What Does Passover Mean To You?

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Speak your mind. And now, here's today's Truth Talk Live host. It is Passover Eve. Which is, interestingly this year, Palm Sunday Eve.

It's just the way that it works out, which is kind of different. But nonetheless, for many, we'll be celebrating Passover tomorrow. I will be among them.

And I know that Dr. Date, the word Carson, who's sitting across from me, will be with me. As we're doing a Passover Seder at our church, Kildee in Ramsey, North Carolina tomorrow night.

But I am so excited about it. And my question to you today, that I would love for you to ponder and call in with what your thoughts are, is what does Passover mean? What does that mean to you? And how do you celebrate it? Do you celebrate it? Do you think you should celebrate it? 866-348-7884.

866-348-7884. It is Passover Eve. And for some of us, my wife and I, honestly, we would take this particular feast above our Christmas feast, above our Thanksgiving feast, above all that we get to celebrate this.

We definitely put the most effort into it, I can assure you. There's nothing close to the amount of time and planning and all that God gives us in order to have this come together as He ordained a lot of years ago, Dr. Carson. Yes, like 3,337 years ago. It is exact. You know, the neat thing is that Jews keep a very accurate calendar, and so this would be that for over 3,000. It was a God ordained, like, you will do this. This is something you will do. And I don't know if you've ever heard this, but I absolutely love it. And it is something that, to me, when I think of the idea, then I would hope people would call in and say, what does Passover mean to you?

And call it 866-348-7884. But anywhere you cut the Bible, it bleeds. I don't care. Have you said that before? Yes. And here, if there's ever a place that God painted a picture of what Easter was to be, of what Resurrection Sunday was going to be, depends on what terminology you want to use, there's no doubt that He painted it with love. And He painted it on the doorpost, which is absolutely a huge understanding to the Hebrew language, to the Hebrew understanding of humility. All those things were painted for us in this idea of the Passover, and so how cool. And I don't know if you have been around a Jewish family, are familiar with it, but one of the most gigantic things about Passover, because you talk about preparation, right? You know what I'm talking about?

Lots of preparation. And the big thing that they do is they are looking for any little crumb. They actually take a candle. I mean, the real Hasidic, the Orthodox Jews will take a candle and a feather, and they will go throughout their house looking for what they call hametz, which is leavened bread, yeast, crumbs, that would have been leavened in any way, shape, or form. And then from their perspective, that any amount of flour that touched any amount of water, and the water was in any way still around that flour for something like more than 14 minutes, it became hametz. So in other words, any little crumb, a flower, whatever, and when they go to make their matzah, in order for it to be kosher matzah, it might be seven minutes.

From the time the water touches the flour until the matzah goes in the oven, you only have very few minutes, because once that water begins in that flour, it begins to ferment, and once any kind of yeast is formed, it's no longer unleavened. Yeah, and it's got to be unleavened. And it's a huge picture of something that's so important to me and you personally, and Jesus said it. He said, be careful of the yeast of the Pharisees. And the Sadducees. Right, and they were Sadducees, as I learned.

Because they don't believe in the resurrection. But it's also very much connected to the idea of sour, and you've heard of a sourpuss. Well, that has to do with pride, because pride puffs up, and the idea of yeast puffing you up is the idea of what we are up against. And so when the Jews celebrate this, and when I celebrate it, honestly, what I'm looking to do is go, okay, in preparation to take the biggest— you know, the idea of the Passover was, here comes the bread and the wine, and this was the communion.

And they're preparing, like it would be explained in Paul would, to get rid of the pride, which leads to most of my sin, right? And where am I getting angry out of line? Where am I got unforgiveness? Where have I got bitterness, sourness, right?

Where do I have all these things? And this is before we even get to start to do the— they've been doing this now for a few days, and they're going to eat unleavened bread for, you know, seven days. But that preparation is a key part of what they will celebrate. What does that mean to you?

866-348-7884. You guys have done this too, right, Doc? Yes, yes. We've done several of these for churches, but I'm more interested right now— we want to hear from listeners what the Passover means to them, but I'm going to pitch the question. Robbie, help us on what does the Passover mean? How do we see Jesus in this Old Testament passage?

I've got my Bible right here at Exodus 12. This is where it bleeds, and it's pointing us to the Passover lamb that we're going to have. John the Baptist will say, behold, the Lamb of God. Paul will call Jesus the Passover Lamb. So as a Passover begins, the Seder, as it begins, we've got the preparation.

