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Enemies Within the Church Part 2: The Grand Scheme

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January 28, 2022 7:00 pm

Enemies Within the Church Part 2: The Grand Scheme

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January 28, 2022 7:00 pm

GUEST: MICHAEL O’FALLON, Founder, Sovereign Nations

Everywhere you look—government, education, media, entertainment, corporate America, and yes, the evangelical church—a toxic ideology has seeped in and overtaken the country.

Called “critical theory” or “social justice” or “woke-ism”, the ideology casts whites, males, Christians, and heterosexuals as oppressors and their opposites as victims in need of liberation, justice, and equity. The “system” must be blown up and rebuilt.

It’s not surprising when non-Christians believe and propagate these lies but it’s another story when Evangelical leaders and churches become “allies” in the social justice movement. You might hear something like “church boards need to diversify” or “seminaries need books from BIPOC authors” (Black Indigenous People of Color) and not just from a “white perspective”.

The social justice movement has become so pervasive so quickly that it seems like there’s a coordinated effort to transform Evangelical Christianity.

Michael O’Fallon, the founder of Sovereign Nations and a featured guest in the Enemies Within: The Church documentary, joins us on The Christian Worldview to explain how the social justice movement began and who is behind it...

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enemies within the church part 2 the grand scheme that is a topical discussed today right here on the Christian worldview radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ I'm David Wheaton the host and our website is Thank you for joining us today and for your support of this listener supported ministry and also to our national sponsor Samaritan Ministries who provide a biblical solution to healthcare. Everywhere you look, whether it's government, education, media, entertainment, corporate America, and yes, the evangelical church, a toxic ideology has seeped in and overtaken this country. Called critical theory or social justice or woke ism the ideology cast whites males Christians and heterosexuals as oppressors and their opposites as victims in need of liberation justice and equity. The quote unquote system must be blown up and rebuilt. Now it's not surprising when non Christians believe in propagate these lies, but it's another story when evangelical leaders and churches become quote unquote allies in the social justice movement.

You might hear something like quote church boards need to diversify unquote or quote seminaries need books from BIPOC authors unquote BIPOC meaning black indigenous people of color and not just quote unquote white authors. The social justice movement has become so pervasive so quickly that it seems like a coordinated effort to transform evangelical Christianity. Last week we heard from the executive producer of the film enemies within the church.

One of the guests in the film is named Trevor Loudon believe he's from New Zealand, and he's an expert on dealing with communists and socialists infiltration into societies. Here's what he has to say in the film about the coordinated effort against the church. Even before the Bolshevik Revolution, American communists and socialists were plotting to bring this country down. And one of the very first communist fronts formed in America, the Methodist Federation for socialist action was formed by Professor Harry Ward from union the theological seminary, and he spread communist doctrines right through the Protestant churches in America. Now the enemies of America understood that America was a very strong country, and that the churches with a backbone of America. So how are you going to destroy America, you have to do it from the inside, and you have to get inside the churches.

That's exactly what has taken place. This Marxist based ideology of critical race theory, social justice, whatever you want to call it is now not only in the mainline denominations that are way off the board years and decades ago, but now within the once biblical evangelical church in this country. Again, that was from the film enemies within the church and this next soundbite is also from the documentary, just to give you a flavor of what this ideology sounds like when it is preached from the pulpit this woman can't remember what her name was, but this is typical of one who has swallowed the lie of critical race theory and applied it to the Bible. Jesus was legit the most privileged and most powerful human on earth, and he gave it all up. And if you follow a white Jesus, man I think God wants to do something to your heart today. Let Jesus rob you of what you have always thought to be true.

Let him rob you of your privilege. Let him rob you so that you can see clearly the kingdom of heaven and what it's supposed to look like as we embrace our black brothers and sisters and and those that are suffering from oppression every single day. Jesus is for everyone. Jesus is for justice. Jesus spoke out against governments against injustice. I think it would be difficult to get a soundbite that better exemplifies what this critical race theory sounds like in this Christian sounding language use references of the Bible about Jesus that he was full of privilege and power.

He gave it all up just as you need to give it all up especially if you're white. If you're following a white Jesus you're going the wrong way. The reason for Jesus is to liberate the oppressed. That's this ideology. That's really liberation theology. The communists have used this to a T. The Bible and Jesus are not about the salvation of individual souls, but about the salvation of communities and nations and the oppressed.

