Adam Schefter of ESPN that the Packers will not be trading Aaron Rodgers within the NFC. They will explore the idea of trading the QB exclusively to the AFC that is per Adam Schefter.

And you have the AFC destinations, the ones that we speculated and talked about, the Jets, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Las Vegas with the Raiders, or maybe the Miami Dolphins are five destinations that come to mind. But first up, it is Tuesday in football season. Let's get to a little overreaction or proper reaction. Another NFL week is complete, which means it's another week to freak out about your favorite team. Which takes are truly crazy. But sometimes a game can be so bad, it's almost good. You know what I'm saying?

And which are so crazy, they might be right. He's 6'5", he's 245 pounds, he's probably a Popeye's biscuit away from being a tight end. Zach lets you know in this week's edition of overreaction or proper reaction. Maybe Stoner Sirianni instead of ordering that pizza hut and Little Caesar should maybe go get some Popeye's biscuits. I think that would be a lot more enjoyable than the trash pizza that he's devouring. I don't know, I think I would prefer a bad pizza over bad biscuits.

That's probably my guess take. Really? What are you no fun? Bad pizza is still good pizza. Did you say bad pizza is still good pizza?

Yeah, it's really hard to screw up and not enjoy and throw it away. Oh, I've had bad pizza. A lot of bad pizza. I've never had a bad biscuit.

Well, that's definitely easier to screw up. No, pizza you could really mess up. Like when I was in Minnesota for the Super Bowl, bad pizza. I've had some bad pizza when you're up late night and you have to order some pizza. Sirianni makes enough money, you can get good pizza and if you want to go with some of that other pizza, I'm good with the Popeye's biscuit if I was coach Sirianni.

That's just me. But whatever he's doing, whatever in the sauce for coach Sirianni, it's working because he's not one win away from going to the Super Bowl. Isn't this Doug Peterson happening all over again? When he was hired, Doug Peterson in Philadelphia, Mike Lombardi, and I can only say Mike Lombardi with hearing Jason Kelce say, some clown named Mike Lombardi said that Doug Peterson was the least qualified coaching hire ever in the history of the NFL. It's kind of similar takes when Nick Sirianni got hired.

It was like, who the heck is this guy? He's not qualified to be the head coach. I remember their first year last year, they got off to a horrible start. We did segments. They got to run the ball or get this guy out and fire him in the flower analogy, which was just horrible.

It didn't really resonate in Philadelphia. But then that team changed down the stretch and this year, they've been fantastic. With Jalen Hurts as a starter, they're 15-1 when Hurts starts games this year. And now they're one win away, 60 minutes away from going to a Super Bowl. Anyway, hot take Kiki.

What do you got for me today? All right, so we'll start the AFC title game. Patrick Mahomes taking on Joe Burrow. A lot of talk this week of who is the best quarterback because it's still Mahomes. Has Joe Burrow surpassed Mahomes? So I'll ask you, right now overreaction or proper action, Joe Burrow is the best quarterback right now in the NFL.

It's an overreaction and here's why. He needs to win a Super Bowl. Joe Burrow is, and I brought this up two weeks ago. He is on his way to taking the flag and planting the flag in the middle of an NFL field and saying, I'm the man.

I'm the captain now. I'm the best quarterback in the NFL. I don't care that he hasn't won an MVP and Mahomes about to win a second MVP. He has defeated Mahomes three times.

Three. If he beats him this time around, gets back to another Super Bowl and wins it, I think he starts to take the number one spot as the best quarterback in the NFL. But right now, Mahomes has been in the league longer. He's won a Super Bowl. He's been to another Super Bowl.

He's about to win a second MVP. I have to say Mahomes right now is the better quarterback. But it's very close and all Burrow needs to do is get two more wins. And I think he could say he's the best quarterback in football. All right, let's up the ante then a little bit with that question because there has been some takes this week of people saying the winner of this game between Chiefs and Bengals will have the best quarterback in the NFL. So if Joe Burrow and the Bengals do win this game, it would be two straight Super Bowl appearances for the Bengals. It would be two straight wins over the Chiefs in Arrowhead to get to the Super Bowl.

Wait, now hold on. Is that what they call it, Arrowhead? That's what they call it? Arrowhead, yeah.