So tell us some more about the preparation that's going to be taking place. And then as we work through today, I just want to learn some more things about the four cups, the seven cups. Right. In Exodus 6, actually start with 6. Exodus 6 has six cups.

All right. But there's also in Exodus 6, we hear about what the four cups represent, which are these four I will statements. Oh, we've got to learn about the four I will statements.

Yeah, there you go. So, listeners, you've got to come back. We're going to be back. We need you, though.

866-348-7884. Truth Talk Live! You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live! Today's question is, what does Passover mean to you?

How do you celebrate it? Why is that important? You know, what can we learn from it? What could we do with it practically that would improve our faith, that would improve our walk with God, or improve our walk with our families? And at work, et cetera, et cetera. You know, the idea of it is amazing.

866-348-7884. Originally, when I would do these satyrs, I always called them freedom satyrs. But this year, I've had a bit of a deeper dive into that. What's the difference between freedom and liberty? And when I really studied those words in Hebrew, I came to the conclusion that what we really want is what Jesus said was one of the reasons he came in Isaiah 61 is to proclaim liberty. Because liberty has this idea of not just being free from all authority. Liberty is sort of a flow of freedom to become who you are supposed to be.

Like you had talked about at one point in time this week, Dr. Carson, that he became obedient unto death. Now, he was completely free, but more than that, he was at liberty because he was becoming who he would be to me, my savior. And when we have liberty, as I'm understanding, I love what you're contemplating, meditating on, to be who God wants us to be. And we're supposed to stand fast in that liberty, not stand fast in freedom. Oh, now I get to do whatever I want. No, no. I get to be what God wants me to be.

Right? Because he didn't say, I'm going to set you free to go and play. He said, I want to let my people go so they can come worship me in the desert, in the wilderness. And so the idea of Passover is freedom. And so the idea, from my standpoint, is there was this slave master who was a pharaoh, right? And you've got one, and this is not, every great story has a great bad guy, because your story has a great bad guy. And that slave that has been in your life that leads to anger and rage and addictions and all that stuff is a slave master in my life.

You know, I'm telling you that, you know, just one long ago. He's in bondage. I'm in bondage to eating things, you know, because I need to break that bondage. But what Jesus promised, what God promised in Exodus 6, 6 is I will, right? There's all these I will statements, and that's what the four cups of wine are. And those I wills are I will take you out of bondage, right?

Right. And I take you out in a negative way. I'm going to take you out of bondage. I think my dad said that to me a few times. I'm going to take you out. I'm going to take you out to the woodshed. No, no, I'm going to take you out of bondage. Right. And so at a Seder, they're going to do that with four cups of wine. And that first cup, right, is what they call, you know, this cup of I'm going to take you out of bondage. And it's him that does it. You know, we can't work our way out from underneath our sin.

There's no way that we can do that, but he's going to take us out. And the idea of wine in that is just an unbelievable concept when you think about the attributes of wine. That Jesus' first miracle was he turned the water into wine. And you know there are two covenants, and the first covenant being the Old Testament was the law, right? And the law is always referred to in the Torah as water. And it represents water, and Jesus said, I'm the living water, so there's an example of it, okay? Well, that same water, when it comes through Jesus' blood now as you drink it in the new covenant, which is all a picture because we're going to drink in this wine now, okay? When that water that you studied John 3.16 when you were a kid, or maybe you memorized the 23rd Psalm, the Lord is my shepherd, right? Those words, they get better with age, as does wine. And in fact, in Isaiah, I think it's in 28, where he says, you know, I'm going to take you to this mountain where I'm going to give you the best of wine, the fat, the marrow, and wine on the leaves, the most refined wine, because that idea of that is that this is going to be aged and not turn sour, not turn into vinegar, because it's guarded by what they call the leaves. And so this water that you've taken in throughout your life, that you were cleansed with the water of the word, it just becomes better and better and better, and it will for all time, right?

And you think about that, and the other thing that wine does is it too breaks down barriers. You know, if you knew me 25 years ago, you'd think there's no way in the world that guy would ever get on the radio or talk in front of any audience or certainly not be a pastor. I mean, you've got to be kidding me. Because that guy was scared to even go to the line of the grocery store. I would get my wife to go through the line because I didn't want to confront—that's how shy I was. I didn't want to confront that person that was at the cash register.

