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February 10, 2017 4:30 pm

Dr. Michael Brown discusses various topics including the Hebrew Roots movement, Calvinism, sovereignty, lordship salvation, non-lordship salvation, end times, rapture, second coming, Israel, Jerusalem, embassy, settlements, and peace process, answering questions from listeners and providing insights and perspectives on these subjects.

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I'm coming your way live from chilly and cold Saskatoon, Canada. You've got questions? We've got answers. It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Yeah, so there was about an 80-degree difference. I flew into Orlando on Monday night, and it was 72 degrees. We arrived there, and it was eight below in Saskatoon where we were going next, or I was going next. And boy, it's a long way to get here, too. But thrilled to be here for a weekend of meetings, even more thrilled to be live with you right here on the line of fire.

Michael Brown, Friday. That means you've got questions. We've got answers. 866-348-848. Seven.

884. That's 86635. For true. Truth. Anything under the sun you want to ask me, talk to me about, in any area of expertise I have, any way that I can be of help to you whatsoever, here I am.

My joy and privilege to do so. Thank you again, all of you who prayed for our filming with God TV. I preached 16 messages in two days. We recorded 16 30-minute shows for our new broadcast on God TV called Word on Fire. I believe it starts airing early March.

We already have a five-minute daily show called Ask Me Anything, where I respond to questions sent in by viewers of God TV. But this show will be 30 minutes preaching, where I really get to pour my heart out about holiness, about discipleship, about revival, about the real gospel versus the contemporary gospel. God's grace was on me to do it and made sure I got good sleep. And of course, healthy eating just invigorates me.

So can't wait for those shows to come out. And what's interesting. Is that God TV's biggest audience is outside of the United States.

So we get to minister to folks in countries like India by the tens of millions and all over Europe and Africa and so on. Thank you for being a part of that. Thank you for praying. And let me just share something with you before I go to the phones. Khalev Myers, a good friend.

Heads up the Jerusalem Institute of Justice sent out a newsletter uh about the United States moving its embassy to Jerusalem. And he says this: the arguments of those who are for and against moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem are wildly exaggerated in their sensationalism. Jerusalem was the capital of the Jewish nation several millennia before Washington, D.C., appeared on the map of the world. Indeed, ages before it was inhabited by white Europeans, perhaps even before it was inhabited by Native Americans.

So what's the big deal? What makes the current melodrama all the more inappropriate is the fact that the U.S. Congress decided in the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 to move the embassy to West. Jerusalem. First of all, this is old news.

Secondly, West Jerusalem, unlike East Jerusalem, which some still claim to be disputed territory, has clearly been under undisputed Israeli sovereignty since 1948. No one in the world, except preposterous radical Islamic movements that still deny the very existence of the Jewish state, ever disputes the fact that West Jerusalem is included. within the legitimate boundaries of the Jewish state. It is absolutely ridiculous, indeed laughable, that anyone outside of the Israeli government should think that they have the right to determine where Israel's capital is. This would be similar to the Knesset deciding to move the Israeli embassy to Dallas, Texas, because as far as Israel is concerned, Dallas should be the capital of the U.S.

Ironically, I understand that many Texans may actually embrace that viewpoint. If violent attacks against Israelis are the result of the U.S. administration's decision regarding the embassy, then those who made a big deal of this issue are to blame and not the American Israeli governments. Journalists in the Western media may have literally created a justification out of scratch for Islamic terrorists to spill more Jewish blood. My recommendation to the international media and political pundits is to move on to more exciting news.

Get over it already. The decision to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem is not newsworthy in the slightest. I have a feeling that President Trump, as we speak, is making much more sensational decisions.

So says Khaleib Myers of the Jerusalem Institute for Justice. I'm with you, Khaleib. We'll be right back with your questions. Age the world O God of burning, cleansing flames. Send the fire.

It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome, welcome to the broadcast.

You've got questions. We've got answers. Michael Brown from chilly, cold, snow-covered Saskatoon and Saskatchewan, Canada. 866-348-7884. If you're listening anywhere in the area, even a few hours away, I don't know the next time we'll be up this way.

Come and join us at Faith Alive Family Church tonight, Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday morning. By the way, Let's see, left Orlando, left the hotel at 8.30 in the morning yesterday, and then went from there, flew to Charlotte. Had about a two and a half hour layover in Charlotte. Then flew from Charlotte to Toronto. And then just about an hour, hour and a half there, just enough time to go through passport control, customs, the whole bit.

And then flew from there about a four hour flight. Actually, it was over four hours last night to Saskatoon.

So I think from leaving the hotel, arriving at the hotel, it was about 14. Hours. Yep, and about an 80-degree difference in climate. But all is well. I'm energized and alive and excited to be on the air with you.

866-348-7884. We'll start with Michael in Fort Lee, New Jersey. Thanks for calling the line of fire. Good afternoon, Dr. Brown.

I've always uh read Revelation twelve verses one to three to be allegorical.

However, a celestial event that occurs on twenty-three September of this year describes the same star alignment of Revelation twelve. Also the Bethlehem stored. discovered by astronomers on twenty three September of twenty fifteen and the star that guided the wise men for two years during the birth of Jesus, Completes its two-year cycle on 23 steps, twenty seventeen. Do you see any significance to the these celestial events. Whether the celestial events have significance to me would be totally Different than the question about Revelation 12.

In other words, there's clearly symbolism here. In Revelation 12, a great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars on her head. She was pregnant, cried out in pain, and she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven hands and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. We know, for example, depictions of Satan or Leviathan.

or some type of Powerful adversarial spirit in the ancient world. He was a dragon with seven heads.

So we're aware. Of that type of imagery. And we know the whole book of Revelation is filled with signs and typology.

So it is absolutely correct to read that, sir, as allegorical in Revelation chapter 12. As to whether there is significance to these other. events of which you speak. I have not followed them. I'm not aware of them in detail.

I would only say this. God can use the constellations to get our attention. God can use unusual formations in the heavens to get our attention. You do have the astrology thing and the pagan way of looking at the stars, but to recognize that God has always spoken through creation and that unusual arrangements of things or unusual timings of things have gotten our attention or have made people realize something's up.

Something unusual is happening. I'm fine with that, but I have no comment on the specifics that you mentioned. I haven't followed it, and I don't follow these things on a regular basis to say this is extraordinary, this has never happened, and it happened at certain key dates, and therefore it should get our attention. As for Revelation 12, continue to read it allegorically in terms of the symbolism. It's certainly meant in that way.

