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Who's Herman? Hermeneutics: The Art and Science of Biblical Interpretation

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July 4, 2021 8:55 am

In this episode, Matthew the Nuclear Calvinist and the Apostate Paul deal the dirt, and talk about your friend and our friend, Herman. Who’s Herman? Hermeneutics: The Art and Science of Biblical Interpretation. How should we read and understand the Bible. If a passage is difficult to understand, what are the steps to unpacking the author's intent? We tackle these questions and more in this episode.

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What Is Biblical Hermeneutics?

Hermeneutics: Principles and Processes of Biblical Interpretation by Henry Virkler and Karelynne Ayayo

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Your right and a fireflies. This week we will be discussing a topic with the big scary name hermeneutics know we are talking with the monsters.

According to DA Carson hermeneutics, consist basically defined as the art site biblical biblical hermeneutics is the art and science of interpreting the Bible. And this is what Carson must learn how to when it comes to understanding what a text says it is unavoidable that we are interpreting as much as we talk about there being a quote literal understanding text two people may read something quote literally it can arrive at different understandings. This is partially due to having multiple lenses through which we read and interpret. First, we read the words on a page. Our brains and interpret the words and images and ideas in our minds based on personal experiences, vices, education, etc. and then we use our higher functions and reason to take the sauce and form conclusions based on that permission. So how do we reach a consensus on understanding what the text says when there are so many factors and lenses rotation upwards on page this is the task of hermeneutics, and specifically for biblical hermeneutics is the topic of our discussion today. We hope it will be an exciting and educational.how we have learned as post-Latter Day Saints to read and understand the Bible consistent will also address how we as Christians deal with differences in some interpretations of Scripture. So we are Matthew, the nuclear Calvinist and apostate call was given to it. So Paul, when you were a latter-day St. how were the Bible and other Latter Day Saints Scriptures talk to you in various classes, corms groups, etc. like how did you read them, how did you talk about the study from the first time. I think that most Latter Day Saints young people start to encounter their Scriptures on the consistent basis is when they begin seminary or release time when their freshman in high school and in seminary, or you are actually encouraged to read through the whole of the text, but a genuine focus in on some narrative stories of you reading through the Old Testament are not going to get into a whole lot of depth on understanding what you know what passages have meant from on a historical theology kind of perspective you're not going to get the good enough Christian understanding of it that a large focus on the merit of MN on LDS theology and when I was in seminary we had Scripture massless to the Scripture mastery passages for each of both the four books in the LDS what LDS call the standard works.

The Bible, the book of Mormon doctrine and covenants and the Pearl of great Price salute. We were given a little bookmark little plastic bookmark that had the list of Scriptures.

The response to memorize and there you know occasionally you would have tests in seminary to prove you were memorizing Scripture mastery passages but you were encouraged on your own to do a full reading of of the book you are studying in seminary, whether that was the Old Testament and New Testament, the book of Mormon or doctrine and covenants broker price.

So then I think as you get older and become an adult in the church you start attending at least back in my day one when church was still three hours I understand is two hours now, but back in my day in the LDS church when I was three hours, she would attend Sunday school and you would attend priesthood quorum or relief Society. If you are female and those in those classes. There's there's lesson manuals Sunday school for adults is called gospel doctrine and you'll often hear Latter Day Saints kind of brag that we study each of the each of our books of Scripture once every four years and make the kind of make that as of brag like we really know our stuff because were studying through the Old Testament the whole New Testament. The whole book of Mormon and the whole document covenants and prohibit price of the four years but in reality you're not really studying through the whole of them. The lesson manuals for gospel doctrine. Again, they focus on narrative stories you talk about the story of Abraham and Isaac. If you going to the Old Testament in a talk about the story of David and Bathsheba. You know you do, for you to focus on some narrative stories to keep people's interest and then certain passages that support Mormon doctrine are emphasized and in gospel doctrine you get is an adult, at least used to. I don't know how it is today speaking to how used to be 10 years ago 11 years ago now. Used to get a pamphlet a student pamphlet guide to help you study through and prepare for each week's lesson in those those student guides.

They didn't. If you were if you were to follow the student guide strictly. You would not be instructed to read the full text of Scripture. They would focus on certain passages again, narrative passages, and then certain doctrinal passages that Latter Day Saints used to support their doctrine. And so, unless you were on your own. Deciding to be deciding not to be a lazy learner. You wouldn't read throughout the whole Old Testament over the whole New Testament. I don't know what percentage of you would get. But it's not the whole thing that helped with what you're asking that you thicken when you're in for yeah is really great for them until I definitely agree that scrimmage my experience to it seem like general is either topically based, so you'd be document specific doctrine or specific idea or you be talking about a set of chapters in the one of the books of Scripture. It'll all New Testament but more doctrine covenants or Pogo price and I knew Tanner just glanced through most of it. Just pick up parts here narrower description mastery see exactly as executors of course appreciate it. And so when were studying these things as Latter Day Saints, much of it is focused on topics so they'll bounce from passage to passage or they'll study this part here in the hospital and there so the next thing want to move onto is does the oldest church teaches membership how to read and interpret Scripture so kind to give my answer and I think it doesn't really do that at kind of has sort of like how a lot of modern evangelicals to study the Bible where it's like we have a Bible study will pick a passage or the pick something in the note read it out loud and in the kind of goal. All around to everybody around the table and say okay what he says, more subjective understanding of Scripture and is not really in depth understanding of the various ways of how to interpret Scripture itself which are which I think are important and that's why we talk about this episode so I don't think it really even explicitly think the church explicitly teaches how to Scripture is kind of like you read it and then you assume that the face value understanding of the text is the correct one. So would you agree with that or would you give a different understanding that I learned. I largely agree, I would. I would probably say also know that the LDS church does teach its membership how to interpret Scripture, but it doesn't teach them explicitly how to is kind of more you pick it up as you go along in these topical lessons so and I would say that the way they teach you to interpret Scripture is to interpret Scripture in light of the teachings of their prophets and apostles and and/or the teachings of additional Mormon books of Scripture. So in a way that's done, is that in these topical lessons so your studying the topic of faith, you will the lesson manual will instruct the teacher to have a student read from a passage of Scripture that touches on faith. Maybe you read through the hall of faith in Hebrews 11 right and bang or poor portion of it and then there will be a question. What is faith and then the class will be asked kind of answer and talk about that question and then there's a bunch of quotes from Latter Day Saints Gen. authorities talking about what faith is. And so the food kinda lesson that's taught by osmosis and kind of repetition is the prophets and apostles are to tell you what to think about and how to think and believe about what Scripture says and so you kinda come to that understanding through guidance that I think is deliberate but I don't think they explicitly teach that necessarily you think you yeah that's I agree with you that they do understand Scripture in light of the teachings of the church and teachings of their leadership. But like you said it's implicit so it's kind of almost like they the way that I was that I was trying to explain it didn't really make sense, bios opening is that by reading a passage with all this in your mind already understood all the teachings of the church and from the book of Mormon doctrine covenants when you read a passage you're already looking through that lens and so you read it you say all okay that's that's what I really agree with her and Artie fits with what I understand, rather than critically under trying to look at the text just of what the text says. And so you read it you read first 1529 a thing as a reference that talks about is that oh Paul's DC baptism for the dead and then it brings in all this association with the temple and salvation dead SO it's it's kind of like there there prepping you the frontloading with a lot of information so that we see certain words or ideas they automatically pop into your memory and then so then they'll assume that all that's what the text sings, agreeing with whatever modern sets, not that they did a fine job. I will ask you question about this though sure that I was thinking about earlier today so that the LDS church kind of revamped its Scriptures. I think the end of the 1970s and included what we used to know of is the Bible dictionary. The topical guide. There were a bunch of study aids added footnotes that kinda cross-referenced across all of the four standard works and then they also included footnotes that would tell you what certain Greek word certain words in Greek met rights of these footnotes were added to the King James Bible. I'm curious, did you ever have it in the classes you were an like a teacher refer to those Greek footnotes or talk about them in any way my memory. No, I do remember a discussion I did have with my mission president.

My mission once over having one of our personal interviews. Any point it's the passage in feel it's gospel it is might be Matthew where the woman touches the edge of Christ's robe and because jute she had heard that she would blood and so she want healing.

Such approach would touch them. And Jesus said that he felt that in making Ginsberg as he felt the power came out of kids from and then there is little footnote therapist is like, or that his virtue I not the opposite virtue in the text.

I think empowers in the footnote and so then my mission president may not connect Sega virtue of power. So even though in reality really to transition to space powers like my purchase. Note Christ's thought that strength or energy to last note that's only that's only consist I cover that was used, but now I did back on and I was like wow that wasn't quite have you should set yeah I yeah for sure. I do remember a few instances you know where it were someone like an elders quorum might ask what you were looking at a passage and they happened to glance down at the footnotes, they might ask the question okay what are we supposed to do with this Greek foot notice designating says this word can also be translated as the seventh day and nobody really never knew what to do with that. I just I just find it interesting that that the LDS church, but all of that work into putting those Greek footnotes in there and didn't give their instructors relate any guidance into how to how to make use of that and that is something to think about because I think a latter-day St. ideas on the Bible are starting to shift where Seymour Moore Latter Day Saints.

Quoting from different translations of the Bible instead of just the King James whereas before it's like while Vicki Jim does not really trust the other ones are kinda corrupt. The islands are not trustworthy, but it seems like that's shift also so maybe they'll be more training are more willing to future that's interesting. As I was listening to one of Jeremy Howard's podcast the other day.

It was one of their bonus podcasts from the do theology podcast and he was. He had gone to Kansas to present some information about Mormonism to a church there at a conference and I know I latter-day St. listeners gonna kill me for pointing that out because there was like I used your pastors preach against Mormonism together and you know there's conferences right and I've listened to Jeffrey R. Holland preaching as the Trinity.

So it goes both ways. But anyway, Jeremy made the point about the King James Bible being the one that latter-day St. use and he said that you know if they wanted to use an item in a butcher because I don't I'm not as familiar as I should be with to who owns the copyright on each of the Bible translations the Zondervan that has the NIV he has on her and as an Amy shall assume that's the point Jeremy made is that if they wanted to use the NIV they would have to get permission from Zondervan to make the changes that they made to the KGB, but they want to do that with the KJV because it's an is in the public domain release that version of it that the use so he was basically making the point that they wouldn't really be able to use any other biblical version by the version as their official version because no Christian publisher would allow them to do it. Remember years ago they made their Spanish revision of the pre-existing Spanish version. The cut of our existence. I remember them making a modified version of the house.

Like all great and you will do that with that offense for that but it never came out and so I wonder if they did that for that, you know, maybe the Spanish version of whatever text are using wasn't in the public domain and are not sent it as a point okay so when we were switching out to when we were transitioning from the LDS church to where we are now. So when we were questioning and when we lead our way out of the church. Also during this transition. Did your reading interpretation of the Bible change over time order to stay relatively the same. Yeah, definitely changed so I had mentioned before that as it is a virus and missionary. I read I made Mike, my goal to read to each of the standard works in full surrender through all four. While it was on my mission and then after my mission.

I wanted to keep that up, but my focus was more so on the book of Mormon reading that as many times as I could because a latter-day St. That's kinda the crowning Scripture in them the way they view it so when I was leaving the LDS church. I really wanted to dig into the Bible and kind of ironically, I guess I I had gone while I was still latter-day say I've gone to award. I guess they called a yard sale may be your award parking lot sailor is holding the cultural hall that the LDS Ward Marie attended and everybody Brought their stuff that they wanted to sell and bonds sold to whoever wanted to come to Saigon. Maren and somebody brought this book by think he's I don't know if he's Australian but it think his ministry was in Australia since Jason Lowe Baxter and he wrote this this pretty big volume of commentary on the Bible called explore the book and working.

I started reading through my KJV at that time because I wasn't yet related ready to venture out into other versions. Other translations source are removed or might KJV and using explore the book is kind of like a guide and she presents study guides on each chapter of the Bible and does some some exegesis as well within the study guides and and I exegesis for those who are familiar with that term.

The idea there is to allow the text of Scripture real allow the meaning of the text of Scripture to be read out of the text of Scripture rather than interpreting Scripture in light of your own biases and presuppositions which would be exegesis or reading your own thoughts and views into the Scripture. So the difference is between the question, what does this passage mean and what does this passage mean to me. What does this passage mean is restricted to what the author intend to convey when they wrote what does this passage mean to me can be anything I wanted to be and so kind of ink encountering Jason Lowe Baxter doing some exegesis within his writings in reading through that, realizing that there was a different way of looking at Scripture than I have looked at before I when I was first doing that back in May 2009, early 2010. I didn't have the theological or biblical studies understanding, but I do now to particularly see what Baxter was doing.

I could just tell that it was very different than what I had encountered before. So you would say that that's one of them.

So would you say you still interpret Scripture the way the you are studying from him or just a kind of change since centered you feel like you're so pretty instrumental in how you went into prescription or was instrumental because, yeah, and he was instrumental because for it for two reasons.