If you have enemies within the church, this two-hour documentary that so well describes how this movement of social justice has just upended the evangelical church, you can order it on our website for a donation of any amount to the ministry or call us 1-888-646-2233. Just this week, a story came out that the Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer is retiring. This from the Patriot Post that said 83-year-old Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer, who was a Bill Clinton appointee, is being forcibly retired by partisans after nearly 28 years on the high court. The lack of an official announcement this week from the court itself is remarkable, and it tells us a great deal, namely that Breyer himself wasn't ready to make the announcement.

In a faux show of solidarity, Breyer will attend Joe Biden's remarks on his retirement, but make no mistake, he's being put out to pasture. He's being kicked to the curb in favor of an as-yet-unnamed black woman. So it goes in the race-obsessed world of the left. This is critical race theory applied to who he will appoint for a Supreme Court Justice, and that relates exactly to what we heard in that last soundbite. Everything must be driven within a racial framework. As a matter of fact, President Biden said this very thing when he was campaigning for president.

Just listen to this. I committed that if I'm elected president and have an opportunity to appoint someone to the courts, I'll appoint the first black woman to the courts. It's required that they have representation now.

It's long overdue. Secondly, if I'm elected president, my cabinet, my administration will look like the country, and I commit that I will in fact appoint a — I'll pick a woman to be vice president. There are a number of women who are qualified to be president tomorrow.

I would pick a woman to be my vice president. It's amazing that you can be so blatantly racist and discriminatory and sexist. I'm going to appoint a black woman to the court. I'm going to appoint a female vice president in our day and age and just get away with it. I mean, that's literally against the law to do hiring based on someone's race. But apparently there's no accountability for this kind of statement, and he's already followed through on half of it with appointing Kamala Harris as his running mate. Like the woman who was speaking earlier, there's no more obvious example in the political realm of critical race theory than what Joe Biden just said. It's discriminatory, it's illegal, it's racist, and it's demeaning. I mean, shouldn't we try to find the most qualified justice to interpret our Constitution? I mean, will a black female justice rule more in favor of black women, therefore against non-black women?

Is the law interpreted differently if one is black and female? That's what is called standpoint epistemology. Our guest today in the program will get into what that is. Epistemology is how we know what we know.

You've heard this term lived experience as if that's a basis for truth. That's critical race theory. What Joe Biden is saying is we need the perspective of a black person and a female black person on the Supreme Court so that the law can be interpreted correctly.

It can't be interpreted correctly without these diverse racial perspectives on the court. Now, I don't want to get down that road too much here because I want to get back to the film Enemies Within the Church and our guest for the day. His name is Michael O'Fallon. He's the founder of Sovereign Nations, and he's also a featured guest in the film Enemies Within the Church. He joins us today in the Christian Real View to explain how the social justice movement began.

Where did this all come from and what is the grand scheme behind it? I think you will find his perspective very compelling and one that goes a long way toward explaining what is going on right now. Mike, thank you for coming on the Christian Real View radio program today. Tell us how you came to saving faith in Christ and what you do at Sovereign Nations. I was baptized a Catholic, but then it was somewhere in my mid-20s.

I think I was 25 or 26. I started to attend a midweek Bible study. In that midweek Bible study, which is where I met my, eventually, who would be my wife, we did a Bible study in Galatians.

In Galatians was a verse-by-verse expository exegetical study. I began to really wrestle with some of the things that I had seen in conflict in the Roman Catholic Church. When I say that, in the Roman Catholic Church, I was very much involved. My family was either employed by the Roman Catholic Church. I have an uncle that was a priest, but I had been struggling with some things in terms of the Roman Catholic Church moving in a progressive direction, especially when I was at the University of Florida.

We saw some things that just didn't jive. I ended up going to a more conservative Catholic Church just outside of town, where the priest was very open about the influence of Marx and Hegel and the dialectic actually within the Catholic Church. For many years, I think I was prepared for then what would be a real, true invasion of the Lord Jesus Christ in my life through that Bible study in Galatians, where I understood that it was not by my work that I could do anything. It was simply by the grace of Christ. Through that, then, I basically had a Luther moment. I thought it was my job to basically try to convert as many people as possible. I left the Catholic Church.

That was very, very difficult for my family. Then, I started to really get involved in Christian apologetics. When I got involved in Christian apologetics, I started doing conferences and debates and so forth. This is going back to 1999. Then, eventually, that led me to start a company that would do conferences and cruises.