Thank you for the question, though. I appreciate it. 866-348-7884. Let's go to Hyattsville, Maryland. Carl, welcome to the line of fire.

Yes. Thanks, doctor Bond, for taking my call. You bet.

Okay, yes. I think it was last week, I'm not sure if it's Friday or Thursday, you had someone on who you were talking to about the African Hebrew Israelite heritage and their communities. Yeah, and and just just to be clear, that was last Thursday. And my guest who is a Jew of African descent. as opposed to many in the black Hebrew Israelite movement.

was was talking about the errors and dangers of the black Hebrew Israelite movement, but how it had its origins. out of African Jews and then became this cult. With people with no connection to Israel whatsoever.

So I'm just saying that for the benefit of our listeners tuning in. Yes, fascinating show, fascinating guest. Go ahead. Yes, um, the the question that I had was what was his name again, please, sir? Uh his His name, let me just make sure I pronounce it correctly.

First name is Masiahu. But let me just... Let me just. Get it up here. Hang on.

Hang on. Okay, fair. Almost here. Uh, here we go. Yeah, uh Sarah yeah, Sarah is excuse me.

Last name is is uh Amasayahu. It's Sarsharot. That's the part I didn't have correctly. Sarsharot Maseyahu is his Hebrew name.

Okay, then because I I wanted to know I'm interested in in that ministry, the ministering to So Um not only Um, black Jews but also to Jews in general, as you also have your ministry directed to. Um do I've I've been to Dimona, Israel, and I have met the African Hebrew Israelite community that lives there. and they had been accepted as as as and give them status in Israel.

So I'm quite familiar. with them. Um but this this um gentleman, he was He gave out a website some time ago when you last interviewed, not this time, but time before. But that website, he said, was on the construction. It seems to still be on a construction.

a number. Is off the ear or anyway, could could we get a website for him or a contact number for his his um congregation? Yeah, I'm not sure about his congregation. Here's what we can do: stay right there, all right? And Howard's going to come on and get your.

email. And then my assistant Dylan Will do his best to connect you two. All right, so we're talking about a Jewish follower of Jesus who is of African descent. And that's very important. That's very important, Jewish, because the Hebrew light in the Mona.

They also, I see them, they have this co-field reference Bible. They have both the Old and New Testament in their hands.

So it marveled me to see that they were into the New Testament also. Right, well, you have right, you have varied groups, sir. You have. Black Hebrew Israelites who do have some belief in Jesus, but often only as the savior of the black race, or certainly not the savior of the white race. There are other cultic views, very legalistic, and then very hateful and destructive.

So, just again for our listeners, we want to distinguish. And we'll put we'll put those in Damon Israel. Bring those into the discussion right here. But there are Jews, for example, Ethiopian Jews, at some point in history. through intermarriage with people in Africa, tribes of Israel, individual Israelites, communities were birthed, just like there's been intermarriage with Ashkenazi Jews from which I descend, hence the European characteristics.

So there's been intermarriage with different groups around the world, and there have been substantial numbers of Jews who can legitimately say, hey, we are part of the tribes of Israel. Through intermarriage, we are part of the tribes of Israel and the history of Israel. And we are Jews. Most of them do not believe in Jesus, but there are many who do. Ethiopian Jews and Lemba Jews and Zimbabwe, many of them are believers in Jesus as well.

That is separate from the black Hebrew-Israelite cult. We just want to make that clear.

So, Carl, stay there. Dylan will get your, Howard will get your contact info and send it to Dylan. And we will connect you with my guest from a week and a half ago. All right, thank you for calling. Stay right there.

866-8666. 348. Seven, eight, eight, four. Can I share a prayer request with you? I just saw this posted on Facebook.

I'm not going to mention the gentleman's name. Hello, doctor Brown. I am an addict. and I want to stop using. I'm from Oxford, California, and I was at New Life, church where I spoke when you came and spoke.

I was amazed with what you said. I also have injected myself, and I suffer with my sexuality. I do not want to use anymore. Everyone tells me you need to want to stop to stop and they are right. When you came down and spoke, you spoke about the relationship you had with God.

What do I have to do to give myself to God? I do not want to live this life of sin, drugs, desperation. I want to live a life of happiness, joy, hope, and inspiration. I wrote back to him, giving him counsel as to what he needed to do alone with God and then who he needed to reach out to in the church community to get help. But would you pray for this man?

self-identified drug addict in California. God, we lift him up to you and pray that today, It would be the day when he comes to the end of himself and the beginning of your grace, and that in the years ahead he would live for you. And you were long. We ask it, God, in the name of Jesus. Amen.

We'll be right back with your call. Mm-hmm. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Welcome, welcome to the line of fire 8663487884. I'm not sure what the delay is with Apple getting our app on its store, but you can. Download the Android app.

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866. 348-7884. We go to Jared in Blue Springs, Missouri. You're on the line of fire. Hey, how are you today?

Doing well, thanks.

Okay, so we got a real quick question for you. I wrote it down so that I could get it out without losing anything.

So I'll just read that real quick. I heard an explanation of blasphemy the other day by Chuck Musel. And the essence of what he was saying. In brief, was that even more than giving credit to the adversary. taking the George's name in vain would be more like taking a married name.

And now you're using a new name. No, Christ's name had Christian. Uh To identify yourself. And when you misrepresent the one who gives you the new name, you use that name in vain or irreverently. Uh there Thereby, a misrepresentation of God by calling yourself a Christian and not living a Christian life.

would be blasphemy.

Now that in mind, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit could be seen as denying the gifts. and the work of the Spirit, i.e. real prophecy, tongues, and miracles. are not the work of the Holy Spirit. Could be understood as a blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Also the abuse and the intentional manipulation Of that. of people By using the false gifts or trickery and attributing that to the Holy Spirit. would be considered blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Uh if Even how we approach our theology as to whether we believe in the gifts or they are not or not. Um Where are we at?

So, if that's the case, then it really broadens the realm of what blasphemy is and what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is, and it holds us. to a far higher standard of living. Christian life than most of us were ever taught, at least here. And we all need to feel here that we're aware of. Got it.

Yeah, so all clear, Jared, and I appreciate you taking the time to write that out. I agree with the spirit of what's being said in terms of how. If we're identified as followers of Jesus and our lifestyles, Bring him reproach. But that Mm-hmm. brings disparagement to God's name.

