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You can email me at info at karm.org, and that would be for radio questions and things like that. We've got a few stored up, so I'll be getting into some of those. And let's see, also, wow, okay, look at that. Good. Also, I was gonna say something important.

What was it I just forgot? Oh, hate mail. I do hate mail on Fridays. I love hate mail. And I've had a lot of people, some people just love when I do hate mail, and some don't.

But more people like it than not, so I'll do some hate mail. That's enjoyable. And let's see, I'm checking things out. Got everything going. So there you go. Five open lines, 877-207-2276.

You can email me at info at karm.org. And let's do this, let's see. Don't know if I read this one or not. Your research on Mormonism is flawed. On example is a section that asks, are Mormons Christian? I know you believe they aren't. That's correct, they are not Christians.

It's not me just saying it or believing it. No, they're not, because they denied the true, living God, and they replaced the true God with an invention of Joseph Smith, but at any rate, if your research was correct, then that would be true. Ah, so if my research is correct, then Mormonism is not Christian. Well, my research is correct, therefore Mormonism is not Christian. He says we do not believe in three gods. Heavenly Father is God, Jesus is our savior. I was born and raised Baptist church.

I did this one already, but it's worth going over. No, Mormonism does teach three gods. It teaches a God the Father, another God the Son, another God the Holy Ghost, and then there's a mother goddess and there's the God who exalted the God of this world, or Elohim in their view. So there's at least five gods right there in Mormonism, and this is why it is not Christian, because it denies the truth of who God is. If you're studying with Mormons, ask them, how many gods are there? And they'll say, oh, just one.

No, no, no, no. How many gods are there everywhere? Oh, we don't know, okay?

Now, I can answer that, just one. There's only one God everywhere, but they teach as many gods that you serve and worship, only one of the many that are there. So anyway, that's what Mormonism teaches. It's not Christian, and I know that my radio show goes down there in Salt Lake City area. I know a lot of Mormons are offended by what I say, but I just have to tell you the truth. Mormonism is not a Christian religion. It's a false religion that was begun by Joseph Smith, who said that God is an exalted man from another world, and that he has a goddess wife, and that they have relations in heaven mixed spirit offspring that inhabit human bodies on earth. Now, this is simply not Christian, and what Mormons will do is they reinterpret the scriptures. Like, even the Bible says, you know, God says in Isaiah 43, 10, 44, 6, 44, 8, 45, 5, he says he doesn't even know the other gods, or know gods formed before him, know other gods, period, doesn't even know them. They say, that just means of this world, and it never says just of this world. It says, is there any like me?

No, there's not. Doesn't even know of any other, and what they'll do is they'll change the word of God to make it suit their theology, and that's the makings of a cult, just makings of damnation, of eternal damnation, because when you have a false god, then the faith that you have is in something false, and false faith doesn't save you from your sins. So they have a false god, and I'm not angry at Mormons. I'm just informing Mormons that Mormonism is false, and that reminds me, if anybody's interested, whatever, I mean, if they are, they are, they're not, they're not, but I'll be down in Salt Lake City area on, let's see, let's see, probably Thursday the 23rd. Yeah, I will be, because I'm gonna go to Sandra Tanner's retirement party. I'm not even sure exactly when that is, but I'll probably be, yeah, probably get there on the day before, stay with Eric Johnson, my wife is probably gonna go too, and then we're going to be there for the Sandra Tanner retirement party, and so I know Sandra, she's great. Sandra Tanner is the world's foremost expert on Mormonism, and she runs Utah Lighthouse Ministry, which I've been there many times, and anyway, so I'll be down there. Be down there for a few days, one, two, three, four, five days, I don't know, and if people want me to come and speak at their church or something like that, let me know. If not, no big deal, but so just be down there, all right, because I live here in Idaho, and it's about a five-hour drive for me.

When normal people drive, it's like 12 hours, but when I drive, that's right, I get it done. All right, there we go, I think that's about that. Let's see, get back over to here. All right, emails, I like emails, I do. I'd thought yesterday that I was normal.