You sure about that? Yes. What else do they call it? I heard some Bengals players after the game against Buffalo calling it Burrowhead.

Come on, you think I didn't know that they called it Arrowhead? Mike, Mike Hilton. Listen, there's confidence.

I love the confidence. Do we have that audio? Yes. Real quickly, this is after the game when the Bengals are talking to the Bills fans, just yelling at them and talking to the cameras too. This is Mike Hilton. Is this via NFL films, I'm assuming?

This is Mike Hilton talking to the cameras. We'll see y'all in Burrowhead. Yeah, baby. We'll see y'all in Burrowhead.

I like that. I've never heard anyone refer to it as Burrowhead from the Cincinnati Bengals, but I guess when you beat them three straight times, you could call it that. Yeah, the only thing I will say, they've only beaten them in Arrowhead once. Yeah, in the anti-title game last year. It's not like it's been two or three times. Yeah. Can you call it that after one time? That's fair.

I think it's just more so we own the Chiefs and it kind of just flows. So let's not get the facts, get in the way of a good nickname there, Hickey. Come on. I'm just asking. I love the confidence.

Again, I'm not trying to pour cold water on it. You're one of those number guys, one of those intelligent guys, one of those rats, one of those cockroaches on Twitter that just have to ruin all the fun. I'm just being realistic in terms of if there are three and 0, but most of it's been at home. I will say this. You better win the game. Oh, yeah. Because Joe Burrow, his confidence, he's the leader. He's the straw that stirs the drink there in Cincinnati. And when he pops off, it's one thing. It all starts to pop off.

Then you start to become really overconfident. And if you don't win this game this week with how much trash Eli Apple has done talking this week on Twitter, with also the amount of trash talking now that Mike Hilton's doing it, calling it Burrowhead, it's going to be a rough time for the Cincinnati Bengals. All right, let's talk about another big-time quarterback, Aaron Rodgers. Wait, you never asked me the question. We talked a lot about it enough, but okay. Just give me that. I got to give the answer.

Come on. As the winner of Sunday's AFC title game, Chiefs-Bills, that quarterback should be considered the best quarterback in the NFL. If Mahomes wins, then yes. But if Burrow wins, he still has to win another game and get to a Super Bowl. So for Mahomes, that's a proper reaction.

For Burrow, it's an overreaction because he still has to get one more win. Aaron Rodgers on the Packers, another year, more drama of the future between the two sides. There's now these reports and leaks that maybe the Packers will explore trade and will be open to trading Aaron Rodgers more than they ever have been before. There's a report from Adam Schefter saying they would exclusively trade Rodgers to only an AFC team. Overreaction or proper reaction? Aaron Rodgers will, will be traded this offseason.

That's a proper reaction, and that's the first time I've said it in three years. I think you're getting hints from the Packers, you're getting hints from Rodgers that they don't want this relationship to continue, and you have a good old-fashioned stare-off right now. Who wants to be the bad guy here? Who wants to be the bad partner here where you know the relationship is coming to the end, but you don't want to be the bad person here that says, we're done, we're finished, you want the other side to do it? I ultimately do believe that it's going to be the Packers that go to Rodgers and say, we explored, we got a good deal, we want to trade you. Would you approve this trade?

Would you not threaten to retire? You're good to go here, you're good to go there. That's what I think is going to go down. Tom Brady let out some rare fireworks on his Let's Go pod on Monday night as Jim Gray asked Tom the question everyone's been wondering.

Yeah, it was all fake. Tom, do you have any idea about your future in which Tom responded basically to clean it up? If I had an idea, I would have told everyone by now with a few F-bombs sprinkled in there as well. Overreaction to proper reaction, Tom Brady will retire this offseason. He did a good job there putting lipstick on a pig with those quotes and cleaning them up. Well, you know, Tom Brady's a potty mouth now, so he's not a very good influence for children.

So I'm going to try to be, you know, the mightier man here. What about the children? What about the children is right, Tom.

Terrible leader. You asked me, is Brady going to retire? Will retire.

Yeah, that's an overreaction. There is no shot he retires this offseason. I think he's coming back.

I think he's playing football in 2023. All right, we are down to four teams in the NFL, the Final Four, if you will. The Eagles, 49ers in the NFC, Chiefs and Bengals in the AFC. Overreaction or proper reaction, the Eagles are the best of the four remaining teams.