And I'm very sensitive to the fact that denial of what God is doing by his Spirit or manipulating people in false ways, allegedly by the Spirit, that those things are grievous in his sight. I just would not put them in the overt category of blasphemy of the Spirit because the severity of that is such that Jesus says they'll never be forgiven and can never be forgiven.

So there's a certain hardness of heart with that, and in the context of Mark 3, it is knowingly and willingly attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the Lord. demons.

So you have these religious leaders who certainly understood that Jesus was operating in the power of God, but hardened their hearts to the point that they attributed it to Satan. And because of that, we're we're uh Cutting themselves off from God's grace and from God's mercy. But here's an interesting thought, though. God says. In Ezekiel and Isaiah that his name is being defiled or or blasphemed.

And by the way, this is not a... A technical term with theological connotations only. It would be like you can slander a person. or you can slander God. And when you're slandering God, you'd call it blasphemy.

But God says, Jared, in Isaiah 52, that his name is blasphemed among the nations because of the children of Israel being scattered around the world. In other words, it makes him look bad. It makes him look impotent. It makes him look deficient. It makes it look like the God of the Israel was defeated by the other gods because he wasn't strong enough to preserve his temple and to keep his people in the land and now they're exiled and it made him look bad.

So in that respect, I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. Our responsibility, if we're going to name the name of Jesus, The way we live can bring honor to the Lord or can drive people away from Him. If we're going to name the name of Jesus, The way we live could make people think well of him or make people think poorly of him. There are religious Jews around the world. If they ever would say anything close to the name of Jesus, they would spit on the ground afterwards.

The name that we revere, the name of Yeshua, they would spit on the ground if they said it. Why? because they associate him with the Crusades and Inquisitions and Holocaust and 15 plus centuries of anti-Semitism.

So that is how the church has made Jesus look bad to the world. When, say, evangelical leaders, brothers and sisters of mine, evangelical leaders, let's say one of us sins in a very public way. We get caught in adultery, we get caught stealing money, we get caught in some kind of hypocritical lifestyle. It not only makes us look bad, not only makes all evangelicals look bad, but it makes this Jesus of the evangelicals look bad. And when it comes to the Spirit...

Let us be careful. Let us be careful. Let us speak carefully, just because something's different than what you're used to. And people are saying the Holy Spirit's moving, and you're different than it's different than what you're used to. Don't be so quick to write it off and attribute it to demons.

Be careful. Be careful. And in the same way, Do not under any circumstances use a gift or anointing you have to manipulate people for any gain. Financial gain or other in a personal level.

So, again, I appreciate the spirit of what you're saying. I just wouldn't put it all in the category of blasphemy. 866-348-248. Seven. 884.

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It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr.

Michael Brown. Thanks so much for being part of the broadcast and joining us. On the line of fire, 866-348-7884. Four, let's go to our friend Eliana in Clinton, Maryland. Welcome to the line of fire.

Hi, Doctor Brown. How are you? Doing well, thanks.

Got your book, Strongholds. I mean breaking the strongholds of food. Thank you so much, you and your wife, for writing it. I wish it was an audio. Because it's something I really like to, you know, we've got to talk to the publisher about that.

And yeah, absolutely. Yeah. This one, my question is well, well, it's two part, I guess, depending on on what you believe will determine whether or not You can maybe answer the second part. But do you believe that the millennium that's spoken of in the word. after Yeshua returns is if that's a do you believe that's a literal thousand years?

and which he'll reign on earth after he returns. Yeah, as best as I understand it, the actual thousand years is only mentioned in Revelation, the 20th chapter. We know Revelation, the book of Revelation, is filled with symbolism, but it... It is mentioned several times in that passage. It would be in harmony with, say, the end of Isaiah, where it says that someone dying at 100 would be accursed.

And it was widely believed in the early church, even the concept of 6,000 years of human history and a seventh Uh 1,000 years would be a millennial. millennial kingdom and one day being with the Lord like a thousand years.

So even though you only have one explicit reference in Revelation 20 to that thousand years In that setting of the future reign of Jesus, you have the Old Testament prophecies pointing forward to what's going to happen on the earth at that time.

So I personally do believe that there will be a thousand-year reign on the earth, and that's called the premillennial view, that Jesus will come before the millennium and then set up his kingdom on the earth out of Jerusalem. All right, well here's my main question. Do you know? Of any rabbinical or any type of teaching, either within the You're Jewish. um, belief or otherwise that talks about The nations that are, you know, you know, that the revelation talks about being here or whatever, consisting of.

Children, you know, who didn't have who didn't live long enough to, you know, to, you know, to their age of accountability to make choices. You know, you know, people. Who have passed away, but you know, again, didn't have an opportunity to actually choose. Being here during that time. Do you know of any type of Jehovah's Witnesses and other.

Groups, different cults will have this view that people get another chance in different levels in the millennial kingdom. And some would try to point to verses saying in Jeremiah that talk about restoring the fortunes of certain nations in the future. But for a traditional Jew, the millennium is not a time when anyone is being resurrected, nor would that be a Christian view that the millennium is a time of resurrection. The resurrection would take place after that time. Rather, in a traditional Jewish view, Messiah will come and fight the wars of the Lord and subdue the enemies of Israel.

And then the nations of the world, so the survivors of the nations that attack Jerusalem, will then come and worship in Jerusalem and worship the God of Israel and serve the people of Israel. That would be a traditional Jewish view.

So it's not going to be a future second chance kind of scenario in a millennial kingdom, according to Jewish. Tradition and Revelation 20 says that the speaks of the resurrection of the righteous, the believers, before the millennium, so we're resurrected with the Lord's return, but the final resurrection for everyone else is not until after the millennial kingdom. In short, Eliana, I don't see anything in scripture that speaks about a second chance in some earthly kingdom for anyone, except if you have survived after the Lord has returned and you enter into the millennial kingdom, then you live on. That seems to be what scripture is saying. Thank you, though, for the question.

Give us strict to always do what's right. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Thanks so much for being part of our Friday broadcast. Again, if you are anywhere near Saskatoon in Saskatchewan, Canada, join me tonight, Saturday night, Sunday morning at Faith Alive Family Church 866-366. 348-7884. Let us go to Hazel in Queens, New York. Thanks so much for calling the line of fire.

