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I did. If you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you. This weekend I went up to the mountains to a friend's new people.

He bought some property. I'm doing a lot of work up there as I'm working with stuff on them. We have to actually carry out there because there's bears. It's a lot of fun. So that's what we did. Had fun.

Had a good meal and good fellowship with some people. Nevertheless, hey, I'm working on an article on the Perusia. No big deal. That's the return of Christ.

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Pretty easy. All right. That was quick and slick. All right. There's one more thing, and I can't remember what it is, but that's okay. Let's get on the air with Rudolph from Raleigh, North Carolina. Rudolph, welcome. You're on the air.

Yes, sir. In all millennialism, how is Satan already bound? The position held by all millennialists is that the binding of Satan does not mean he can't do anything. As it says in Revelation 20, he's bound so that he will not deceive the nations anymore.

That's one of the bindings. Now, there's another form of it that's spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 12, 22, 32, where he says in order to cast out demons, the strong man must first be bound. This is what Jesus says in Matthew 12, 22, 32, and then he references the devil. He references Beelzebub and the devil. So the logical implication is that Satan was bound at that time with Christ, with the time of Christ.

And a lot of people are not familiar with that, and so that's one of the supports used in the amillennial position. But, again, it does not mean that he can't do anything bad. It just means he's bound from doing certain kinds of things.

And that's the position. Okay, but I know that you don't believe in a 1,000-year millennium, but during that time when Christ comes back to the earth, he's going to be put away for some time. So will he be bound up for good then? When what happens when Jesus returns? When Christ comes back to the earth.

When he comes back, you know, he's bound up for a little while. Well, it depends. Yeah, because most people believe in the literal 1,000 years. I believe that its figurative period that we're in now, that position is just as old as the Christian church is.

It's not the dominant one here in America, though it used to be the dominant one in America, as things shift. And so generally when I talk about this with people, I want them to understand that if they disagree, that's fine. But then I show them the reasons. I hold the position, and usually their eyebrows just kind of ratchet up. They've never heard some of this stuff before. And I show it right out of the Word of God and say, see, this is why we hold this position.

And they go, wow, I didn't know that it was even there. You could even put that together like that. And I say, yeah, it's just what it is. Now, am I right? Maybe. Am I wrong?

Maybe. But in that position, when Jesus comes back, it is concomitant, which means related to and about at the same time. It's concomitant with his return are such things as the judgment of the wicked and the new heavens and new earth are made.

And I give you the references for that stuff. So in the amillennial position, when Christ returns, the rapture occurs generally just before his return, like minutes, hours, something like that. And the first one is taken, at least my position, is the first one is taken out of the wicked because Jesus says so at the end of the age. He says the first one is taken out of the wicked is what he says. And that's one of the things that I've never heard the premillennialists mention.

In any of their charts, in any of their examination of Scripture, I've not once come across any one of them that goes to Matthew 13, where Jesus says, first gather the tares and bind them. And that's at the end of the age, is what he says. Now they're going to say, well, the end of the age might be something. You know, it's funny you could say that. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

That's all right. It's funny you could say it because there was, I was listening to Rick Gaffen and he actually mentioned that. And he said that the exact way you said it. But still he's holding to the fact that the rapture of the church is going to still happen that way. So I don't understand how he's coming off that way. He said it exactly like he did. So you don't understand, is he premillennial? Yes. Okay.

But he said it exactly like he did. Well, it could be. It could be. I'm trying to be fair to the other side, is that they might say that after the thousand-year reign has occurred, then the wicked are taken first and then the good are taken. And that's the end of the age. But that's the only way I could see them putting that together. Now, if anybody has an answer to that, a better answer, and they want to call me up and go, no, that's not our position. It's this. I go, fine.

I'll give you your air time. But that's what I would understand, but that's problematic. Because there's only two ages, this age and the age to come. And then the question is what happens at the end of this age. And what happens at the end of the age of this age is the wicked are gathered, the judgment of the wicked occurs, the elect are gathered, the harvest occurs, and Jesus' return occurs along with the rapture.