Wow, this is good. I wasn't. I eventually found out very early this morning that I had become, what, an MPD. I don't know what an MPD is.

A petite brown-haired white female was with the altar. This had also had happened this past August of this year. I do believe that this time of the last day's subject of revelation. Here in Minneapolis, wow, all the construction workers are in altered state of consciousness while working. This means that even I could not work there as a go-for. Sometimes, there are just people who obviously got issues, and we're not trying to make fun of them, but there's something going on there, so we'll just move on from that. All right, let's jump on the phones with Jamal from North Carolina. Jamal, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, Master, how you doing, man?

So what do you got? I'm good. Wanted to ask about working with somebody that is a female pastor. Yeah, that's unbiblical. And I know you said, sorry? Yeah, a woman pastor is not biblical.

It's against scripture. Right, right, right. I thought you preached about that. You're breaking up, so I can't. You're breaking up, you're breaking up. You gotta try it again, because I can't understand you.

Go ahead, try it again. Okay, yeah, I've heard you talk about that several times. Yes.

And that's one of the reasons why I'm calling. Somebody reached out to me to work with them on an event. More or less like a prayer vigil, fasting. So I wanted to see if that was okay to work with somebody on an event like that, even though we might have some differences in our faith. Wait, is it a woman pastor you're talking about working with?

Yes. Would this mean that you're approving of her position? No, sir, I already told her that. I don't really believe in that, and she's fine with that.

Yeah, she should step down from her position, and a man should be raised up to do what men are supposed to be doing, and that's not a job for a woman, so she shouldn't be doing it. But it depends on the circumstance and things like that. So I'm not sure how to answer you, because we don't wanna be, or you don't wanna be in a position where it looks like you're approving of her position.

Right. And if that's going to happen, then I wouldn't recommend that you do it. But then again, let's say you're, like me, I'm different. I'm different than most people. I might do something like that in order to get an expert to say, why are you a woman pastor? Can you give me an answer? 1 Peter 3.15 tells you to give an answer to everyone who would ask you. I'm asking you right now, why are you doing that?

And of course, I've asked many women this question over the years, not a single one has, oh, wait, wait, no, I will give an exception to that. Only one woman in all the years I've ever asked why they're women pastor, only one woman gave me an answer. It was a very interesting answer. And this woman, I think she lived either in Pakistan, or it was one of the Muslim-run countries, and she said that if the men become pastors, they're killed. They're just killed.

Wow. And so if she does the pastoring, then she won't be killed, and for some reason they permit it, because that's a woman, the Muslims. And she said, this is the way it is in this area. I said, really?

And she says, yeah, if the men rise up for this, they're killed. So what do you do then? Wow, that's unfortunate.

Yeah, what do you do then? I said, well, present the gospel to people, do what you gotta do then. But that was interesting. It's the only time a woman actually gave a defense for it.

That was an interesting defense, you know, so. So nevertheless, you know, normally speaking women are not to be in that position. So it depends on what the circumstances are for you. Okay. Yeah, this is, I don't, and I guess I could get further detail on it, and I'll just follow up real quick. This is going to be what she told me specifically, is they're going too fast. There's going to be some prayer, but I didn't hear any mention of any preaching going on, because I know if that was to happen, that would be, you know, a big problem. So if it was just that, it was just prayer and fasting, and she already knows my position, and I'm not really going to move on that position. And I know her position, and there's no preaching going on with fasting.

Would fasting and prayer be acceptable? Yeah, again, I do not answer that, because if she is leading it, and it's a church-ish function, then she's out of authority. She's in error. But, you know, if a bunch of women wanted to get together and have a prayer service, hey, that's fine.

I'd be in there, you know, pray, you know. Not a problem. But if a woman pastor's leading it or organizing it, and she's a beneficial woman pastor, personally, that's just my opinion. If you disagree, that's okay. But my opinion is I couldn't participate.