I would use all the profits to continue then to put on my own conferences and debates. I think that that's how I got to know you, David. Then, how did Sovereign Nations come about? Well, David, there was a time, I think, when I met you back in 2009. That was about the time that I also started to pick up a number of other clients, some of which had attachments to folks that were very much in favor of what was happening with the Chinese Communist Party. Some of these folks were attached to organizations like the World Economic Forum, the Asia Society, and the Council on Foreign Relations. We started doing some of their meetings. We started mixing with those people.

A lot of those folks, they became friends and clients, but through that time, I started to hear a lot of things and, as well, started to understand that there were other plans. There were some things that were coming down the pike in the next decade that could change everything. The way that those things would take place would be really not just a question of bringing in ideologies into the church. This was really a meta-system change. In other words, everything had to change. Education had to change. The economy had to change. The way in which we have our system of government had to change.

We were going from really a national system to a supranational system. To have these changes take place in a technological or technocratic way, we also had to start to phase our faith, as well as all faiths, not just Christianity. Every single faith in the world had to start to change and basically develop the same ideological, theological paradigms. This was back between 2009 to 2013 and really creating a new faith, if you will, in an ecumenical sense. That was my first introduction to a lot of these things. Sovereign nations, I started trying to tell a lot of my clients that were in Christianity, a lot of my clients that were in politics, as well as a lot of folks that I was involved in business with, that these changes were coming and we had to do something about it.

Unfortunately, most people, because it sounds crazy, when you bring this and say, look, there's going to be this thing. It's like a total reset of the world that will be coming. I would encourage some of them to read Richard Florida's book that he wrote in 2009, 2008 really is when he wrote it, called The Great Reset. It really explained what the plans would be eventually in terms of the complete reset of everything that we have.

Every paradigm changed. People would look at me as if I'd kind of lost my mind and they'd say, okay, Mike, well, that would never happen in Christianity. That would never happen really in America.

We'd never allow that to happen. But then you would start to see, especially from 2012 all the way through about 2017, you'd see a real hard press to begin to really transition, especially within Christianity, from a gospel oriented, really an exegetical faith. Our faith, of course, is defined in our confessions kind of Christianity, but then all of a sudden moving towards a Christianity that is really focused more on social justice.

Now, I had a meeting at the Southern Baptist Convention about 12 years ago, where myself as well, brother Tom Askel was with me, and we were having dinner with men by the name of Ed Stetzer. And during that meeting, Ed was saying the same things that I was hearing from my Chinese counterparts that were my clients, basically, that there's a change coming, that there's nothing you can do about. Everything's going to be changing. We need to move in our paradigms to what truth works, as opposed to just an objective approach to faith and to truth.

So I'm hearing all the same things that I'd heard from others. And it really started to make me question. But as I tried to explain to a lot of my brothers in ministry, and so forth, I understand there's a cognitive dissonance, that can't be something that's happening here.

It wouldn't happen here. But in fact, it did. By the time we got to 2017, I pretty much determined that no other ministry that I was affiliated with was going to take this on. So I began Sovereign Nations.

And first conference that I had, I did have James White. And then as well, Jordan Peterson, and people would be going, in the world, would you have Jordan Peterson, because Jordan knows exactly what's going on, and how it works. So we need to start explaining these things to everybody.

And that's really where Sovereign Nations found its niche. The Christian worldview with David Wheaton returns in just a moment. What happened to the church? How do you break down American Christianity? Whiteness has caused blindness of heart! That message that they're going out and taking the world is not, you need to repent of your sin, receive Christ.

Instead, the message that you actually have is, they are under the weight of racism, or sexism, or homophobia. The proceeding is from Enemies Within the Church, a two hour documentary film that exposes how social justice ideology is infecting the church. You can order the DVD for a donation of any amount to the Christian worldview. Go to or call 1-888-646-2233 or write to Box 401 Excelsior, Minnesota 55331.

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Just go to our website, or call us at 1-888-646-2233. You brought something up about this great reset or that everything must change. That's obviously a very big statement. Tell us more about what this paradigm shift is that is being foisted on every institution, every element of society that we just have to change or else.

What exactly is that Michael? A lot of times you take a look at something like a world war and you would say, okay, well now it's time to change everything in terms of how our governments work, how our economies work, how transportation is done, how security works, but you're almost using more so what happened during the French Revolution. The French Revolution, of course, was very much on the bedrock of the ideas, thoughts, and so forth of Rousseau.

