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What is your addiction? And we're asking that question all hour long on the show today. Okay, Truth Talk Live. I'm Stu Epperson and we have a special guest today on Truth Talk Live.

Brother Jim Quigley. There's not a soul out there whose life has not been affected by addiction. And Jim, that's true in your own experience.

In my experience, yes, that's true. So Jim is our special guest today and we have a whole hour here dealing with something that has infected a lot of people. You stood in front of the New Cane Society Friday, Jim, and you basically said to them, anyone been affected? You did a little survey of the room.

What happened? Put that right on your chin. Put that mic right on your chin. I asked the group to raise their hands. Anybody that has been personally touched or knows somebody that has been personally touched by addiction and there wasn't a hand down, everybody in the room raised their hand. And it makes sense because today addiction is the leading cause of death for people 18 to 45. A lot of people for some reason don't seem to understand that but 20 years ago about 40,000 people were dying a year from substance abuse and today that number is over 300,000.

Wow. Substance abuse, opioids, people get addicted to things. What's the most common addiction out there? Yeah, it's interesting that number, when I say over 300,000, for some reason our society separates alcohol deaths from drug deaths.

I personally think it's all very closely related so I combine them. But yeah, right now everybody understands Fentanyl. There's a drug called Tranq now that is taking over from Fentanyl which is a Tranquilizer, horse Tranquilizer and you can watch videos right now of people in King'sington Street in Philadelphia and they're just walking around like zombies.

I saw that drug actually on a National Geographic program almost 10 years ago. People in Puerto Rico were doing that Tranq and it's now come up here and it's just devastating what it's doing to people. So if you're listening right now, you or someone you know or someone you love is they've been lying to you. They've been struggling and there's been enabling going on.

That happens a lot, doesn't it? If you've got enough money and you have enough time and you've got someone that's hooked on something, they're not going to say, I'm struggling with an addiction. We're not going to call in to a radio show like this and say, hey, I'm struggling with an addiction.

Why don't we admit it and how is this one of the darkest, most deceptive areas in all of the world today? You're touching on such a great point. I've been in the world of addiction recovery for 14 years now. I spent a third of my personal life in active addiction and the biggest struggle that I have a lot of times is very well-meaning, very motivated loved ones trying to, in quotation marks, keep save or keep their loved one from dying.

I understand that that's a good motivation. The child says, I'm going to die. Hey, mom and dad, if you don't give me this money, I'm not going to make it.

They're going to use that money to feed their addiction, whatever cocktail they're taking, whatever drugs they're on, whatever they're going to do, whatever they're hooked on. And the mom and dad are like, well, I got to help my kid. No one else is involved. They're not talking to someone like you. And sometimes it is a parent willing to part with their kid, as hard as that sounds, because they're going to die anyway.

Yeah. So that's what I try to challenge people with is the double-sided to the coin, because I've actually talked to the parents that you don't even necessarily have to give them money so they can use that money to go spin on a drug. All you have to do is provide enough resources for their life so where they don't have to get help. They don't have to go somewhere. They have an option to, someone's paying their cell phone bill, someone's feeding them, giving them shelter, all of those things. And they're able to, whatever money they can scrap together, they can go and blow it on their addiction. So whether your addiction has led you to hold a sign up by the side of the road, or whether you literally are in the ministry and you're stuck on something, you're hooked, you can't break it, you can't, you know, there's something, there's help. There's hope, right, Jim? There is. This is why we're on the radio today talking about this, right?

Absolutely. I represent a, what I would say, a kind of a smaller type of program. We're long-term. We're a one-year commitment to come to Freedom Farm Ministries in Boone.

Boone, North Carolina, up in the mountains. That's right. Yep. And so that sometimes is a little bit too intrusive for some people spending a year. I do have friends all across the country that have different lengths of stay. But the one thing that we, all of the people that I associate with, is we have a common philosophy when it comes to dealing with addiction. And whereas the world of rehab out there right now is trying to really give therapy, you'd say, to the medical side of addiction.

Yeah, so there's all kinds of options. We're going to deep dive into it when we come back from this break. We're here a little bit on your testimony. Okay. You went as a client, a client is struggling.

A family member loved you enough to send you away, and you now are running the place. More with Jim Quigley, Freedom Farms, and your addiction, and how we can encourage you today on Truth Talk Live. I'm Stu Everson. We'll be right back after this quick break.

