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December 9, 2021 8:31 pm

Open calls, questions, and discussion with Matt Slick LIVE in the studio. Questions include---1- How can God ordain something without causing it---2- If God ordains an event to occur, is it possible for me to choose something else---3- How can God punish people for sin if he ordained everything that happens, even their sin---4- Is Jesus still a physical, human man right now---5- Did Jesus' divine nature die on the cross-

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Seminary videos literally one minute videos that were to try make quick and slick so I need some help. Why do this ministry is stuff I turn 65 this week and that's sobering. When I look in the mirror. I think I look 55 but especially the morning. It was like 85.

See yourself not that good and I could tell that I'm getting uglier as I get older because my wife stays further away from me till about noon when the morning shadows are quite as as is as oppressive as you get close so there's that and the about can think anything else pay for the lines. What you may call 8772072276B)] break time all right. Let's go to Anthony from Virginia Anthony welcome on the air yesterday. You are having known about God every day and you said something that very interesting. I wanted to kind of problem a little bit. Sure God does not call and what he or Dane, can you please explain what you mean by that. Clearly I am not sure I understand what you mean by that. Okay so they go to the slowly ordination means that God brings about whatever he desires.

Right now the bringing about of it can be at different levels so minutes go over what's called causation.

Here the issues of causation ultimate proximate and efficient. This is not philosophical sleight-of-hand. This is something that has been discussed by theologians and philosophers for centuries and Christian philosophers who look at Scripture believe the Scriptures trust the word of God have discussed these things as well because they are important.

So to give an example so complete the ultimate causation of something is God. He is the one who brought the universe into existence and everything that occurs in the universe ultimately is because he brought it into existence right so that's the ultimate ultimate net approximate. He made the earth and put the garden of Eden where it is and put Adam and Eve, and it and Signet already fallen and so he allowed Satan to come into the garden could got it stopped Satan from having the garden of Corsica made an animal that eats snakes and that's all it up and grab and so what. So God allowed these things to happen by his permission. And so he's now the proximate cause of the fall of Adam. We get so he allowed Adam and Eve to be the garden.

He allowed Satan to come in and then Adam freely chose to rebel against God, the Adam did this.

This is was called the efficient cause, so the efficient cause me that Adam is the actor.

No one forced him to do it. The circumstances in which he existed were arranged by God, but Adam is completely free to be able to do what he desires and he did he behave in a manner consistent with this itself. And so what he did was he decided on his own free will to rebel.

God did not force him.

God was not in his heart sing.

Do this with some anti-reform people say is the case that God causes evils other people. It's never the reformed perspective. Never has been, is a false accusation within the reformed circles will say things like this. Adam freely chose to rebel against God in all the circumstances led up to it were arranged by God, but he was not at was not forced to to rebel so he is his efficient cause he is the efficient cause of his own sin. God is the ultimate in the proximate Adam is the efficient cause, so we talk with ordination.

God ordains the ultimate in the proximate conditions and he knows the free choices that individuals are to make, but there still responsible for those choices. So he ordained that Adam sin with the ordination here does not mean he put his hand on Adam's hand and then opened his jaw and made him eat the fruit is what a lot of antireform people say can't force them to do it now. That's not the case.

He arranged everything Adam freely chose and so Adam is on responsible when we say God ordained all things talk about like that these levels of ultimate proximate and efficient causation, even efficient causation is work after the counsel of his will. Because Adam of God knew Adam was can freely choose another gift of the issues about that compatible list free will return for global of the rhino and so these are the kind of thing.

So this will be mean by God ordains it but he doesn't cause Adam to sit, he does cause the trees to be in the garden so when he said he ordained it in the proximate sense he caused it.

When we say he ordained it in the efficient sense or efficient causation sense that he's not the one who directly caused it, except I have more question for you.