That's just me, because I'm a little bit more obstreperous about this kind of an issue than most. Right, right. All right.

So you know, you can decide. Okay, all right. I'm sorry, go ahead, sir. No, go ahead, sir. You go ahead. You got time for another question, or should I call it back?

No, go ahead. Okay. All right, I was talking to somebody about politics and government, and they were not for abortion, but said that because they don't want, to paraphrase, they don't want this country to be a theocracy, they can't say that they will vote to abolish abortion based on their Christian values. Right, okay, that actually kind of tells me what you think about that. That person is playing the fool. Well, let me tell you the question real quick.

Yeah, that person is being fooled. Right, right, yeah, and I believe that. So should Christian values kind of, well, should we be run by Christian values in our politics, you know, top to bottom?

Yes, of course, of course, absolutely, yes. Because think about what Christian values are. In fact, let's talk about it after the break. Let's talk about what Christian values are in politics.

All right, we'll see if they ought to be in political systems. Hey, folks, Four Open Lines. If you wanna give me a call, all you gotta do is dial 877-207-2276. I'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back to the show.

Let's get back on air here with Jamal. Are you there? Yes sir. All right, so here are some of the Christian principles that we should have in government.

Not taking a bribe, not lying, being honest, believing that your position of influence is for the benefit of others, not yourself, to not participate in insider trading, believing all life is sacred, even that which is in the womb, that borders should be secure, that there are such things as women and men, that sexuality should not be taught to elementary school children, that we have the right of self-defense, et cetera. That's what Christian principles teach. All right. You wanna know what else is biblical?

Yeah, sure, good. Yeah, that people have the right to do with their properties they desire. That's Acts 5-4, as well as the representative form of government led by godly people. That's Exodus and Deuteronomy.

I won't read all the references. Where there's self-governance, private property rights, the liberty to act freely, the right to bear arms, practice capitalist principles, where law requires a fair trial with witnesses, to not have foreign rulers and the right of taxation in support of the government. Everything I've been mentioning are biblical principles. How about that? Well, could I go as far as to say that this would be a theocracy?

No. Theocracy is run by God through the prophets and or the apostles. And that's not the case here. So that we can have biblical principles. I'd recommend for everybody listening, read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And you'll find there's Christian principles in there.

You will. It's just the way it is. So if people say we don't want biblical principles in government, then they're saying they don't want people to be able to do with their own properties they desire. They don't want a representative form of government. Communism. They don't want self-governance. They want communism. Or private property.

No, they want communism. Or the liberty to act freely. Or free speech.

They wouldn't want that either. Because these are all biblical things. They're fools who deny these things and then try and replace godliness and goodness with the truth variables of gender transitioning, the brainwashing and molestation of children. And the sexual promiscuity that is taught to them, as well as sexual confusion, ambiguity that is taught to destroy our country, opening our borders, letting non-citizens come in and just take over. This is what's happening. So what's going to happen is that this continues. Our government and our culture will fail. This is what the enemy of the gospel wants.

And it's what communist systems want for America. You know, I went to Israel and I just got back on Sunday. And I ended up speaking to an Israeli national.

His English was very good. And we got talking. And he said, look, you don't realize, we look to America. We look to America as that beacon of what is right and strong and good. And I said to him, but you know that America is failing, right?

He says, oh, yes. We see it. We can't believe what's happening in your country. The stupidity that's going on.

I said, that's right. Our country is being run by fools. Fools are the ones running our government. And Biden, now he wants to start taxing trillions of dollars worth of stuff from the rich people. And as though they don't have the right to be rich. Of course they have the right to be rich.

They're the ones who earned it. They can do what they want with their property and their money. And now what they want to do, the government wants to do, is go in and tax them more to give it to the state. This is a form of communism. And it destroys governments.