Hang on. What is your addiction? What are you addicted to? And what are you doing about it? What about how has and how have addictions affected you?

It could be a sister, a brother, a family member, someone you love. They're stuck. What do you do to help them? You're like, I'm not a counselor. Yet you keep giving them money.

You keep giving them medicine. In fact, Jim Quigley, the government is subsidizing addictions now. And you just mentioned it off the air.

We're going to talk about that. Let me give a shout out to Victoria, a new listener to Truth Talk Live. Just met her carrying her young sweet little girl outside of a shopping area, and she said she'd turn on Christian Radio. Truth Networks are giving a shout out to Victoria, and also the awesome family I just met at the coffee shop at Buy Good Coffee. Hello, and thank you for listening to the Truth Network. So many listeners coming online every day, and today we are offering hope and healing in a world fraught with addictions. And you could argue, Jim, that we're all addicted to something, right?

Yeah, I could argue that, absolutely. I think that's pretty a biblical thing, that we are people of desires. In 1 John it says that, you know, there's a love for the world, and that could be found in the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, or the pride of life. And those things become ruling desires, which leads to sin.

And the Bible describes this as being slaves to sin and in bondage to it, and it tells us that we need to be freed from that and become slaves of Christ. And, you know, to finish right before we went to break, you know, saying that most of the addiction world out there right now, they're trying to treat, you know, the outer shell of a person, whereas, you know, I believe that we need to get to the heart of the matter. And, you know, Jesus is the great heart surgeon. Everything he talks about is something to impact our heart, to change our heart, to transform our hearts. So that's where I think the answer to addiction is found, in treating people's hearts.

Yeah, that's so cool. And that's the hope you offer, biblical counseling, is instead of just setting up a clinic and giving out drugs that they're going to be more addicting, more people are addicted to, and more people are stuck on, and instead of just medicating something that there's a clear solution to with repentance, with Scripture, with the Holy Spirit's power to set the captives free. But you got to be willing to take that step, Jim. And you were one of those. You were stuck.

You were at a dead end. And you had fooled everyone in your life. Family members, a pastor. You lived in a pastor's house. You were supposed to be doing work at the church and the parsonage, helping out with the kids and other things. In the meantime, you were feeding your drug addiction.

How powerful is it that God took that? You ended up at Freedom Farms, and now you're running the place. Yeah, it's kind of a, it's obviously my story, kind of crazy story.

But, you know, I tell people just to briefly understand it. My addiction story is like in two main acts. The first act, 13 to 24, progressive drug use, started off drinking, smoking, marijuana, things like that, graduated into IV drug use. I had a set of experiences that happened when I was 24, which got me into secular recovery. And it also got me into church. And I had these two worlds that were, that I was dipping in.

And, you know, this was my experience and in my own mind, so I'm not saying this would be everybody's experience. But my church world was my church world. And the people at church didn't really understand real struggle in life because they hadn't experienced addiction.

And then my recovery world was my recovery world. But these people over here that I associated with didn't know the true God. Most of them didn't know the true God.

So I was elevating myself in both groups to make, if that makes any sense. And something hit the wall. You had a family member that wasn't even a believer. It's like, Jim, you got to get help and I will pay for you to go somewhere.

And she found it was either Boone or somewhere out West, right? Well, that was, so that was, in act one, my arrogance, after six years of sobriety, I relapsed and I fell for about five years. And then at the end of that five years, what you were just talking about, nobody could figure out what to do with me. And that's when people that cared about you the most, you know, I'm thinking about my mother, especially, they had to practice what was called tough love. They had to finally tell me that they weren't going to continue to provide resources for my life to continue to go in the direction it was going, that I was going to be left up to my own self unless I wanted to get help. And yeah, then two weeks after overdosing at my pastor's house and being found by his children, two weeks after that episode, I had a atheist cousin of mine who may even be, I mean, I would doubt they'd be listening to truth. You never know.

They live in Charlotte. And she called me up and said, hey, let's get you out of Florida to a long-term facility. And anything was better than what I was doing. Well, as the Lord used an atheist family member to, she recognized, you got to get help. You're, you know, you, you, you, you've, you've kind of convinced and you've kind of, you've duped all of us, you know, you got some smart family members. I mean, you know, there's some smart people, there's pastors who got me to have a family member, a kid in addiction, that's addicted, that they're completely duped by it.