One, the exegesis, but to the six commentary on each chapter of the Bible. He wasn't leaving anything out like like we talked about earlier with some of the LDS study guides with Baxter. Nothing was left out in the conflict.

100 pages long, is his book now and he's he's given you everything and there were not. I read through the Bible as a whole is an obvious missionary but there are things you don't and can't see as a latter-day St. Even if you're reading through the entire text even if you do slow down and go away.

What way that doesn't fit with my theology. When you read over a passage you get time to get the cognitive dissonance set in where you're like I'm not going to allow myself to really think about that. I'm just going to keep on going until I find one of the smoother passages that works with my theology.

So yeah you you either see some of that stuff in and ignore it or you just don't see it at all because you're so focused on looking for your theology in the Bible and I did. I did that a lot is latter-day St. looking for my theology in the Scripture rather than rather than interpreting Scripture in the way that it means that I give you a quick example of that, there's a passage in the book of Mormon that I'd have to look it up to to see exactly what it is. Which passage it is and I will do that now. But for the sake of time, but I just say, give you the gist of what the passage says it's talking about the writing of the Nephi records and that out of the writing of the books of the route of the writing of these folks these records, the world would be judged right is kind of the gist of the passage I was on my mission and there was a missionary who was who would become kind of a friend of mine in the MTC and we did. We never served kind of in the same area much while we were on our missions.

We were always in different cities. I will not always there was one time when when I was in Budapest and he was also in Budapest.

Different parts of the city salute occasionally see each other up young PJ operation day but for the most part we were in different cities and this missionary had gotten into some trouble out in one of the smaller towns where she ends and three other missionaries were serving, they had had a pool party with some of the teenage young women in the branch. There and course for missionary swimming is forbidden, and so is fraternizing with females, so it was kind of a big deal.

All of the missionaries were transferred out of that area to other areas of the mission and she had called me to talk about and you have kind of express his regrets and I know I got the phone call with him late one night I was feeling pretty concerned about him now. Just want to make sure he was okay he knows I was.

He was he was upset about the whole situation and I when you started praying and in reading through the book of Mormon. I came across that passage and I was like wow that's awesome out of the books that are written. The world should be judged so that I started writing in my journal about how good the seller was and how good I knew him to be a good guy, you know, got caught up with some elders who got him into trouble. You know club was like oh out of the books that are written. The world shall be judged.

Some the record, I make is going to impact how God judges this this elder this missionary naming message that sounds that sounds pretty nave but that's that's exegesis in a nutshell right that's that's looking at the text again and bring your own emotions your own thoughts your own experience to it and making it means something to you rather than understanding what the text should man from what the author intended to name another thank you for that story another classic example that's abusing by Christians is the Philippians passage that says I can do all things to Christ who strengthens me. And you know that's just been abused and used for passing tests and eating a 5 pound burrito or whatever. When they went in the pit and the passage is talking about persecution. You know so start talking about doing whatever you know but this is about you becoming all-powerful everyone said it exactly yet.

Yeah, something that so you how degree I would also say that the way I understand read scriptures different from what is latter-day St. I think one of most its rental books to help me was a book that I read shortly after starting to either consider or actually start attending a reformed church clues in 2017 so you house I start attending is a book called getting the garden right by Rick Ellis and I recommend all the time to read truly great bucket, talks about the doctrine of creation and that the covenant of Works and covenant of grace. We talked about that with the Ben Hank and Darren Caldwell in our episode on covenant theology. What about or what is covenants so recommend that episode and so I mentioned that the next really opened my eyes to understanding how to understand and think covenant to Lee reading scriptures in terms of how God relates to mankind is covenants but also just interpretation of Scripture because he starts off by saying, look, you know what we need to interpret Scripture consistently. We can't just like you said read a passage and put our own emotions are on DOS so you have to understand, pull out what it actually wants us to stand so talks about several of reformed hermeneutics principles.

I will get into in the full discussion and not just help me to understand okay yeah there are several rules that can help us to read Scripture and understand it the way that it was intended to be understood in turn interpreted consistently rather than just reading as a big jumbled pile of books written by fallible men, which is how a lot of critical scholars so yeah so I would say that from the perspective from out to St. I think I try to look at the Bible more critically, although you'll never be able to completely overcome your own biases and your own experiences and reading scriptures, but we shall East be conscious of them and try to interpret the Bible regardless of of our experiences or biases to try to interpret what God wants us to know, rather than putting what we want, what we feel like we want to know into the text, willing to be smuggled and changed by what the text says that he acted very good points and just kind of piggyback off of that. Did you do you think that is latter-day St. that you were taught to read Scripture in a way that the question is kind of always what what does this mean to me yeah or or how does this how does this confirm the teachings of the restoration.

Something that there's a couple of thoughts on that as a passage and overcoming him back to the second question, but just coming. The thought struck me. There's a passage in the book of Mormon's early on in the book of Mormon. I think it's mostly Nephi writing right and it says that they reckon all the Scriptures onto themselves. From a member that has an tremor they recognize.

And I reckon they reconciled all the Scriptures onto themselves and that passage is shared with you quite often is latter-day St. and in and lessons so what one of the things about latter-day St. teaching and culture that that some Christians may not be familiar with who have never been latter-day Saints is that in the can, Sunday school and priesthood quorum send in relief society.

The teachers are called from among the lay members of the congregation and that's not always the case in Christian churches often you might have elders who are teaching those cordless classes, or if or if you do have someone who's more volunteer is someone who has some training in teaching often loose from my experience, but with Latter Day Saints.

That's not the case. Someone can be called to teach gospel doctrine.

Maybe because there there a good word or maybe because they're good teacher. They can keep a class attention, but they don't have training in teaching necessarily and that's especially true in elders quorum where you're at your your either in elders quorum president or your elders quorum you're in the elders quorum presidency as a counselor and you you just had designated as the instructor for the group and you you have the lesson manual that you follow, but I think a lot of times, and then my wife mentioned this about relief society as well as have because the because there's these instructors and teachers who don't really have a lot of training. They will often fall back on to the question, what does this passage mean to you or what what is this what is whatever you just read whether it's a passage of Scripture or passage of quote from a general authority. What is it mean to you and there's also the culture within the LDS faith that testimony is really really important your own personal testimony once a month. There's this fast and testimony meeting were where members of the congregation are encouraged to stand up during the main service on Sunday ends and share their own testimony and that is very personal.

It's very subjective as to what is shared and so that carries over into those classes. So when the question is asked what does this mean to you. It's wide open for whoever to say what they think it means or how it's impacted them and you can get far astray of what the intent of the writing actually is in those classes. So just another way that the kind LDS culture kind of teaches you in implicitly to interpret Scripture in light of yourself and I think that passage from the book of Mormon. We reconciled all the Scriptures onto ourselves is another another passenger kind of invites you to do that. That's a great point and it I think it's because yet they're still focused on application that it's almost like that. That's kind of immediately ready stick to that out. Skipping on that will talk about the difference Extended Passage, but It's like They Want to Skip All of Those and Say Okay Well I Was Applied.

I See Originally District Final Destination and Something That's Bad and of Itself, but First He Understand What the Principles Being Taught Here in the Knowledge with the Background Is the Cultured Circumstances Sells and Drawing out the Principles from the Text Rather Than Just Saying Immediate Going Immediately to Application Because Then You Can Get, You Know RC's Poems of Said in a Series of Forget Which One He Said That There Is Only One True Meaning of the Text in Terms of What What the Author Is Actually Trying to Convey. But the Way That Could Be Applied Is Many Different Ways and so Being a Circumstances Depending on the Principle Has Has Applications to A Lot Of Different Things, but the Way the Text Is Meant to Be Read and Understood His Really One-Way, but It Seems like the Way You Are Describing in the Way That I Also Experiences like While There Isn't Really a Single Way That Many of Its and As Long As You're within the Barriers of These Boundaries of What Dell District Teaches You Can Kind of Take What You Want Contribute However You'd like. And You Not Really Seeking after One Single Standard Kind of Kind of Have Some Leeway There.

I Guess If You Don't. If You Skip Straight to Application and You Don't Have a Solid Understanding of of What the Text Is Meant to Convey Then Then You Can Have the Idea That You Know I Can Eat a 5 Pound Burrito through Christ That Strengthens Me. Yeah Sure You Exactly Yeah Some Great Thoughts You Have Anything Else to Add RA so Moving on to Our Fuller Longer Discussion with CSO in the Introduction I Quoted DA Carson Stated That Biblical Hermeneutics Is the Art and Science of Interpreting the Bible. So First I Must Talk about Why We Think It's so I Have I Have a Kind of Nebulous Ideas of the Be All You Can Help out with the Speaking Committee Were Concrete so I Do You Personally Are so It's an Art Because Communication Is Flexible, Words Do Have Various Meanings in Various Contexts and Sometimes Mechanical and Rigid Application of Rules Can Distort the Meaning. An Example of That That I Would Give Multiple Doing the Talking Little Bit More about Literary Genres Later, but the Bible Contains Various Literary Genres and There Are Various Ways of Interpreting Each Type of Literary Genre, You Interpret a Parable Different Than You Interpret a Narrative Passage That This Historical Right D Passages in Acts That Talk about Luke and Paul Traveling from City to City Hall Being Imprisoned All Writing Letters to Churches Paul Traveling to Jerusalem to Meet with the Jerusalem Council. Those Those Passages Are Meant to Be Historical Passages As an Historical Record of Paul's and Luke's Traveling and Preaching the Parables of Jesus Are Not Meant to Be Interpreted in the Same Way That Those Historical Travels Are. There's Another. There to Kind of Differing Schools of Biblical Interpretation Early on in Christianity, the Alexandrian Anti-Okay in School.

The Anti-Okay in School. Kind of Took Lots of Things As Metaphorical so You Can. I Was in the Podcast the Other Day about Mary and the Question Being Debated Was Was Mary Stemless, Few Caught That Gospel Truth Debate, Not Matthew, but the It Was a Roman Catholic and Protestant Debating Was Mary Stemless and the Roman Catholic Was Presenting Some Views from Early Christian Interpreters from the Anti-Okay in School of Biblical Interpretation, and so He Was Making the Case That Although Mary Is like the Ark of the Covenant so You Have a Historical Figure Mary Who Becomes Kind of like a Metaphor, and so and Has Metaphorical Metaphorical Approach to That School Had a Metaphorical Approach to Scripture so You Be the Application That of That Understanding Them Becomes All Mary Was Sinless Because She Bore the Son of God, and She Was.

She Was Holy like the Ark of the Covenant Right since That's That's One Way of Interpreting Scripture, but Is That Being True to the Original Meaning of Any Passage about Mary Is the Question the Kind Have To Ask Their Net Packets into the Genre.

So Yeah Art Art Because It's Because Communication Is Flexible in That Way. But Then the Other Part of the Other Side of the Coin Is Why Is It What Is DA Carson Stance Also Science Science Because It Has Rules That Can Be Classified in an Orderly System Right There Is Rules of Syntax. There's Ways of Understanding Different Literary Genres, Etc. That Make It a Science As Well As Mark Yeah That's Great That's Really Great Summary As I Was Thinking of It in Terms of like Cartons of Painting You Know and If We Were If It Is Just Solely in Art, Well, You Could Take That Pay You to Take the Same Paintbrushes and Anchor Whatever It Is Easy to Create Your Art and Can Make Whatever You Want. You Know There's No Real Rules but Is Also Science Because We We Have Certain Presuppositions about Scripture and They're Not Just Presuppositions of Add to the Textbook, Scripture Itself Says That It's God Breathed and That's True, and so We Have To Understand Scripture in Light of Those Facts and We Have To Understand That We Can't Just We Can Just Know That Have Have an Acid Trip and Just Stare into the Pages of Scripture That Will I Think This Talk about That Are at. There Are Rules but but There Is a Certain Level of Civility.

Like You Said, There's A Lot Of Cultural Understandings That We Maintenance May Not Be Privy to Entirely like I Think We We Are Learning More and More about These Age Cultures As We Find More and More Documents and Artifacts That Were Learning in Order Were Getting Access to More Scientific Information about These Cultures Were Starting to Understand the Coal That That They'll Await to See Okay. Here's How They Might've Understand Might've Understood This Text and Still Debate Comfort Perhaps Different Aspects of Together Is There Is A Lot Of It That We That We Just Don't Have a Perfect You Know Precise, Clear Understanding of What What May Be a Particular Passage Says Exactly. So There Is A Lot Of Room There Growth Is Room There for Maybe Some Even Creativity Short Think That Okay Have Put Yourself in the Mind of a Jewish First. This, in This Part of the World at That Time and Place. How Might They Understand It, so There Is Kind of a Little Bit of the Creativity That Involves Well so Moving on, so We We Talked about the Word Exegesis and Because Were Greek Word Which Basins to Execute Likely Exit from the Building and Wants to Pull Something out so Exegesis Is to Pull out the Meeting.