Yeah, and to interject real quick, I want you to finish your point. I heard on MobileStar, which is also the truth network station, that we cannot tax our way out of this. This is not an income problem. This is a spending problem. Yeah, well the Democrats, and I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, but the Democrats spend what they don't have. They take from others and then spend it. And then when people complain, they accuse them of racism, or bigotry, or homophobia, whatever it is.

And they accuse. In my opinion, the Democratic Party is in the service of the evil one. And the Republicans are too far behind.

Yeah. We're going to lose our country. Yeah, that's why I had to change my affiliation. Because as you probably remember, I used to be Democrat, pretty hardcore. But I just had to change because their policies were not lining up with scripture.

They were not lining up with God. No, the Democratic Party is an evil party. Let's see, the Democratic Party is supported. Let's see, I got my notes.

Here, look at this. In 1830, the Democratic president, Andrew Jackson, created the Indian Removal Act that forced indigenous peoples to leave their homeland. 1857, in the Scott versus Sanford case, the court ruled that slaves aren't citizens, that they are property. The seven justices voting in favor of that were Democrats.

The two who dissented were Republicans. In 1860, 11 slave states secede from the Union. Democrats are the one who started the Civil War. In 1863, Republican President Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation. In 1865, Republicans passed the 13th Amendment that permanently outlawed slavery. 1865, the Confederate veterans founded the KKK to oppose the Republican Party's integration of blacks. Its first grand wizard was a Democrat named Nathan Bedford Forrest. In 1868, Republicans passed the 15th Amendment, giving blacks the right to vote.

No Democrat supported it. Reconstruction in 1869 ended, and Democrats re-established white supremacy in the South with Jim Crow laws that legalized segregation. 1872, Republicans elected the first African-American senators and representatives. In 1872, the Republicans did that.

And Republicans now, they're rhinos. Anyway, in 1878, Republican Senator Aaron Sargent introduced the 19th Amendment to give women the right to vote. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted it out. In 1939, Democrat and KKK cover girl Margaret Sanger created the Negro Project and planned parenthood to cull the black population. In 1964, the Republican-controlled Congress passes the 1964 Civil Rights Act as an extension of the Republicans' 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights Act.

Democratic senators filibustered the bill for a record 75 days. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's pretty scathing there. Is this all of this, by any chance, on the CARM website? I don't know.

What you can do, I don't know if it is or not. I got so much on there. Go look in the government section and see if I have it.

I probably do. But you can look up Time for Truth, just one big word, Time for Truth, and look up History of the Democratic Party. And I've done this. I've looked up History of the Democratic Party. Oh my goodness, it's bad. It's an evil party, seriously. They're full of liars. And I'm not saying that the Republicans are much better, because I don't trust them anymore.

I could throw them. But check this out. 1854, the Democrats enforced the Kansas-Nebraska Act that allowed importing of slaves into territories.

And the Republican Party was formed to stop it. And there's more. I got a lot more.

I didn't read it. Anyway, hey, hold on, I've got a break. Hey, folks. If Jamal's still on, we'll talk to him after the break. We have three open lines, 8772072276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 8772072276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show.

Jamal, are you still there? Most definitely. All right. And the article is on the website on CARM, History of the Democratic Party in America. And there's a lot more there than I quoted you.

And it's documented. So you can check it out, all right? Check it out. Right, right. Most definitely.

I'll check it out. And real quick, somebody who is listening, or somebody who would, I guess, I would have this conversation with him, said, well, that stuff might be true about the Democratic Party, but I was back then. Well, yeah, you guys are still doing some kind of nasty crap right now. So you're not all that different.

Now, think about this. The Democrats accuse people of sin without using the word sin. They discovered that by accusing people of racism, ageism, whatever it is, ism, that the accused spend time defending themselves. And so the Democrats are full, in my opinion, not every Democrat is, but full of evil people. The Republican Party has many evil people. And when I say evil people, I mean those who are ungodly and against the principles of God.

