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June 2, 2021 4:33 pm
Mike is talking with Sharon Hungerford of Shepherd Staff Ministries about her personal encounters with spiritual warfare and Israel's role in God's plan.
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Your host Mike to it all right if not for God with Mike Zwick and today we just have a really special guest. She's a friend of mine. I met her thick. How did I meet you Sharon at your Bible study and I have heard Jeff probably just get our friend Jeff Hoover for more or a Wednesday in the word. I met Jeff at Wednesday the word he said. Mikey says I've got a friend of mine who I want you to. I want you to meet and she wants come to the Bible study and man. It has been a wonderful wonderful treat Sharon Hungerford. She is the director of shepherd's staff ministries was founded in 1996 and she's been there for 25 years and it started as a mom-and-pop counseling inner healing, deliverance ministry leading into spiritual warfare in 2006 2007 and God had shifted the focus to interceding for Israel and the Jewish people. Right now I just want to pray Lord I just want to pray in Jesus name or that the people who were listening to the show right now that you will touch their ears and touch their souls with what we know will be helpful for them in their lives and Lord.
I just pray that in Jesus name that they take something that they've learned from the show today and that there were able to apply it to their lives and that they're able to really just to understand more about what's going on in Israel. In Jesus name.
So starting off the spiritual warfare. Sharon you know I will we you she was my Bible study. I think the other weekend and we were talking about this on you don't foster foster care is RAS and foster children and you said there was one in particular who you are, watching over and he was hearing voices with what was going on.
We had a young man he was 14 large young man he had just come to receive the Lord a few weeks and we were just beginning to learn about spiritual warfare, so the enemy was coming against him and he started hearing voices and the voices was telling him to kill me and so he actually I was home with my two young children. They were in another room watching TV. I was in my bedroom on the phone. I just hung up and he comes in with a long kitchen knife race back and he's coming at me and I just said what it what have I done deal. What about said to you. What's upset you and this was prior acts couple weeks prior to that I remember feeling like my life was stagnant with the Lord and I said, Lord, do what ever it takes to change me and move me a little you know my heart and I remember that day I hadn't prayed I was really tired and I remember thinking Lord I'm just too tired to pray today, which is disappointing but that's where I was and my husband pray for me and hate.
He always prayed Lord be our shield our rearguard in a wall of fire about us.
Yes, and so he had prayed that that day and so this young man was coming at me and just like Satan wants to do. He stopped and he turned and shut the door just felt like very intimidating like he had me like locked in their and he starts coming at me and then he gets about 5 feet in front of me just right where he can't reach me okay and he's got the knife, and light. He's gonna strike me but then he it's like he hits this invisible wall while and he just starts flailing and he can't get close to me and then all of a sudden he just flopped on the bed and unlike what if I said to you. What about done to you. He said nothing and he could always think of something that bothered him that I would say right and he said been hearing voices for the last two weeks and they told me to kill me. And unlike say what we can do something about that and he said well I don't want to do anything about it.
Voices keep me company and and I like I said, that's a problem yeah you know it is unlikely.
Good work there this, but if you don't want to work through it.
That's a problem that is a role yeah you know it when you're told that story. I'm reminded of Ephesians 612 through 13 it says for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places where for take unto you the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. I think you told me earlier that day. Didn't you say that your husband Peter prayed yes.
He prayed and he asked very specifically that Jesus be our shield and rear garden wall of fire about us and so I had never thought about Jesus himself standing in front of me even though I prayed it even though we knew it was Scripture. Yes, I never thought about Jesus himself standing in front of me and so the young man was of got afraid. It was like the enemy was just speaking to him. You need to run away and he said oh Peter's gonna kill me.
I said he's not going to kill you nobody's like to be very happy about this and so that the next day. I'm usually pretty good in a crisis. But the next day. I really fell to pieces and so Peter was praying with me and he asked Jesus to show me where he was and I literally had a vision of a nail scarred hands like covering my old body, but the place that he couldn't go past. Yes, and we realize that he was literally my shield, and that he had an and then I heard him say to me.
I have already died for you already pay this price for you and and so Jesus can literally be our shield. Our rearguard and a wall of fire about us and you and we need to know that we need to understand and have faith that his word is real. It's it's the enemy cannot penetrate that and my husband had the faith, for it and he showed us our prayers were working changed her life. It when you were when you're saying that it reminded me of Psalm 27 what it says that the Lord is my light and my salvation whom shall I fear the Lord is the strength of my wife, of whom shall I be afraid, exactly, and so you know, in the natural.
There was no way you could stop back and he was big, regularize a big knife. You know what the Lord literally put a shield around you right and so you know that it talks about this again and again and again in the Old Testament and New Testament whom shall we fear it over. The Lord is my shepherd so that that's that's really really good. You are one of the other things that I was reminded of when you were told that story about the young man is something that you told me because there was a young man that we both know and I was really trying to help him still try to help them and sometimes it seems like you know it's working. Sometimes it seems like he's listening, stuff like that and then but it just doesn't seem like I'm getting sure there's been several. There's been a few people that happen to other people who write got right through to them, but you said something to me and you said Mike, you said you can't want it more than they do right and counseling. We learned very quickly that if we want their healing and their deliverance and their freedom more than they do. It doesn't work we can't do the work for them and they have to want.