Text. It's Reading a Text and Understand What's Trying to Say so and Were Performing Exegesis of the Bible. What Are Some Basic Dues or Docs to Consistent Reading and Understanding the Scripture We Artie Talked about All Give a Couple Ready Talked about How Exegesis Is Trying to Pull in Our Pull out Reading. Rather Than Shoving in Reading Scripture so Yeah the Brito Idea from 1/3 Christ.

All I Could Do All Things in Christ Who Strengthens Me. It's It's Going in and Understanding the Context of the Text, What the Surrounding Passage Talking about What Is the Speaker Talking about. And in Trying to Pull That out Another Don't Is to Just Not We Should Try Not to Just Pick a Single Phrase Out Of the Context of Just Say Okay What This Context Is Very Important and I Think That's That's One Thing That I Felt like I Was Lacking When I Was Training As a Latter-Day St.

I Felt like Sometimes a Seminary to Make the Background for Particular Passage or Chapter. But We Did Spend like A Lot Of Time on That As Well. Yeah the Writer Is Is Paul. He's Writing to the Colossians You Know He's Going to Be Talking about This, They Might Have a Small Discussion, but There's Really Not Indexed No Context for for All Those Passages That That You Get A Lot Of Really Solid Exegetical Commentary or Preaching. So Those Are Just Couples That Have Popped up Ahead to Have a Polar Subdues Adults When Trying to Interpreter Pull out the Meaning of Scripture That I Think You Some Really Good Ones There to to Add to That I Would. I Would Say No That May Not Everybody Has. There's Their Scholarly Interpretation of Scripture and Then There's Leigh Inter Precipitated Interpretation of Scripture and and Non-Distributed Christian Relies A Lot on Commentaries Written by Others and We Talked Earlier about How Latter Day Saints Go about Teaching and Classes in Elders.

Maybe Kaiser Scripture and Then Lots of past Buds Quotes from General Authorities or from Other Parts of Latter Day Saints Unique Scripture That the Kind That Gives You This Idea of This Is What This Biblical Passage She Should Noonish Be Interpreted in Light of That All This Other Stuff Right Christians Can Fall into a Similar Danger Zone.

I Think When It Comes to Commentaries, Because Their Steps to to Exegesis Steps to Hermeneutics Right Steps to Go through so When I Was in the Christian Seminary Book That We Used Was Called Hermeneutics Was by Burglar in the IAO Are the Two Authors and Do They Say This about Exegesis That in the Order of Operations for Scholarly Biblical Interpretation Exegesis Follows a Study of Canonicity, Textual Criticism and Historical Criticism.

So There's That There's Other Steps That You Cannot Go through before Asking the Question Okay. What Is the Meaning of This Text Right and in and Kind of Working through That on Your Own There Is Various Steps Do You Go through and Hermeneutics Right There Is Historical Cultural Analysis Which You Were Kind of Touching on Matthew What Was the Overall Historical Milieu in Which This This Passage, or Book of Scripture Was Written. Who's the Author. What What Was Believed by the Readers or the Hearers of This Passage of Scripture over They Have Understood from at That Kind of Questions Contextual Analysis How Does It Fit within the Overall Argument. The Author Is Making. If You're Looking at a Single Passage What What Are the One of the Other Related Statements, Word or Doctrinal Arguments That the Author Is Making That That Door Makes Elsewhere in Others.

Other of That Same Author's Writings That You Could Use to Try to Understand What Is Being Said in a Particular Particularly Difficult Passage Than This Lexical Syntactical Analysis Were the Words Mean That Are Being Used.

Are There Other Possible Meanings That These Words Hold That Are Different from the Have Been Meeting That I Understand on Face Value That May Play in Here. You Talk a Little Bit about That Earlier with the Greek Footnotes in the LDS Scriptures. You Know This. This Greek Word Can Also Mean This Other Thing That's What You Doing with Lexical Syntactical Analysis, Then There's Theological Analysis Looking at like a Said before What What the Original Shearers or What. The. The Writer Believed What What Was There Overall Theological Outlook. Once You Gone through All of That, Then You're at the Point of Asking the Question Okay What Is This Passage Mean That You Give, You Set Yourself up with Some Tools Try to Understand What the Passage Means in Context and Vineyard. Then You Can Kind of Look at How I Read out from This Passage What the Author Intended, Which Is the Ultimate Goal of Hermeneutics Because the Christian View of Scripture Is That It Did Was Breathed out by God Right That Comes from the Writings of Paul Falvey's DOS. It Was Breathed out by God and so the. The Ultimate Goal Is to Understand What God Intends to Convey through the Writing to His People and so the Last. The Last Step in Hermeneutics Is to Then Once You Have Done All Those Other Things Historical Cultural Analysis You Done Your Best to Try to Understand What Context This Was Written, Man What the Words Mean What the Writer Believes Theologically or Understood Theologically, Then You've Gone the Further Step and Said Okay What Do I Think This Passage Means Based on All That Work in the Final Step Is to Compare You What You Understand with Other Interpreters. Latter Day Saints Kennett. They Skipped the Very Last Right Here Is This Passage and Then How Is It Used in Warehousing Used or Interpreted by Other Latter Day Saints Scripture and Latter-Day St., Gen. Authorities so They Skipped Right past Any Kind of Cultural Historical Lexical Syntactical Theological Analysis and Go Straight to What to Be Interpreters Say Writer and like a Psycho.

Send When I Started This This Section Is That Christians Can Fall in the Same Trap Commentaries. They Skip over If It Is a Good Commentary. You'll Have Those Steps Walk through for You but You Know If It's Not, You Can Fall in the Trap of Discounted Gloaming on to What the What One Interpreter Means or Thinks Passage Means and Not Really Getting at What the Passage Actually Means You Just Getting Interpreters Take on Gets a Great Point. I Was Gonna Say and Ask You. So How Do Christians Avoid Evidence You'd like Category Hats Want to Make Sure That If You're Reading from a Commentary That They Do Try to Approach All These Different Aspects of Text, and Sometimes I Don't Think It's Necessarily Bad That a Commentary That Doesn't Include All Those As Long As You Go in Understanding That Date. You May Have a Limited or Biased View of the Interpretation of the Scripture Based on Who Wrote It.

So Sometimes I Might Want a Lutheran Understanding of a of Text. I Might Want an Orthodox View of the Text.Study Bible Have Have Several Roman Catholic Study Bibles so Sometimes I'll Just Be like Okay Well Understand How Someone Else Passage Is All Reader Commentaries and Sometimes They Don't Do All That Leg Works Just Give You Know in Particular Roman Catholic Commentaries Lot Has with Reference like Catechisms. The Roman Catholic Catechism or from Different Councils Different Statements Rather Than Go through That Do All the Leg Work like He Said of the Background and the Lexical Syntactical Analysis All That so As They Can Be of Value. The Next Worthless. But We Have To Be Conscientious of the Kind of Information Are Providing and If It's If They've Given You Give and Use the Reader All Understanding Data in Order to Come to a Conclusion Yourself. Commentaries Are Very Valuable, but I Think It's Also Great That We Understand How to Use Commentaries Because Yaqui Set As We Could Just Treat the Commentaries As a Second Bible, Just Read It and Take It for What It Says and Don't Really Analyze It Critically Neck so When I Knock on Commentaries Counters a Great Several Commentaries I Read so It's Anything to Add yet No Discrepancy. Just Be Aware of What the What the Theological Backgrounds Are of the Authors of the Commentaries That You're Using Now I Have.

I Have Unlike You, Matthew Have Got Roman Catholic Study Bible and Got the Orthodox Greek Orthodox Study Bible and Got All Kinds of Different Study Bibles of God, the ESV Theological Study Bible, Which Is One of My Favorites and It Has No As You Read through the Text of Scripture. It Has Various Theological Full Articles at the Bottom of the Page. If There's a Particular Passage. So, for Example, in John 11 It's It's Got a Theological Article at the Bottom the Talks about the Log, Dawson and Kind of What That Music Is a Systematic Theology Study Bible so You Know You Have To Understand That When You're Getting There Is Systematics Right Which Should Follow after Biblical Theology, Which Is Taking into Account All of the Steps of Hermeneutics but but You Getting a Systematic Theology from Particular Point of View, Admitting That Case of the Reformed Point of View so Just Important Understand What It Is Your What What the Tools Are That You're Using. It Doesn't Mean That There Necessarily Worthless Were Dangerous.

Just Be Aware of What They Are. As You're Aware of What They Are. You Can Read Them for What They Are and Understand Them for What They Are and Realize That in Some Places You May Need to Go and Do Some Deeper Digging to See How They Arrive at a Particular Theological Position to Get Good Points. Yeah Great They Trap Audition Array so We've Artie Talked about How Genre out the Designer Literature Bible When Were Interpreting Levels Very Important. So Part of Reading and Interpreting Scripture Is Examining What Kind of Genre of Literature Passage Belongs to Her That of the Book of the Chapter so There Are Various Kinds of Genres. Then, in That It Seems like Different Authors Categorize Them Differently. So Here Are Some of the Categories I've Seen.

There's Historical Narrative. There Is Didactic or Instructive Space Which Is Teaching Others Prophetic. There's Allegorical Holders Poetic Our Wisdom Literature, like like Proverbs or Ecclesiastes and Is Also Apocalyptic Literature Subparts of Daniel and Revelation Particular Are Apocalyptic in Terms of Their Talk about Late in Times in the World.so We Talked about That. It's Important, but Maybe Let's Give It a Counterexample Why What Would Happen If We Are to Misinterpret Passage or a Book for the Wrong Genre of so What You What You Think about That All What If You're to Just Completely Take like a Narrative Book of Structure and Think That It's All Allegorical. What Why Would That Be Dangerous. So If You Take a Narrative Passage of Scripture and Then Think That It Was Allegorical. It Takes Away Some of the Power That That Is Found in the Narrative Passages Where You See God Acting to Sustain His People to Watch over His People and Care for His People. If You Take That Major Allegory You Can Completely Miss the Power of Narrative and That the Same Kind of Thing Goes for Misinterpreting Other Types of Literary Genres within Scripture, There Are You Poetic and Wisdom Is Poetic and Wisdom Literature Right and Interpreting That Rightly Means Not Necessarily Interpreting It As Historical Right Poetic Literature Can Be Epic. It Can Can Cover Historical Events, but Not All. Poetry Does so It's Important Understand the Type of Literary Genre That You're Looking at within within the Bible That Yes, Great Thinking If If You Take Something That Actually Happened and Say Well This Is Representative of Certain Truths or It's It's Meant to Teach a Lesson in Alec.

He Said Take Erupted of Soft Power on the What If What We Are Sure to Take the Sufferings of Job, and Just Say Well Job Was an Actual Person Is Just Demonstrating How God Blesses You with a Force That Then We We Could Really Look to Job As like Actual Person Who Is a Strong Faith Goal Man of God Who Went through All the Suffering and and Yeah You Struggled but in the End He Was so Faithful and so You Lose, You Lose the Message There in Terms of What Is That They Such As Not to Teach Truths.

That's Part of It, but It's Also Given Us, Given Us an Example of a Man Who Was Given the Grace Just to Stay Strong, Regardless of Everything Was Thrown out and Losing His Children Suffer Boils All These Terrible Things They Soaring Faithful so We Distill It to Him. It's Kind of like an Example to Bolster Our Faith Were Struggling of the Problems That We Have in Life. So I Mean There's There's All Different Kinds Problems. He Can Run into. I Remember My Mission. I Retracted into a Always Witness Home and Felt Kinda Bad Admitting It, but like We Are Just like Knocking on Doors All Day Had No Success.

As I Go out Work Dates Use Ogre Exchange between Missionaries Size with Someone Else Was with My Normal Companion and We Said No Success Now so Tired and Tweets Talk to Somebody. In Summary Letter Sent and We Talked of Music and You Know I've Got I Got Some Coke and Cookies. He Knows He Has Talked a Little Bit.

I Think We Might Have Another Meeting Coming up for Skype That Rush off to, but I Was like Well You Know Maybe Maybe Something Happened to This Blessing on First. Some of Those Doctors That Really Talk to Him and He Entered Turned out That He Was Always Witness and Showed Us These Books That He Had and Mike Was Really Weird I Never Seem like Books with Pictures of the 10 Had a Dragon and Stuff like That. Revelation As If like a Real Dragon Is Going to Appear in the Last Days or Something like That and It's Somehow so Weird That's Likely You Think Is like to Be a Literal Dragon List. It Happened Maybe That Was the Case That He Was Just an Illustration I Offer for the Kind of Help You Understand What the Pastor Same, but If We Take Apocalyptic Literature Which Is Highly Symbolic, and Its Uses Numbers and Uses Colors and Figures, Animals, to Demonstrate Talk about Certain Truths Talk about Certain Events That Will Occur in History That Could Be Precise Moments in History or Can Occur over Long Periods of Time. If You Think That There Literal to Come off of the Completely Wrong Understanding of past Time Talk about and so and and and Even If You Have the Same Values or Same Hermeneutics There Still Debate As to What These Apocalyptic Works of Literature Are Trying to Say Which Is Why You Have Different Views of the End Times of the Millennium, and so Christians after Kinda Go with Those Passages with Broader Willingness to Be Wrong about Those Passages That Have To Be SORT OF HUMILITY GOING TO THESE PASSAGES, SO THERE'S A LOT THERE'S A LOT OF THESE BE DONE.