Hello, Doctor Brown. How are you? Doing well, thank you.

Okay, I have more of a comment than a question. Supporting the house. on the radio station. I think it's very extremely important because it takes a great deal of finances to keep These uh pastors in housed on the radio station. And it's It is so beneficial.

I'm lost for words. I've been in a religion for thirteen years and I have never ever Learned as much as I have from these pastors. I listened. to five seventy AM And the information is So enlightening and so truthful. it is so difficult to find a church that teaches from the Bible and teaches such realistic Wheels.

And I am so grateful to them.

So it's so very important to. support them financially as much as we can. But the problem that I have is If you have been on the radio for a half an hour and you will always Uh Short. twenty thousand, uh, forty thousand, why would you go on the air for an entire hour? and now short one hundred thousand dollars.

The listeners are not riches. Yeah, some can hardly make ends meet. Yeah, here's the thing, Hazel. First, I'm so glad that you're enriched by the broadcasts, by the teachings, by our show and others on 570 a.m. WMCA, one of the finest stations in the country.

And we're blessed to be on the air. If at any point as we're rearranging some of our own radio stations and financial priorities, you don't hear us on 570 a.m., just keep listening online at the line of fire. The lineofire.org. This way you won't miss a show, whether we're on your local station or not. I can't speak for others, Hazel, in terms of why they're on, but it's very costly.

To be on the radio. And bear in mind, we have a team that broadcasts. This is not a one-man deal. This takes several people to do a broadcast and a lot of hard work, and then, of course, the time and energy. On my end, or the other broadcasters.

So it costs a lot of money, less than TV. But a lot of money nonetheless, and we're privileged to be on these stations across the country. And so you understand that we have to raise money to be on the radio.

So, as Hazel is rightly saying, for me to be talking to you right now. We have to raise money. To do that. You say, aren't you like making a lot of money doing this? No, no, we have to raise money to do this.

You say, well, Mike, don't you get like a big contract like Rush Limbaugh and these other guys? No, no, no, no. I don't get a contract. I don't. This is something we do as a ministry to serve you.

So if you're blessed and helped by this, then every gift, whether it's $5 or $10,000 or $50,000 or $100 or $10,000, every gift goes a long way in helping us. And above all, Torch Bearers, monthly supporters, it goes a long, long way in helping us reach out.

Now, why would someone who's already In debt, 50 or 100,000 or 200,000 or 300,000, expand their radio reach only if they know that over a period of time they're going to get funding. We've sought to do that over time to sow into new areas and believe God for funding as we reach more and more people. But in point of fact, many people have to go off the air. We've had to cut back on stations because there's not adequate support.

So everyone does their best. And all we say is, hey, everybody, help out. If we're a blessing to you, Then help out, put aside a dollar a day to help us. That's awesome. Enough people do that.

We could blanket all of America with radio. Those who look at it as just another money-making scheme have no business being on Christian radio. And I certainly don't think most go on Christian radio for that motivation. May the Lord bless you. And Hazel, I bet there's some good churches you can find that are preaching a strong gospel message right in the greater Queens area.

866-348-7884. All right, since I'm in Canada, we'll go to Nick in Calgary, Canada. Welcome to the line of fire. Hey, Doctor Brown, it's great to talk to you again. Yes, sir.

Nice to hear from you.

Okay, so I have a question for you. Um Yeah. I'm kind of, I guess you could say I'm sort of the staff apologist at my church for whatever that's worth. And my pastor recently came to me with an issue that's been going on. Apparently, there was.

a YouTube presentation by a guy named Jim Staley. called identity crisis. And He apparently is some sort of Hebrew root teacher. I haven't gotten a very firm background on exactly what his stance is, but. because of this video and his his teachings Of groups of people have decided to Essentially, leave our church and become Jews.

Like they're now attending a synagogue. and they believed that they're they were supposed to be following the law. And it's sort of a convoluted description of what exactly they believe, because they're not even exactly sure what they believe. They just know that they're supposed to be. actually Jews based on his teaching apparently.

I'm not a I haven't had a chance to watch the entire video because it's like three hours long. Um but I did see I did see in some Internet, like Google searches and stuff, your name was loosely associated with him, although I don't know to what degree. And I figure if If there's anybody to ask about Hebrew root stuff, it's probably you.

So I was just wondering if you could kind of break down. What it is that he teaches, if you are aware of it, and what would be good resources and good responses to some of his claims. Yeah, sure thing. And thank you for the question.

Okay. First, just an interesting part of history here. I was Uh doing Friday broadcast. And was Same thing, answering questions. And the last caller.

On this particular day, calls in with questions about Jim Staley and what he taught about dietary laws and things like that.

So I responded as to what I felt were the errors in the teaching, you know, that all believers were required to observe the dietary laws. I was about to go from there to the airport. And I'm handed my itinerary, and I was flying in and speaking at some congregation, and they seemed to have an interest in Jewish roots, etc. But I didn't know exactly who they were, but they really had a passion for me to come. And I was asked a few times to come.

So I finally ended up agreeing to do that. And I. I was just told that Rather than stay at a hotel, the pastor had a separate suite in his home that was ideal. And with the healthy eating that I have, I have my own refrigerator and all that. I said, okay, great, I'll do it.

Well, it turns out the pastor was Jim Staley, and I was about to stay at his house. I don't remember that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So tragically, Jim is in jail right now. Uh He would say falsely accused, although he's made a confession taking lesser charges. I can't get into any details about that, but he is in jail. for some previous business dealings.

So if people are not hearing from him much, that's the case. And he's got, I think, six daughters or a bunch of girls. I stayed at the house, a very sweet family. And Jim was emphatically against the Hebrew roots movement. of which he uh used to be a major part.

He was renouncing that Uh however, he Still believed the things that he believed. He called himself a pastor, not a rabbi. He did not claim to be. a Jew to my knowledge but believed that although we're justified by faith in Jesus, and save by grace That All believers are called by God to observe the seventh-day Sabbath. All believers are called by God to observe the dietary laws, etc.

That there's one law for Israel and for the sojourner among them, and that should be lived out to this day.

So his teachings. As I was with him, were the teachings of a brother in the Lord with whom I have strong differences. as opposed to those that I would completely write off. as as an occult Or those who are trying to now find, okay, what tribe of Israel am I descended from? Or who believe that all Gentile Christians are actually descendants of the the scattered twelve tribes, etc.