Then you have Robespierre and the Jacobins that overthrew the king. They basically took over the entire government of France. They declared that there would need to be a new social contract between the people and the government, the rights of man, and they declared it year one.

Same thing that Paul Pott did when he took over Cambodia in 1975. He basically said everything must change and he declared year zero. Well, in this sense, we're really having a year zero moment starting in about 2020 using the pandemic as the reason, but saying everything must change and it must change now. So these changes that were happening, let's say ideologically and theologically within the Roman Catholic Church or within Protestant Evangelicalism, all of this was happening at the same time as an operational preparation of the environment. In other words, you're preparing the environment for a change that will eventually happen. So you begin to infuse into everything, critical race theory, the concepts of intersectionality, radical subjectivism.

All these things start to move into the consciousness of everyone all the time. It comes in through education, through all the models of our schools, through our universities, through our seminaries. It comes in through the corporate influence, beginning to talk about things like microaggressions, talking about how we need to have diversity, equity, and inclusion in all of our companies.

Then that same language is used everywhere. So you would hear the language of diversity, equity, inclusion, let's say with a company like Coca-Cola or let's say like Apple computers. You'll hear the DEI language, but then you'll see the same thing being uttered by someone like Matt Chandler saying that we need to make sure that we bring in diversity, equity, and inclusion into our church and into our faith and have him start to talk about things like white privilege, the idea from Peggy McIntosh back in the 1980s. So you're bringing in this neo-Marxist language into everything. So when it's coming into the church, the same sort of language is being used with people when they're watching a television commercial or when they're watching the NFL or when they're watching films now, where films are becoming very intersectional in the way that they're casted, even if they're period pieces making an intersectional film.

So all these things begin to come in for a reason, and the reason is because everybody has to have a new paradigm of thought when they're moving into eventually what is a complete reset of everything that we do into a new system. Well, that gives great context for what we're going to discuss today with this film, Enemies Within the Church, and what they present there as critical race theory, social justice, wokeism, however you want to say it, how that has really infiltrated the evangelical church. And thanks for giving us kind of the meta-narrative there of this bigger movement that's even taking place outside the church that is influencing the church as well. Michael Fallon with us today here on The Christian Worldview.

I want to read a blurb off your website,, for this series that you did on a rooftop in New York City called The Trojan Horse Series. You interviewed the co-founders of the new discourses reading off your site here, Dr. Peter Boghossian and Dr. James Lindsay, and they were talking about what you just discussed, the societal and institutional deconstruction being introduced throughout civilization under the banner of so-called social justice. Boghossian tells us every organization he has ever loved has been infected and taken over by this parasitic ideology. The rise of the primary tools of deconstructionism is not uncommon among other Christian denominations, secular universities, STEM fields, knitting clubs, boy scouts, medical fields, and corporations. Social justice, paradigm shifting presence is nearly everywhere, and that's absolutely everywhere in society today. Then you go on to say it comes in as a type of analytical tool. Remember that phrase used at the Southern Baptist Convention by Curtis Woods a couple of years ago as they introduced that proposal on using critical race theory as an analytical tool for the convention. It's offered with the intention of helping to better quote-unquote the oppressed in issues of race, sex, gender, sexuality, and other identities that haven't always had a fair shake in life.

And then it does exactly what it has always claimed to do. It makes the personal political. In fact, it makes everything political, and the only politics it is interested in are identity politics. So talk more about why this particular ideology of critical race theory, wokeism, whatever you want to say, why has this been able to be so effective when it's clearly so racist? It just demeans white people.

It's so partial in the way it views people by skin color. How is it so effective that people don't just see it and say, that's ridiculous, that's so wrong? I'm sure everybody's been in a situation before in church or in their job or in some sort of societal group that you're part of, where someone comes up to you and makes a completely false accusation of you, right?

Now, most of us that are Christians, we would hear something that's completely false and think, well, is that true of me? So we start to try to think through what they're being told. But basically, what they're being told is that you and the system, the white system is responsible for the enslavement and the oppression of people through the centuries.

So what they're talking about is that they need to make a system change. So when you refer to something like critical race theory, critical race theory is basically the dynamite that you put underneath the building and in the building. When you want to blow up and let's say raise a building and take down one of the old casinos in Las Vegas, so you can build a new one. So you blow up the building at its foundations with CRT, and then you build it back up again, but upside down with intersectionality, because intersectionality basically is, if you will, it's a postmodern construction.