I don't know if you have time for short a time. All right, though it if God or Dane God did. God ordained every single thing that happens in the entire universe at all time. Yes okay though. That means that God ordained that individual think latching tape plate that correct research then yes in the proximate seat down the proximate level not efficient level you write felt. But if God is God ordained letting letter, not on me that God ordained that I feel something, which is the thin, is there any possibility that either human can do anything besides what God has ordained. The question is the ordination of God, mean that you have no choice to do anything contrary. At that point of time and that's with the libertarian position is a safe if God is ordained you to do something and he knows your free will choices can be like again where redshirt or a blue shirt tomorrow. God knows what you're going to do. Can we do this a minute on the risk trying to get into explain this, he can cause you to wear one of the or the other and he can arrange for you to wear one of the other, he can cause you to do it because Proverbs 21 one says God moves the heart of the king where he was at the go. He could put it a desire in your heart where you want to wear the red one is blue but he can also just watch, so to speak either one of those under the mission of God will not close that we have four lines 87777 mass Y call 77077 charismatic slave back to the show.

Anthony all right still there. I'm here to explain in the brick got in the way there.

That's okay. So we just jumping is more stupid catch up that make sense of the literatures with her with more questions. I mean, it may yet I have issues with it.

So what you're saying is when God ordained it got what I'm trying to get you at it. If God ordains something that a human being do something that if info that person cannot avoid doing what God has ordained it so you agree with that statement you so well. If God ordained that someone then and there is no possibility of that person do anything beside the thin or the thin. Why would God then punish the person with eternal damnation if God himself has ordained that that happened while these ordained that he has eternal damnation. And that's why he would do because he ordained the Bible says in Ephesians 111 that he works all things after the counsel of his will. So, do you agree that he works all things after the counsel of his will. I believe I can agree with that. If I understand correctly okay.

He just says he works all things after the counsel of his will. You have a problem with no but I I would take issue with the fact that it will that you know how to do different to say that God created a world where human can choose between good and evil is not a correct thing to say was yes and no. Now normally on the air. I don't get this deeply, but no calling in right now except for you. So I think will do is take this time to go into more deeply right we can work through this size 1st and we have to understand is that the Bible says God works all things after the counsel of his will. Ephesians 111. There's no answer know what if answer butts about it. That's what it says all things, means all things and that means everything that occurs occurs after the counsel of God's will now delay some stuff out here in 24 one. Now again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and it incited David against him to say go, number Israel and Judah. 24, one but the second symbol 2410. Now, David's heart troubled him after you number the people.

So David said to the Lord, I have sinned greatly. What I have done so. The anger of the Lord moved incited David to number Israel. When David did it. He was the one responsible for sent okay this is what is the state. Right now I'm a do is read use of interstellar space in Scripture. As we try and work through what's we have issues and will get through this okay so on it now. Read acts four 2728 and then we would have to 23. So next. 427 it says for truly, in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus was listening her in the city in Jerusalem. People were gathered against Jesus.

That means bad because there against Jesus.

This is no big deal of it is our understanding got out there better for truly in the city there were gathered together against your holy's servant Jesus, whom you anointed. So Jesus is the anointed one, who was gathered from Herod and Pontius Pilate along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel could do whatever your hand in your purpose predestined to occur when if there gathered against is Jesus, the net means are all ready and automatically insane for doing and yet it was what got predestined to occur wherever they did in the last part of the editor printed either that he the one who appointed to do what God has a desire to happen or is are you sure it's referring to a crowd gathered against them read again for truly the city there were gathered against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, whom there in the Greek is in the singular case was like saying for truly the city there were gathered together, get your holy servant Jesus, the one you anointed and Greek nouns have plurality of singularity.

We don't have that right.

I get that but if I get up at about one of the face. Okay so truly the city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus one you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel to do whatever your hand in your purpose predestined to occur. So this is saying that they were gathered against Jesus to do whatever God's hand and God's purpose predestined to occur. What could it be that there are any offensive they are and when God acts in that manner, but maybe it's not something that happened at all times and all places, or will the biblical that doing with what were doing is reading one Scripture were not going into it with mean all these universal content is what is it say right here that's the issue. A lot of people have problems with this will do what you're doing and I'm not knocking you on is just that they'll say well if this means that that is look at everything else right now and I said nope you don't you look at what it says right now and you decide to believe what it says right now or reject what etc. because if you reject it with you to try and do is find some other way around to make it fit what you want because you see the difficulty in the human level, but there's a new level of theology and try to teach people that I know to discover it. Now it's this is been known for centuries and centuries as most Christians are not taught to think these things through is nude a lot of people are not taught in the pulpit Bible studies and teach them in Sunday school teach this stuff. What I think it brought that maybe because not everyone agreed with that and think that through those right now. What about agrees with Scripture, that's correct. Every corral your intent like the taking of the Scripture interpret though will hold on hold on well with second question was watch. I believe that God makes even the wicked for the day of the believe that God makes even the wicked for the day of evil you agree or disagree that God would do something like that. It could make the weekend but it is because God made them.