So I do need to write more on some of these subjects. There are different things out. I'm trying to find the video. In fact, if you hold through the break, I'll see if during the break we can locate this. But I did a teaching for Southern Evangelical Seminary where I gave an apologia.

for Hebrew roots teaching. I gave the arguments in favor of it as if I believed it. And then I deconstructed it. Then I took it apart, said what was wrong. Then I had interaction with the students and faculty there, and they were very sharp in their thinking.

I'll see if we can find that. Otherwise, my book, 60 Questions. Christians ask about Jewish beliefs and practices is a good place to start. Sixty questions. Christians ask about Jewish beliefs and practices.

Well I would say that there are things in Jim Staley's teachings that would have been alarmist and extreme that I would reject because they could be divisive and destructive. many other areas as believers we would have. in Harmon. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown.

Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks, friends, for joining us. You've got questions.

We've got answers. If it's appropriate to ask on Christian radio, you can ask away. 866-348-7884. Hey, Nick, in Calgary, I cannot find where that video was posted. I'm going to have our folks check on it.

The lecture I gave for Southern Evangelical Seminary on Hebrew roots. Again, I do my best to give their argument, the pro-Hebrew roots argument. Jim Staley. when I was with him, did not identify with that movement anymore, said that he Renounced it, the serious error he found in it, and didn't want to be associated with it, although he still held to the fundamental. Teachings that he held to, some of which I affirmed, and some of which I strongly differed with.

But we'll find that and we'll get it posted. And as long as you're in touch with us on either Facebook or Twitter or YouTube, you will be notified. All right, God bless. Thank you for the question. 866-34TRUTH.

We go to Austin, Texas. Andrew, welcome to the line of fire. What's going on, Dr. Brown? Speaking of strong differences, the Silbing Brothers and the Lord, I am a 689 Reformed Baptist Amillennial who loves you to death, brother.

Awesome, man. Um So, yeah, but here's the thing. Being a 1689 Baptist, I am surrounded by people who aren't exactly dispensational. Just do me Andrew, do me one favor. For the sake of those who may not know what Baptist confession you're speaking of or what that means, just explain.

The the phrase you use, the 1689 phrase. Oh, okay.

So, I hold to the 689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith, which is an outline of what we believe. We generally tend to be Calvinistic and got it. and Covenantal. in our theology and also tend to be fairly sensationalistic. Got it.

All clear. Just wanted our folks to to understand that. All right, that's totally fine. I understand that.

Sometimes us theologians sometimes throw out words and a lot of people are like, What? Um But the But the thing is is that we don't really have many dispensationalists in at least the crowds that I run in. And so I would have two questions for you in relation to both what I've been dealing with in opposition and those whom I align with. Um Number one, would you say Is that Well, I guess this is the more important question. Um and you can answer them in whatever order you desire.

Would you consider non-lordship salvation. Would you consider it A Bru would you call non-lordship believers our brothers in Christ? And would you say That um What would you say in response to people who claim that dispensationalism naturally leads to non-lordship salvation. I would say that it has nothing to do with dispensationalism. Actually.

That the debate about lordship salvation and then completely transcends dispensationalism. that I was saved in a dispensationalist church. and we would have had no notion of non-lordship salvation. that I believe John MacArthur is a dispensationalist, if I'm correct. And John MacArthur is Also, reformed and led the way in fighting against non-lordship salvation.

So, actually, I honestly don't see any connection. between the two. The ur the early dispensationalists were a cessationist. The majority of dispensationalists around the world today are charismatic.

So dispensationalism rather is a way of looking at church history and world history that sees God's dealings with Israel as separate and distinct, a separate dispensation from church history, so that we're in this giant parenthesis now when God is dealing with the church, and then when he takes the church out in the pre-trib rapture, according to dispensationalism, he'll then deal with the nation of Israel again as a nation, and then Israel will rule and reign in the millennial kingdom. And the church will just kind of have a more of a heavenly or supervising role. But there's really no intersection with that necessarily and say whether you believe in the gifts of the Spirit or not. or whether or not you believe in lordship salvation or not. And then even within that, there's a question of what exactly is meant by lordship salvation and non-lordship salvation.

I don't know anyone. and quote lordship salvation that believes unless you get rid of every last sin in your life categorically and definitively that you're not saved I don't know if anyone believes that. Rather. What we teach, what I believe, is that salvation means embracing Jesus as Lord, that salvation is saved from sin. To service of God.

It's saying, God, save me from my sins and make me your own. I confess you as my Lord. That's salvation, as opposed to. as opposed to save me so I can keep on sinning. Right.

And and and I get that and and I agree with everything. I agree with your statements of the Lordship's salvation. Um I guess I'm asking that there are non-lordship people out there. Would you consider them your brothers in Christ? Like, I mean, I have fought for non-lordship salvation.

In the arena of argumentation, many times. I'm asking you. Would Should we consider those who reject Lordship Salvation. As our brothers and Craig. On only if they do not heretically deny foundations of the faith.

So it all depends on how extreme the position is. In other words, if they say, look, you can have Jesus as Savior, without having him as Lord, meaning you have no idea what it really means to submit to his Lordship and all the implications of that. And that you'll find out as you go on in the Lord.

Well, of course that's true. If they say No matter how you live, no matter what you do. No matter whether there's any evidence of a changed life under any circumstances whatsoever, you simply pray a prayer. and you're in. That to me is a terribly dangerous and misleading teaching.

I don't know anyone. that teaches it quite like that. They may say that you're born again the moment of your prayer. I don't argue with that. But they would say that if you're truly born again, there'll be a change in your life.

If they deny even that, And simply say, if you pray this prayer, God, forgive me for my sins, I believe Jesus died for my sins and rose from the dead, and you're in. And there's never a change in your life. There's never repentance of any kind. There's never bearing fruits of repentance. There's no evidence of a new birth.

There's no evidence that Jesus is your Lord. There's no evidence you've passed from darkness to nothing. And you live on 30, 40 more years in sin and rebellion. Obviously, I would say that person was never born again, and the person that counseled them was terribly misled.

Now, are they themselves saved? God knows. But that doctrine itself. Is a misleading and damnable and destructive doctrine.

So perhaps, Andrew, and I've got to run just out of time here. Perhaps, sir, on the fringes. of the non-lordship salvation movement. There are those who are truly denying the Lord and truly outside the pale of faith. But if they hold to other fundamentals of the gospel and just have a wrong emphasis, I would look at them as brothers and sisters.