We were talking about on the way on the car right over here and we were talking about. John 1010 right that the thief comes but to steal, kill and destroy Jesus that I have come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly. You said you broke and let out a little bit. Yes, the Lord has shown us the Greek and those words, the faith does come to steal, kill and destroy.
He hates us and even in that testimony. What part of the vision was a solvent. The hand nail scarred hand covering me, but also some of the wrath of of Satan coming through the young man it was almost like it wasn't about the young man and it wasn't about me but the hatred that Satan had toward Jesus and it was like just stabbing that that nail scarred hand so yeah me but but but that's it. I mean, that were you know it says in Scripture that greater is he that is within you and he that is within the world and that proves that I mean that what you said there was no way in the in the physical realm in the natural that you could've stopped him. But God he was your protection for you that's awesome and and so just for a matter of time you have gotten really interested in Israel and in something called polyol AL IY a H what can you tell us about the aliyah basically is Jewish immigration in the Hebrew means to go.
So when the Jews go back to Israel.
They are going up to Zion aliyah is the return of the Jewish people. God made a covenant with Abraham and God never breaks his promises.
He never breaks his covenant, and so let me just read the promise that original promise he made with Abraham in Genesis 12 verses 133 it says now the Lord is said to Abraham get out of your country from your family and from your father's house to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation.
I will bless you, I will make your name great and you will be a blessing I will bless those who bless you I will curse those who curse you and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed in Abraham's father was an idol maker and so he knew these idols were made out of wood and that the idols couldn't speak and they had no power.
And I don't know what caused him to listen to the Lord that he believed the Lord and so he got out from the Chaldees, you know, he got out from his family and went to the land that God Creator God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and he said I'll make you a great nation.
I will bless you, I will make your name great you and you shall be a blessing I will bless those who bless you and I will curse him who curses you that second work curse.
Okay were talking about the Jewish people. We are not to curse that second curse means to belittle our take them lightly because when we do that were belittling and taking lightly. God is. This was his plan and and then and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. So were talking the nations the Gentiles will be blessed by blessing the Jewish people and the church will be blessed by blessing. And if we curse, we will be come under a curse. What will be, you know, I think I would be remiss if I did bring up the fact that you know in a lot of churches today and I'm usually so weak. You and I watched a video on YouTube work up to 60% of the churches believe in something called replacement theology where you know Israel of the old that was something of the Old Testament, and when Jesus came New Testament. All that is done away with and there are a lot of churches who actually don't support you know they don't support Israel at all. They believe that's been done away with with the Old Testament. How would you how would you respond to the done away with.
The first part of the Bible that has all the prophecies about Jesus and Jesus is Jewish, the founding church all the disciples were Jewish you know if were going to get rid of Jewish things we need to get rid of our Bible.
We need to get rid of you know, even including the NewTek and the New Testament. I name the New Testament is our marriage contract. This with Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, you know, we don't throw out the commandments only interjected for second here actually what you're talking about. It reminded me of this verse is Matthew five verse 17 do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
So Jesus is not saying you have done away with the Old Testament right absolutely not. He has fulfilled every.every tittle you know nothing has not been fulfilled. The what in about 2000 prophecies and most of those have been fulfilled and so we wouldn't even know you know a lot of people think the New Testament can stand alone, but we wouldn't even know that Jesus would've been born of a virgin, you know are and where he would be born in and just all the things you notice it's to believe everything the Old Testament proves that the New Testament craves at the Old Testament that Jesus has fulfilled these prophecies in that the all these prophecies have been fulfilled. That's right it is. I've actually read this recently and Stu was talked about this as well that if you take all of the prophecies of the Old Testament just about Jesus you take the prophecies in the Old Testament where they were all fulfilled and they were. They said that if you take a bunch of coins you stack up the coins 10 feet high.
You put them all across Texas and you take on one of those coins and one of those coins you you color it read. They said the chances of all of those prophecies coming true is like picking up that one coin out of all those coins across the state of Texas and only tell you that it could happen exactly so. But that's is you know that is really interesting in, you know, one of the things that that we've talked about with Israel is that you I've had visions I've had dreams but you actually was it a vision or dream you had several years ago about the United States.
There was a flag with Israel there some other things going on as well and I have had, I would say a vision. This was my husband passed about seven 1/2 years ago. This was a few months later.