Like it or because he made them, and they became wicked by their own choice that are either born with conviction status is a lack of theology and theological understanding were born with it.

We are by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 23.

When you go to Romans 519 it says that through the one man's sin transgression. The many were made sinners and were remains. It says in the Greek is a risk passive which that means is the past tense action occurred to the people of the many were made sinners because of Adam's sin. Romans 519. This is really really good Bible lesson for a lot of people to follow and use you as an example, and please I'm not trying to mock you. I'm not trying to belittle you anyway so I hope that comes across but look what it says.

Romans 519.

As to the one man's disobedience. That's Adam sent them many were made sinners and the many which is a group you understand what the context is were made sinners powers they made sinners by Adam sent for assessment we get back only teaches that this will put some more theology. This is a good lesson about like that after these messages. Man's Y. Call 77077 alright.] What I'm doing is trying to show you and others (sure sure to let Robert really. The thing about Romans 519.

It is not implicate God or denied human free will, in the way that okay with a lot of people do is they jump ahead and they don't lay the bricks down before the bill. The foundation in your thinking ahead, and that's okay but you have to understand what this dog is the what I do with people as I rearrange their bricks or throw some bad ones out that some new ones in and then like because they think they have it all figured out, and a lesson I do. They're not as smart as me will become the verses like Romans 519. For example, what's is as through one man's disobedience. That's Adam. The many were made sinners, we have to understand that that the people who were in Adam who fell were made sinners because of Adam sent that's what it sounds. People may not like it but I consider them.

Too bad. Take a marketing cross are your Bible you like and I fasten the question, are you gonna submit yourself to God's word or God's word yourself.

So here's a test. Do you believe that the many many many we needed who that was.

Or is is basically for people were made sinners because of Adamson, even though they were not yet alive. You may have a look at the bare ways of interpreting that no more. I don't know a number no no no no, don't look at the varying ways of interpreting it to find what you need.

What does it say what you think metaphorically for gala garlic atrophy. Honestly child that you can be averted, though, you have to understand Palatinate speak poetically it's not home.

I have to look at the verse itself. It okay well you know we got look at it see what exactly it is well worth okay II think we can say is I need to be the context that's fine with the context and the dude in the NASB, because all the original. Romans 518 wrong guy.

I know I'm taking a lot of clinic tonight. Can I kind of thumbed on the topic include real quickly for what your very few problems that people might have with what you're saying all that God ordained for there is problem number one and not denying that it may be the case but that the problem and problem number two is that not only does God ordained thin, but he also punishes the people who are following his ordination even know they have no choice leaving the theological issue that I think people are trying to work through when they disagree with this theological system plan and jump and help you.

I can help you I can figure this out for people I can make it make sense for them but they have to go step-by-step what what most people do is resist God. Most Christians in the world today resist the truth of God's word. They don't want to believe everything it says earlier I asked you utilize or I said, I believe that God works all things is good. I said that even you know he even makes the wicked for the day of evil is literally quoting Proverbs 16 for the Lord is made everything for its own purpose. Even the wicked for the day of evil see what this will do a people all quote a verse as though it's just an opinion I have for the sake not disagree with advocacy. I just quoted and I'll give the reference a lesser interpretation as a guide and interpreter escorted so they understood what it says and then they resist what it says this is the way of majority of Christians, it is when I go to work to ask for toy 728. For truly, in the city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, that they were gathered an effect upon them occurred they get were gathered, whom you anointed okay as Jesus was anointed to who was gathered, Herod, Pontius Pilate and the Gentiles. The peoples of Israel to do what your handed your purpose predestined to occur, so they were the purpose of God, the predestination of God was that these people would leave Jesus to the cross.