That's a proper reaction. We got the answer how healthy Jalen Hurts' shoulder was. That was the only thing holding people back heading into divisional round weekend.

It looked pretty damn good to me. They had the best regular season. I do think they're the best team in football. And I know San Francisco has a tremendous roster as well.

But Hurts is a better player than Brock Purdy. That's the difference at least in the NFC. In the AFC, I don't love that Chiefs defense. And I just think there's more names on the Eagles defense than the Bengals defense.

Even though the Bengals defense does an incredible job the last two postseasons. But I'll give the nod to Philadelphia as the best team remaining. Let's give the losers from the weekend a little bit of love. As we know, the Jaguars lost to the Chiefs. Giants lost to the Eagles. We had the Bills losing to the Bengals. And then the Nightcap Cowboys losing to the 49ers. Of those four losers from the weekend, the Dallas Cowboys have the bleakest future going forward.

Great question. You feel good about Jacksonville. Easy to vision. Great coach. Encouraging play from your quarterback. Buffalo, they're still always going to be in the mix. It's just can they get to the top of the mountain. So they're good. The Giants.

I like their culture. They need a lot of talent. But if they miss the playoffs next year, I don't think it's like, oh the Giants are screwed.

Just as long as you're fighting for a playoff spot in the final week or two of the season. Yeah, I'll say it's the Cowboys because they committed the big money to Dak. He's not all that. Zeke, we'll see if he returns. Tony Pollard, we'll see if he is coming on back.

CeeDee Lamb's really good. Michael Gallup, if you get him healthy for a full year, he could be a really good wide receiver. I just think the Cowboys are stuck. And they could be a playoff team. They also weren't surprised they missed the playoffs. But I don't ever expect them to do legit damage in the playoffs.

Is the way that I'm saying it. So yeah, I would say proper reaction in the bleakest future because the expectations are right from Jerry Jones that they're going to win. But I never think they're actually going to meet those expectations. And final wrap up here. The overwhelming favorite beginning of the year to win the Super Bowl was the Buffalo Bills. As we know, they fall short in the divisional round, losing at home.

And the other side, you just mentioned it. Jerry Jones every year at Super Bowl. There's always that kind of cloud hanging over Mike McCarthy and his future. Jerry Jones said after Sunday's game that Mike McCarthy will be back or at least that that loss does not change his thought on the future and the job status of his current head coach.

So overreaction or proper reaction. Sean McDermott, Bills head coach. Mike McCarthy, Cowboys head coach. Both will enter 2023 on the hot seat. McCarthy, yes. McDermott, no.

There will be a tension to win. But I don't think he would get fired. The Bills were in a horrible spot. He has done a really good job in this league as a head football coach.

I know him and Brandon Bean are as close as close could be. I would think things need to go really south for Sean McDermott to be in jeopardy of losing his job. But McCarthy, he's always on the hot seat. So yes, but you said both. I don't think McDermott's on the hot seat.

So I will go overreaction there. Talking about the Buffalo Bills. Adam and Toronto were hickey. I saw Adam, he DM'd me that he was at the Bills game this past weekend. He's a big Bills fan. And I said to him, what's your Venmo?

I'll Venmo you some money so you can go get a beer. Like I was going to Venmo him like 15 bucks so he could go get a beer at the stadium. Because he's always a loyal listener and he's a big supporter of the Zach Gelb show. And even though he likes to poke fun at you, I guess he could say that he is a supporter of yours as well. Not like Slick Reynolds who just tweeted me a few moments ago. Hickey being semi sort of right about the Packers this season doesn't make up for all the horrible hot takes that happen throughout the course of the regular season.

All the horrible homework Colts take like Slick Reynolds did chime in. I think Slick doesn't like you. I do believe that Adam does like you. So I offered to Venmo Adam some money for a beer. He politely declined because he did not have Venmo. And he did go to the game and it was a miserable, miserable, miserable Sunday for Adam and Toronto who joins us right now on CBS Sports Radio.

Adam, what's shaking? Zach, man, I got to say I appreciate you, the offer for the Venmo. Man, if Canada had Venmo, I would take you up on an offer and I would ask for a lot more money because I would need a lot more beers straight from watching that crap. Wait, so Canada doesn't have Venmo?