I just felt a strong sense of the Lord's presence and that he was comforting me and then all of a sudden I see him dressed in fatigues and with a gas mask on and he's addressing man fatigues and but the gas mask on and then I'll you know how visions go away were on a map of the US we were running up the East Coast actually map of the world and it was like we were dodging warfare rockets and bullets and so we were running up the East Coast. They went over into Europe and ended up in Israel. I was carrying American flag and I was anxious to plant it in Israel because I wanted America to be supporting Israel and basically the Lords said action. When I planted it. It just turned to dust and ash and God said Israel will go alone alone will get the glory for what I do in Israel and so so you know, and I think for so long. The United States has been such a strong supporter of Israel from, but recently there's a lot of stuff going on as well and one of the things that it happened was that Hamas was firing. I think they were firing missiles into Israel hits yeah rockets right into Israel and then when Israel started firing back or intercepting the rockets and then firing some back then. Israel took a lot of flak and it's like will are they supposed to be able to defend themselves right.
They should be able to defend themselves. But this is a spiritual war. This is Satan, if Israel is in its place. Satan loses and he knows that and so if he can turn everybody that doesn't believe and even those that do believe in in the Bible and in Jesus if he can trick them into believing that the church has replaced Israel in the Bible is very clear that God has made an everlasting covenant and their 64 Scriptures that even talk about God will bring his people back to the land he's made this promise to the people and because I mean if you look at Ezekiel 36 it's very important scripture and is very important in understanding what's what's going on here. Let me find it out. First of all I wanted to just share a Scripture that God says there's only one thing that God says he will do with all his heart and with all his soul and I'm a star in Jeremiah 32 start with verse 36 and I'm gonna read through 41 says behold, I will gather them out of all countries where I have driven them in my anger and my fury and in my great wrath is talking about the Jewish people. I will bring them back to this place I will cause them to dwell safely, they shall be my people and I will be there God and I will give them one heart and one way that they may fear me forever for the good of them and their children after them all make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from doing them good, but I will put my fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from me. Yes, this is verse 41 very important. Yes, I will rejoice over them to do them good.
I will assuredly plant them in this land talk about Israel with all my heart and with all my soul and and this is the only verse in the Bible that God says he will do something with all his heart and with all his soul and Sarah want to turn to Ezekiel 36 and Ezekiel 36, again he's talking about blessing Israel but then he's talking about Israel leaving the land I will start with 16 moreover the word of the Lord came to me saying Son of Man when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land. They defiled it by their own ways and deeds to made their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity.
Therefore, I poured out my fury on land for the blood they had shed on the land and further Honda idols with which they had defiled it so I scattered them among the nations. So, God himself scattered his people among the nations.
They were dispersed throughout the countries I judge them according to their ways and their deeds when when they came to the nations whenever they went they profaned my holy name there profaning them but actually living outside what God commanded them to do okay said they profaned it his name and when nice and when they said of them.
These are the people of the Lord and I and yet they have gone out of his land. Even the people outside the land knew that they were profaning.
Therefore say to the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord. I do not do this for your sake of the house of Israel, but for my holy namesake which you have profaned among the nations where ever you went, he says, and I will sanctify my great name, which is been profaned among the nations which you have profaned in their midst and the nations shall know that I am the Lord says the Lord God when I'm hallowed in you before their eyes.
So when the Jews come back to the land when I make Ali and I come back to the land of Israel and they began hallowing his name setting him up heart. It says then the nations will know that he is the Lord.
It's one of the greatest evangelical pieces for time.
Six. We are about two or three minutes. I wanted to say you doing something right now right to help the Jews get back to Israel. Could you tell us about the right sense about 2007 the Lord might brought this understanding I I help support people in the land of Israel that I'm also about to go to work with his lighthouse, Inc., which is in Israel. We are yes their website is his lighthouse.org lighthouse.org yes and they they have a video clip under there. I believe mission are visions statement, but the Lord any weight.
One of the things that the Gentile part of the church is to do for the Jewish part is to help carry his people back home where Carrie literally carry the sons and the daughters of the Jewish people. This is a very important function for the church to be participating in. So we've got like operation Exodus which helps the Jews get to Israel very excellent ministry as well to. If in if people want to get involved in support the work of Ali. This is its God does this with all his heart, with all his soul and then on the receiving end.
We have his lighthouse ministry receives the called the Alene is the Jewish people coming back and so I'm going to actually move to Israel when the doors open again a while he is.
I'll be living over there and helping on the receiving end meter.
It says in the book of James of love says do not just be here to be doers of the world and what you're doing is you're taking action and there's there's no way that we could tell you everything that would tell you the rise of the show, but I do feel like I I hope if nothing else, that this can come to get you started. If you're listening to that website. Check out in the name of the website. Again was his lighthouse.org where you can go to shepherd singles ministries.org, or you look up polyol AL YY a H this absolutely there's many really good ministries out there that are helping the Jews ensure they can so much for telling us about this. Thanks so much for coming on managing these turbulent times. Peace of mind may be the most valuable feeling secure your financial future is worth its weight in gold and liberty bankers insurance will provide you with the most precious life-affirming sense of security.
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