That is evil. Well, they want abortion, and they want segregation. And the Democrats, there's a quote from nationalreview.com, the Democrats were the party of slavery, black codes, Jim Crow, and that miserable terrorist excrescents.

Wow, it's a weird word. The Ku Klux Klan. Republicans were the party of Lincoln, Reconstruction, anti-lintaging laws, and the Civil Rights Act of 1875, 1957, 1960, and 1964. Now, I believe both parties are corrupt now, but this is what's going on.

I got a documentation on my website right there. Yeah. And one of the latest things that I could point to, how the Democrats are trying to demonize the Republicans. And you're right, it's not all Democrats. And it's Democrats, and it's not all Republicans. But when I heard that, when they were talking about that attack in, I think, Alabama on the police station, and you had some Democrats saying, yeah, it was because it was supporting the white supremacy. Because they want to close the borders.

I was like, you got to support me. White supremacy? Stupid. You want to close the borders?

You're making that kind of connection? Come on, that's ridiculous. It is ridiculous. And you know something, I'm a white guy, I don't know what you are or who, and I don't care. But the thing is, people say white supremacy and white privilege.

What white privilege? I had to work my tail off for where I am. I didn't get any handouts. I went into debt in college and graduate school. I used to work 60, 70 hour weeks for 15 years to get where I'm at now.

And you've got to work hard. And what really bothers me, this idea of reparations. Why should people now, let's just say whites and blacks, why should the whites pay for something they didn't do for people that they weren't slaves? And my ancestors came from Germany in the late 1800s.

So I got nothing to do with it. My ancestors will have it. And yet they want money. It's just bad people everywhere. And there's lazy people everywhere who want handouts everywhere. And that's a socialist thing is to put people on the dole taking handouts so that they become dependent on the government. And they don't become independent. And then they become slaves to the system. And it's ridiculous. It is.

It's not a special system. And I'm a black out of the way. And even being a black guy, I've been accused of being racist against black folks. And I'm like, how can I be racist against a black guy? Maybe it's because you identify as a white guy internally without admitting it. And so therefore you can be racist.

Who knows? You know what, they will probably say something like that. It's ridiculous. You know, I've talked to more and more African-Americans, black people, whatever the right phrase is, I don't know. But I've talked to more and more who are, their eyes are open. But the Democrats are full of crap. And they are. And don't, I'm not saying that Republicans got it all together.

I yell at them on TV, like, you idiots, why don't you stand up and do what's right? Oh, we need Christian principles. And as long as you follow under, oh, yeah, most definitely.

As long as you follow under biblical rule, you can kind of shift out the people who don't need to serve. And that's my opinion. I agree with you. That's right. I agree.

They didn't, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I don't want to hold you up because I can go for a while. And I appreciate the message. I'll keep doing what you're doing, and God bless, brother. You too, man. God bless, brother. If you're ever in Idaho, let me know, all right? Yeah, OK, bye. All right, man, God bless. All right, let's jump over to, let's see, we from Texas. I hope I got that right.

Welcome, you're on the air. Maybe. Person's waiting a long time. About female pastors, I don't know if the person is frantically hitting phone buttons. It won't unmute. You never know.

So I tell you what, I hope we can, I'm stalling here because I'm hoping after 30 seconds, OK, hung up, we, if you can hear me, we couldn't hear you, call back and just get you right in there. So about women pastors, women pastors are unbiblical. And this is not me just being mean folks. Let me give you the scriptures for it and tell you what the Bible says. This is an issue of God's word, not of my opinion. So when you go to 1 Timothy 2, 12, it says this, it says, Paul says, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man but are being silent or remain quiet, actually, for it was Adam who was first created and then Eve.

So this is not a cultural thing. It's based on the created order of God. That's in 1 Timothy 2, 12.

Now check this out. This is in 1 Timothy 3, the very next chapter. An overseer must be above reproach, that's a bishop, OK, the husband of one wife, OK, and he must manage his household well, et cetera. And it says women must be temperate, faithful, et cetera, deacons must be husbands of one wife.