All of this happens at the end of the age, which I'm looking at my chart or table, I should say, where I did the research on this years ago. And incidentally, when I do teach this, I've taught it in Bible studies a few times and I've said to people, look, let's just go through a bunch of scriptures and find out things and let one thing lead to another. And it supports the position of Amillennialism. And when you look at this age, the last day, the day of the Lord, the last trumpet, and after the tribulation, when you look at those phrases and then you map out when things occur according to what they say in the context, then in my opinion, my ignorant prejudicial opinion is that the premillennial position is not possible. And so that's it. And I say that that way because I don't know everything and maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I'm not seeing something right. And that's certainly possible. So if people want to correct me, I'm open to that.

I have no problem with it and I'm always open to learn. But there you go. That's why I hold what I do. Okay? Yes, sir. But I do it too because Matthew 24, it's always been because at the last trumpet, and that lines up with what it says when it comes back.

So that's why the prerequisites don't work either for me. At the last trumpet, it says in 1 Thessalonians 4, 16, the Lord will descend from heaven with the trumpet of God. And in 1 Corinthians 15, 52, the twinkling of the eye, the last trumpet will sound, the dead will raise. Well, if the rapture is with the trumpet and it's when the dead are raised, then it has to be the last trumpet according to 1 Corinthians 15, 52.

It has to be. And then Jesus says in Matthew... Yeah. In Matthew 24, Jesus says that when he returns, the sun will be darkened, et cetera, and that that's when we need to take a look at this.

We need to see what he says. He'll send forth his angels with the great trumpet. They'll gather together his elect from the four winds, from the one end of the sky to the other.

And that's after, he says, after the tribulation of those days. So when I put this together, I show people... Yeah, they're blown away. They go, how come we never saw this? I go, I don't know.

I don't know. Well, thank you. You're right. I believe you. But thank you. Have a good day. You too, man.

God bless, Rudolph. All right. Hey, folks, just so you know, I take the Bible very seriously, and I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying, though, that within Christianity, there's room for disagreement on that.

And I have a friend who's a Christian apologist like me, and he's post-millennial. And I said to him, and it was a joke, I said, I said, look, I thought you were smart. Why would you hold to that? And he laughed. And we talked about his position. And I said, tell me, what's this?

How do you hold to that? And he would tell me. And I could see his position. And so I don't agree with him, just as he doesn't agree with me, but that's okay.

We have to have harmony in the body of Christ and allow for differences of opinion on varying things. Let's get to Jason from Utah. Hey, Jason, welcome. You are on the air.

Hey, Matt, I have a question, and I probably feel like you probably answered it this time or two, and I apologize. I'm very curious on what your thoughts are of the rapture. I was in church the other day, and they were talking about, the pastor didn't say it, but a lot of the believers said that the rapture is going to be here less than five years. Wow. What's your thoughts on that? Is it something that a Christian can take to heart? No.

I mean, obviously, I'm not trying to play God or nothing, don't get me wrong. No, don't take it to heart. What's your thoughts on that?

Don't take it to heart. Do you think it will be about that time? Just for fun, if you don't mind me asking. Nope. Do you think God a lot has to accomplish and stuff?

Yep. I think that the temple in Jerusalem needs to be rebuilt, and there has to be a worldwide movement against Israel. None of these have happened yet. There must be a gathering of all the nations against Israel. That's not happened yet.

That's very important. The temple's got to be rebuilt. That hasn't happened.

His return can't come until now. If they mean pre-tribulation rapture has to happen in five years, no, I wouldn't put my eggs in that basket either. Go ahead. Does the temple have to be started, or does it have to be finished? That's a good question.

It says during the tribulation period that the sacrifices will continue, so it's possible it could begin before or during the tribulation period. Either one. Okay. All right. Well, thanks again.

I appreciate it. Here's the thing. When they tell you, they say, please give me your reasoning from scripture, that's what you have to do.

You say, okay, what's the reason for the word of God? And if they say they don't have any, well then, okay, you know, it's a problem. Let's see what they say. Okay?

I'd love to hear it. All right, God bless. Thanks again.

God bless, Jason. Okay. Hey, wow. Okay, Four Open Lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back.

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What do you got, buddy? I just finished reading Revelations today, and I have a question in chapter 20, verses 4 through 6. All right. And in verse 4, it talks about, I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for Jesus and the Word of God, and had not worshipped the beast or image or had the mark of the beast. Right. And then they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Then it says, The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Then it says, Blessed and holy is those who have part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests unto God and of Christ and shall reign with them a thousand years. So like it's starting to say in verse 6, that they were not part of the first resurrection, that reigned a thousand years. But then at the end of verse 6, it says they will reign with them a thousand years. So it's like almost two groups in the thousand years. I don't know if you follow my...