I don't know how I ever went out on a date with anybody because I could never pick up the phone and call a girl. That was something I was just not capable of doing. But you see, through the freedom—and you know what I'm saying? And what Jesus did through those four cups gave me the freedom to become who God wanted me to be. And when he asked me to start getting on the radio, I was terrified. I mean, terrified beyond terrified.

There was just no way of explaining that to anybody. However, in obedience, God made that an absolutely beautiful thing. And so it's a cool thing that wine, not only does it break down walls, but it also grows better with age.

And so the imagery there of this blood of God that you're drinking when you take communion in these cups is just absolutely phenomenal. And that first one being, I will take you out. The second one will be, you know, it says, I will rescue you.

And you might remember that it's easy enough to take Egypt—I mean, Israel out of Egypt, but it took them 40 years in the desert to get Egypt out of Israel. And you know, if I remember Land and Rescue, they would rescue these girls from sex trafficking and they'd go right back in it. Right? Because once, you know, that's where you become comfortable. And how many people do you know that relapse time and time and time again? Because it's one thing to take them out. It's another thing to get it taken out of them.

And so that idea of I've got to take you out and then I've got to rescue you. We look at Old Testament. Here's Exodus. God's going to get his people out of the world. Well, why do you read the Book of Leviticus? Because God's now getting the world out of his people. And as I'm listening to you thinking about the preparation just for the Passover, when we think of leaven, it's a picture of sin and how diligent they are to get all the leaven out.

Absolutely all of it. Am I that diligent to want to get every sin out of my life to put myself in a place where I say, Lord, examine me? Right. And cleanse me? This is why we do the Passover.

It is. It's freedom every year, a chance to think back over these things. We're going to leave some of you in this particular station in Winston-Salem and the other people in Ohio. But if you want to listen to the rest of the show, you can get it at TruthNetwork.com.

You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live! Today is Passover Eve, and how fun. How are you going to celebrate that? What does it mean to you?

I would love to know what your thoughts are on what we're talking about today. 866-348-7884, 866-348-7884. And so just fin up the other two cups real quick because you will drink all four at very specific times to illustrate their true meaning, which we don't want to ruin that for you if you're on your way to a Seder somewhere. Especially if you're coming to ours, which is, again, it's on the Christian Car Guy website if you're interested in coming.

The tickets are still there, and you can get some. But the third cup is I Will Redeem You, and notice these. It's so critical that we don't do any of this for ourselves. When you think back to what happened to Israel, all those plagues, the plague of the firstborn, all that stuff was stuff he brought. And he's the one that split the Red Sea, and he's the one that gave him water in the desert, and he's the one that made the manna fall. In other words, all that stuff, he gave him the law, and that has to do with the third cup of redemption. And then the fourth cup is I Will Take You to Be My People.

In other words, I'm going to take you into the Promised Land, which is what Jesus does in so many different ways. And so that's a big part of those four cups are what the wine is. Now, Robbie, when we get into doing this Passover meal, what are the other key ingredients that are going to need to be here that are all going to at some point, as you break it down, it's going to picture Jesus. But what else? We've got the four cups.

What else? The next big, big player is the matzah. That's the unleavened bread, and it is the bread of affliction. And that's very important, and that's explained in Deuteronomy.

It's just not unleavened bread, which is called matzah in Hebrew, but it is the bread of affliction. And when you go to a Seder, what's really, really neat is there will be three pieces of matzah, and they will be hidden in an Afikoman bag, you know, which is... And so at some point early on in the Seder, they will take these out, and they will open up two doors. And one of those doors is for Miriam, who was Moses' sister, because they're going to have a place set at the table for Miriam. They're going to have a special cup for Miriam, and it's a cup of water, because Miriam is very much connected with water.

She's the one that followed Moses, and that's very significant when it comes to the idea of the word itself, the Torah, is water. And so it's right there at the table, and another door is going to be open for Elijah, the prophet, which is the coming Messiah, which, you know, is going to herald the coming Messiah, as we know John the Baptist would. And so there's a cup for and a table place for Elijah, and that's another one of those place settings that are going to be there. And at that point in time, they're going to lift up the three pieces of matzah. They're going to take the center one, the middle man, so to speak. They're going to break it. They're going to take one piece of that broken matzah, and they're going to call it the afikoman, and it's going to be the one that is the larger piece, because according to them, the greatness of something just reveals itself.