How can women be deacons? What Paul says. And people say, well, that's just him giving his opinion. Well, look what he says in the same chapter. What he does, he says, but in the case I'm delayed, verse 15, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar in support of the truth. So Paul is writing on how you're to behave and conduct yourself in the household of God. Women are not to be, pastors and elders are not to teach or exercise authority over men. They're not to be in that position.

That's what he says. I won't debate anybody on this. If you want to have a formal public debate on it, we'll arrange it.

Fly out to your church on the East Coast, whatever. We'll have a formal debate on should women be pastors and elders according to the Bible. I'll debate it. And I've been offering this for 18 years of being on radio.

And guess what? Not a single person's ever taken me up on it. I've been saying this off and on for 18 years.

Nobody's taken me up on it. Why is it that people who claim to be women pastors in support of it won't have a formal, polite, godly, and biblically based debate on it? Why is it they won't do that when they're called to defend what they're supposed to do? I believe, according to 1 Peter 3.15, I believe it's because they're not following God's word. And I would say that to them and to their face politely and say, I don't believe you're calling God's word. I believe you're in a rebellion against a true living God.

You need to repent. People need to talk like that, because when you have the assurance of the truth of God's word, you can speak with authority. Not that I have authority. God's word is authority. You speak with his authority.

You speak it. And Titus 1.5, for this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains at a point elders in every city as I directed you. Namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe. That's the word presbuteros. You get presbyter or elder from. And then he says, for the overseer, that's word bishop, episkopos in the Greek. Must be above reproach, not self-willed, et cetera. So the elder and the overseer are one in the same office, according to that.

And check this out. You go to 1 Timothy 5, let's see, I think it's 5, 17. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. So a preacher, a pastor and preacher, is an elder by definition. The elders are to be onermeas quinicos in the Greek, husband of one wife, man of one woman.

How does a woman fit that bill? Oh, wait a minute. I stand corrected. If you identify as a woman, I guess you can, or a man, then you can be a pastor.

I wonder how long that's going to be before it creeps into the church for further degradation of the truth of God's word. This identification thing, we've got a little break coming up here. But I was thinking, if someone identifies as a rock, does it make that person actually a rock? The answer is no.

The reason is because a rock has a different nature than a human. You can't identify as something that you're not and then that's what you are. It's ludicrous to think that. So if a man is a woman, he identifies as a woman, does his nature change?

Of course not. It's just self-deception. That's all that's going on there.

And it's also an attack on the truth of God's word and his work in the world. We need more people to say things like that. It needs to be said. We'll be right back, folks, after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the show, the last segment of the hour for this Friday. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Tyler from New York. Welcome, Tyler.

You're on the air. Hey, brother. How you doing? Doing all right, man. Hang it in there.

What do you got, buddy? Yeah, I got a question about perseverance of the stans. I was just talking to brother on the phone and it turned into a really ugly argument. I tried to just talk calmly and they started pulling some scripture from Revelation to try to argue against, they call it eternal scary. I just like calling it definite redemption.

They pulled the scripture, like God desires all to be saved, and obviously they don't believe in limited atonement. But also like Revelation, I'll blot you out of the blameless book of life. And trying to pull the scriptures, I'm like, man, I was so anxious because I didn't know what to do.

And I'm like, man. Which one are you going to tackle? Let's tackle one at a time.

Pick one and we'll go through it and I'll show you what to do. Probably the one where it says, blot you out of the blameless book of life. So the Lamb's Book of Life, all right. The Book of the Lamb, let's think of this, Book of. OK, for example, Revelation 3.5. He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments and I will not erase his name from the Book of Life.

OK, so does it mean that the name can be erased? They're going to say yes. And I'd ask them, OK, what's the book of life?

Don't tell me a guess. Show me from scripture what the book of life is. If you're going to say it means they're saved, maybe that's the case. But show it to me from scripture. And if you can't, you cannot say that that's what it is. It's just your opinion and your reading into the scriptures. I want evidence out of scripture. Please show it to me.