I think so. Let's take a look, because there are different views that are held in interpreting this pericope. So in the premillennial view, from what I understand, that they teach that the first resurrection is basically the rapture, which happens before the thousand year reign. And so the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

And blessed is holy is the one who keeps part in the first resurrection. Over those the second death has no power. Now it's a bit problematic with that interpretation, because there are people who will be saved from their position. There are people who will be saved during that millennial reign. So then they'd have to have another resurrection, so to speak, another kind of a rapture or work where the dead are raised.

So it's a bit of a problem in that position. The amil and the post-mil position, I think, are a little bit better suited for this if they were to interpret it, the rest of the dead did not come back until they were completed. This is the first resurrection, where the first resurrection is being born again. The first resurrection they interpret is the resurrection of the soul, the spirit. And then later it's the physical resurrection, which is the second one.

So let's look at it from that perspective and see how it fits. So the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. So that would mean that the thousand years we're in now, the first resurrection is being born again.

Okay, that would make sense. Blessed and holy is the one who has part in the first resurrection that's being born again. Over these, a second death has no power. Well, what's the second death?

The first death is our physical death, and the second death is being cast into hell. But they will be priests of God and Christ who will reign for him for a thousand years. Now, the premillennialists would say that the people who were resurrected reigned for that thousand years, literally in a thousand-year-old kingdom where Christ is ruling and reigning. And the amillennialists would say that the reigning of them is with the Lord in the heavens by being saints there in their proximity to Christ, being in Christ. Also, their position possible is that they are reigning in his kingdom here on earth now. Now, the weakness of that position is, well, it doesn't look like God's kingdom right now because things are getting worse. And so there's a weakness in the amillennial position. But then, when you go to Matthew 13, 40, when it talks about the tears are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age, the Son of Man will send forth his angels and he'll gather out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks. Now, that, a premillennialist could say, well, that fits perfectly with our position that after the thousand years, Jesus sends forth his angels and they gather out of his kingdom, all who commit lawlessness.

The problem then becomes, when you look at what the original parable was that Jesus gave, he talks about it having at the time of the harvest, which is at the end of the age, and the first ones gathered are the wicked, and they're gathered to be burned. Well, that doesn't happen in the, so you see, what I'm saying is that this is not an easy, it's not an easy thing to solve. It just isn't. And I could get a friend of mine on here and I could have him interpret the post-mill position. I could get another friend and they could tell me the premill position and I'd give you the amill position, and you could just say, well, they all have their points and their strengths and weaknesses, and then we move on from there and we're all friends and we just, I hope the premillennial pre-tribbers are right. That's what I hope. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's my wish.

Yeah, pre-trib, I don't want to go through this. Nope. And I also wish that post-millennialism was true because it just teaches that the world's going to get better and better. So I have, my position is pessimistic on millennialism, which teaches it's just going to get worse and get really bad and you better run for the hills. And that's my position. Uh-huh. That's depressing.

That's why I call it depressed-catology, what I teach. Uh-huh. And rather, my position not be the right one. But, you know, so it's a toughie.

It looks like these two groups for a thousand years, maybe one is down here on earth and one is reigning a thousand years with Christ. I think that's a possibility. That might fit in on the post-mill a little bit more.

It might also fit into the pre-mill position. I have to look at that to think about that. That's why I really haven't gotten too much into all of it because I see very quickly that... We ain't going to be here anyway.

What's that? We ain't going to be here anyway. Well, for the thousand years, I guess we will, but... Well, I think we're going through it all.

Yeah. My reasoning is found largely in Matthew 24 as a single place to look. And when it says two men in the field, one is taken, one is left, the context is not the rapture.

The context is that the wicked are taken. We have to go Matthew 24, verse 17 and parallel them, and when they do, their eyes bug open. They go, oh, my goodness, it is not about the rapture.

The rapture occurs, it's just different verses, but those verses are not about the rapture. And that I would gladly publicly debate in a loving, patient way and say, let's just look at the context and see. And every time I've done that with people, almost every single time I should say, they've been convinced that I'm right.