For indeed Correction. Hey, thanks for the call and thanks for the unity that we enjoy in Jesus. Friends, I'm taking calls for 60 more minutes. If you're on the phone right now, hold on because we're getting your calls right on the next side of the hour. Everyone else, keep listening at the lineoffire.com.

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But I'm diving straight into your calls right now, and we'll start in McKee, Kentucky with Sean. Welcome to the line of fire. Thank you, sir. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

Okay, great. I want to thank you for taking my call. About a year and a half ago, you had a critics call in day pretty much it was Apostolic Pentecostals calling attack in the Trinity, and I just want to thank you for how you defended that. it really increased my faith On um Defending the Trinity. But I have two quick questions.

The first, and I'm just going to use you an example. You are, if I'm not mistaken, believe in a post rib rafi, is that correct? Yeah, if if there is a specific seven year All right. Tribulation, then the second coming will be at the end of that.

So, whatever the end of this world is, the second coming will be at the end of that. Yes, sir. Okay. Well, you believe in the post crib rupture. I'm not sure if you're aware of Mark Hitchcock from Dallas Theological Seminary.

He is a he believes in a pre-trib rapture. And Hank Canagraff, the Bible answer man, he believes in no rapture. Basically, my first question is, there's three, me and you, Hank Handegrass, Mark Hedgecott, that I have extreme respect for. You read the same information, read the same Bible. but come to three different conclusions My main question is, how do I know that my interpretation of the Bible was correct.

The second question Yeah, go ahead. No, go ahead. In a ZQ. Chapter nine and ten, it mentions A man clothed in white. And I just wanted to know if that was a Old Testament appearance of Christ.

Right, in Ezekiel nine and ten, you don't mean Daniel. Um Ezekiel.

Okay. Ezekiel chapter nine, verse two. Got it. Right. So let's just look there first, because of course you have certain angelic appearances in...

In Daniel as well.

So, who's the man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side? And they mark those, they put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it. In this vision, Was the man symbolizing a prophet? Was it an angel? Or was it an appearance of Jesus?

There's nothing in it. That would tell me it's an appearance of Jesus. It could be. You do have the Son of God appearing in angelic form in other ways. The fact that he's dressed in linen, Does that symbolize the Son of God?

That would be a stretch to me. It's possible. But that to me would be a stretch, frankly. As for the differences. To in terms of end times, I would say that indicates that we're talking about future events.

when we don't have as full clarity, because God tends not to give prophecy in such clarity that we can figure out every detail and then almost try to manufacture it or figure out specific dates and things like that. Just like with the first coming of the Messiah, things became overwhelmingly clear once he came and did what he was called to do. Then you look back and open up the scriptures and you think, oh my God, it's so clear. There it is.

So how do we get ready for the future? O God of burning, cleansing flame. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34 TRUTH.

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That's why we do these shows on Friday. You've got questions. We've got answers. So back to Sean. In McKee, Kentucky, Sean, I trust you're still listening.

I want to give the heart of my answer. You have different views about the end times, different views about the return of Jesus. What do you do?

Well, first, as an individual believer, You still do your best to study and sort things out. the idea that there will not be a future second coming of any kind, The idea that there will not be a future resurrection of the righteous or anything like that. That is absolutely to be avoided and. Uh renounced as unscriptural. And certainly through all generations of church history, there has been emphasis on the return of Jesus and the looking forward to his return and clear scripture on that.

But the details of the return or the timing of the return and things like that, there's going to be debate. You say, well, how do I sort it out?

Well, let's be honest. Everybody that's lived up to now has lived with this as a speculative abstract question. as opposed to something that actually affects their life. For example, if I tell you That chicken will be available at a certain restaurant 300 years from now. And others say, no, no, it won't be available at that restaurant 300 years from now.

They say, what do I care? What do I care about chicken at a restaurant or oranges at a grocery store 300 years ago? They'll have it in stock, they won't have it. What do I care about? Who cares?

Obviously.

So The fact is, if we get into a battle. over this. And and tried it Specify every detail, everybody else is wrong, and only we are right. Obviously, that's a problem that's dangerous.

However, Let's flip this around. Let's flip this around. There are things that are important. It is important for us to know that Jesus will return. It is important for us to know that the wicked will be judged.

It is important to know that we will be changed. and that we will become, like him, glorified. It is important for us to live in purity. and in readiness and commit it to endure hardships.

So we know whether Jesus returns in our lifetimes or not, many believers are persecuted, some even to the death, and we must be strong in the Lord. We also know, whether Jesus comes in our lifetime or not, that none of us have a guarantee on the next breath, and therefore we should be ready to meet the Lord.

So what I encourage is this. Put your emphasis on the what rather than the when. Put your emphasis on what will happen when Jesus returns. The believers in the New Testament were longing for his appearing. Wanting him to come eagerly so they could be with him forever.

Wanting him to come so that wickedness would be destroyed from the earth and suffering would cease and the kingdom of God would be established.

So let's put our emphasis on the what rather than the when. And let's look at the larger things. Let us walk in sobriety. Let us be ready. It let us persevere in the midst of hardship and opposition.

and let us have great hope. that Jesus will return. That's certain. That's clear. in Scripture.

And that's what I think we need to emphasize. That's what I know we need to emphasize. 866-34TRUTH. Let's go to Chillicoppy, Ohio. AJ.

Welcome to the line of fire. Shalom, Dr. Brown. How are you, sir? I'm doing well, shalom.

Yeah. I am a United Methodist pastor who has recently, the last few years, taken a strong interest in the Hebrew Roots movement. Um And I I there's that that Jewish proverb, who is a wise man, he who learns from everyone. Yes. you know, studying the the the feasts and and and all of that.

I don't want to waste your time. Um But I'm dealing, I'm a Methodist pastor, so I'm firmly entrenched in the mainline Christian community. Um And I end up uh living with one foot in both worlds. the mainline Christian community and the Jewish roots or the Hebrew roots movement. And I meet a lot of angry messianics.

It's almost a stereotype at this point.

Someone who says, Oh, you go to church on Sunday, then you worship the sun god, and you're pagan, and you're evil, and you're horrible. Um Do you have any advice for dealing with those people in a good Christian manner, in a way with of love and truth? Yes, sir. First, it's unfortunate you've had that experience. As one who's worked and served in the Messianic Jewish movement for decades, I would say that represents an extreme fringe.