And if you've ever seen postmodern architecture before, you'll always see that it's all sorts of strange shapes that I don't even know how that thing stays up. Well, that's basically what intersectionality is. So you're destroying everything in society and then building it back up, build back better, if you will, ideologically, it's the same thing. So as we're going through these systems changes, where everything's being blown up, talk about a supply chain issue. Well, why do we have a supply chain issue? We have a supply chain issue because we're making everything in the supply chain problematic. We're making it difficult to make sure that trucks are able to actually get into the ports. They're able to unload and then deliver those goods to your grocery store, to your Best Buy, let's say. You're not able to do those things because all of a sudden you have draconian rules that are applying to people because of the pandemic. Or that the Longshoreman Union, there's an issue there.

Everybody must get vaccinated. Your goal in the end is to create a completely autonomous port like what you would have in China without one person. Well, now think about that and think about what you're now doing within the faith. You're deconstructing evangelical Christianity. And what you're doing is you're saying this hierarchy and this way of doing things, really, we need to rethink the way that we're doing things. So this whole idea where you only have pastors that are male, well, we need to really maybe restructure the hierarchy.

And so you start to mess around with things like this. And a lot of these concepts come from Michel Derrida, French postmodernist. And as well, you have Michel Foucault, who also factors in, who as well as a postmodernist that just looks at power relationships. So if you're looking at it, you're saying, I need to remove this male white dominated power structure and replace it with something else. So you use another concept called standpoint epistemology to say in Christianity, well, how do you know that your Bible says this? Who is it that helped you to understand that this is the approach to, let's say, the Book of Ephesians or the Book of Galatians?

How do we know that this is a proper interpretation? Well, they'll say the problem is you only have a bunch of old white men that guided that process. So what you really need to do is you need to bring in those that are the oppressed.

So you need to bring in someone who is African-American, someone who's possibly Arabic, someone who's, let's say, Latino. And they need to take a fresh approach to that scripture. And so what you're doing is you're applying standpoint epistemology to hermeneutics and you have standpoint hermeneutics. And that's what you're seeing actually happening with groups such as the Gospel Coalition. You're seeing that at some of our major seminaries, such as Southern Baptist Theological Seminary with Dr. Jarvis Williams, that approach. So while you're saying we still believe in inerrancy.

But what you're saying is I do not believe that the interpretation that has been provided is one that is sound because the epistemological method that was used in hermeneutics is wrong. Michael O'Fallon with us today on The Christian Royal View, the founder of Sovereign Nations. He's linked to their organizations, linked at our website, Also one of the featured guests in the film we're offering today, Enemies Within the Church. You can order that film for a donation of any amount to The Christian Royal View. Just go to, our website, or call us 1-888-646-2233.

You can also write to us and we'll give you our address later in the broadcast today. A couple years ago, I think it was back in 2019, I was at the Shepherds Conference in California. This is at John MacArthur's Church, Grace Community Church. For those who don't know about this is a large pastors and elders conference.

Men only come from all over the world, usually four or five thousand men. And it's a very significant, influential conference. John MacArthur preaches, typically Steve Lawson. From that time, 2019 and before that, almost every year you would have Al Mohler, the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. You'd have Mark Dever, the pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington, D.C., also the founder of the Nine Marks Church Formation Planting Organization. Also, Ligon Duncan, the president of Reformed Theological Seminary Presbyterian. Those three, Mohler, Duncan and Dever, always at the conference with MacArthur and Steve Lawson and others. During a question and answer session at that conference, and I remember it like it was yesterday, all of a sudden this particular question came up from Phil Johnson, who is the head of Grace2U, works for John MacArthur, asked Al Mohler about the theological drift that has been taking place within more theologically conservative evangelicalism. And here was Al Mohler's response. Go back to what you said about incremental changes that promote that sort of liberalizing tendency and realize that just last year at both the Gospel Coalition and Together for the Gospel, I was hearing some rhetoric that actually I first heard from Jim Wallace and Sojourners 20, 30 years ago. And so I think what I'm asking you is, in fact, what I am asking you is, do you not see that the evangelical movement, even our constituency, the most conservative end of the evangelical movement, is becoming a little more susceptible to that? But Phil, you've known me for a long time. You know the answer to the question is yes, but I'm not going to be forced into a situation before thousands of people in which I have to say, I'm going to do it your way. Sorry.