You just look at it, and you go, that's the better one. Well, there you go. You take the better piece of the broken matzah, and you put it in your afikoman bag, and you go and hide that. And it literally means dessert. And what they do is now they, at the end of the festive meal, they will send the kids out to try to find the hidden afikoman. Now think about this three pieces of matzah, and where was Jesus? Between two thieves, right? And then, you know, it's hidden. Well, you can't help but think that Jesus was hidden for some time, and then he came out, right, and the best is yet to come, which is the idea that, you know, the best wine is that Jesus is going to come out in the afikoman. But nonetheless, that's done in every Jewish Seder. It's a big deal.

It's called the afikoman. And the matzah is one of the main players. It is not just unleavened bread, but it's a bread of affliction with that idea. Affliction meaning testimony. In other words, to have a testimony, you've got to have a test.

And so that word— That's so good. To have a testimony, you've got to have a test. So that affliction was the test. It was the test, and it was for Jesus.

Yes. And so when he gave us that bread to eat, it is a testimony. And this unleavened bread is, in so many different ways, this idea of a testimony. And I've really been thinking about that this week, that it is a testimony whether you go out and tell anybody— People see your life, and they know where you stand with God, many of them do, and your testimony is speaking volumes without you saying a word a lot of times. Sometimes it speaks volumes as you're going off the handle. Sometimes you are speaking louder than you should be speaking with your testimony.

Well, still, it might not be a good one, but it is nonetheless a testimony, however it all works. But I can assure you that that is a big part of what Jesus, that bread, represents. And the matzah plays a gigantic role in about four different places in the Seder dinner, that they also have what they call a halal sandwich. And so some of the other elements that are key is they have something that will look like parsley that they call karpus, and they're going to dip that in salt water to be like the tears. But it also is a picture for Christians of the—I'm trying to think of the word—of what the blood was dipped in on the doorpost, the hyssop. The hyssop.

Right. It's also a picture of the hyssop that they use to paint the blood on the doorpost and all that stuff. And so they take that, karpus, but then they also make what they call, it's horset.

Or people say it different ways. Nonetheless, it's apples and almonds and either wine or grape juice. We use grape juice and cinnamon. And the stuff looks like bricks. It looks like the mortar to make bricks, which is the idea of that whole thing.

Well, it's a big part of, you know, they have that horset, and then they have the marar, which is the bitter herbs that what you talk about was usually horseradish. And then they have the green vegetable, and they take that between two pieces of matzah, and they call it a halal sandwich. I love it, because the idea of all that is when you think about all those things that are in your life, and you end up praising God, not just over the sweet, but you praise God over the bitter. You praise God over the bricks. You praise God over, then it's a halal sandwich. I mean, it's just all put together.

And so, you know, those are pretty cool elements. But a big, big, big part of it is that to the Jews, they have both the written Torah that we know of as the five books of the Pentateuch and all that, you know, that you go on into the Absalom. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. And then they have what they call the oral Torah. And so there's a lot of emphasis on sharing the story, which is what the word haggadah even means.

And most staters you go to, they'll have a booklet that they hand out, which is haggadah, which means tell the story. Tell the story to your kids. Tell the story to your grandkids.

Tell the story to everybody you can possibly tell. This is what happened. Pharaoh wouldn't let us go. There were ten plagues. These were what the plagues were. This is what it was about.

We were in slavery, and it was bitter, and they were harsh toward us. And they tell the story. And they tell the story long before they eat the lamb or anything else. They want to make sure that people understood the test that made it a testimony.

And it's a really cool thing. They have what they call the questions, the four questions, the four sons. There's four sons. And there's a song about the four sons and how, you know, questions are a real gift to the kingdom. Because learning, you know, when you want to find out about God, you have a lot of questions. And children have, you know, why, why, why, why, why.

Yes, yes. And that is a beautiful thing that they draw out in a Seder is you are supposed to ask as many questions. Why do we dip these in tears? Why do we lean on our left side? Why do we light these candles, right?

Why is the mother always light the candles? Well, let me interject real quickly here. I was ahead of school. And I'm telling you, parents had to listen when your kids are asking the question why, that is good.

Don't quench that. The curiosity that they have is a God-given thing. They want to know.

And so you need to jump all over that. That's what the Passover is about. So these kids will be it. Why are we doing this? Because we tell the wonderful story. Right. And that is and which explains it. And again, you know, they they do a great job through some different stories and songs that we have of showing that the most honored son seems to be the one that doesn't know anything. Because he's the one asking all the questions.

Yeah. A lot of times that's what we think, too. We had childhood schools ask why they got to keep asking questions.