No, they got something called like e-trancer with Interact. I don't know if you know that company. Nah, I don't.

Yeah, something like that. Yeah, and probably since I'm a generous person or I try to be a generous person, after one beer, when the game was playing out the way it did, I probably would have got you like two or three. Well, I appreciate that, man. And side note, I do love Hickey, man. It's fun.

It's an easy target sometimes. I do take the bait. I love it. I love it.

What do you got? Listen, man, I'm going to try and keep this quick, but honestly, Zach, all your guests yesterday and you, you guys were 100% on point about the bills. You know, nobody showed up. Not the defense. Josh Allen didn't and the offense didn't show up and the coaching staff didn't show up. But man, I think Ken Dorsey, our offensive coordinator is, is not catching enough heat for yesterday. And I mean, if you've watched the bills all season, like I have, it's, it's very obvious what Ken Dorsey's game plan is.

And it's very, I feel like Ken. The Listening You Love is on the free Odyssey app, your trusted local radio stations, coverage of your favorite teams, live news from your hometown and millions of podcasts on demand. Best of all, you can completely customize your listening experience. Follow topics you care about, like leagues and teams, pause or rewind your local sports and news and add shows to your queue to catch up later.

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There's a lot to listen to. a Super Bowl hero in Branson Graham and Fletcher Cox. Was it at all intimidating? I know it's professional, I know it's a business, but watching some of those guys, was it intimidating when you first walked into that locker room?

Oh, no. No, I wouldn't say intimidating, just because you kind of knew this, wherever I went, it's going to be some type of guy who's been playing football for a long time. It's more so, I would say, exciting just to be able to play alongside somebody who's been playing the game. You think about a guy who's been playing the game 10 plus years.

I just turned 22 in December. I was, what, 10, I was 12 years old, 11, 12 years old, so when they got into the league, so it was like, this is kind of exciting to just try to pick their mind and try to learn certain things from it. Nicobe Dean here with us on behalf of Sky Motor Cars, skymotorcars.com, Eagles in the NFC title game. So when you look at this team, what Jalen Hurts did, and I was in the building on Saturday night, was really impressive. And from the outside, we were all wondering, how is the shoulder going to be?

How is he going to be able to execute at a high level? It looked like the leader of the Eagles and Jalen Hurts, that shoulder was no issue. When did you guys know that he was going to be ready to go for that game? I mean, I feel like he was always ready, you know, he was going to show up for the big game whenever he was ready, and the way he practiced, he practiced everybody, he was going to be good. So I had no doubts he was going to go out and perform, and just like everybody else, I had no doubts that we were going to go out and perform the way that we needed to perform, just because the type of work we put in week in and week out. So I see the videos that you guys put up online, and Jalen always has a great speech after a game, especially after a win, and tries to keep the group level-headed. How would you describe Jalen Hurts' leadership style?

Yeah, it's just like you explained, you know, it's keeping the main thing, the main thing, everybody kind of trying to get everybody to continue to just lock in, and of course Jordan wins, enjoy everything, but everybody lock in to know that we haven't not done what we set out to do yet, you know, we still got a little minutes to go, so we're just trying to keep everybody focused and locked in on the main thing. I've lived in Philly for seven years, now I'm back in New York, but I was there when the Eagles won the Super Bowl, and I know how crazy Philadelphia could get, especially when it's dealing with their best team, their favorite team in the Philadelphia Eagles. How do you kind of give us the perspective of living in Philadelphia and being a part of this as a player and interacting with all the fans? Oh yeah, it's been great.

It's been great just being able to be a part of everything, seeing how everything has been folded, I mean unfolded. Like I said, Philly has some of the best fans in the world with all sports, not just football, but with baseball, and basketball, and everything, so it's just been great just seeing the type of atmosphere and the type of energy that the Philadelphia fans bring. You played at Georgia, and I mean this in a good way, crazy football fans. You now play in Philadelphia, crazy football fans.

How do they compare? It's a little different. It's a little different just because Philadelphia is like, it's like, well, it's in the league.