WE GO TO THOSE SPECIFIC PASSAGES VERSUS SOMETHING LIKE IN JOHN CHAPTER 1) VERY CLEARLY TALK ABOUT HOW CHRIST IS GOD IN FLESH AND HOW HE WAS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD AND EASE TO SAVE THOSE WHO COME TO AN FATE THAT TO THEM HE GAVE POWER TO BECOME CHILDREN OF GOD. SO THERE THERE MUCH DIFFERENT PASSAGES OF SCRIPTURE SHOULD CONFUSE WE SHOULD DO OUR BEST TO TRY NOT TO GENRES OF LITERATURE, LISTENING TO OUR BRIGHTNESS CONTRAST FROM MIKE TO WALK WITH JESUS WHEN HE SOUNDED REALLY NATIONAL EXCEPT WE WERE ALL BORN AND RAISED IN THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, HEADQUARTERED IN SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE MORMON FAITH. ALL OF US HAVE LEFT THAT RELIGION AND HAVE BEEN DRAWN TO FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST BASED ON BIBLICAL TEACHING.

THE NAME OF OUR PODCAST. OUR BRIGHTNESS REFLECTS JOHN 19 CALLS JESUS, THE TRUE LIGHT WHICH GIVES LIGHT TO EVERYONE YOU FOUND LIFE BEYOND MORMONISM TO BE BRIGHTER THAN WE WERE TOLD IN THE LIGHT, WE HAVE IS NOT OUR OWN COMES TO US FROM WITHOUT. THUS, OUR BRIGHTNESS, OUR PURPOSE IS TO SHARE OUR JOURNEYS OF FAITH GOD HAS DONE IN DRAWING US TO HIS SON. WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ALL ASPECTS OF THE TRANSITION YEARS CHALLENGES, JOYS, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. GLAD YOU FOUND US AND WE HOPE YOU'LL STICK AROUND RA. SO IN ADDITION TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT KIND OF LITERATURE PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE THERE DIFFERENT RULES IN READING AND INTERPRETING SCRIPTURE CONVOLUTED TO THEM OR RECORDS THEM SPECIFICALLY SO HERE IS A SET OF RULES. THAT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANALYSIS THERE'S THE HISTORICAL CULTURAL ANALYSIS. HOW DOES THE PASSAGE FIT IN THE CONTEXT OF HISTORY AND IN THE CULTURE IN WHICH WAS WRITTEN. THERE'S THE CONTEXTUAL ANALYSIS HOW THE PASSAGE FITS IN WITH THE PASTOR SURROUNDING IT IS THE GRAMMATICAL AND SYNTACTICAL ANALYSIS. WHAT IS THE GRAMMAR. WHAT ARE THE WORDS USED IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WHETHER THEY NEED OR COULD THEY NEED AND THE THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS.

HOW DO WE TAKE THE CONTEXT GRAMMATICAL SYNTAX OF THE TEXT AND INTERPRET THIS IN TERMS OF OUR BELIEFS SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM IN DEPTH THAT IT WAS JUST GO I GUESS WE CAN GO ONE BY ONE.

I STILL WANT TAKE A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ONE SO THE HISTORICAL CULTURAL ANALYSIS. TALK ABOUT THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HISTORICAL CULTURAL ANALYSIS YEAH AND SO WHAT YOU SAID THIS HORTICULTURALIST IS LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL MILIEU IN WHICH AUTHOR WROTE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND HIS ALLUSIONS, REFERENCES PURPOSES, SO THERE'S A THERE'S THERE'S A TIME GAP BETWEEN US AND THE AUTHORS OF THE BIBLE THERE IS A CULTURAL GAP BETWEEN US AND THE AUTHORS OF THE BIBLE. SO THOSE THOSE GAPS HAVE TO BE BRIDGED. SOMEHOW IN ORDER FOR US TO GET TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE AUTHOR INTENDED. AND THE WAY YOU HISTORICAL CULTURAL ANALYSIS HELPS YOU TO BRIDGE THAT GAP. CONTEXTUAL ANALYSIS IS ALSO IT'S KIND OF A SUB STEP IN HISTORICAL CULTURAL ANALYSIS, AND IT CONSIDERS THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PASSAGE TO THE ENTIRE PASSAGE SURROUNDING IT.

SO YOU KNOW, LONGTIME JEWEL HERE CHRISTIANS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH LATTER DAY SAINTS. THE CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GOOD PRACTICE TO JUST TAKE THE PASSAGE ON CONTEXT OF WHAT THE AUTHOR IS SAYING BECAUSE YOU MIGHT MISS THE MEANING OF THAT PASSAGE BY KINDA MYOPICALLY LOOKING AT THE PASSAGE RATHER THAN LOOKING AT THE WHOLE OF THE COST AROUND IT. CAN YOU THINK OF AN EXAMPLE OF OF A PASSAGE, THE LATTER DAY SAINTS DO THAT WITH YEAH ONE THAT THEY USE A LOT IS THAT ACTS CHAPTER 2 3839. I A LOT SHOW THAT WHILE YOU NEED TO BE BAPTIZED AND CONFIRMED TO RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS ARE NOT BAPTIZING FROM THE Substance AND LEESVILLE USUALLY POINTS TO THAT VERSE SPECIFICALLY AND NEVER I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER ONCE BURIAL I BASICALLY TALK ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF ACTS CHAPTER 2. THAT'S PETER SPEAKING SPEAKING TO THOSE WHO THOSE JEWS WHO HAD KIND OF THE DAY. THEY MAY HAVE EITHER WILLINGLY OR OVERTLY SENT TO CHRIST DEATH, OR THEY MAY HAVE JUST BEEN PASSIVE OR MAYBE THE PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE WORRIED THAT BECAUSE NO THEY CAME TO THE REALIZATION OF THEIR SINS, AND THAT THAT THAT CHRIST OUR SAVIOR AND HAD DIETING ON SOME MAYBE THERE WILL WORRIED THAT THEIR DAY OF SALVATION IS PASSED AND THERE'S NO SALVATION FOR THEM AND SO THERE'S ALL THIS CONTEXTUAL INTERESTING GREAT AWESOME STOP THAT IS LOST IT'S NOT REALLY DIVULGE ANY JUST SKIP STRAIGHT TO CHAPTER 2, VERSE 39 AND USE AS A PROOF TEXT, AND YOU MISS A LOT OF YEAH JUST LOVE THE RICHNESS IN THE BACKGROUND WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING TAUGHT.

THERE ARE STILL MAYBE SOME DEBATE, EVEN AMONGST CHRISTIANS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING SAID THERE BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK JUST JUST NOT EVEN TRYING AT ALL TO DO ANY OF THE TEXTUAL ANALYSIS IS JUST REALLY BAD IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT BEING PAID FOR BEING RESPECTFUL TO THE TEXT IN THE FAMILY, ONE, ONE THAT ALWAYS BRINGS TO MY MIND IS JOHN 519 WHEN I WAS KIND OF FRESHLY OUT OF THE LDS CHURCH AND KIND BEGINNING TO TRY TO WITNESS TO LATTER DAY SAINTS AS A CHRISTIAN I REMEMBER TALKING TO ONE GUY ONLINE ABOUT ABOUT KNOW LDS USE OF OF THE ECOSYSTEM AND BECOMING GODS THEMSELVES IN, AND SHE USED THE GP THROUGH THIS PASSAGE AT ME AND JOHN 519 SO JESUS SAID TO THEM, TRULY, TRULY, I SAY TO THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIS OWN ACCORD, BUT ONLY THAT WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DOING FOR WHATEVER THE FATHER DOES, THAT THE SUN DOES LIKEWISE.

AND SHE IMPLIED THAT WHAT THAT PASSAGE MEANS IS THAT THE. THE SUN IS GOING THROUGH MORTAL PROBATION, JUST LIKE THE FATHER DID. BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY THE JOE SMITH USES THIS PASSAGE IN THE KING FOLLETT SERMON AND I REMEMBER FEELING LIKE I WAS PULLING MY HAIR OUT WITH THIS GUY LIKE I KEPT ASKING THE QUESTION.

YOU KNOW LIKE SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE IS THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIS OWN ACCORD, EXCEPT THAT WHICH HE SEES THE FATHER DOING SO HE DOES. HE'S DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE FATHER DO IN HIS MORTAL PROBATION YOU BUT THERE'S WHOLE OF THE MEANING.

THAT IS, DROPPED INTO THIS PASSAGE AND YOU KNOW IF YOU ZOOM OUT AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE PASSAGE OF JOHN FIVE WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT. THERE IS THAT THE HEALING AT THE POOL ON THE SABBATH RIGHT JESUS HEALS A MAN AT THE POOL OF BETHESDA AND BETTY SEXTON AND CRITICIZED BY THE PHARISEES FOR HAVING DONE SO BECAUSE HE DID WORK ON THE SABBATH. AND SO WHEN JESUS IS SAYING HERE. LOOK AT MY FATHER'S WORKING AND I'M WORKING UNTIL NOW IN VERSE 17 AND THEN IN 19 SAYS TRULY TRULY DECIDE TO DO NOTHING IS ON THE COURT.

SHE'S MAKING A CASE THAT THAT THE FATHER IS FEELING RIGHT. AND HE'S FEELING ALSO, HE'S NOT MAKING A CASE THAT HE'S COMING TO EARTH TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THE FATHER DID ON HIS OR NO SELECT YOU CAN YOU CAN REALLY GET LOST IN WHAT THE PASSAGE MEANS IF YOU JUST MYOPICALLY LOOK AT THAT ONE PASSAGE AND NO ZOOM OUT TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE PSALM 82 JOHN 10 REFERENCE IS NOT SENIOR WHILE YOU ARE GOD'S THAT SO OFTEN QUOTED TO PROVE THAT WE ARE EITHER LITERAL OFFSPRING OF GOD, OR THAT WE CAN BECOME GOD. SO YEAH, THAT'S AN INLET. WE'VE EVEN TALKED ABOUT HOW WE HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT PASSAGE TO SOLITUDE BUT BUT BUT BOTH OF US IN THE VARIOUS CHRISTIAN UNDERSTANDINGS I'VE READ, DON'T COME SEE WHAT STATES DO SO EVEN EVEN IF WE DO DISAGREE, EVEN IF WE MIGHT NOT COME POSITIVELY TO THE SAME UNDERSTANDING OF THE TEXT WE CAN ALL WE CAN RULE OUT WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY BY TRYING TO DO IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND DOING HER HOMEWORK TO UNDERSTAND THE TEXT WHAT'S TRYING TO TELL US WHAT ABOUT THE GRAMMATICAL AND SYNTACTICAL SOCIETY THINK THAT SUPPORT YOUR EAR.

THE SEMINARIAN SO SO YOU KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IS PERFECTLY RIGHT AND DEFINITELY NOT PERFECTLY. I AM NO EXPERT. I'VE TAKEN TWO SEMESTERS OF EACH HEBREW AND GREEK. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME AN EXPERT THAT MAKES ME JUST ENOUGH KNOW JUST ENOUGH TO BE A LITTLE DANGEROUS, BUT THE LEXICAL SYNTACTICAL ANALYSIS. GRAMMATICAL AND SYNTACTICAL ANALYSIS IS IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR WORDS HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS CAN HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS CAN HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.

WRITE THE CONTEXT OF HOW WORDS ARE USED CAN CAN CHANGE THEIR MEANING AND ALSO THEY CAN HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS AT DIFFERENT HISTORICAL PERIOD IN DIFFERENT HISTORICAL PERIODS OF TIME. I THINK EVERYBODY IS ALL OF US ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE WAY THAT THE MEANING OF WORDS SHIFT OVER TIME.

SLANG SHIPPING OF THE MEANING OF SLANG SHIFTS. IN OTHER WORDS AS WELL JUST BIG DATING CAN MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT TIMES AND SO THAT THAT'S WHY LEXICAL SYNTACTICAL ANALYSIS IS IMPORTANT IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT OKAY WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF A PARTICULAR BOOK OF SCRIPTURE WAS WRITTEN, AND WHAT DID THE WORDS OF THOSE THE WORDS USED BY THE AUTHOR MEAN IN THAT PARTICULAR TIME IN HISTORY IN THE WAY THAT THAT IS STUDIED IS BY LOOKING AT SO YOU KNOW, PAUL USES WHILE THE APOSTLE USES WORDS IN WAYS THAT A MINUTE AND EVEN CREATE SOME WORDS RIGHT LIKE THE APOSTOLIC BUT YOU DON'T FIND ANYWHERE ELSE. BUT THEN SHE USES LOTS OF EVERYDAY POINTED RECORDS RIGHT YOU DO FIND IN OTHER CONTEXTS AND OTHER GREEK WRITINGS OF THE SAME HISTORICAL. AND SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND SCHOLARS GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW IS THIS WORD USED IN THESE OTHER WRITINGS OF THE SAME. UNDERSTAND WHAT PAUL MIGHT MEAN BY IT, BUT EVEN THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WAY THAT PAUL USES THOSE SAME WORDS IN OTHER PARTS OF HIS OWN WRITINGS TO UNDERSTAND IS HE USING A PARTICULAR WORD IN A WAY THAT IS IDIOSYNCRATIC TO THE WAY IT'S USED IN BROAD ARBORICULTURE AND CAN YOU TELL THAT FROM THE WAY HE USES IT THROUGHOUT HIS WRITINGS SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY THAT STEP IS IMPORTANT AND THAT'S GREAT. I GOT I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY STUDYING OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES, BUT I WATCH PROGRAMS LIKE IT OR HOW MUCH I WATCHED ENJOYED SLANG LANGUAGE. I REALLY LIKE LIKE WATCHING LEGIONNAIRES TEACHINGS SERIES.

THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEY'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THERE'S A SEMANTIC DOMAIN WILL HAVE A RANGE OF POSSIBLE TALKING ABOUT IS TRYING TO IT'S IT'S SAD BECAUSE I IS YOU CHRISTIANS DUE TO NOT JUST AS A LOT OF CHRISTIANS DO IT WHERE THEY MAY SEE THE WORD SOMEWHERE AND THEN THEY LOOK AT STRONG'S CONCORDANCE AND THE PICK THE WORD THAT THEY WANT TO USE LIKE WELL HERE'S ONE OF 20 DIFFERENT POSSIBLE LEAKS SO THAT SOMEONE THAT THE MOST. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING RATHER THAN YOU NOT LIKE HE SAID TRY TO DO THE ANALYSIS THAT WE AS A POSSIBLE RANGE OF NEEDS AND MAY BE ELIMINATED. THERE ARE MAKE CONNECTIONS TO DIFFERENT PASSAGES OR LIKE HE SAID HISTORICAL CULTURAL CONTEXT AROUND THEM SEE IT HE'S USING IT THE SAME WAY THE CULTURE AROUND THEM. USED IT IS THAT WE WE JUST WANT TO PICK A WORD THAT FITS THE DEFINITION OF THIS WILL BE WANT TO SAY SO THAT'S ANOTHER. WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING FOR DOING THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS POLICY IS WHAT ABOUT THE THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS SO I I KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT AS TAKING THE CONTEXT OF TAKING ALL THIS ANALYSIS, INTERPRETING, IN TERMS OF OUR BELIEFS IS THAT KIND OF WHAT IT MEANS TO LOGICAL ANALYSIS OR IS IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IS MORE LIKE IT'S MORE LIKE LOOKING AT WHAT THE THEOLOGY WAS OF AN AUTHOR OF THE BOOK OF SCRIPTURE BECAUSE NOT NOT ALL AUTHORS YOU AND I HAVE DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDINGS OF THEOLOGY RIGHT. THE AUTHORS OF SCRIPTURE SCRIPTURE IN THE SAME WAY RIGHT SO I'M IN ENTITIES AND COMPARED COMPARE AND CONTRAST YOUR THING TO TO TO MAKE A POINT SO LATTER-DAY ST. VIEWS OF HOW SCRIPTURE COMES TO BE ARE INFLUENCED BY THE WAY THAT JOSEPH SMITH PRODUCED SCRIPTURE AS JOSEPH PRODUCES WRITINGS WHICH ARE ACCEPTED BY LATTER DAY SAINTS TO BE SCRIPTURE IF A BIT OF THE SPEAKING CLEARLY FROM MY CURRENT PERSPECTIVE SO YOU KNOW WHETHER WHETHER YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THAT JOSEPH SMITH HAD PLATES IN FRONT OF HIM AND PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE WITH SOME SPECTACLES THAT WERE BLESSED BY GOD TO ALLOW HIM TO BSC HERE IN AND READ AN ANCIENT LANGUAGE THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW PERSONALLY OR YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THAT JOSEPH SMITH PUT HIS SEER STONE INTO A HAT AND PUT HIS FACE INTO A HAT AND THE WORDS THAT WERE THE ANALOG TO WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON THE PLATES WERE PRESENTED TO THEM IN WITHIN THE HAT AND HE WOULD THEN DICTATE THAT WHATEVER WHATEVER METHOD YOU BELIEVE JOSEPH SMITH USED THAT IS NOT THE METHOD. CHRISTIANS BELIEVE GOD USED TO BREATHE OUT SCRIPTURE TO THE AUTHORS OF THE BIBLE, CHRISTIANS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD USED THE AUTHORS OF SCRIPTURE LIKE A DICTAPHONE AND THAT HE REMOVED THEIR AUTONOMY AND THEY WROTE EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED THEM TO WRITE. CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT GOD USED THE AUTHORS OF SCRIPTURE AND THEIR OWN PERSONALITIES AND THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDINGS TO BREATHE OUT WHAT HE WANTED TO CONVEY. ULTIMATELY, IT ULTIMATELY GOD IS THE AUTHOR BUT NOT IN A DICTAPHONE SENSE.

IF THAT MAKES. THAT'S IF THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. SO THE THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS THAT IS TAKING A LOOK AT A AN AUTHOR OF SCRIPTURE, AND IT INVOLVES LOOKING AT THEIR OTHER WRITINGS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MIGHT MEAN SO IT WOULD MEAN IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO INTERPRET WHAT PAUL IS TALKING ABOUT IN ROMANS YOU GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE REST OF HIS THEOLOGY PRESENTED IN HIS OTHER LETTERS, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT COME TO A PASSAGE IN ROMANS THAT IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MY PAUL MEAN HERE. WELL, GALATIANS MIGHT HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU DOING THERE WITH THE ALLOWED THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS IS A MAKE SENSE AND YOU WOULD ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DOUBLE TEST BECAUSE HE WOULD'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXACTLY DIP SCRIPTURES THAT CAME BEFORE SCRIPTURES THAT CAME AFTER THIS. IT'S THE IDEA THAT SCRIPTURE IS CONSISTENT RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S BREATHED OUT BY GOD. THERE IS ULTIMATELY ONE AUTHOR BUT IS NOT DONE IN A DICTAPHONE SENSE SO YOU CAN GATHER A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PAUL MIGHT MEAN OR WHAT JESUS MY MEANING IN SOME OF THE SAYINGS OF JESUS THAT ARE RECORDED IN THE GOSPELS BY LOOKING AT THE WAY YOU USE THE OLD TESTAMENT SO YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU DO ON THEIR THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS. OKAY GREAT YEAH AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF I MUST'VE ALL JUST LIKE BIPOLAR JUST A CRAZY PERSON AND HE MEANS SOMETHING IN ONE. ONE PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE PUT A CONTRADICTORY CHOICE, AS ELSEWHERE, IS IMPORTANT TO TO KNOW WHY HE SAID WHAT HE SAYS ONE PLACE VERSUS ANOTHER JOURNEY TO WHICH WE DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HE'S BIPOLAR OR FRANTIC WHEN HE READ SOMETHING SOMEWHERE IS CONSISTENT WITH MAYBE AN ADMIN EXAMPLE HELP.

SO JESUS SAYS DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND IN THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE UP RIGHT THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF THAT STATEMENT.

YOU'RE GOING TO ASK WHAT WHAT DID THE APOSTLES WHO HEARD HIM SAY THAT, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WOULD THE PHARISEES HAVE UNDERSTOOD HIM TO MEAN RIGHT. GIVEN WHAT THEY UNDERSTAND OF UNDERSTOOD OF THEOLOGY AND ENDS IN THE REVELATION OF GOD AND THE AUTHOR WHO RECORDS THAT STATEMENT OF JESUS CLARIFIES FOR US RIGHT. HE SAYS HE WAS SPEAKING OF HIS BODY SPEEDING AT THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY RIGHT HE GIVES US THAT THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS THAT HEY, THE, THE APOSTLES, WHO WERE TRAVELING AROUND WITH JESUS AS HE PREACHED THAT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE TIME THAT AN UNDERSTANDING WAS SETTING HIS FACE TOWARDS JERUSALEM FOR A PURPOSE AND SO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHAT HE MEANT AT THE TIME KNOW. BUT THE AUTHOR WHO WROTE LATER WAS ABLE TO SAY HE WAS SPEAKING OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY SO DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE MCKENNA CAME UP IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH BEN AND DARREN ON THE COVENANTS SO ANYTHING IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD STUDY HOW SOMEONE WOULD'VE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY'RE WRITING THEMSELVES, BUT THEY DIDN'T QUITE HAVE THE CLEAREST AIR FORCE PICTURE OF WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY WRITING WHAT THEY'RE INSPIRED TO WRITE THIS YEAH YEAH I THINK I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY. YEAH, I THINK. I THINK THAT HAS TO DO WITH.

ALSO, THE NEXT QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT HOW WE BELIEVE IN THE DUAL AUTHORSHIP OF SCRIPTURE THAT THERE SCRIPTURES DOCTRINE BY MAN, BUT IT'S ALSO GOD SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT THEY WROTE THAT THEY SAW OR HEARD OR UNDERSTOOD BUT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND FULLY THE CLEAREST UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT GOD WAS TRYING TO BAYER WAS TRYING TO INSPIRED SEE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE IMAGES IN THE TYPES THE SHADOWS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT, THE ANIMAL SACRIFICES MAY BE. MOSES HIMSELF TO BE NO GENUINE UNDERSTAND THE FULL EXTENT OF WHAT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SYMBOLOGY SACRIFICES IN THE ARK OF THE COVENANT WHAT THAT WAS POINTING TO CHRIST, SO YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE UNDERSTOOD YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW BUT I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH THERE THAT HE DID UNDERSTAND THAT HE WAS A BELIEVER, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN APPOINTED TO CHRIST.

TRUST IN GOD'S PROMISES OF THE MESSIAH THAT WAS SAVED SO MOVING ON A NEXT QUESTION SO AGREEMENT TALKING ABOUT THE BEGINNING AND YOU YOU REFERENCED THIS PASSAGE IN SECOND TIMOTHY 316 OR 17.

IT SAYS THAT ALL SCRIPTURE IS BREATHED OUT BY GOD AND PROFITABLE FOR TEACHING, FOR PROOF OR CORRECTION OF RETRAINING RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE COMPLETE. BUT FOR EVERY GOOD WORK AND ANOTHER PASSAGE IS A SECOND PETER 119 21, AND PETER SAYS HERE WE HAVE THE PROPHETIC WORD MORE FULLY CONFIRMED, TO WHAT YOU WILL DO WELL TO PAY ATTENTION AS TO A LAMP SHINING IN A DARK PLACE, UNTIL THE DAY DAWNS AND THE MORNING STAR RISES PARTS. KNOWING THIS FIRST OF ALL, THAT NO PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE COMES FROM SOMEONE'S OWN INTERPRETATION. NO PROPHECY WAS EVER PRODUCED BY THE WILL OF MAN, AND SPOKE GOD AS THEY WERE CARRIED ALONG BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. SO THESE ARE CAN APPROVE TEXTS THAT ARE USED IN AN I KNOW THAT MIGHT SEEM KINDA CONTRADICTORY TO EVEN TALK ABOUT.

I CAN STICK IT PASSAGE OUT OF CONTEXT AND IN THE AND USE IT TO PROVE WHAT YOU SAY BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO IN THE MORE NO MORE CONTEXT IN WHICH COMMENTARIES THESE ARE BASICALLY BOTH AFFIRMING THE GOD BREATHED NATURE OF SCRIPTURE THAT GOD SPOKE THROUGH THESE PROPHETS, AND THEY WROTE WHAT WAS INSPIRED TO THEM SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS FACT ALONE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT WITH MORE GIGGLES GO MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT WHY SPORT. SO HOW DOES SCRIPTURE BEING BREATHED OUT BY GOD OR SAUCES SAID EARLIER. HOW DOES THAT INFORM HOW WE INTERPRET SCRIPTURE VERSUS ANOTHER BOOK THAT IS NOT BREATHED OUT. SO I THINK I'LL YEAH I MEAN IT, IT MEANS THAT SCRIPTURE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY TO US THAT THOSE OF REAL IMPORTANCE. YOU CAN READ OTHER BOOKS YOU CAN READ HARRY POTTER.