You'll find that if you use this approach, you'll find that their arguments fall pretty quickly. Because they don't realize, a lot of people don't realize, they're reading into things. Now look at it says here, those who overcome.

Now what this is is a message to Sardis. And some people say it's dispensational. Some people say different things to the angels of particular churches and the people of those churches. So they were under a judgment of God. And he says those who are clothed in white garments, which certainly does imply salvation because white garments were a symbol of purity.

And those who have that will not have their names erased from the Book of Life. All right, now the Book of Life, from what I understand, was also a book that was held by the elders at the gates of the city. So you'd have a city that's maybe 10 football fields put together and a wall around it.

Or maybe not, but they have these gates. And it's with the official place of that town or that village or that small city. And they would often have a book of those who, in a census, were alive. They called it the Book of Life. And when you died, your name was crossed out. So what Revelation is doing, what John is doing, is referencing a common understanding of keeping a census of those who are alive.

And he's using this. He says, look, if you have these white garments that you're saved, you'll not be blotted out. That's a verse that shows security right there. You clothe the white garments, and you'll not be blotted out.

See, it won't happen, will it? And you go, ah, well, I didn't think of that. In the hair, it says, all who dwell on the earth will worship him. This is Revelation 13.8. Everyone whose name has not been written in the foundation of the world in the Book of Life, of the Lamb who was slain. Now, wait a minute, let's look at that.

And I'll ask him. I'll say, look, if you go to Revelation 13.8, the context is about the antichrist, the beast, and things like that, the beast from the sea. And it says, all who dwell on the earth will worship him. That means the false people, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life. So wait a minute, if God has written a person's name in the Book of Life from the foundation, well then, are they going to be blotted out even though they were written by God from the foundation of all things, the foundation of the world? It doesn't make any sense to say, well, yeah, they're blotted out. Well, then why would God put their name in there since he would know if the Book of Life means you're saved? You see?

It's just looking at stuff. And then here's another one. Let's see, Revelation 17.8. The beast that saw was and is not and is about to come upon the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, those whose name has not been written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world.

There's the same thing. Revelation 20.12. I saw the dead, the great and small, standing before the throne. And books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. The dead were judged from the things which were written in the books according to their deeds.

That doesn't say you can or cannot lose it. It just says the Book of Life. And if anyone's name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire, Revelation 20.15.

You might go on, but you see, you just read it. It's not showing that you lose your salvation. But here's something I will do with those who teach you can lose it. I'll say, OK, so you teach you can lose your salvation. Yes, OK.

There's logical problems with that, but I'm going to get into that maybe in a bit here. And I'll say, well, what do you have to do to keep it? What do you do to keep yourself right with the infinitely holy God?

What do you do? I'm going to write down the things you tell me you've got to do. That's what people don't really think about, is if they say, yeah, you can lose your salvation, well, then how do you lose it? Well, you lose it by being bad or by not believing or whatever it is.

OK, so then what do you do to keep it? And then they're going to give me a list. And then I say, are you doing these things?

Who's doing these things? Well, you've got to never watch an R-rated movie. I've had one guy who say, if you watch an R-rated movie, you lose your salvation.

OK, stupid, but that's what he said. And I said, really? So if you were to go watch an R-rated movie, you'd lose your salvation? He goes, yes. What if you watched an R-rated movie you didn't know was R-rated? Then what happens? You know, well, the legalism that the people impose upon others and themselves from this is ridiculous.

So what you do is you just ask them to list out those things and then see if they're doing what they say is necessary. OK? I can give you more arguments if you want, but go ahead. And then the other thing is, obviously, it's just the confusion of sanctification and justification, right? It comes to a point where you're like, human freewill choice, if that's the basis of our salvation, it's nerdy. Because good decisions are rewarded all the time in the human world. It's called the business world. Make a good choice, you get rewarded for it.