That's what it says people will say what I don't like that I think you don't have to like that's what it says many good acts 223. This man delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men in the death list was the predetermined plan foreknowledge of God, get there. The ones responsible would Christian theologians look at these things and to figure out how does this work in the solution is found in understanding what ordination means ordination is not always mean direct causation to communion, direct causation would give an example of something so my daughter let's say is 12 years old and she has a certain show that she likes to watch at 9 o'clock at night to say and I say to her at 838 I like you to clean your room up and down before we watch the show. I know she could do it is surely try but I know she's not going to.

I know that. And yet, I require it of her because it's the right thing to do. You need to quit room and she says to me, will I can't do it in time, can I then you watch us and watch a show I will start watch a show that finish it tomorrow night and I sake, that's fine. Now I knew she would be able to do that. I brought a circumstance around where she freely said will gotta make me look like a Dan I can't do that and I know that I'm working with at the same time know who was responsible for her saying that the very thing. What I like to build a finish in time. Is it me responsible or she the one who freely set it even though I know that's what she's gonna say Mike causing her to say it directly, or am I arranging the circumstances right know she freely will say that I was responsible for her own words. Okay there who dies area. She it's not that I make her say that sentence did not make her know I didn't. So she's responsible for her own actions. This is were proximate and efficient causation come together as an illustration that we can get in free will type is more to this but this is just this illustration at this level. First, so that I will come back another time to get started now, but I not take a long time but I get the agreement that the what you can disagree I like people do. I just if you disagree, disagree, biblically because they don't understand that Jesus is not the blonde hair, black occasion surfer dude dressed in a woman's nightgown and sang the door of your heart, asking permission to be let in God's the one who works all things after the counsel of his will. This means that of an actual infinite number potential at potential existences that could have occurred before God created anything.

God knew exactly all things that would occur in any particular actuality he materialized. That means every choice. Nightgown is that I challenge that you you if you do know it into heresy. Well I will let you see could be interpreted as follows bag God working accordingly it will created mankind went pretty well, and that is God. Well, that mankind has libertarian free will that be a possible interpretation of that libertarian free will this work does not work in Atlantic I'm not on that specific breakfast, given that Mitchell shall have okay so is free will. I'm setting you up here you ready and setting you in a lightweight man's leaven on UNESCO sound. With this free will mean that you have to have the ability to do good and bad and you choose between good and bad. No one is forcing you that that's that's free of the bill to choose what you want to do good or bad you choose one of the other and that that's what free will is would you agree yet okay that that's heresy. I'll tell you why is God cannot do good or evil.

He can only do good and so free will must be interpreted in light of God's character, not man's character. What you and I did it I set you up by saying it, I set you up to say I want people to see in yourself that you were arguing from the humanistic perspective you're judging freedom and what free will is by your own experience in your own standard what God is. This is the first mistake people make free will is not inability to feel the to choose between good and bad because God can't choose between good that he can only do that what is good and Jesus was Hillel has free will and he can only do what is good, so free will is not identity free will is free will is not the ability build have the options of good and bad.

Do either one, and you choose one at a point of free thought of it in your and three in there that I'm not sure the biblical electives that God can I do bad.

Maybe you think God can believe that I will God have the possibility of doing bad but does not do bad because of the fact that that is that this is batteries. We just want you answering is a very serious heresy. You do not understand who God is, if you say that it would give you a lot perspective is not talent.

Don't say that nobody here because your blasphemy show you this is a series of last of the break for the life you live.

Call 77077 charismatic slave what he was saying that it's possible that God could send something that's wrong and that is blasphemy even say the possibility for I don't know what church he really went to be interesting to know. But let me address this God is holy, he cannot be not hold whatever attribute God has cannot possess it. So it's opposite she's holy first Peter 116 so therefore he cannot not be holy. Whatever God whatever attribute God possesses, he automatically does not possess. It's opposite if he is holy, he does not possess non-holiness. If these good is not also possess non-goodness. If he has the possession of sinlessness.