And it's unfortunate those are the ones you keep running into. But that absolutely represents an extreme fringe. And the messianic leaders that I'm friendly with work actively with the church as a whole. do not believe that God commanded Gentiles to worship on the the Sabbath. And it's great if you want to, but they see it as a specific sign and covenant with Israel.

And that's why they'll have Messianic congregations with services on Friday night or Sunday morning for the Sabbath. But I have Messianic Jewish friends that have services Friday night and Sunday morning, so they can minister to the larger church community as well. I have messianic friends who have messianic services. On a monthly basis in the midst of a megachurch, and otherwise they participate in the life of the church. For many years, when I would travel and speak at a messianic congregation, maybe the messianic congregation was smaller with limited finances, and they needed help setting up a weekend of meetings.

And they would set things up, or I would do meetings for them on Friday night or Saturday morning, and then speak at churches in the area Sunday morning, Sunday night. And they were all friends. They all worked together.

So I can say that you're running into fringe people. with spiritual immaturity. And the biggest issue is the spiritual immaturity. I I would also would also find out Why is this such a big deal to them? That's always a good way to diffuse things, as you know, as a pastor and leader, that if you can diffuse the controversy, say, hey, why do you feel so strongly about this?

Why do you feel so passionately about this? And they might say, well, church history, it's departed from Jewish roots, and look what's happened. Oh, that's a great point. to the extent that the church did depart from its Jewish roots, to the extent the church said that we are the new Israel and God is through with physical Israel. to the extent that the church cut itself off and cut out the Jewish believers from the body unless they conformed to a a totally new Christian practice, it did itself terrible harm and it opened the doors to horrific anti-Semitism through church history.

That is undeniable. And if you haven't read my book, Our Hands Are Stained with Blood, I'd really encourage you to do so. Not only will it Give you some insight into the positive Jewish roots teaching, but it will give you church history through Jewish eyes. And when you see it like that, you could understand why there can be the frustration, the anger. But I imagine some of these, quote, angry messianics you deal with aren't even Jewish.

I imagine some of them have taken on a Jewish identity and it's kind of a hyper compensating for the fact that they're not Jews themselves. Yeah, they they all seem to be Gentiles and um they're They're furious that I celebrate And then I go to church on Sunday. I also celebrated Yom Kippur today, or this year. I fasted for the whole day and uh fellowship with a uh a wonderful uh messianic group um at the end of the the fast Um But I there's just some who are just so angry with me. Yeah, it's it's it's look, it is an overcompensating for the fact that they are are not even Jewish themselves and they're now identifying as Jews.

What we tend to see in the Messianic movement, because most of the congregations have more Gentiles than Jews because of logistics of where people live. And it's only in a heavily populated Jewish area or in Israel where you'll have more Jews than Gentiles in a Messianic congregation. But what you'll normally see. is the ones that dress in the super Jewish way, like a guy that grows a beard and gets this black outfit and does this whole thing that he's not even Jewish. That he has now gotten into this soulish thing of an outward identity.

And because of that, there's going to be all kinds of flesh with it.

So, AJ, let me encourage you to hang out with Messianic Jewish believers that love the Lord and love the church, and there are plenty of them. And I'm sure you can find them all over Ohio as well. They're great communities in different parts of the state. I've got dear friends in the Columbus area. And if you haven't read my book, Our Hands Are Stained with Blood.

That'll Sensitized even further, although you probably know a lot of these things. And then my book, 60 Questions Christians Ask About Jewish Beliefs and Practices. 60 questions Christians Ask About Jewish Beliefs and Practices. You're dealing with folks who are reactionary and immature, and they're misinformed as well. All right, God bless you, AJ.

Grace on your journey. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr.

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Before I go back to the phones, there is an article posted on unitedwithisrael.org. And Donald Trump, President Trump had an interview with Israel Hayom, Israel today, exclusive interview with them before his meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu next week. And he As far as moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, He said, I'm studying the embassy issue and we'll see what happens. The embassy is not an easy decision. It has obviously been out there for many, many years, and nobody has wanted to make that decision.

I'm thinking about it very seriously. We'll see what happens. I hope that's not a moving back from the absolute guarantee. That he would move it. As for the new Israeli settlements, He said that they don't help the peace process.

I can say that. There's so much land left. Every time you take land for settlements, there's less land left. But we're looking at that. We're looking at some other options.

We'll see. But no, I'm not somebody that believes that going forward with these settlements is a good thing for peace. No, I don't want to condemn Israel. Israel's had a long history of condemnation and difficulty, and I don't want to be condemning Israel. They've been through a lot.

I would like to see peace and beyond that. I think that peace for Israel would be a good thing for the Israeli people, not just a good thing, but a great thing. Obviously nothing specific in any of that, except for yeah, I don't like the settlements, but I'm not condemning Israel. 866-34-TRUTH. We go to Andrew in New York.

Welcome to the line of fire. Oh, thanks, Dr. Brown. It's a real pleasure to talk with you. I hope you're keeping warm.

Yeah, well, that's the plan. I had a pact for Florida and for Canada, so. That's the plan to stay warm. Saskatoon was. I didn't realize it was as far north uh as it was.

Yeah, and as f as far uh as far west also, it's uh Central Standard Time over here. Yeah, there you go. Um I really want to just let you know that thanks for taking my call and also how much I appreciate your work and that you are a real inspiration. I'm almost as old as you are and We actually come from similar backgrounds. Not that I'm Jewish, but I am from New York and grew up around the same time period.

So with that in mind, uh I I I've been watching um or listening and and and studying a little bit about the the Calvinist idea of sovereignty in in in I've always felt that, um, God was sovereign, but I've been trying to find out and understand where the idea of choice comes in in a Calvinist point of view. And I I've seen your uh debates with uh Dr. White. And I've listened to Dr. White.

I think he's great, actually. I think he has a great love for bringing out the Word of God and evangelizing. But I don't understand Where our part, it's not synergism is as I see what he continually hammers at. but that it's actually we have choices. And I don't hear him talk about when it's our turn to choose God.

rather than pagan idols or some other thing. that that it isn't part of our our responsibility in doing, I think I've heard him say it's a creaturely choice. not a fact of sovereignty and Well, I tell you what, I am absolutely confused. Yeah, first, Andrew, thanks for the kind words and glad that we've been a blessing to you. As for Dr.