I'm just not. And if that's a test of fellowship amongst us, this would be a good time to find out. This was like a nuclear bomb going off in Grace Community Church at the Shepherds Conference. This made news all around the world, at least in conservative evangelical circles. On that stage was MacArthur, Mohler, Duncan, Dever, Sinclair, Ferguson, and then Phil Johnson asked that question. There's a drift going on now, Mohler, and what do you think about this?

And this was at a time where social justice was beginning to be understood and kind of felt coming into the church, and people were kind of trying to figure out what's going on here. And so Phil Johnson asked this question, and Mohler's response, again, was just, whoa. It was very, very big pushback.

Don't expect me to go your way on this. Can you tell us what was taking place there? I was in Las Vegas at the time watching the Shepherds Conference and watching this Q&A on my laptop. That was the moment where basically Phil Johnson is coming straight out and saying, look, there is something that we are now seeing here and we're beginning to see it clearly. And this is about maybe nine months after we had met in Dallas to start the statement on social justice and the gospel. And so what he's saying at that point is, look, we already see that there's a problem. You have Al Mohler pushing back and saying, I'm not going to do it your way. Well, please explain what you mean by that and what is our way.

So if our way is to say this must stop and it must stop now and this all needs to end, that was probably something that the folks that had been pushing these things or encouraging these things incrementally for the past 10 years, they weren't willing to stop it as if they're stopping a giant locomotive. So what you've seen is you've seen folks that were involved with that conversation, like Dr. Mohler, basically doing something you would call the Motte and Bailey. And so the Motte and Bailey, if you've ever been and I know you've been to England numbers of times, but if you ever got to York, you have used to use or run tours that would take a look at the old Motte and Bailey. And what would happen is you would have the Castle Motte and so forth that would be there where you retreat to when you are losing the battle out of the grounds, which would be the Bailey out past the bridge and so forth. So when you're in the Bailey, you're going, you're driving hard, you have momentum, you're winning the war.

But if the other side starts to win, you retreat to the Motte. So what's happened since that conversation in 2019, I should say, is that you've had a number of these different folks that were involved in at least facilitating this move of bringing social justice as the prime epistemology by which we are all to be defined. You see them now retreat back to the Motte and then to say that they actually are posing it.

So they're gaslighting. But you saw Phil at that point really taking courage and coming out and confronting the issue. Mark Dever didn't want to say anything. It was very apparent.

Ligon really didn't want to address any issues. Moller, you know, with some amount of courage, decided that he would go ahead and take it on. But he would say that this is the time that we should find out if we're actually going to be able to fellowship anymore. So you had this whole bomb go off at the time. And this really did show, though, I think for a lot of people in 2017 and 2018 that were denying that any of these things were actually happening. It was a very, very bare moment, if you will, that, yes, this is happening and here are the signs. And so the question from that point is whether this is actually just in the church and whether this is something that we could just take care of. And if you knew that the fact that, and I tried to explain this to the folks in Dallas back in 2018, that soon all of this stuff, the plans were to go legislative with this ideology. And so you were preparing a church, and this is what's been happening, you're preparing a church that would accept that ideology. So from, let's say, the beginning of the time that you would have the Gospel Coalition. The Gospel Coalition, of course, that was founded by D.A. Carson and Tim Keller, basically acts as a dialectical machine that is by process, gradualistically, incrementally, bringing in concepts that are foreign to most evangelical Christians.

And eventually when you get seven, eight years down the road, because you've accepted a lot of the principles of being, let's say, anti-nationalist, let's say that you're accepting the principles of white privilege and that the main issue that we have to deal with right now is systemic racism. You start to accept in concepts like microaggressions in your worship, where you have Matt Chandler, who actually has a song in his church that they did that sings about their microaggressions. You start to bring these ideas into the church, and so what you do is you borrow from what was faithful, what was true, with, let's say, R.C. Sproul and John MacArthur, where you knew that the men that were standing up there on stage with them, you knew that those were faithful men because they chose them.

Well, then all of a sudden you start an organization and then you invite in those guys to come speak at your conference, you know, in R.C. Sproul, at John MacArthur, but eventually what you do is you create a simulacrum of what was true faith. Now you're creating something else that in the beginning resembles what that true Orthodox faith was, but by the time you get to 2018, 2019, it's a completely different thing.