It cannot also be that he consent is if I can only do what is nature permits them to do what is natures holy and since he is holy, he cannot sin, and so the idea of saying that God might've been able to send you just chooses not to, is blasphemous. Chris Adelphi and is and could teach that Mormonism could teach that and that is a blasphemous thing to say and it does mean is not going to heaven or my dad at the front of more about them to see were coming from but it's a side that's blasphemy. I did tell him alright so this is a problem in this often happens, you can understand that when one heresy is defended. Other heresies usually have to be built around it in order to to grant its foundation. That's the problem. If you get a raise human freedom. Then you have to denounce lower God's freedom or nature. This is what happened. Slowly summarize your folks God is sovereign over all things. Nothing occurs in the spice permission.

We have different areas of his will call the decree of prescriptive and permissive which we didn't get into if you want to talk to about this with a Skype account in Hopewell and decreed as well as B light he decrees it. He causes it is directing prescriptive will is you shall not lie that CP says this is what I want from you morally within his permissive will is he allows you to lie, but if you're going to lie you're free to lie he's permitting you to free relay for life but even your freedom to lie is within his sovereign plan.

Nothing can occur in the universe outside of God's sovereignty and control people so I don't like that well then take the Bible to the trash.

If you don't like the idea of God's sovereignty that he works all things after the counsel of his will. Ephesians 111, or as in the case of Joseph in Egypt sold into slavery by his brothers and want to kill him. For God is human it for evil but God meant it for good. God was involved even in our sinfulness doesn't mean that he causes our sinfulness with that even our sinful actions are within the purview of God's decrees of will, in the ultimate sense we are still responsible for own actions. A lot people can understand this and it takes practice to to run through and learn the logic behind this is not like it's you have final 18 of big thick glass to get this is just that so many people have faulty ideas of what something means the I have to undo those faulty ideas in order to lay down the truth of the logic of this going on to libertarian free will is the position that a human being is free to be able to center not sent. Basically it's what it says but the Bible contradicts that and says that the unbelievers only capable of doing sin can do no good. I go through all the verses on libertarianism doesn't make any biblical sense because it's contradicted by the Scriptures. The Scriptures teach compatible us free will, which is that God's sovereignty and human freedom are compatible. If anybody were to difficult to deny that to deny the sovereignty of God, and it have to say, man's freedom have to be so free that not even God can influence on and that's blasphemy because her saying God is not God. So this is what always happens when libertarian free will is defended God's character God's nature.

God's abilities are reduced their restricted in order to make way for man's greatness. This is how it works.

This is one of the great sins in the Christian church today and it is a sin that these be repented of is only one God, you're not him. There's one God is on the throne. He works all things after the counsel of his will, and how we have to understand is particularly will be difficult for some people. But the truth is he works all things after the counsel of his wealth. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant to whether or not it's true because it is true and you have to accept. Yet the belief that what God says. Therefore, my free will choices which you could say free and they argue freely make them are within the plan of God. God does not come across time and say what you can do right now to do all that's what is going to do that is not the case is open theist heresy. Mavis Kevin open theist. I don't know but with open theism. What they say is the futures open because God doesn't even know what to free will creatures or to do because if he did that he would be free to do it but that's not true. Just as I gave the illustration. I know that my daughter will ask a certain thing. If I arrange certain circumstances, and enforcer to this is that guy admitted so the idea of of libertarian free will, saying that they can't have free will of God knows what to do, is not true is not logical if not necessary. We get.

They hold onto this false idea, and in the process to reduce God's character God's nature.

This is idolatry and low form and is heresy and low form in these be repented of in the Christian church needs to first to bow its neighbor for the sovereignty of God, the holiness of God the greatness of God. The complete sovereign right of God to do with his creations he desires. Read Romans 992 23. If you don't like that we generally take those verses on your Bibles well if you like. God sovereignty God chooses God is the one who ordained you like it not my problem, it's yours you read the Scriptures and is a people say they will.

Matt, this is your interpretation and I quote Scriptures and they don't like the Scriptures. I do wrestle with this to, but I came to the point of of submitting my will to the will of God. He's the sovereign King not me he's the sovereign King, not you.

He works all things after the counsel of his will, even your free will choices and they are free, but you can understand they are not so free that are independent from God that would be another class to seek and understand that when you exalt men you divulge God, and it always ends up in more and more heresies.