I mean, you've, you could fool, you could talk the talk, couldn't you, Jim? Absolutely. And that's pretty common with people with addiction. I was explaining to someone just today, if you just think about it for a second, in order to maintain, it was actually your pastor's friend, in order, in order to, in order to maintain an addiction, you have to really know how to read a room and know how to manipulate your environment.

You have to, because it's very expensive to continue on with an addiction. So you have to get as much resources out of every individual. That means you have to know what buttons to push for each individual person.

Cause everybody's different. You know, some people respond to anger or, you know, if you're, if you're forceful with them, some people, if you whip up some tears and you start crying, then, you know, that'll get some resources out of them. And so people that struggle with addiction are usually pretty, pretty adapted to that type of environment and very resourceful, very resourceful.

And that's how kind of how you had, had, had coped. And that's how so many, everyone listening out there, someone's got a connection to addictions. I'm going to open up the phone lines and I've never done this before in the history of the program. If you have an addiction and you want to call a show, you don't have to use your real name.

The number is 86634 truth, 86634 87884 calling with your addiction. I mean, you deal with the whole gamut, right? You got heroin, you got alcohol, you got porn, you got Kiki. I mean, what are some other things? I mean, you got meth, you got all kinds of drugs. Yeah.

Weed, you got the whole gamut. Prob primarily substance abuse. I do get guys that come with some sexual addictions that, that, uh, and again, if you're, if you're trying to minister to people's hearts, you know, it's the same philosophy as, uh, as dealing with someone that has a substance abuse issue. And at some point the shift in the mind, the heart, it identifies this from the addiction category to the idolatry category. Exactly.

Exactly. And that's where you get deeper at freedom farms, your addiction recovery farm in Boone, North Carolina, the beautiful mountains, a one-year program that you send this special family member to, they're going to get loved. What happens when you show up there? When you show up to freedom farm, you start your, you start your one-year journey. You're welcomed in by welcome arms. And, you know, we don't, we don't require anybody to pass a drug test to come into our program.

So, um, so, you know, sometimes people are quite sick for first couple of years. Okay. Wow. More on addiction, addiction recovery. What does the Bible say? What, what kind of healing and hope does God offer? This is a show of hope. Truth Talk Live. I'm Stu Epperson. We have a man who is a hope dealer on the air with us right now. Jim Quigley of Freedom Farms. We'll give his information more. We'll get back more of his testimony and more of your calls at 866-344-TRUTH. What's your addiction and how have you impacted by someone else's and how can we solve it?

Speaking of addictions, one of my addictions is a food addiction and that, and honestly, and Dr. Brown wrote a great book on that. The show that leads into ours on Truth Talk Live. I'm Stu Epperson. With me is Jim Quigley, Freedom Farms.

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You don't have to use your name. And Jim, we'll talk to people on the air. We'll point them in the right direction. We'll point them up, first of all, and then to an actual facility they can go to for a year and get total healing.

And if they're willing, that's another tricky part. And our mutual friend, a pastor who reached out to you, he's got a brother who's just stuck and we can't even find him. And he's duped the family. He's stolen from the family. They're heartbroken. We get together.

We pray hard. I'm friends with this whole family. And he reached out to you because we can get this guy up to your farm.

Everything would change because he'd at least be exposed to the word of God to people that love him. They're saying, man, look, come on, you're not alone. And that's the other thing.

The enemy wants to isolate you to think you're the only one struggling with that addiction. Yeah. Right, Jim.

How is that the case? That's the real thing, isn't it? It's absolutely.

And it's funny, it kind of segues from the vinetastic. Here is like a health alternative, right? And addiction today is such a driven industry, recovery industry is such a driven industry that people are basically understand that or are convinced that that is the only way. But, you know, there's I wish people would say that, hey, look, there's other ways. There's other alternatives.

Yeah, besides more drugs, besides medicating. Right. And this, by the way, is this is a healthy it's a healthy thing. But if you're still eating like garbage and not taking care of your health. Right.

A few items, you know, or whatever, no matter how strong the vitamins are, that's not going to counter out the sugar drinks and all that. Oh, by the way, shout out to my buddy Jay, who started that little help start that little group you met at on Friday where you spoke new Canaan. OK. He's over the pond in London and UK listening on the truth app. Is it really? Yeah. So make sure everyone downloads the truth app.