It's like, it's different in the NFL than in college. You know, you got people in college who kind of grew up, you get some like students that grow up and they probably don't become Bulldogs fans until they actually go to the school or they just live in the area for a little minute, but it's more so, they got more so college pride when it comes to the Philadelphia Eagles. You got people who was born and raised in the city of Philly, who live, eat, and breathe the Philadelphia Eagles, who are a little bit more passionate about it. How did you describe that environment on Saturday night? Because I was there, and that I've seen big Philly crowds.

That was the one Rockets crowd. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. I enjoyed it. You know, I enjoyed it. They definitely brought the energy. I expect the same, if not more, from them this weekend as we played the 49ers.

So it was great. I love the crowd. I want the team to bring the energy. I know you're a player, Nakobi Dean, so you're going to give me, oh, it's just a normal week probably, but do you feel the intensity around this week that it's a little bit extra more than just a regular week in the NFL? Well, I mean, yeah, it's only, what, eight teams?

Only eight teams left in the NFL playing right now. I mean, we're going to be able to have the opportunity to practice this week. So of course, you kind of feel it. But at the same time, like you said, we've kind of been preparing for this.

We try to bring the intensity every week of practice in meetings, in practice, in walkthroughs, no matter what we're doing, we try to bring the intensity. So it won't be like anything new that we haven't done because we've just been doing it all week. So it will kind of feel like another week, but just with a little bit more way to focus. We'll see at the end of the week if there will be two teams remaining. I'm expecting the Eagles will be in the Super Bowl coming up in two weeks.

We'll talk about Sky Motor Cars in just a second. Nakobi Dean here with us. So Jonathan Gannon is your defensive coordinator. He's interviewing, right, for head coaching job. Nick Sirianni's talked about how he thinks he's going to be a head coach in this league one day. If a team called you up and said, Nakobi, what can you tell us about Jonathan Gannon? Why would he be a good head coach?

What would you say with your experience with him? I feel like he's confident in what he does, the confidence that he brings. He's confident in what he calls that the guys on the field don't execute just because of the way that he got us prepared throughout the season, throughout the preseason, throughout everything. So he's just confident in his play calls no matter what.

I feel like that's one of the biggest reasons. Let me correct myself when I say 18. I was tripping.

It's all right. Hey, just win this weekend. No one's going to care about the math. We're on the radio.

Math is not my strong suit. So I actually went to school with Hassan Reddick. We both went to Temple together. I know you guys are close in the locker room.

Just seeing what the locker setup is at Lincoln Financial Field. How about the season he's having? 17 and a half total sacks or something?

Oh, yeah, it definitely is. You know, he's been great, great to this team. You know, the energy, the energy and leadership ability that he brings is second to none. Okay, so when you look at the 49ers, this Brock Purdy story is just unprecedented to be Mr.

Relevant. And now he is going up against you guys in an NFC title game. He was the third string quarterback not that long ago. When you watch the tape, what do you see out of the Niners quarterback in Brock Purdy?

You see a guy who's on the road. You know, you got a guy who's a team-trusted, got a good defense around him also. So it's like, just see somebody who's just comfortable back there playing. You know, somebody who they probably say should be sometimes rattled, but you know, he seems comfortable back there and he makes plays for the team. What's the biggest point of emphasis for your defense this week when you're going up against an offense that has a legendary tackle in Trent Williams? They have Deebo Samuel, Christian McCaffrey.

We talk about the Purdy story. What's been the biggest point of emphasis this week? Biggest point of emphasis, I'd say it's probably just going to be doing our job, just doing our job and executing at a high level. You know, like every week is executing at a high level, tackling, doing communicate and just doing our job, doing our 111. You know, everybody do their job.

If every 11 people on the field do their job at once, then what we have to do will get done. All right, tell me about Sky Motor Cars and SkyMotorCars.com. Yeah, y'all can go visit SkyMotorCars.com, you know, to pick out any selection of cars. You know, they got a great selection.

I know I got out of Q8 from there, which is great. I love the car. It's amazing.

You know, you also you can buy and sell your cars. So, you know, everybody should just go check them out. How about your boys at Georgia, back-to-back national champs? I know you're on the first national title team.

How about what they were able to do this year? It was great. It was great, you know, with the coaches and what Kirby got going up there. It's just great, you know, and I'm definitely proud to say that I played at the University of Georgia, and I'm always going to be proud to say that, you know, I was at the game, so I was happy to see the smackdown they put on their boys. What do you love the most about Stetson Bennett? Because I think Stetson Bennett and Jalen Hurts are a little bit similar, where everyone tries to disrespect them, and year after year, they just continue to prove people wrong.