That's unfortunate, but that's the way it is the Christian church in libraries. Let's get to see Jason voicing CJ welcome back Buddy God installment despite heresies in teaching truth and people resist, but that's actually that good out window by clicking your legs. I got though I have a bail hearing for tomorrow on the incarnation. I have a argument that I've not heard yet so I want to check that by sharing it with somebody is been in the field or so he I'm debating basically says that you is only God in heaven and only man on earth but never both wrong restaurant that Dorian is a kind of Nestorian heresy that is kind sir, so my my. The point I want to make in its general form is something can't being what it is by nature Karen or that it inherently that thing they can't being that thing with us. That's not necessarily have to take a piece of wood, for example, once it's burned it no longer is what is just carbon contains that's that with this and thought I was better that a good thing.

Here that's I could be able to technically accurate but one thing I wanted to ask the to the interlocutor is that he believed the incarnation is ongoing.

Now before you say anything my understanding of the thing at that question is yes, because Jesus ride as a man as well as being God and you will typically incarnated the day it is that accurate yes it is. He's a man right now. Colossians 29 for in him dwells the fullness of deity in bodily form. At first it with 25 there's one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus, and also in order to be high priest yet to be a manticore Leviticus 8 numbers for Exodus 29, which is why he was baptized and entered into the priesthood after the airport about catalytic by which he makes intercession for us forever. Hebrews 6 2725. It is not a man. Right now he cannot be our intercessor. We will have an intercessor were lost. So yes, he's a man right now and forever will be in a glorified body. Her first Corinthians 1535 to 45, also exactly what I was thinking to because anything to me like it if you look in the representation of what we will actually do right of the dead. We expect the riot that I got Dale at the neck after the earth and we ride like divine being.

I don't know my beings. This glorified bodies right exactly. And so my question for him to be. If Jesus is being break it.

He agreed that we can pray to you that the divine being. Now my question for them to be at youth of the divine being.

Now, but is also God, are you if you need also man now that haven't you indicated you got all that and the other adequately eliminate its addition that then everything simultaneously less problem. Now think about this and can ask which nature died on the cross to human or divine which which one either. It would be numeric right human nature for the human nature died. How is it that the sacrifices of divine value that is you have an answer if you don't I'll give you the answer. I don't think I do are. This is important because it's can relate to debate and if you want me I can cut you up on on the Christology and things like that.

The thing is, hypostatic union is a teaching that in the one person of Christ are two distinct natures.the communicator to enjoy much of is the doctrine of the communication of the properties were the attributes of both natures are ascribed a single person so Jesus says I am thirsty I will be with you always. So his claim of the attributes of humanity as well as divinity as a single person to one of things you can do and that's why we die. The cross he died is that person their force of the sacrifices divine value.

The one thing to do with him is asked is Jesus a single person. This is critical is your single person is walking on the earth was a single person yesterday about human nature and divine nature.

He says yes you gotta if he says no you got into because you just jump all that like a monkey and a cupcake when he says yes that Jesus is both divine and human back then it's okay.

And the one person had both those attributes right yes so that one person, by definition, has the attributes of both natures correct. Can the one person's ever not be that one person because it suddenly the only the divine nature goes to heaven, then the attributes of the human nature are not ascribed a single person and that person no longer exists is no longer Jesus Nissi. I do act very felt really good that I know I Isaac going to create a question.

I wish you would ask if I were to say and yell assuming that I haven't had the chance to explain yet are say the divine nature died on the cross he jumped on that thing you believe. Not my nature and did not know the divine nature did not sign the cross about human nature to divinity can't die. It's a biological function. The heart stops with Christ as his humanity, and then his human nature as divine nature continued on after the death otherwise you the cessation of the person of Christ.

Right now would be Doug physical yes and Isaac was about it.

That's right close to physicalism's and was called us of property dualism to tell you what were about anytime okay.

You can email me if you want to give your cell number. I'll call you later. We talk tomorrow and I'll coach you through a lot of this and get this down to get the absolute out, I will often jump on okay well you know what kind of art. Okay what have I sorry about that thing called Martin from Virginia.

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