Your smartphone will not only get smarter, but you can listen on the other side of the of the world over the pond within six hours. He's about to go to bed. You know, it's like 10 or he's committed to listen to you because he went there Friday to hear you.

OK. But, you know, him and his team helped set that up. And you blessed a lot of guys. I mean, there's a lot you go around the room. What happened? I mean, this is you did a little preliminary thing. You thought maybe one or two hands ago.

What happened? Yeah. The whole room was raising their hand when I asked who had been touched by addiction. Wow. And then that's that's just consistent across the country. I don't know how many times I you know, like the the the willingness. There's a there's not just someone that just isn't willing. There's the added hopelessness that they have tried.

Right. They have gone to these other programs. They've been put on the medications.

They have gone to the therapists and they've been given, you know, one one type of therapy and it's all failed them. And so they've lost any hope of change. So but there is hope.

There is hope. Wow. Jesus has been in the same business since since he left this earth where he's making dead lives new. Yeah. He's waking people up. He's he's giving people life.

This is transformation. This is the gospel. This is why we do truth. Talk live. Call in.

We're not asking for a show of hands. We're asking you to call and talk about your addiction and how we can pray for you and encourage you. We got brother Jim here who went from being addicted and living in a lifestyle of double life to being a candidate and a client of Freedom Farms. And now he's running the show up there. And God's using him to help intake others and give them counseling. He's got a whole biblical. It's a biblical counseling addiction healing ministry.

And he's on truth talk live right now. The number is 866-348-7884. Call in with your addiction. Call in with your struggle. Call in with your testimony of how his addiction impacted your family. We want to hear some real testimonies there. Change the names.

Anything you want. The identity. We're not trying to out anybody, but we're trying to be real here because at the end of the day we all struggle, right Jim? Like we're all weak.

We're all made of clay, like Paul says in 2 Corinthians 4, vessels of clay, jars of clay, whole Christian bands started out of that title, jars of clay. We're going to go to the phone lines. I'm going to give the number again with your addiction or how addiction has impacted you. Maybe you've had to bury a family member. Like that family you shared with me on Friday. I mean we went next door to Biscaville after you spoke at New Canaan on Friday and you shared about a family that this little guy just left the program early, got stuck again. Before you get him back, you were sent to bring him back.

Lost his life. Yeah, today it's devastating today that addiction, drugs are almost, it's like a game of Russian roulette nowadays. I see it time and time again. People will get some clean time. They'll be off and then that little temptation will come in. It'll seep in and they figure, hey, you know what?

I could get away with it this weekend. I could just, I'm just going to do one pill and they don't realize that they're taking some pill. They don't know what's in it and the potency today of some of these drugs will just kill you immediately. Like fentanyl, which is literally killing people all over the place. But the fact that they're in that position, the enemy is always like, just start, just try it, you know.

86634 truth. Maybe you have an addiction recovery testimony where Jesus has healed you from something. The family member is struggling.

Alcohol is a big one. You like to whine too much. How do you stop? Can't stop.

86634 87884. You are not alone. There is hope, there's healing. Let's go to Chris, a North Carolina caller. Chris, you're on Truth Talk Live with Stu and our special guest from Freedom Farms, Jim Quigley. Go ahead, Chris.

Hey, Stu. Yeah, I just heard you guys talking about addiction and wanted to call in and share a little bit about what I went through personally. When I was 21, I realized I was, you know, an alcoholic and waking up and going to bed with a drink in my hand. And then I got really sick and had to get a pacemaker and all kinds of things went crazy.

And I couldn't do anything I was doing anymore and felt completely empty. And that's when the Lord kind of just, he just, I found him and he found me and it just collided. And it saved my life.

Praise God. The addiction to alcohol brought on a lot of illness, but in the end it brought so much healing. And I remained sober for a while.

I got married. I fell back into alcoholism. And it started just tearing my life apart all over again in a brand new way. And I struggled to find reconciliation with who I was as a believer and who I was as a sinful addict.

And it just ripped me apart. Yeah. What a testimony.

Yeah. I just had to share that. I overcome it again. Me and my wife had a joke.

I told her that it was like trying to kill a brontosaurus with a BB gun. And after a year of sobriety, I brought home a statue of a brontosaurus because I was just so honored to bring sobriety back into my family. And I just wanted to share with everyone that even in the worst situation, God is working. Absolutely. And in our sinfulness, he's using everything to bring about his perfect will and his glory.