White's specific beliefs and beliefs of Calvinism, It's obviously best for him to clarify what's unclear, but generally speaking. You're looking at a few things with Calvinism. One is that ultimately Everything happens according to the decree of God. That God set things in motion a certain way to get a certain outcome. And therefore, whatever happens, even tragedy and evil happens because God ultimately ordained it.

He himself is not evil. And he would not be the author of evil, but you would quote, for example, Lamentations 3, has disaster come to a city and the Lord has not done it. that Calvinists would say People may make certain choices, but God's choice is ultimately what's going to come to pass.

So they would say that on the large level. James would say if you put on a particular tie today when you're going to work. or bought a particular toothbrush at at the store That is insignificant, is it? seemed that God was ultimately at work, and that things again were unfolding according to the sovereign decree of God. If you look at it, that there were 10 trillion bowling pins.

And he threw that one ball in such a way to set them in motion to ultimately get them to the inevitable result that he chose to at the end. The exact number of people in heaven and hell will be exactly what he predetermined before the world was made.

Now, a Calvinist would make... A distinction between choices we can make in a creaturely way. Like what tie you wear or what toothpaste you buy, and choosing God or salvation. They would say, in our fallen, rebellious state, we would never choose God on our own. We would never choose salvation on our own.

And I agree to the extent that the Holy Spirit has to pull us, the Holy Spirit has to draw us, the Holy Spirit has to. Give us even the desire to turn, and then we make the choice. where I would give her, obviously. is I believe that God ultimately gets What he ordained, which is a people for himself that will love him and serve him forever. but that many things happen in this world contrary to God's desire, and these things grieve him.

And that he set that up, he set up the universe knowing that in advance.

So as the sovereign God, this is the way he set things up. A.W. Tozer said this, and I quoted it in one of my debates with my friend Dr. White. God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice.

And then for the beginning. has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. when he chooses to do evil, He does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God, but fulfills it. inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make, but that he should be free to make it. If in his absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, Who is there to stay his hand, or say, What doest thou?

Man's will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon his creatures, he would be afraid to do so. I found that to be a very powerful quote, and one with which I agree.

Now, last comment, Andrew. From a human viewpoint, every choice you make is the choice you're making. the toothpaste you buy, the tie that you put on. calling the show or not calling the show. believing in Jesus or not believing in Jesus.

From a human viewpoint, every choice we make is our own. The Calvinists would say that ultimately God is the one who ordained these choices, especially as far as salvation, and set them in motion. And when he saves us, he now puts a desire in our heart to love God, because of which we do love God.

So we are actually doing it. even though God is behind it.

Someone else would say, well, ultimately that's making us into robots. Of course, Calvinists strongly differ with that idea, but you can understand how some people could understand Calvinism in that regard.

So hopefully. that explains things you'd always call Dr. White's the body line. and get him to explain as well, but I hope and think. I have been fair to what he believes.

If not, he'll let me know. God bless you, Andrew. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

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Hi, Doctor Brown. Hey, you have a uh uh question, you know, um Very uh very uh I I call it special question 'cause uh it's about Oh oh well. Dina, you teach Yeah yeah. It's about the service, I I have a question. Yeah, go ahead.

I come from a church that they they teach you There is something Doctoring the teacher law. how the women are supposed to be dressed, what they're supposed to wear. And according to that, the teacher like you save By you doing that. Mm-hmm. You see, let's say you don't women don't wear makeup, don't wear ears, don't wear pants.

you you you say you're fine. But if you if you were pan United States. Got it. Yeah, Ivan, that's what you call legalism. That's what you know.

religion from the outside in. That's what you call rules without relationship or laws without love or standards without a savior. That's what you call going beyond the word. and putting your traditions first. In point of fact, we're saved through what Jesus did.

And when we put our trust in what Jesus did and ask him to save us from our sins, and now give our lives over to him. We are saved. even if we may not be perfectly mature or fully developed spiritually yet, or still making mistakes, which all of us are going to do. And there's no question that the Bible teaches strongly against sexual immorality. There's no question that there are many warnings in the Bible about adultery, about fornication, about lust.

There's no question that the Bible recognizes the... The temptations that exist with sexual issues. Sex is something very powerful, sexual attraction, very powerful, made to be lived out in the context of male-female marriage, lifelong union as God intended. But having said that, the Bible does talk about modesty for sure, and it encourages women. to dress modestly.

The greater temptation on the woman is going to be to dress immodestly so as to get male attention. The greater temptation for the man is going to be to lust after women more than to dress immodestly.

So there's a lot of talk about men and lustful eyes and women and not being seductive.

So yeah, by all means, encourage modesty. But no, no, no, no. We don't judge salvation. Based on whether someone wears makeup or not. Let's say a woman.

is is saved And she puts on real heavy makeup because it's part of her background and she's trying to get all the young guys to check her out. She wears this heavy makeup and clothes too tight. Oh, sit her down and say, hey, sister, you have a beauty that comes from the inside. You have a beauty that's spiritual. And just don't.

You don't want to dress like a prostitute and draw attention to yourself. Just be more modest. The older sisters encourage her. That's the way you do it, but Ivan, that's legalism there. That's legalism, and it hurts a lot of people.

Oh God of burning, cleanse. Yeah. Say And the fire. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Thanks for being part of the broadcast today, 866. three for truth. Hey Ivan, one one more point.

I preached a series of messages for God TV, sixteen. 30-minute broadcast on Tuesday and Wednesday in Orlando, Florida. That's why I was there. And they will begin broadcasting what's called the Word on Fire. That will be in March.

So coming your way. Oh, less than a month from now, I think they're going to start. We can't wait. I think the Lord was really in these shows and they're going to be powerful. But I preached about holiness and about the fire of God and repentance.

I also preached about the dangers of legalism and explained how legalism judges you by several specific externals. And based on that, it's going to declare you righteous or it's going to damn you to hell. And often it's specific customs a particular church will have. And it may be that the Lord worked in one generation some deep convictions. And the ladies used to wear pants and they feel, that's not right.

I'm going to wear a dress. And they used to wear heavy makeup and they thought, that's not right. I'm not wearing any makeup. And they used to have long, beautiful. Excuse me, long, beautiful hair, wear it down, they say, ah, that looks too alluring.

I'm going to wear it up in a bun. And that's how the Lord dealt with them in their own lives. Maybe they're very worldly and seductive women.
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