Yeah, of course. I mean, if you don't know Stetson's story, you should look into it, but other than his story, you know, I love for me personally, knowing the person that I love that he kind of got like me who don't really care what people got to say, you know. He always got to constantly prove himself, and he just continues to do it, you know, and even when if it's a misstep, you know, you don't second guess yourself. His confidence is not wavering no matter what, so that's what I love about him.

He don't care what nobody has to say. He's just gonna go. He's gonna work. He's gonna continue to get better day in and day out.

That's the one of the biggest thing I love about him. It's probably a little surreal for you, right, because you just won a national championship in college. Now it's your first year in the league, and you could be playing in the Super Bowl in two weeks.

That's some pretty neat stuff when you look at it. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely great, but like I said, I'm kind of a guy who take everything, like try to stay level ahead, you know.

I haven't even made it to the Super Bowl yet, so I'm just thinking about one game at a time, and then the NFC Championship, and that's the 49ers. So that's the only thing I'm trying to think about, just handling the job this weekend. Well, enjoy coming up this weekend.

Best of luck to you and the rest of the team, and we appreciate you joining us today on behalf of Sky Motor Cars and skymotorcars.com. He's the Kobe Dean. Now, Kobe, thanks so much.

Definitely. Thank y'all for having me. You're listening to the Zach Gelb Show. This Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio.

So congratulations. Let's start off there with Scott Rowland, who is going to Cooperstown as a member, as the lone member that was just elected to this class for this upcoming year for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and I want to say congratulations first, because each and every year this turns into a steroid conversation. This turns into the guys that are not getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, and it's only to the fault of the writers. So like I look at Scott Rowland, like when we look at his career objectively, is he the first guy that you think about when you're asked to see a Hall of Famer?

Absolutely not. But you can talk yourself into making a compelling enough case for Scott Rowland. Like I think there could be a lot of healthy discussions about was Scott Rowland just very good or was he great? But as you know, and this is like my biggest problem or one of my bigger problems with the Hall of Fame and any Hall of Fame, you shouldn't have to make a case for someone for so many years. Like you should know when the guy retires, if he's a Hall of Famer or not. But it seems like for a lot of guys, we have to talk ourselves into someone eventually winning out an argument to be a Hall of Famer.

But there is a case to be made. Like the guy's a seven time All-Star. He's a World Series champion. We know that he had an incredible glove. He won eight Gold Glove awards.

Like there's enough of a case to be made for Scott Rowland to go to the Hall of Fame. But when you exclude other greats because you say that they cheated and right they use steroids and all that, like that's just where I have a problem. Like that's just where I have a problem because here, like I grew up in the steroid era. We all knew what was going on, but no one did a damn thing to stop it because it was actually good for the game.

I know now people are like, oh, the steroid era. It was awful. It was awful.

It was terrible. Shame on everyone that participated and cheated. It saved Major League Baseball. Those home run chases were unreal, were ridiculous. And what made people like me fall in love with the game of baseball? You know, other than just going to a game with your mom and your dad and and right getting to play a little league baseball as a kid and all that, those home run chases were awesome. And it saved the game and brought excitement to the game like we've never seen. But now you're trying to tell me that those players, because they cheated, don't belong in the Hall of Fame.

Well, if that's the case, can we have some consistency? Because I think David Ortiz absolutely is a Hall of Famer. He made the Hall of Fame. But how do you put Big Poppy in the Hall of Fame, but then you exclude guys like Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, just because what? They didn't talk to you as a media member or you thought they were jerks? There is no one that hates Roger Clemens more than me. I can't stand the guy. I'm a Mike Piazza fan.

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Like, why can't we just tell the truth? Why can't we just acknowledge they were great players, but they did X, Y, and Z? And I think the way that Major League Baseball, the writers, actually that's the writers, the way that they pick and choose who they put in, there's no standard here.

And they've made this mess. Like to me, if you vote one steroid guy in and you look past whatever he was accused of or whatever he did, you then can't just hold it against someone else who may have better numbers. Like John Heyman, right?