YOU CAN READ THE LORD OF THE RINGS ANY OTHER BOOK THAT'S NOT INSPIRED SCRIPTURE AND IT CAN BE INSPIRING TO YOU RIGHT, YOU CAN READ ABOUT THE COURAGE OF SAM GAMGEE RIGHT AND BE INSPIRED BY THAT TO WANT TO BE COURAGEOUS AND IN PARTS OF YOUR LIFE THAT YOU MADE THE MAY REQUIRE YOU TO BE COURAGEOUS TO STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING BRAVE, BUT SCRIPTURE COMES TO US WITH THE IDEA THAT IT IS GOD BREATHED. THIS IS THE MESSAGE THAT GOD WANTS US TO HAVE IT SHOULDN'T. IT'S NOT JUST MEANT TO BE INSPIRING TO US IS NOT MEANT TO INSPIRE ST 5 POUND BURRITOS IS MEANT TO REVEAL TO US THE NATURE OF GOD'S PLAN FOR HUMANITY'S ULTIMATE VICTORY OVER EVIL. SO YEAH IT'S THE IDEA THAT GOD BREATHED OUT THIS MESSAGE TO THE WORLD. IT IT DEFINITELY INFORMS HOW WE SHOULD READ IT AND HOW WE SHOULD SEEK TO INTERPRET AND UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SURE THAT WE SHOULD AND TO ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID. I THINK IT WEEK WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE WHO VIEW THE BIBLE AS JUST ANOTHER SET OF BOOKS WRITTEN BY RACIST OR SEXIST MATTER. WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES MODERN CRITICAL BIBLICAL SCHOLARS WILL NOT TRY TO LOOK AT THE TEXT THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S INSPIRED BY GOD AND THAT MEANS THAT WHILE THIS BOOK DOESN'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT BUT THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO GROUP THAT WHEN THEY CAN BE CONTRADICTORY. THERE COULD BE WISER TO BE FALSE AS IT COULD BE ALL KINDS OF JUST BAD IDEAS BACK TEACHING AND SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM AND LEAVE THEM BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AS SOMETHING IT'S ALSO INSPIRING GOD. WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE AN EXTENDED CAN WE MEAN DO WE LOOK AT THIS IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ALSO TOXIC.

OUR GOD COULD PRODUCE LIES. YOU KNOW IF IF GOD IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND HE SAYS MELISSA'S WIFE TELLING KIND OF OBLIGATED THAT POINT TO LEAVE WHAT THE BOOK SAYS THAT IT IS TRUE THAT DOESN'T OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING LUIS. WHEN CHRISTIANS SAY THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUE AND THAT IS NOT STAR SO INFALLIBLE RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE FOR THE CHURCH WERE NOT SAYING YEAH WE PRACTICE THE LAW OF MOSES, SACRIFICING LAMBS AND AND DOVES AND GRAIN OFFERINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS ALL WE NEED MEAN THERE IS A HISTORICAL REDEMPTIVE HISTORICAL TEACHING KNOW WE WE WE BELIEVE THE CHRIST FULFILLED A LOT OF THE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MOSAIC LAW THAT WERE SAYING IS THAT EVERYTHING IS TAUGHT. THIS IS TRUE, SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THE SILLY PRACTICE EVERYTHING WE DO MINUTE.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THERE. THE BOOKS THAT ARE NO SINFUL LIKE YOU KNOW THERE'S EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE THAT COMMITTED SIN AGAINST GOD IS THAT'S THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT AN EXAMPLE OR TEACHING THAT WE SHOULD ALSO BE THE SAME SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW YOU INTERPRET SCRIPTURE, NOT JUST A Y BELIEVE IT IS I DO EVERYTHING IT SAYS BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT GIVE THEM UP AND SWEAR PLACES, BUT WE BUT WHEN WE READ IT WE SHOULD SAY OKAY THIS BOOK IS CONSISTENT WITH GOD SAYS IN ONE PLACE. HE'S GONNA BE TRUE AND CORRECT. IN ANOTHER PLACE. HE'S NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST WHAT SET ELSEWHERE, AND SO WHERE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OR TENSIONS AND IN TAX COURT. SEEMS LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAY BE CONTRADICTING US WHERE IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS ELSEWHERE. MAYBE IT JUST REQUIRES US TO DIG DEEPER LOOK AT WHICH LANGUAGES LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITIES OF OF HOW A TEXT MAY BE READ OR UNDERSTOOD AND INSTEAD OF FIRST COMING UP WITH THE IDEA THAT HEY THESE ARE JUST CONTRADICTORY. YOU KNOW THE BIBLE CONTRADICT THE CELLS IN THE AND MOVE ON. TRY TO UNDERSTAND MORE DEEPLY AND SEE. OKAY, HOW COULD WE RECONCILE PASSAGES. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY AREN'T CONTRADICTORY IN THAT THEY CAN BE RECONCILED. SO THERE'S A LOT TO TO THIS POINT THAT WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT BUT DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE IDEAS ON THAT THERE IS A LEVEL I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF FILLING IN PLACES WHERE WHERE I MISSED SO YEAH MILLION CORRECT.

YEAH THERE'S THERE'S ENTIRE SERMON.

TALK ABOUT PICTURES, GOD BREATHED, THEY CAN CHECK OUT ON SERMON AUDIO SO THE OTHERS WERE TRYING TO GET OUT LIKE A HIGH-LEVEL VIEW OF HERMENEUTICS, SO WE HOPE THIS IS HELPFUL TO TO THOSE ARE POOR LISTENING.

SO IN THE NEXT SECTION. TALK ABOUT SO III HAD TO THROW IN MY LITTLE METAL CHIPS BECAUSE THERE IS THERE DIFFERENT USE OF HER FOR ARROWROOT DIFFERENT VIEWS OF HERMENEUTICS.

SO I DETHRONED MY CHIPS IS IN TERMS OF FOUR MAJOR PRINCIPLES FROM SPECIFICALLY REFORMED, FIXED, AND THESE ARE WHAT I LEARNED WHEN I WAS READING RICHARD R SAUCES GETTING THE GARDEN RIGHT TALKS ABOUT THESE FOUR PRINCIPLES AND HOW THESE WERE FOUR OF THE MAJOR PRINCIPLES THAT THE MANY OF THE REFORMERS FOLLOWED WHEN THERE INTERPRET SCRIPTURE.

THERE'S OTHER RULES, BUT THESE ARE, FOR MOST FUNDAMENTAL ONES. SO ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE ONLY INFALLIBLE INTERPRETER OF SCRIPTURE IS HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO THE ANALOGY OF THE SCRIPTURES AS LANTERNS FOR THIS DEMOCRATIC BUT THEMSELVES DUBIOUS EQUIVALENT. THE SECOND IS THE ANALOGY OF THE SCRIPTURES WHICH IS WHERE IT BASICALLY YOU DEFER TO CLEAR PASSAGES ON THE SAME TOPIC IS A PASSAGE IS LESS CLEAR. AND THERE'S THE ANALOGY OF FAITH WHERE IT THAT WOULD IT'S THE CONCEPT OF THE BELIEF THAT SCRIPTURE IS CONSISTENT WE SHOULD EXAMINE ALL OF SCRIPTURE TOGETHER AND THERE'S A SCOPE OF SCRIPTURE WHICH IS A SCRIPTURE IS ULTIMATELY CHRIST ENTERED SAYS KRISTA CENTRIC. SO WE THINK OF THESE PRINCIPLES. POLITY THINK THESE ARE VALUABLE, OR ANY WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THEM OR WOULD YOU MODIFY THEM SLIGHTLY. YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE VERY VALUABLE. I DON'T TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE, SO THE ONLY INFALLIBLE INTERPRETER. SCRIPTURE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. I AGREE WITH THAT 100%, WHICH IS WHY COMPARISON WITH OTHER INTERPRETERS THE LAST OF HERMENEUTICS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE GOAL OF OF READING SCRIPTURE AND STUDYING SCRIPTURE IS TO ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT TO IMPRESS UPON YOU THE MEANING OF SCRIPTURE IN A WAY THAT CHANGES YOUR HEART IN A WAY THAT IF YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN LEADS YOU TO THE HEART TRANSPLANT THAT MAKES YOU ONE.

AND IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN IN A WAY THAT LEADS YOU TO A LIFE OF HOLINESS AND SANCTIFICATION, AND BEING CLEANSED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM FROM SIN SO THAT THE ONLY INFALLIBLE TERM TO RESTRICTORS A HOLY SPIRIT AGREEMENT THAT A PASSAGE FROM THE BIBLE THAT THE TOUCHES ON THAT IS JOHN CHAPTER 16 VERSE 13 THIS WHOLE PASSAGE THROUGH THEIR THROUGH THIS SECTION, JESUS IS TALKING ABOUT THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL DO ONCE JESUS LEAVES HIS DISCIPLES AND ASCENDS TO HEAVEN AND THE HOLY SPIRIT DESCENDS, AND HE SAYS IN VERSE 16% VERSE 13 THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH COMES, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH. FOR HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY, BUT WHATEVER HE HEARS HE WILL SPEAK AND HE WILL DECLARE TO YOU THE THINGS THAT ARE TO COME. HE WILL GLORIFY ME, FOR HE WILL TAKE WHAT IS MINE AND DECLARE TO YOU OF THE FATHER HAS MIND. THEREFORE I SAID THAT HE WILL TAKE WHAT IS MINE AND DECLARE TO YOU, THIS VERSE 13 TO 15 OF JOHN 16 SO YEAH, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH.

THE ONLY INFALLIBLE INTERPRETER. SCRIPTURE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THE ANALOGY OF THE SCRIPTURES DEFER TO CLEAR PASSAGES ON THE SAME TOPIC. IF THERE IS A PASSAGE THAT IS LESS CLEAR.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT ONE WIT. DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON AN EXAMPLE THAT WE COULD GIVE FOR LISTENERS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD SHOW THAT PRINCIPAL TERRY YEAH SO ONE THING THAT ALWAYS POINT OUT IS A LOT OF TIMES WHEN TIGER AND LET US INSTALL DELL POINT TO A PARABLE OF JESUS TO TRY TO USE THAT AS THE FORMULA FOR HOW WE ARE JUSTIFIED LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT DOUG MIGHT POINT TO LIKE THE PARABLE OF THE TALENTS WILL SAY WELL YOU KNOW ONE PERSON CAME BACK WITH 10 TOWNS FIVE YOU KNOW AND AND TRY TO USE THAT TO BACK FILTER TO SAVE ALL YOU KNOW THERE'S THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS JUSTIFICATION. YOU KNOW, YET YOU HAVE TO GIVE TO JESUS BACK WHAT HE GAVE YOU OR ELSE YOU'LL BE KNOW YOU'LL BE LIKE THE ONE WHO HIT HIM IN THE TALENTS AND THE FLOOR IN THE GROUND IN THE WG DEMO SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE TO GIVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU GET BACK YOU NEED TO TRY TO USE THAT CHARACTER STAN BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT IS TALKING ABOUT A SOLID TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC OF JUSTIFICATION.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD DEFER TO PASSAGE ROMANS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE PAUL IS EXPLICITLY IT'S A DIDACTIC PASSAGE SPECIFICALLY IN CHAPTER 25 OF WHOLE BOOK, BUT ONE THROUGH FIVE PARTICULAR LEADING UP TO OKAY HOW ARE WE RIGHT WITH GOD.

HOW ARE WE SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS BY WORKS, OR IS IT BY BY FAITH ALONE THROUGH GRACE AND SO YOU SHOULD REFER TO PASSAGES LIKE THAT JUSTIFICATION BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLEAR IT'S INTENTIONALLY AN INSTRUCTIVE BOOK ON ON THE THAT VERY TOPIC OF JUSTIFICATION AND I THINK ONE OF THE CLEAREST PASSAGES WILL FIND ON THE TOPIC JUSTIFICATION SO WE SHOULD REFER TO TO DEFER TO PASSAGES LIKE THAT AND THEN WE UNDERSTAND JUSTIFICATION THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND UNDERSTAND THE PARABLES OF JESUS AND IN OTHER PASSAGES AND UNDERSTAND OKAY EITHER. THIS IS NOT TALKING MUCH VACATION AT ALL OR ARE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN LIGHT OF WHAT CAUSED IT. LATER, TO ANNOTATE, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT GOD IS TRYING TO JUST ABOUT SALVATION.

SO THAT'S COMES ONE IDEA I HAVE OFTEN HAD GOOD IS A GOOD ONE. SO THE NEXT PRINCIPLE OF THE ANALOGY OF FAITH SCRIPTURES CONSISTENTLY SHOULD EXAMINE ALL OF SCRIPTURE TOGETHER IT. UNLESS THIS SIMILAR TO TWO THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS RIGHT.

THE IDEA BEING THAT LIKE YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE PAUL IS NOT SCHIZOPHRENIC. HE THAT THE TERM USED REDUCE DIFFERENT YET. YES, THE PAUSE THAT SCHIZOPHRENIC. HE DOESN'T MEAN ONE THING AND ONE PLACE AND ANOTHER THING IN ANOTHER PLACE, AND NEITHER DOES GOD IN BREATHING OUT THE SCRIPTURE SO I YEAH I AGREE WITH THE ANALOGY OF FAITH AND THEN FINALLY THE SCOPE OF SCRIPTURE. SCRIPTURE IS CHRIST CENTERED. YES, I AGREE WITH THAT ONE OR PERCENT WHEN JESUS WALKED WITH THE DISCIPLES ON THE ROAD TO EMMAUS AFTER THE RESURRECTION. SHE IS SAID TO HAVE OPENED THE SCRIPTURES TO HIM OR TO THEM AND SAID TO THEM THAT THEY THEY ALL SPEAK OF HIM. SO YEAH, THE SCOPE OF SCRIPTURE IS CHRIST CENTERED, BECAUSE CHRIST IS GOD'S PLAN OF REDEMPTION FOR FOR HUMANITY. SO YEAH, I REALLY LIKE ALL THE OLD AND I CAN FIND THE PROJECT LEADER I WHEN I WAS READING IS FOR THE FIRST TIME AS I CAN MAKE SENSE.