There's been a few, what I would call, obstreperous, recalcitrant people who don't want to give in, but I just say, hey, that's what it says. It's so critical. Do you believe in the pre-trip?

Post-trip, I'm a post-tremor. Oh, you are, huh? You know, I always was pre-trip because of the fact that the Church isn't mentioned after chapter 3. Yes, it is. Oh, it is, huh?

Yeah, it's generally considered the 24 elders later on. Or maybe I've got to read this again. Yeah, you should. Okay? Okay, brother, God bless, there's a break. All right, thank you, bye.

All right. Okay, hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back, everyone. All right, let's get on the air with Leon from Utah. Leon, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, Matt, how are you? I'm all right, hanging in there, buddy. What do you got, man? Good. Hey, I just wanted to know your opinion about Rick's dad bore dad.

Yeah, I've read a couple of his books, and I like what he has to say. I'm just not good enough to do it. Okay. I would just like all these verses coming up from the Bible, you know, don't put your trust in certain riches and basically everything on this earth is uncertain, you know what I'm saying?

And then the voice speaks. It's not a sin to be rich. It's just, you know, don't force up the money. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So all these thoughts come flooding. I'm like, huh, I'd just like to know your opinion on that. Yeah, he's got a lot of goods to say. He's got, but I don't know enough to be able to say he's with it or not with it. I know he's very well off.

His wife is very well off. I watch videos and listen to stuff, and I'm so busy working on karma and debating and writing that I don't have time to focus on building money. There's nothing wrong with that. If I had that time, I wish I did so that I could produce more.

For example, if I had more money, I'd get more radio stations, as an example. Absolutely. That's a great idea. Well, I've been thinking of it. I brought that up, but we want to expand, and the only way to do that is to get donations. That's it. That's how it is.

And in this economy, it's getting worse and worse. And if people were to use this as an opportunity to plug, but if they were to sign up with a recurring donation, if they wanted it for the radio, they could just say, hey, this is for the radio. They could just email us another thing and say, I'm so-and-so, did this, and donation, it's for radio. If it's a recurring donation, we can then commit to other venues.

If it's a one-time, we appreciate it, but we can't make a budget out of it, even though one-times are really good. Absolutely. Wow.

And it takes a lot of money. Absolutely. Yeah.

Okay. Well, I like his ideas, but I just want to get caught in that trap of money. Look, I have a friend who is very well off, and he's a millionaire, and we've known each other for years and years, and his purpose is to provide for his family, to provide for ministry.

Absolutely. And he says, look, Matt, I want to get more and do more so I can help support Karm more. Let me tell you, if it wasn't for that guy, if it wasn't for that guy, we would not have half the reach of what we do. So one person can make a difference, but he doesn't have endless finances, and he has to work a lot, and things happen, and he's under attack too, and so we need a broad-based support spectrum of people who just do $5 a month.

If we had 1,000 people, that's it, just 1,000 people who did $5 a month, we could then get, it's not much, and we could then get another radio station. Wow. I just think of how almighty God is. That's nothing for him. Nothing.

Yeah. So what we need, in fact, you've got me thinking because we need volunteers. We need help. We're at a place with a ministry where we can't really progress any further because I'm tapped out in my time, and we have some volunteers, and they're tapped out too, and we just need more help. So we need people who are willing to do assignments and research things and report to me about various things and join us in our Friday meetings that we have, if they're able, and realize that it may come under spiritual attack and stuff like that.

We're developing a list, and we just need help. For example, we would love to have help with someone who can get advertising for us so that we can get advertising on the site. I have to. Literally, I'm rewriting a book, and then I listen to people in debates, then I modify outlines while I'm working on another article, and then I have to go through e-mails, and then I e-mail somebody today about advertising so you can see I had so many oars in the water here. So I just need people to, we need help.

It's a lot of work here. In fact, Laura and Charlie should call the show and talk about how they volunteer and what they do and how much help we need and how mentally challenged I am. They would verify that for sure, that's for sure. And Joanne, too. I'm sorry, what? Absolutely. I said just absolutely. It seems like the harvest is there. We need labor.

Well, get this. Since you're bringing this up, we've had over 150 million people visit the site. We're on radio stations. Our e-mail goes out to, I don't even know how many people, maybe one of them could type it in. I think it's 10, 20, 30, 40,000.