What's wrong? No, they want to be the smartest. I don't know that they even want to be the smartest. It's just they love to learn. Love to learn. And if you love God, you want to love to learn.

And that's a big part of why you do this every year with your whole family, because it causes you to go, why are you always doing this? You know, it's a beautiful thing. Well, you got one segment to call us with your questions or. Yes.

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Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. Today is Passover Eve. The question that we would love for you to call in really would.

Eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four. If you have any questions about what we're talking about. But what is Passover? What does it mean to you? How do you celebrate it?

What's you know, what are you looking forward to? And it is, by the way, also Palm Sunday Eve is Passover and today is Passover Eve. So it's pretty cool as we enter into a very special time.

Nothing like the Passion Week for Christians. Right. Right. Right. And this Passover meal is a way to really get your Passion Week started, because what a picture as we're learning from the cups and from the matzah.

What else, Robbie? One of my most and I don't know that I cherished it as much as I do when I first started doing these, but I certainly do now is you rarely do anything that requires more prayers or blessings. The blessings.

Yes. In other words, they're going to bless God when they kindle the holiday lights, which is the woman does that. Because Eve, right, was the first one to be plunged into darkness. And she was promised that the light would come through her, which when you think about it, when Seth was born, that would be the forebearer of Jesus and on and on and on and on, right? Until eventually he came through Mary. And they knew, the Jews do, that the Messiah is coming from a woman. And so it's always the mother that kindles the holiday lights, but there's a blessing before that even happens. Blessed are you, Lord God, King of the Universe, who brings forth the command to kindle the holiday lights. And then you're going to have a blessing, which is essentially a prayer, before you drink every single cup of wine. You're going to have it before you dip the carpets. You're going to have a blessing at every step through the whole thing.

And you're going to say that a few times, but when you think about it, this is what I've been thinking about all week. I have a new granddaughter by the name of Margie. It's my mother's name.

Very, very precious to me. And I had her father's birthday party this week. And I noticed that her other grandfather, when he would get in her face, she got the biggest, hugest smile she ever saw in your life. And the closer he got his face to her, the bigger she would smile.

And so I said, well, let me try that. And so I started getting, you know, like Margie, and I started getting right up, and when I got up in her face, same thing. She lit up like a Christmas tree.

And I thought, the Lord bless you and keep you. Make his face. And so I just picture that as you are doing these blessings at a Seder, it's God is looking at you, he's getting right in your face.

And he's trying to, because what he's trying to see is that smile. Because if you're actually enjoying his presence, if you're loving the fact that he's facing you, he keeps coming. Yeah. Draw near to God and he will draw near to you. And so these blessings, like one after the other, like, man, God, we want you here for this event.

This is your deal. I mean, you said, I will, I will, I will. And so those blessings are a big, big part of it. But as you know, the star of the show is the lamb. You know, it just is.

In so many ways. That not a bone would be broken. And my good friend Gaither and I, we've done Passovers where we slaughtered the lamb and went through a painstaking process to not break any bones before we served it in a Passover meal.

That's not what's happening this year. But I have done that and I know what that is. But the point of it is, is that literally the way God instituted it, you know, your family is going to share, you know, flesh of the sacrificial, of this lamb. Its blood saved your family's life. In other words, you're going to take that hyssop, or in this case, corpus, and you're going to paint it on the door of your house so that your family doesn't lose their firstborn. Yep.

And I'm a firstborn. So how would that play out? And for a listener to picture, what's going to happen, Robbie, with the blood? Where are they going to put the blood? It's a beautiful thing, right? That God ordered them to take that hyssop and to put it on the door, you know, frame of their house. So they're going to take it and paint it across.

And like you said, it has a basin at the bottom. So it's a beautiful thing. It looks like a cross, right? So when that death angel came, there's blood at the top, blood on both sides, and blood at the bottom, the death angel saw the cross. And what saves a person is the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.

We use that symbology. It's Jesus that saves, but the cross is what's saved. And as a firstborn, I've thought about that so many times that what if my dad, what if I had not have put the blood on the door? Then I would have died. But I come out and I can see where others have died.

But for me, I'm alive. And I look back and say the blood of the Lamb saved me. And folks, one day we get to heaven, we're not going to look back. We're going to look forward and say the blood of the Lamb, looking at Jesus, he saved us. He saved me. And I believe the first thing we'll say when we get to heaven is worthy is the Lamb.

I just believe that's what's going to happen. You're not going to get to heaven and start asking questions. You're going to get to heaven and say worthy is the Lamb.