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Short takes are also available and be sure to share with others. Now, back to today's program with host David Wheaton. Michael O'Fallon with us today on the Christian Worldview. Really listening closely here, Michael, because as I think about some of the names and organizations that you mentioned there, the Gospel Coalition, Tim Keller, well-known pastor and author out of Redeemer Church in New York City, D.A.

Carson. Russell Mohler is another one who is the head of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the political advocacy wing of the Southern Baptist Convention. No longer with them, now with Christianity Today.

That's another organization or publication that's very much on board with what the social justice movement's about. Then you have pastors like you mentioned, Matt Chandler, Village Church in Texas, or David Platt, McLean Bible Church out in Virginia. Thabiti Anyabwile, someone who was pastored at Mark Devers Church in Washington, D.C., the organization CREW, formerly Campus Crusade for Christ. You mentioned Ed Stetzer, who is involved in Wheaton College in Illinois and part of Christianity Today. Beth Moore. These are just the biggest names.

Albert Mohler, Legan Duncan, I mentioned Mark Devers as well, and there's many more beyond this. I'm just sitting here trying to think, how are they undiscerning as to what this is? Are they going along with it intentionally, knowing where it's going to go? You mentioned Ed Stetzer knows where it's going.

It sounds like he wants to go there. How do you explain the Colossians 2-8 question? See it to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. How do you process this that once formally respected, mostly biblical, they're not all in the same basket, but in the same wing of conservative evangelicalism, that there's been an incredible divide, maybe it's not even the right word. It's adjoining of all these together in some way to go a completely different direction than what you and others are writing about in the statement on social justice and the gospel. If I could explain it quickly, I think first of all, understand that I think one of the reasons that I had clarity on these issues is, again, as I was saying in the beginning of the show, we've already seen this happen in Roman Catholicism. So this period of what happened in Roman Catholicism from the late 70s, actually starting back in the 60s, going through to then making your way into Pope John Paul II, then Benedict to some extent yanked it back a little bit the other direction, and then all of a sudden when Pope Francis came in, it was full on Marxism. But when you look at what happened gradualistically within the church, starting at about the time that Dom Hélder Camara, who was a bishop from Rife in Brazil, he really had a tremendous impact, and what he brought in was this idea of really mixing socialism, kind of a light Marxism, a neo-Marxism, if you will, into the idea of the Roman Catholic faith. That was very much picked up by a gentleman who really, really would say that Dom Hélder Camara, this bishop from Rife, tremendous influence in the Roman Catholic church, especially in South America, the person that really attached himself to Dom Hélder Camara was a man by the name of Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum, and he would say that Dom Hélder Camara had a tremendous influence on his life.

You'll see that on a video. So the concepts of where Hélder Camara was going with this new approach to faith, this new role of religion, is really what has been accepted. If you'll see, actually, the World Economic Forum on their website, you'll see the full logistics wheel that they have for nearly everything. And within that, there is the outreach then to Protestant evangelical Christianity, mainly through Lippo Group with others. I think Paul Singer has been somewhat involved in that. And then what you have is a transitioning of Christianity into a new world religion. So you had folks like Rick Warren that were heading over to the World Economic Forum back, I remember, in the years that I was starting to get involved with some of these folks back in 2007 to 2010. And he was mixing with them and sharing his ideas and talking about how, yes, we can transition the faith, and we need to look at the faith from an exponentially new way. So when you see this, there are people that do understand what is happening, the full big play. And I can't tell you exactly who all those folks are. But I would say at the very center of this movement, you have people that do understand what is happening, what was going to happen, and then what the role of religion would be. Then you would have another layer or another circle outside of that of people that are influenced by those men that want to make sure that they're in their good graces or they want to advance their careers, that sort of thing that have bought into whatever their leaders have told them. Then another circle that, of course, are going to be influenced by the people that they obviously hold up. So it's not like everybody's in on a giant lie. There are some people that are in the very middle that do understand exactly what is going on and understand how to manipulate it. And if they can stick around in the church long enough while everything else in the world changes, they believe in the end they're going to win. So that's one of the reasons that I think it's incredibly important right now that we start standing and saying, this must be this entire game of critical social justice, this entire game of radical subjectivism. It must be excised from our faith. It must be excised from the church. You cannot play nice with this at this point.

It doesn't mean that you're ungracious, but you need to directly address it, and these people need to be removed from their positions. I absolutely believe that. Who are the evangelicals who know what's going on and where this is going and want it to go?