It used to be 60, 70. We cleaned it out because a lot of dead e-mails. But we have guys in, we have a guy in Nigeria, a guy in Malawi, two countries in Africa, a guy in Brazil, a guy in Turkey, a guy in Colombia. We have a full-time guy in, another full-time guy in Salt Lake City. And then there's what I do, and we're reaching out. We are reaching out.

We are missionaries to the Internet. Absolutely. So I tell people $5 a month, it's not a whole bunch. I'm not complaining. It's just that's not a whole bunch.

It's doable. And what happens is that goes into the broad bowl of which we draw the funds out of that we support the missionaries all over the world. We've got guys who are doing Spanish work, and they're reaching out all over the world. Well, Carlos.

I need to get Carlos on the air sometime he can talk. And he does stuff. He's got schools going. He's in contact with the government down there in Colombia, getting college going.

And we're supporting him. And then we have a guy in Brazil, and his outreach isn't as much, but he's doing a lot of work with the youth. And the Brazilian, the Portuguese website, so he's got a lot of people all over the world who are contacting him, and he's answering questions. He's doing videos on SDA and Jehovah's Witnesses in the Portuguese. Wow. And so we've got a guy we're supporting to go through graduate school, through seminary, and he's in Turkey.

He speaks Russian, Turkish, and English fluently. And when he's graduated, we're going to get him to do websites in those languages. I mean, it is great, but we just need, you know, we need support, okay? That's what it is.

It kind of provides. But we want to go so much more and do so much more. That's what we want to do. Absolutely. That's right.

We just need the body of Christ to step up and say, hey, I want to help out a little bit, you know, and pray. Absolutely. Yes.

Absolutely. I can hear those sermons, you know, that God's speaking through me. He's like, you know, ask him. Ask him. You need something to do. Ask the pastor. Don't give you something to do. We'll lose a problem with that. If I ask him, he'll actually give me something to do.

Ask the police. That's right. Well, this is a way people can do something without really doing anything. You know, they're safe.

Five dollars a month, ten dollars a month, fifteen, twenty. And they know that it's going in, and I'm not going to call all of them. I can't. But I do try and call people every now and then and say, hey, just thanks. In fact, I called a guy a couple days ago on Saturday night, actually, and said, hey, I want to just say thanks for supporting us.

And we talked for twenty minutes, and I've done that many times. I need to do it more often and just tell people we appreciate it. Because we do. We really do.

They've enabled me to be able to work full time in this for about seventeen years now. Praise God. Praise God. Wow. That's right. That's amazing.

Thank you, Lord. Wow. Now, what's interesting is that there's a lot of... millions, millions have seen this site. Guess how many people have come back to this site? See, we have new visitors. It's a hundred and fifty million. Now, what's called a bounce rate is when someone comes in, they see, they go, oh, I don't like this.

It's not what I was thinking. They leave. So we have the average bounce rate of other websites. But what the people come back and stay, almost eighty-one million people.

If come to the site and come back It's a mess it is immense Imagine 81 million mm-hmm five dollars That's right we we're averaging around 7,000 visitors a day Returning to the website looking and spending time on it Looking and reading articles so on average about 7,000 a day 7,000 a day So You know it's praise God look what he can do look what he can do with a broken vessel Who's got Asperger's and is basically a doofus who looks like you know bag of? Logs rolling down a you know a hill God's good Right and you can do great things all right Leon all right back up less, okay? Hey folks there you go three open lines going to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Be right back after these messages It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Here's Matt slick Everybody welcome back to the show three open lines eight seven seven two Two zero seven two two seven six Janet from Raleigh, North Carolina welcome here on the air Thank you, I have two questions to ask one. It's just very easy brief question It's just are you guys going to be doing any kind of broadcasting on your Israel trip? We can't well we could technically, but it's like almost two o'clock in the morning there right now so it's oh Okay, okay, so it's probably not going to happen so okay It's just been kind of fun to give you guys while you're on your trip It'd be fun. I'll be doing video and and I'll probably have a friend of mine You know I'll do a microphone as actually a good reminder, and I bring it I can do hey here I'm in Israel right now, and that's what we're looking at right now and etcetera etcetera. Oh those up on the web later.