I MEAN IT'S KIND LIKE IT'S KIND LIKE A NOTE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN CALICO NO DEMOS WHEN YOU'RE READING KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READING ASSIGNED A MANUAL FOR OPERATING SOME THINGS LIKE, YEAH. OBVIOUSLY, YET THE ELECTRICAL CORD IN THE RIGHT WAY AND THE OUTLET FOR US TO ELECTROCUTE BUT THE SAME TIME. A LOT OF TIMES THINGS ARE QUITE THAT OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO BE BY EXPRESSLY STATING THEM.

IT ALL CLICKS AND ALEX AND SO IT'S LIKE WE HAVE COURSE TO KNOW BOY SPIRIT IS ONLY INFALLIBLE INTERPRET SCRIPTURE BUT ONCE YOU REALIZE AN UNDERSTANDING SAY OKAY SO WHEN THE NEW TESTAMENT QUOTES THE OLD TESTAMENT AND GIVES YOU THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT PASSAGE MEANS THAT'S THE MEANING OF THE PASSAGE, SO WE SHOULD TAKE.

THAT IS, WHAT'S THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION AND NOT SOME OTHER DICTATION AND SO WHEN WE REALLY STARTED UNDERSTANDING FROM THE HERMENEUTICAL PRINCIPLES, BUT IN PRACTICE IT WAS STRETCHED OPEN OF THE SCRIPTURES LEAST ASKED FOR ME. I COULD CERTAINLY DO BETTER, BUT AT LEAST BEING CONSCIOUS OF.

AND THESE AREN'T DESIGNED NO EXTENSIVE THESE AREN'T THE ONLY MEDICAL PRINCIPLES BUT THESE ARE CATLIKE THE BASICS IT A LOT OF THE REFORMS AGREED GIVE ME AGREED-UPON AND AN EVEN EVEN EVEN NOWADAYS I THINK IT'S STILL VALUABLE ESPECIALLY LIKE WE TALKED. I WAS WITH CRITICAL SCHOLARSHIP. A LOT OF THESE ARE KIND. IT'S BEEN KIND OF THROWN UP LIKE LOGO SEE THE OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT CHRIST CENTERED IT'S IT'S NO WRITINGS FROM SOMEBODY YOU HAD SOME KIND OF IDEAS ARE SOME SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE AND THEN CHRISTIANITY CAME LATER AND TOOK THESE WRITINGS USE THAT AS THE BACK STORY FOR THEIR NEW RELIGION SO BUT BUT SINCE WE DO BELIEVE IN GOD AND BELIEVE THAT HE INSPIRED ALL OF SCRIPTURE, NOT JUST PARTS OF THAT. THEN WE YOU WE NEED TO VIEW IT AS SUCH UNIT IS CONSISTENT BOOK OF INSPIRED WRITINGS SUCH ANYTHING TO ADD ABOUT THIS. THIS PART, NOT ON THE EXCEL. IT SEEMS LIKE I HOPE I'M NOT REPEATING MYSELF A LOT, BUT YOU KNOW SOMETIMES TALKING ABOUT IT THAT GETS THE JUICES FLOWING. IF YOUR PEERS ALSO TIMES OR KICK SOMETHING HERE THAT'LL HAVE AMAZINGLY GOOD SO WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE TIMES. EVEN IF YOU HAVE SAME INTERPRETATION OF THAT OLOGIES OR PENCIL GOALS THAT YOU COULD DO SEVERAL CHRISTIANS TO COME TO THE TEXT OF SCRIPTURE NOT UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THE SAME WAY.

SO EVEN IF THEY UNDERSTAND THE TYPE OF LITERATURE IT IS OR WHAT KIND OF TEXT. IT IS PRINCIPLES THEY STILL MIGHT COME TO DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS. SO DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A PASSAGE WHERE CHRISTIANS MAY INTERPRET IT DIFFERENTLY AND EXPLAIN WHY DC GETS INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY AND IS THIS A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY SO I THINK.

JAMES CHAPTER 2 IS A GOOD LOOK AT THE SOONER I FIND THE PASSAGE SO THIS IS THAT THIS IS A COMMON ONE THAT DID LATTER DAY SAINTS USE BUT BUT ALSO SOME CHRISTIANS MAY USE AS WELL.

DEPENDING ON THEIR VIEW OF HOW ONE IS SAVED JAMES CHAPTER 2 VERSES 17 VERSE 17, 18, 19, SO ALSO FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT DOES NOT HAVE WORKS, IS DEAD. BUT SOMEONE WILL SAY YOU HAVE FAITH AND I HAVE WORKS.

SHOW ME YOUR FAITH APART FROM YOUR WORKS, AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY FAITH BY MY WORKS. YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE. YOU DO WELL, EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE IN SHUTTER DO YOU WANT TO BE SHOWN, YOU FOOLISH PERSON THAT FAITH APART FROM WORKS IS USELESS. WAS NOT ABRAHAM OUR FATHER JUSTIFIED BY WORKS WHEN HE OFFERED UP HIS SON ISAAC ON THE ALTAR. YOU SEE THAT FAITH WAS ACTIVE, ALONG WITH HIS WORKS AND FAITH WAS COMPLETED BY THIS WORKS SO THIS PASSAGE IS OFTEN THROWN UP TO SUGGEST THAT THE IDEA THAT ONE IS SAVED BY GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE IS A FALSE TEACHING BECAUSE HERE YOU HAVE JAMES CLEARLY TEACHING AGAINST THAT. SO, SOME THINK, BUT I KEPT READING BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE TALKED ABOUT DOING CONTEXTUAL ANALYSIS RIGHT. I KEPT READING BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS IS IMPORTANT TO READ NOT JUST YOU KNOW VERSE 17 WEARS ASSAULTS ALSO FAITH BY ITSELF DOES NOT HAVE WORKS, IS DEAD, OR VERSE 24 YOU SEE THAT A PERSON IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE. LATTER DAY SAINTS REALLY LIKE VERSE 24 BECAUSE THERE LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THE FAITH ALONE IS THE WORDS FAITH OLD AND ALONE ARE FOUND NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN THE BIBLE SO CLEARLY THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN BE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE IS NOT TRUE BUT JAMES IS PRETTY CLEAR I THINK ABOUT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT RIGHT. HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A BELIEVER AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY WORKS AND HE'S NOT SAYING I DON'T THINK THAT YOUR WORKS SAVE YOU IS NOT SAYING HEY YOU HAVE TO DO THESE WORKS TO BE SAVED IS SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE TRUE FAITH.

IF YOUR HEART HAS BEEN CHANGED THAT WILL BE REFLECTED IN YOUR WORKS. SO IF SOMEONE IS SAYING I HAVE TRUE FAITH AND THEIR WORKS DO NOT REFLECT THE LIFE OF A TRUE BELIEVER THEN THERE NOT A SAVED PERSON AND WOULD THE POINT THAT HE MAKES ABOUT ABRAHAM I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE SAYS WAS NOT ABRAHAM OUR FATHER JUSTIFIED BY WORKS WHEN HE OFFERED UP HIS SON ISAAC ON THE ALTAR.

YOU SEE THAT FAITH WAS ACTIVE, ALONG WITH HIS WORKS AND FAITH WAS COMPLETED BY HIS WORKS HE HE STRESSES THERE. THE HEAD OF THE INTERTWINED NATURE OF WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE THE HEART TRANSPLANT.

WHEN GOD CHANGES YOUR HEART AND YOU HAVE A CHANGE OF MIND AND YOU REPENT AND YOU RELY FULLY ON THE GRACE OF GOD OFFERED THROUGH CHRIST YOUR LIFE CHANGES YOUR WORKS CHANGE AND AND YOU JUST JUST AS ABRAHAM TRUSTED GOD RIGHT HE BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS, AS PAUL EMPHASIZES FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT STORY OF ABRAHAM'S TRUST AND THAT TRUST IS WORKED OUT THROUGH FAITH WHICH INCLUDES GOOD WORKS. THE KIND OF GOOD WORKS OF PAUL ARE THAT JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT THROUGHOUT THIS CHAPTER, WHICH IS THE WORKS OF OF OF LOVE TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER RIGHT AND SO THAT'S 11 PASSAGE I THINK OF OFFHAND WHAT YOU THINK OF MATTHEW AS GREAT TO GET FOR DIVING INTO THE GYM.

CHAPTER 21 PASSAGE THAT IMMEDIATELY COMES TO MIND IS THE ONE THAT CAUSED THE ECCLESIASTICAL DIVISION IN THE EARLY REFORMATION WHICH IS JOHN CHAPTER 6 WHEN, AND WAS OF THE DIAGRAMS PHARAOH WHICH ONE WAS IT. I FORGET THAT I FORGET THE COUNTS OF THE METHOD BASICALLY SINGLY. LUTHER MET TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC OF THE LORD'S SUPPER. THEY AGREED ON MULTIPLE POINTS OF DOCTRINE KNOWN THROUGHOUT THAN WHAT THEY GOT.

ONCE I GOT TO THE POINT OF THE LORD'S SUPPER AND THE NATURE OF THE REAL PRESENCE IN THE SUPPER.

THAT'S WITH A DISAGREEMENT AS VARIOUS IDEAS OR ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED, BUT KNOWS WHEN A COW OR NO LOSER JUST KEPT POUNDING ON THE TABLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT INSANE THE LATIN WORDS THAT THE PRIESTS, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD USED THE SAY THIS IS MY BODY CAUCUS CORPUS MAN AND YOU JUST POUNDING ON THE TABLE ALREADY WROTE IT ON THE TABLE IS SO SO YEAH WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY TALK AFTER SIX PLAN OR ARE NOT JOHN CHAPTER 6 RE: THE INSTITUTION OF THE LORD'S SUPPER WHEN JESUS SAID EAT. TAKE THIS THING ON THIS. MY BODY ARE TAKE DRINKS MY BLOOD OF THE NEW COVENANT IS HE TALKING ABOUT THIS LITERALLY IS HE TALKING SAYING THAT HIS PHYSICAL BODY AND BLOOD ARE PRESENT IN WHAT SUPPER OR IS HE TALKING ABOUT SYMBOLISM, ONLY THAT THIS IS SYMBOLIC OF HIS BODY AND BLOOD IN THE SUPPER OR IS HE TALKING ABOUT A SPIRITUAL PRESENCE WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT CALVIN HAD IN LUTHER AND ZWINGLI HAD A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPIRITUAL PRESENCE, SO WHAT IS THIS WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE REAL PRESENCE OF THE LORD'S SUPPER AND DOUBT THAT DEBATE HISTORICALLY WAS THE FIRST REAL DIVISION OF CHRISTIANS IN THE REFORMATION YOU KNOW WHEN THEY JUST COULDN'T RECONCILE THAT ZWINGLI AND LUTHER. THEY HAD A SEPARATION AND YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ANATHEMATIZED EACH OTHER EXACTLY WHAT THEY JUST COULD NOT RECONCILE RICK AND JOHN CALVIN AND OTHERS TRY TO HAVE COME LIKE A MIDDLE WAY WERE THE TRIED TO RECONCILE THE TWO SIDES BUT ULTIMATELY THERE WAS NO PERFECT RECONCILIATION HAPPEN SO THERE WE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT. WE DO TALK ABOUT IS CHRISTIANITY, BUT THE SAME TIME THERE IS. THERE HAS BEEN HISTORICAL DIVISIONS IN THE CHURCH IS IN INTERPRETATION OF THIS PASSAGE AS A WHOLE.

I THINK IF YOU TALK TO TALK TO MY LUTHERAN FRIENDS WHO BELIEVE IN THAT JESUS'S BODY AND WHAT IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE SUPPER OF THE SACRAMENTAL PRESENCE SOMETHING THAT LIKE ROMAN CATHOLICS BELIEVE OR TALK TO MY BAPTIST FRIENDS TO WERE NOT REFORMED AND WHO HAVE MORE OF A SYMBOLIC VIEW OF THE LORD SUPPER OR A MEMORIAL VIEW WE WE DON'T. I DON'T SEE DISCUSSION OF THE BEST THING WHEN YOU'RE NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN BELIEVER OVER THIS THIS DEBATE THIS TOPIC. WE DO WE DO IS GET HEATED DEBATE, SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY FEEL VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT OUR UNDERSTANDING SCRIPTURE, BUT I THOUGHT THE SAME SINGLE UNITED STATES CHRISTIAN.