Arson Judge's best friend. He wants, I don't think he ever voted for Piazza. I know he didn't vote for him initially. I don't think he ever voted for Piazza because of suspected steroid use. But then Pudge who was asked once, did you take any performance enhancing drugs?

Said only God knows the answer to that. John Heyman put him in on the first try. Like, how does that make sense? So I really hate this day when you see, and nothing against Scott Rowland, he gets in the Hall of Fame, but then I watch Gary Sheffield. Like I watched Alex Rodriguez.

I watched Manny Ramirez. They're better baseball players than Scott Rowland. They have more deserving credentials than Scott Rowland. And I know that Bonds and Clemons, right, this argument is already gone. All right, they're already off the ballot, but for them not to get in the Hall of Fame already is a joke. Barry Bonds, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, in the record books is the most home runs of all time. Roger Clemons is one of the more dominant pitchers you're going to ever see.

We can all acknowledge that they did wrong. And even if they don't want to admit it, and still put them in the Hall of Fame. But this is what happens. And I feel bad for Scott Rowland because this discussion now turns into Scott Rowland gets in the Hall of Fame, who had a very good career. And you could make a case for him being a Hall of Famer. But Scott Rowland gets in, but this player doesn't. And this player has it. And this player won't.

And this player is going to have to wait. I hate to say it because I've been to Cooperstown a handful of times. I think I've been there like four or five times. It's a great place.

It's a great town. It's awesome how they honor the game. But the Hall of Fame to me is just such a sham now. Because there are guys that I grew up watching with my own eyes and I know that they were great.

And we found out that they cheated. But to exclude those guys from the Hall of Fame, it's just jackassery to me. It's stupid.

It's idiotic. And I'm not saying that the voters shouldn't be allowed to continue to vote, but I think we really got to diversify this vote. Let team broadcasters vote. Let talk show hosts vote. More of them. Let some of the former players vote.

I'm all for that. Vince Scully was around a baseball historian forever. He never had a vote for Cooperstown.

So, Hickey, it's weird because we had this conversation so many times and it just frustrates me and I'm just annoyed. And I'm not taking anything away from Scott Rowan. But Alex Rodriguez and many of our mayors should be in the Hall of Fame before Scott Rowan. Yeah, honestly, I love the Baseball Hall of Fame.

It would be my favorite of the four. I just don't care anymore. I stopped caring. I didn't know, to be honest, I didn't know what was today.

I didn't know the reveals today. I couldn't tell you who's on the ballot. I've stopped losing or I've lost interest. Fair. Just because it's to the point where it's so arbitrary. It's become the Hall of Very Good, not the Hall of Great, which I think it should be. I think the bar has been lowered. So I just stopped caring. Like Harold Baines is a Hall of Famer.

I just don't get me started over Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. And you're right. They wear you down with all these inconsistencies. And then you have all these writers, all this person's attacking me on Twitter. This person's attacking me on Twitter. Like, what are we doing here? But who may like, why do you get to decide on like the morals of this? I mean, that's what it is. Oh, this person cheated. So I have to protect the integrity of the game. Like nonsense.

Nonsense. And I've used to talk to Curt Schilling. I used to have him on a bunch. And then, you know, I'm like, and then I used to tell him I can't support the things that you're saying. I would say it on the air. But we always have respectful conversations like that guy's getting screwed out of the Hall of Fame because of his beliefs. And I'm not saying everything Curt Schilling says is right, because it's not.

But what are we doing? Are we honoring what they did on the field or if they cheated or things that they said off the field? That doesn't make sense. I know Pete Rose is despicable. That guy should be the Hall of Fame. It's the most hits in the history of the game.

You're not in the Hall of Fame? It's just ridiculous. It really is.

So I think you actually put the best, Nicky. I'm worn out for this. Like, I just don't even care anymore. And it stinks because the goal of the Hall of Fame is to honor legends. The goal of the Hall of Fame is to tell the history of the game.

And it feels like they're telling me my childhood never happened because people cheated. Well, you put Bud Seligin, Joe Torre, Bobby Cox, Tony La Russa, even guys like David Ortiz. All those guys get in, but we pick and choose which guys that knew what was going on or participated in the wrong.

And we say, oh, we like those guys, but we don't like the other guys. The NFL playoffs live on Odyssey. Touchdown as time expires.

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