Oh Oh, that'd be nice. Yeah, that's good night, and then the second question. I have is a lady club called last week and she was asking about head covering and You basically told her that That was cultural or whatever. It's not it doesn't apply to today That sounds like you would yeah, I went to the context and showed or tried to show anyway, but yeah Okay, so I asked that question because it made me think about Women and the roles that they play in the church, and how it was back then Why is that not a cultural situation as just like the head covering? Because Paul Equates the issue of women not being in authority over men in the church He relates it to the created order he says I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority Over a man, but remain silent for Adam was first created So he ties you into the created order therefore it cannot be cultural. Oh Because he he he tied this to Adam. Yep, because Adam was oh so he ties it flat out straight into that and Once again, I offer anybody who wants to debate me publicly go out to a church You want to debate a topic does the Bible support or teach the support the idea of women pastors and elders?

I'd be glad to have a formal debate on that and I've been doing this for I don't know 15 years asking this and I get no no takers no takers. Yeah, because what I thought I could stop I thought I could stop you today, but I guess Stumped I I certainly get stumped trying to figure out my wife. I get stumped a lot that way you know I hope she wasn't hearing that. I get in trouble, but uh-oh uh-oh uh-oh That's all I wanted.

I just wanted to know about that. I was just like oh, I was curious So you answer my questions, but it's good. All right. Well, God bless you. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Have a good day You too. Bye. Bye. Okay All right. Let's get on the air with Brian from California Brian.

Welcome. You're on the air Hey, Matt, how's it going? Oh, it's going hanging in there doing radio.

What's up? Hey, I had a quick question and your previous caller. I I enjoyed that answer and Yeah, that is a huge problem And it's a problem in Sacramento area. Yeah What do you mean women pastors and elders? Yeah, and being able to Articulate that response in such a way to where it kind of it's kind of offensive that it they take it You know if they can't handle the heat, you know, they're offended by it Yeah, I just think it's such a crybaby response.

I do. I'm sorry It's the mean part of me coming out they find offensive, you know, I just want to say look I don't care What does the Bible say don't submit it to your feelings and your offensive and you know, but you know what? I will do I will I'll be glad to do this.

I'd be glad to Host a mini seminar. We can run a test seminar because we want to do this anyway and I can teach on women pastors and elders and why it's not biblical and Why and then I can just take a bunch of questions and I can feed the questions And I can do this on patreon or something like that if people are interested to learn how to articulate the issues That would sound really beneficial Yeah, because men Need to stand up and say to the ladies. That's not your position.

It's not for you and the men who don't Shame on you shame I agree. That's right. Yeah, okay, and I had this there's a This preacher. I remember his name escaped me right now, but he always used to say I'm not sorry that you're offended I'm sorry that you have to be offended Yeah, it's a it's uh, you know One of the one things I'll say is is I'm not here to offend you But if the truth offends you that's between you and God And that's it. But in a world where everybody's offended by everything and then people take it seriously I Don't I don't get it You know, you're offended I've talked to people on the web and in debate. Oh you offended me Yeah, so now what I've asked, you know, now, what are we doing? Yeah, so you're offended Well, I'm offended when you use the Lord's name in vain So what are you willing to do tell you not to do it?

Is that what you want? What do you say? What are you getting it would offense offensive? But how are you offended for somebody else? Cuz sometimes they'll get offended for somebody else I'll say something you shouldn't say that about that other person. What are you the other person?

No Then where do you got no dog in this fight? What are you talking about? Well, I'm offended for the other person what? What what is wrong with people?

That's another thing. Okay, you got me going here. I was brought up to not depend on others and You know, I moved 26 times before I was 12 years old 12 different elementary schools.

This is all true and I learned to be self-sufficient and So early on people would say mean things about me and people say oh my goodness. Did you hear what I said about you? uh yeah, so You know, what am I gonna do?

I can go home and cry. What am I supposed to do? My friends ago doesn't bother you. Why should it bother me? Well, so what go do what don't you got to do?

I hear so many people. Oh They were mean to me on Facebook I'm laughing so Grow up And move on it's like I just can't believe it Leave your diapers at home. Leave your apron strings at home people offend you deal with it You know if you don't like something just deal with it Respond intelligently and lovingly and stop being led around it by by everybody else was offended by everything. It's such a It's such a weakling attitude to have When they submit to the ridicule of somebody else as though it were somehow matters. I Don't get it Anyway, that's just me, you know, I got problems. They'll say which is true. See No, wait a minute.