They're not the unsuspecting ones who are listening to someone else, and that sounds good. Who are the people in the know on this? Well, I can't say exactly who they are. I would say that I would very much think, and if I was to speculate, it would be some of the person that I first sat down with back in 2009, I believe it was, at the Southern Baptist Convention at Jack's place who said these things would be Ed Stetzer. Ed has basically based his ministry upon the changes that need to happen in order for us to draw the bridge to the fourth industrial revolution. So I would say certainly Ed is aware of these things. He certainly seems to lead the charge, and he's the one that has both gone after my partners, and as well has led the charge against some things that we've tried to do.

When we tried to start this five years ago by having the conversations and talking about the topics, the articles that would come about me all of a sudden, trying to paint me as some sort of white supremacist even though I'm half Cuban and married to a Chinese girl, that somehow I was involved in a nationalistic plot to try to bring us to some sort of totalitarianism. That's what you call woke projection. So in other words, everything that you're actually trying to do, you accuse the other side of doing. So now I think everybody's pretty aware where things are going.

In 2022, you have to be completely asleep to not see the larger plays that are currently happening. We were talking about these things back five, six years ago. That's how they would scatter doubt, but they believed that they could just hang on and stay in power, that if they could get to the other side of the changes that needed to be made, then it wouldn't matter what we're saying because we are going to be moving into really an autocratic society.

All right. We have more interview with Michael O'Fallon that we will air next week on the program. But I hope the conversation today gave you more than a taste of how this grand scheme is being implemented.

This is not by accident. It's everywhere in society, and there's also a major effort underway in the evangelical church to really just, for lack of a better term, take it over and move it in a whole new direction. And what Michael said there to conclude his last answer about turning things into an autocratic society, otherwise known as authoritarian, is what another guest in the film talked about with regards to how this is being swallowed by so many evangelical leaders to push this stuff.

Some are maybe unsuspecting, others are purposely doing it, and then eventually where it's going to lead. Here's another soundbite from enemies within the church. There are some who are just duped into this ideology, but many of them are purposeful, extremely purposeful, and sly, and they couch their language with nice sophistry, and in some cases it sounds biblical because they'll use scripture verses totally out of context, but they'll use scripture verses nonetheless to try to prop up their ideologies. I fear that there will be widespread persecution of genuine biblical Christians in the United States of America and that there will be woke churches that don't bear the brunt of that, but instead contribute to that persecution. It's already started.

Can't you just see that happening? Woke churches turning in other pastors who vilify them as being contributors to hate and everything else that has gone wrong with our society, they get blamed. So this is why we have featured this topic the last two weeks, and we're going to go more into it for one more week on the program, because we need to be informed about this. We need to be able to recognize it, push back on it, not let it even get a nose in the door of our churches or any other Christian organizations you're a part of, your local school, your college, or your seminary, because frankly, this is the biggest attack on biblical Christianity of our generation. There's always been attacks on the gospel, on sound doctrine, and this is it for our generation. If biblical Christians lose this one, we are going to lose the majority of our churches, schools, colleges, seminaries, it's going to be everywhere, but the good news is God always preserves a remnant. He always preserves his true church, and this just may be the way it's going to go, but we don't want you or your family or your church or your school getting caught in this, and this is why we hope these programs have sharpened your biblical worldview with regard to this social justice movement, but as always, a sharp biblical worldview needs to start with true saving faith, and if you have never repented of your sin and placed your faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord, we just exhort you to do that, make that most important decision today. Go to our website,, and read the page, What Must I Do to Be Saved? And one final reminder before we run out of time that you can order this two-hour DVD, Enemies Within the Church, it retails for $14.95. You can get a copy for a donation of any amount to The Christian Worldview, go to our website,, or call us toll-free, 1-888-646-2233, and our address is given immediately following the program today.

Wokeism is certainly on the rise, it is changing everything within society and the church, but the Bible says that Jesus Christ and His word are the same yesterday, and today, and forever. So until next time, think biblically, live accordingly, and stand firm. toll-free at 1-888-646-2233. The Christian Worldview is a listener-supported ministry and furnished by the Overcomer Foundation, a non-profit organization. You can find out more, order resources, make a donation, become a monthly partner, and contact us by visiting, toll-free, 1-888-646-2233, or writing to Box 401, Excelsior, Minnesota, 55331. That's Box 401, Excelsior, Minnesota, 55331. Thanks for listening to The Christian Worldview. Until next time, think biblically and live accordingly.
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