All right. What else? We've got the Lamb. What's going to happen with the Lamb? Are you going to cook it? Oh, it's going to be cooked.

There's no doubt about it. And it's going to be consumed. And it's going to all be consumed before midnight. And again, it's a festive meal. We have eggs that represent new life. And the Jews do that in a very special way. They boil them, then they roast them, and of course we have, you know, all the other elements that we already talked about as far as the food. But then, just as Jesus did, as he did the Last Supper, right, we are going to have communion, right, with that fourth cup of wine.

Okay. And with that remaining piece of masa called the afikoman. And then really take that whole picture. And then interestingly, just like Jesus did, you do the Hallel's. And at our particular Seder that we'll have tomorrow, again, you can go to ChristianCarGuy.com.

Please get tickets and please come join us. You know, we have a really cool rendition of the 118 Psalm, which is an Hallel. There's a whole series of Hallel's that are in the teens there in the Psalms. But that 118 Psalm, if you read it, you'll see it's completely what is going to happen to Jesus in the next few hours. And he was singing it with his disciples on his way out to the, you know, the garden. And the neat thing about this rendition that we have, they believe it's in the original Davidic cypher. And so you're listening to the music that they believe was the music that they played to sing the 118 Psalm. And it's sang in, not only in that music, but it's sang in Hebrew in a cantor harmony.

And it's something to hear. And again, you can read it as we begin to listen to it. And you can get a feel of what they literally were singing on their way out to pray in the garden. And, you know, it's a really amazing thing that here you are reliving the Last Supper as well as Passover as well as heading into, you know, this year heading into Palm Sunday. So really, really cool. And then last but not least, I love this part because there's a song called Hadgaya that the Jews use at the end of a Seder to finish it.

And actually there's one we're going to use at our Seder tomorrow. It's sung by Jack Black, who you might remember did The School of Rock. He's quite a character, but like most Jewish people, has a phenomenal voice and a phenomenal gift. And he sings Hadgaya like you've never heard it. And essentially the song Hadgaya, you're going to like this, Nick. It's a kid's song.

It's about a father that bought his son a goat for two zuzim. That's amount of money. Okay.

That's amount of money. I'm learning all this. Listeners, I'm learning this too now. Okay. So this father bought this goat, but they had this cat that ate the goat, and a dog ate the cat, and a stick beat the dog, and the fire, right, burned up the stick and the water, quenched the fire, and the ox drank up the water, and the butcher ate the ox, and the angel of death killed the butcher, but fortunately God showed up and killed the angel of death. So they do that, you know, like they would any song, you know, where it all, you know, they give you each new element, and it keeps coming back to, you know, my father's bought a goat for two zuzim.

And so it's really cool that these things all represent very significantly huge things. Like these two zuzim are, in their standpoint, the two covenants of the oral Torah and the written Torah. Okay. Now we have another way to look at that. We have two covenants. Oh, Testament and you, Testament.

I got you. Right, right, right. The two zuzim.

However you want to look at that. And of course the goat represents the Jewish people in unity, which I find fascinating. They used a goat, not sheep, but they didn't ever hear Jesus explain that that would not be a good idea. But anyway, it's a goat. Well the cat, they believe, is representative. See, the cat ate the goat, and it was the jealousy of the 11 brothers that got him sent into Egypt. Of course, that put him under the Pharaoh, who's, that's the dog that ate the cat. Right?

A lot of people like this right now. Yeah. And then there's this stick that beat the dog. Well the stick is Moses' rod.

Okay. So the stick that beat the dog was Moses' rod. Things were going good. And then it says the fire burned up the stick. And what that was is Israel's idolatry. You may remember that both Israel and Judah went into idolatry, and they both ended up in captivity, and that fire burned up Moses' stick, and clearly it did. But interestingly, it says the water quenched the fire. Now what's water? We know it's Torah, right? We know it is the Bible. The Word, yes. It's absolutely beautiful. And the water, you know, quenched the fire, and it burnt the stick, that beat the dog, that ate the cat, that ate the goat.

My father bought for two zuzim. You get the picture? So don't worry. Then we got this ox that drinks up the water, and that's Greece. And then there's the butcher, that's Rome, that killed the ox, et cetera, and it goes on and on. And you want to hear the rest of it, you're going to have to come to the Seder.

And it does not just mean those things that way, but there's also an inner spiritual meaning. We've got that too coming up, but I hope you'll join us. We're going to both be here. Doctors date the word Carson, and we'll be back next week.