Guess what? I don't care Next, you know, so what? Anyway, sorry Go ahead. Go ahead. No worries.

I appreciate your opinion. Definitely So my main thrust with calling I come from a dispensational background the seminary that I did online was basically a Presbyterian kind of case the Covenant theologian so Me and my buddies went to a children's progress conference before the pattern your brother or control You know and we asked him about New Covenant Well, my brother Kelly said yes them about New Covenant theology and if you could explain it a little bit and we just didn't get a really good answer So I was wondering if since we were talking about eschatology previously how these different kind of perspective way of categorizing the scripture The train of thought if you will how they kind of differentiate between each other and how it would lead into your view of Well That's a good question. And I hate to tell you that I've not studied New Covenant theology very much at all. I remember getting into it a little bit and Looking at it and then quickly finding out that it is varied and that people have all kinds of issues That they interpret a little bit differently And I'm not saying we can't know things But Here's something that I found was a bit of a surprise what I wanted to do I'm doing it right now again is I went to the Bible and I typed in New Covenant in the New Testament I know that in the Old Testament that a New Covenant it was promised by God So I started researching it and I'm telling you what I did and why it led me to a bit of confusion When I read the scriptures and it which means there's something I'm missing. I just need to do a bigger study and So it says in Saint Corinthians 3 6 that he made us adequate as servants of a New Covenant Not a letter of the law and then in Hebrews 8 8 8 God is saying through the writer behold days are coming says the Lord would I will affect a New Covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah when I read that I'm going wait a minute Because that is a specific prophecy about the nation of Israel Yeah, I'm gonna So I'm looking at it thinking is the New Covenant just asking the questions is the New Covenant Only with Israel. I'm not saying it is nothing.

It isn't It's just a question. So I started looking and then because the answer basically is yes mostly but not always And so in Hebrews 8 13 when he said a New Covenant, he's first made the first obsolete Well, then what's the Old Covenant the Old Covenant has to do with the Old Testament stuff? Well, Jesus in Hebrews 9 15 is the mediator of a New Covenant And also when he was 12 24. Well, what got me was when I was looking at the New Covenant It specifically said for Israel and it says now that was in Hebrews 8 8 And I'll go I'll read 9 and 10 I'll read actually 8 9 and 10 behold days are coming says the Lord when I'll affect a New Covenant with the house of Israel With the house of Judah would not like the Covenant which I made with her father's On the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt They did not continue in my covenant and I did not take care of them And I did not care for them says the Lord for this is the covenant.

I will make with the house of Israel After those days as the Lord I will put my laws in their minds I'll write them on their hearts and I'll be their God and they shall be my people So I'm reading this going Okay, wait a minute. Is that for Gentiles? And that's just the question that it brought to me so it seems to be For Israel the New Covenant is for Israel Then we get into questions. Are we Gentiles in the New Covenant? And I would say yes because we are by proximity true Gentiles and I would say yes because we are by proximity true Jews by faith I think what the writer of Hebrews is doing is addressing the specific issue of the Jews the Hebrews And talking about how God had promised a new covenant with them. I don't believe it's restrictive only to them And there's other reasons for that, but you see you see now I'm I'm going okay.

Not exactly sure Makes sense. Yeah Yeah, that's why I have to study it a lot more And and that's okay to say they're not sure and and stuff which I'm saying more frequently now with as I'm learning more things Sure, you know anyway, what do you think of that? I I think it was a good answer and it's uh, pretty much where I I've I've fell in line with oh Okay Well, I remember seeing something the new covenant, uh, we are in it and I remember seeing something for that Okay, I got a look at that and then Another problem is if we're at the new covenants just for Israel Then what are we the gentiles under and that would be a problem and it can't be that simple So there's just more to study and i've just uh, I haven't done it enough. Okay rudder. We gotta go All right, ma'am. Thanks so much call back tomorrow brian Hey folks, may the lord bless you. I hope you had a great time and may the lord just give you a good evening And by his grace, we're back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to them. God bless Bye another program powered by the truth network