It works. That's the way I look at it. It's called humanism, and it's in the Christian church. Humanism has infiltrated Christian theology within a lot of Christian churches in America. And the idea of humanistic philosophy is that the human will and mind and goodness are the standard of righteousness. So I'll do my best, my sincerity is good enough with God.

And that with Christ, I'll make it. And that's humanistic philosophy. It's a false gospel. And so this is common in churches. And also they'll say, it's just completely up to your own freewill choice to believe in Christ.

Well, no, it's not. Because if that were the case, then why would Jesus say, you cannot come to me unless it's granted to you from the Father? John 6.65.

And if it's up to your freewill choice and your sinfulness, then why is it that you cannot come to him unless God grants it to you? And I just ask them. And they don't like being confronted. And part of the reason I believe that they don't want to be confronted is because they're prideful. And I call them, I say, you're full of pride. And they'll say, no, I'm not. I say, yes, you are. You believe that you can actually keep yourself right with the infinitely holy God by your effort. That's pride. You have no idea how much pride you have in your heart.

This is why you're so deceived. Exhausting. It really is.

Yeah. To live by your works. And it's just when you see Christ, and when you see, like, it has finished the test. I cry when I look at the cross.

I say, Lord, you're so good. Like, Jesus, thank you that I can just rest in your work. And I don't have to read my Bible 500 times a day.

I can just know him. And I can just know from experience that trying to pursue Jesus in your own strength is exhausting. That's why the Reformed faith is so beautiful, because it just makes you rest.

And it just changes your heart. And not that we become lazy, but it's like, man, God, I can just be still and know your God and know that Christ's work is sufficient to save me for now. Praise be to the Lord. That's it. Amen, brother.

That's right. You and I are just not good enough, even in our best efforts, to please God. And this is why we rely on the blood of Christ and everything that he's done, not in our goodness.

We're just not good enough. But other people think they are. Oh, yeah, my sincerity, my faith, my faithfulness, my ability to repent will keep me right with God.

Otherwise, I might lose it. This is Roman Catholicism. It's Eastern Orthodoxy. It's Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses. It's Islamic theology. It's all the same.

Yeah. It just comes down to that. When you see the mercy of God and everyone chooses sin, Romans 3 is so clear on that. There's none who does good and none who seeks for God. So if God looks at time, there's a good belief, none belief. So that means everyone goes to hell. And no one gets saved, and Jesus doesn't come to Earth and save us. It's just so clear.

I don't know how to. I'm just so grateful that God opened my eyes to the truth. I don't know why, because I wish there were other people that I wish I were apart from Christ and others knew him. I feel that when Paul says that in Romans 11, I think.

My kin's been according to the flesh and all like that. They might be saved and I'd be cut off from Christ. The love that God gives you for other people, it's like, man, Jesus saved them, too. Well, good for you that you see the great grace of God, which is juxtaposed with your great depravity. And I'm not just accusing you, because I'm there, too. And only in the greatness of the gulf between us do we realize how great God is and what he has done for us.

And that we're secure in his work, not ours. And praise God, I don't have to keep the law or be good in order to keep myself right with God. This doesn't mean I want to sin, of course not. I want to serve him, because I'm regenerate. But I can rest in him.

Yeah. Praise God. John 1.13, hold the weight, man.

It depends on the man who lives in Rome. That's Romans, and who will be gone out of mercy. And it's not who were born out of human decision or blood but by the blood of God. I love the blood of God.

That's right. Born not of blood, nor the will of flesh, nor the will of man, but of God. They take credit. They take credit for what God does. They take credit for what God does. And this is the problem in the Christian church.

One of the problems in the Christian church, man-centered theology. It's there. All right, brother?

Yeah. Hey, grace and peace, brother. Thank you so much. You too, man. God bless. All right, let's see if we can jump in with one last minute with John from North Carolina. Welcome, you're on the air. We've got about a minute.

You there? Maybe not. Political party switch. That's what the topic is.

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