SO WE DO STILL HAVE CHRISTIAN UNITY BEHIND THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE SAINTS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE HAD TO HAVE THE STAR DISAGREEMENT ON THE LORD SUPPER AND YOU KNOW SOMETIMES I THINK 12 I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THE DENOMINATIONAL LINES THAT EXIST ON EARTH I'M NOT GOING TO EXTEND TO HEAVEN AND SO WE MAY GET THERE AND WE MAY REALIZE. WELL, ACTUALLY THERE WAS NO THERE WASN'T SO YOU KNOW THERE'S JUST SO MANY ASPECTS TO THEOLOGY AND DOCTRINE THAT WE THAT WE CAN KNOW PERFECTLY ON THE SIDE OF LANE OF HEAVEN SO THERE MANY THINGS WILL EARN ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE TESTING OURSELVES BY SCRIPTURE. BE CONSISTENT READING SCRIPTURE IN IRON SHARPENS IRON. WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE WILLING TO THINK CRITICALLY AND TEST WHAT WE BELIEVE AND NOT JUST SAY WILL THIS WHAT I BELIEVE AND STICK TO IT.

CERTAIN THINGS IN THE GOSPEL AND ON CHRIST CHRISTOLOGY THEOLOGY.

WE SHOULD DEFINITELY USE HELP PUT HER PITTER NAILS AND IN THE SAND AND NEVER GIVE UP ON THE THINGS OF CHRIST, DIVINITY, ENDING ON THE TRINITY. LET'S WE SHOULD BE WILLING TO BE TAUGHT BY THE WORD OF GOD GOING TO BE MOLDED BY IT AND BE SHAPED BY SO THAT'S ONE PASSAGE THAT THAT WAS WOULD BE INTERESTING WHERE THE RING UP AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THESE EPISODES AS WELL THAT'S GOOD I LIKE IT YEAH THERE'S THERE'S DEFINITELY PASSAGES AND I TALKED ABOUT JAMES TO ANOTHER ONE THAT THAT IF YOU HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH WITH SOMEONE WHO KINDA HAS A FAITH PLUS WORKS OF YOU OF SALVATION.

ANOTHER PASSAGE BEYOND THE JAMES TO PASSAGES THAT THAT WILL OFTEN COME RIGHT NOW IS PHILIPPIANS 2 PHOBIAS TO 12 THEREFORE, MY BELOVED, AS YOU HAVE ALWAYS OBEYED, SO NOW NOT ONLY AS IN MY PRESENCE BUT MUCH MORE IN MY ABSENCE, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING AND THEY STOP DEAD RIGHT THERE AND YOU KNOW THIS DISCUSSION GOES BACK TO ABOUT THAT PRINCIPAL WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REFORMED PRINCIPLES WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER RIGHT THIS ONE GOES TO THE ANALOGY OF THE SCRIPTURES. I THINK AND AND ALSO THE ANALOGY OF FAITH. SCRIPTURE IS CONSISTENT RIGHT SO WHAT IF YOU GOING TO INTERPRET JAMES TO TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT PAUL TEACHES IN, SAY, ROMANS, THEN WHAT YOU HAVE TO ASSUME IS THAT JAMES IS CONTRADICTING PAUL AND IF YOU ASSUME THAT THEN YOU'VE KIND OF GIVEN UP ON THE PRINCIPLE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED THE WRITERS OF SCRIPTURE THAT THAT THE WRITING SCRIPTURE IS BREATHED OUT BY GOD AND CONSISTENT SO BUT LOOKING AT PHILIPPIANS 2. YOU HAVE TO GIVE TO TAKE THAT CONTEXTUAL STEP RATE THAT I DID WITH JAMES TO YOU AFTER AFTER READ BEYOND JUST THE PASTOR TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE VERSE 13, WHICH FOLLOWS DIRECTLY ON VERSE 12. IMAGINE THAT THERE WERE VERSUS WHEN PAUL WROTE HIS HIS LETTER TO THE PHILIPPIANS HE DIDN'T INTEND FOR THEM TO TAKE JUST THE PARAGRAPH IN AND IGNORE THE REST OF IT HE MAKES A POINT AFTER WHAT HE SAYS IN VERSE 12, AND ACTUALLY IT'S PART OF THE SAME POINTS SO WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. WHY, FOR IT IS GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU BOTH TO WILL AND TO WORK FOR HIS GOOD PLEASURE THAT COMPLETELY CHANGES THE WAY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING, AND WHAT THE CAUSE OF THE FEAR AND TREMBLING IS BECAUSE GOD IS WORKING IN YOU, WHICH IS PAUL'S POINT AND IN THE WHOLE LETTER OF PHILIPPIANS WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT EVEN FURTHER RIGHT. SHE BEGINS HIS LETTER TO THE PHILIPPIANS BY SAYING I BELIEVE IT. GOD, WHO BEGAN A GOOD WORK AND YOU WILL CARRY IT THROUGH TO COMPLETION.

PAUL IS CONSISTENT IN THAT LETTER IN HIS THEMES AND WHAT IS WHAT IS DISCUSSING AND WHAT IS CONVEYING TO THE PHILIPPIANS IS GOD IS WORKING IN YOU AND THAT SHOULD BE AWE-INSPIRING TO YOU AND PROBABLY A LITTLE FEARSOME SO YOU YOU TOUCHED ON AND AND AND YOU ASKED ME THE QUESTION OF ANALYZERS AS WELL AS WHERE CHRISTIANS DISAGREE ON THESE KIND OF THINGS IS A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY.

THERE WAS TALK TALK BEFORE ABOUT EPHESIANS CHAPTER 4 WHERE PAUL WRITES ABOUT KNOW THAT HE DID HAVE SOME PROFIT SOME APOSTLES, SOME PASTORS, EVANGELISTS, TEACHERS WHY PAUL TELLS US WHY GOD GAVE THAT UNTIL WE COME TO THE UNITY OF THE FAITH RIGHT SO THAT PASSAGE KIND OF ASSUMES THAT WERE NOT YET THERE. SO ARE THESE PASSES A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY. I THINK THEY CAN BE RIGHT. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN LIKE YOU ARE SAYING THERE THERE THERE ARE CERTAIN TEACHINGS OF SCRIPTURE THAT ARE SO CLEAR AND SO IMPORTANT TO RIDE LIVING RIGHT RIGHT THINKING WAYS TO WRITE LIVING AND SO RIGHT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES LEADS TO WRITE LIVING AND SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE NONNEGOTIABLE RIGHT BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SECONDARY ISSUES WERE DOUBTFUL THINGS IS SAYS THAT'S THE WAY THAT JERRY HOWARD, PUTS IT IN THE CHART THAT THAT DO THEOLOGY PODCASTS AS AN IN ANY OF ANY OF THE WEATHER WHETHER YOU CATEGORIZE SOMETHING AS IT IS A PRIMARY ISSUE A SECONDARY ISSUE OR THE DOUBTFUL THING ANY OF THOSE THINGS CHRISTIANS CAN AND HAVE AND DO YOU MAKE SEPARATION ISSUES RIGHT. THE SECONDARY ISSUES AND THEN THE DOUBTFUL THINGS DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE SEPARATION ISSUES. PRIMARY THINGS ARE THE NONNEGOTIABLE'S RIGHT IF YOU REVIEW DENY A PRIMARY THING YOU DO NOT, WITHIN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH, AND SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IS A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY. YEAH, IT CAN BE BECAUSE WERE HUMANS WERE SIMPLE, SOME OF US LIKE TO ARGUE.

SO YOU KNOW IT CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY, BUT KNOW THE IDEAS THAT WE WE TALK WITH EACH OTHER.

WE GIVE EACH OTHER GRACE AND CHARITY IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND WE WORK TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE OTHER IS COMING FROM WERE HUMBLE, WILLING TO BE TAUGHT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, WILLING TO UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAIN THEOLOGICAL POSITIONS THAT I MAY HOLD TODAY MAY NOT BE WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE THEOLOGICAL POSITION STEMMING FROM WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED IN SCRIPTURE. AND SO I MAY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO MY THEOLOGICAL POSITIONS OVER TIME. SO YEAH, IT CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY. HOPEFULLY WE'RE WE WILL GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR SO JUST JUST PUT A FINE POINT ON THIS. THIS STATEMENT IS THAT LATTER DAY SAINTS THEY THEY VIEW CHRISTIAN NEED ANY AMOUNT OF CHRISTIAN DISUNITY AS THE RESULT OF APOSTASY. THE CHURCH IS FALLEN AWAY. THE CHURCH HAS LEFT THE TRUE TEACHINGS AND SO FOR LATTER DAY SAINTS. IF THEY SEE DISUNITY TO THEM THAT THAT BOLSTERS THEIR BELIEF THAT THEY ARE CORRECT BECAUSE OLDER WAS A GREAT APOSTASY. LOOK AT THE CHURCH FELL APART, LOST IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THAT FOLLOWS FROM THE HISTORY OF OF THE CHURCH OR WERE FROM SCRIPTURE IS BECAUSE I TALKED ABOUT EPHESIANS 4 A KIND OF SCRIPTURE EVEN ASSUMES THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DISAGREEMENTS AND SCRIPTURE EVEN PRESENTS TO US AND PRESENTS TO US SOME DISAGREEMENTS IN NARRATIVE PASSAGES RIGHT WHERE YOU HAVE THE JUDAIZERS GOING IN AND CAUSING TROUBLE FOR PAUL TO THE POINT WHERE HE HAS TO GO DOWN TO JERUSALEM AND HAVE A TALK WITH WITH THE JERUSALEM COUNCIL AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TO BE TEACHING THE GENTILES ABOUT WHICH ASPECTS OF JUDAISM ARE PART OF THIS NEW MOVEMENT OF CHRISTIANITY RIGHT SO NOW I'VE RAMBLED LONG ENOUGH.

I THINK THAT'S ALL GREAT STUFF.

YEAH, NOW YOU MADE A LOT OF REALLY GREAT POINTS. THERE AND I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO THE BLUE SCRIPTURE IS SUFFICIENT AND SO I THINK AS PROTESTANTS WE DO BELIEVE THAT SUFFICIENT IS THE SECOND SECOND BY SECOND TIMOTHY THREE SAYS UNITED STATES.

SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHED AND FOR UNITED STATES. IT'S USEFUL FOR PREACHING, FOR CORRECTION, FOR TRAINING RIGHTEOUSNESS. ALL THOSE THINGS AND EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T INTERPRET IT PERFECTLY. I THINK THAT THAT'S KINDA GOING BACK TO OUR TOPIC OF CRYSTALS OF HERMENEUTICS IS SUPPOSED TO TRY TO GET PAST THE BIASES GET PAST NOW TO TRY TO CUT THROUGH EMOTION AND ALWAYS OTHER THINGS THAT COULD LEAD US TO AN INCORRECT INTERPRETATION SCRIPTURE AND TRY TO GET AND WHAT WHAT IT'S TRYING TO SAY AND I THINK IF WE APPLY THAT MORE ACCURATELY, MORE CORRECTLY THAN I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO GET PAST EGOS AS WELL. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES WE GET VERY UPSET WHEN SOMEBODY DISAGREES WITH US, SHALL HAVE THE LEG WORK DONE THIS TO LOOK AT THIS AND THIS WHAT IS WHAT SEEMS LIKE IT TRYING TO SAY AND IT SEEMS LIKE WILL BE MORE WILLING TO ACCEPT WHAT THEY ARE WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY, RATHER THAN JUST READING A TEXT SAYING WHY THING MEANS THIS YOUR WRONG MINDS RIGHT SO PUTTING THE LEGWORK AND ETHICAL WALL. HELP US TO GET THAT UNITY OF FAITH THAT WILL ULTIMATELY ONLY OCCUR PERFECTLY IN THE GLORY SONJA SOUTH. THANK YOU PAUL FOR SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC OF HERMENEUTICS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT MORE IN THE FUTURE, WHO KNOWS. BUT JUST SO MUCH TALK ABOUT THE ETHICS OR SHARING THAT WITH US TO ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD NO JUST THANK YOU FOR REFERENCING MY FAVORITE BOOK. SECOND TIMOTHY WHERE PAUL IS WHERE PAUL ADMONISHES ME TIMOTHY NOT TO LET HIS ELDER BROTHERS, LEHMAN, AND LEMUEL LOOKED DOWN UPON HIM AS THEIR YOUNGER BROTHER ALL RAN OUT AND I CAN REMEMBER, BUT THERE IS A MASHUP DELETED AWARE THAT LINKIN PARK DID A COLLABORATIVE CD WITH JAY-Z THINKING TO BE AN INTERESTING CO-LAB. THE BOOK OF MORMON, BIBLE, MASHUP MTV ON THE PHONE IS IN THE BOOK OF MORMON ALREADY THAT OH YEAH YET STARTED COLLABORATION OF THE BIBLE AND ALL BUNCH OF STUFF I GUESS YOU ARE. IF I ADVISED THAT'S A WRAP FOR THIS TOPIC. FEEL FREE TO SHARE THOUGHTS AND THE BRIGHTEST GROUP OF FACEBOOK IS AN ASPECT OF THIS TOPIC. WE MISSED SOMETHING LIKE CS DISCUSSING FUTURE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

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