Absolutely. And I just want to offer hope because no matter where you are, there is hope and there is light in the darkness if you hold on. Chris is offering hope. He's dealing hope. We're going to deal with some more hope when we come back on Truth Talk Live. Chris, thank you for your call.

We'll take some more calls after this. What's your addiction testimony? How can we encourage you today with hope and healing on Truth Talk Live? More coming up.

Hope and healing for your addiction or the addiction of your family member. Someone is stuck. There is hope. Listen, what do I say to that person holding a sign? I know they're doping and I know they're hooking up and I know they're not.

Well, you're not supposed to judge people. Well, they're stuck. There's a reason they're holding that sign. Something has led them to that. Something has led them to that addiction. Or they might just be a family member that just blend in. Jim, it's easy to blend in, is it?

Jim, quickly? freedomfarmministries.org. Boone, North Carolina, you help people out of addictions.

They come to you. But this is the greatest posing thing. Because we all struggle. But it can get farther and farther, deeper and deeper to the point where you're stuck to the point where you could die. Yeah. Yeah. Just like the testimony we just heard from Chris.

You know, he had a pacemaker put in at a very young age. I mean, that's how destructive substances can be, alcohol, drugs. And, you know, it's unfortunate.

Well, I mean, it's just what it is, you know. Someone that maybe has a sin of like, you know, anger where they're lashing out or whatnot, you know. They could have, you know, a period of a few months where they are able to practice self-control and that doesn't manifest. But then they kind of lose their cool after a few months.

Something sets them off and they get angry. That doesn't usually end up in a pacemaker needing to be put in or a hospital visit or something like that, right? Which is, you know, that's what comes along with the addiction, you know. Yeah. So, but unless some pretty radical steps are taken, that person could get stuck and could ultimately die. And thank God Chris found help in the Lord.

Yeah. And, you know, waking up with alcohol, going to sleep with it, with a bottle in his hand, and he just shared on this national, God bless him for sharing and blessing a whole lot of people. If you want to share your addiction, you don't even have to use your first name or you change your name. If you want to share how addiction has impacted you and your family in the struggle, or if you want to share a testimony about how the power of God has broken those chains in your life, you can call us right now. Hit toll-free 866-348-7884. 866-34-TRUTH. And our final segment with Jim Quigley, FreedomFarmMinistries.org.

A wonderful addiction recovery facility in Boone, North Carolina. Let's go to Will, a caller from Ohio. We've got a line open at 866-348-7884. If you'd like to phone in and share a testimony or a struggle you're having or how this has impacted your family or even how God's brought about victory and deliverance in your life through ministries like Freedom Farm Ministries.

Will, you're on Truth Talk Live with Stu. Go ahead. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Can you hear me?

I can. Okay, wonderful. First of all, thanks for broadcasting on air. I do appreciate it. I value the show. Thank you for that.

Thank you. But I have a testimony, and I'll keep it brief as I can, but from a young child at now 35 up until a few years ago, I dealt with addiction so far as drugs, alcohol, lust, sex, any kind of addiction, lifestyle. And my mom was also an addict, and she had died at the age of when I was 17 to addiction.

No dad. So I spent my whole life running around acting insane, and actually I was insane. And it wasn't until, I mean, it was a rough lifestyle. It was really tough.

Absolutely. But until around 30 years old, 32, you know, I was to the point of insanity so far gone. I had left my kids, abandoned them, three kids, three moms, crazy lifestyle background. I was going insane, and I was insane until God had touched me and said, let me show you who my son is, Jesus.

And at those moments, and in those moments, I go from being insane and isolated and didn't want anybody around, couldn't function around people. I rotted my teeth out of my mouth, so I was so dysfunctional. And my teeth are still bad, but Jesus does miracles, so I'm in better shape. So I was out of my mind and insane, and he gently, more gentle out of all the therapy and counseling in my life that I've gone through often, gently started to pull apart my character and help me understand what it was like to be a person, to be human, to be lovable, to love, to care, to show compassion, how to feel my emotions, how to deal with my emotions. And all he did was said, you don't need to look at anybody else, just look at my son, only compare yourself to him, no one else. And since he is the perfect son of God, you have no shame when you fall short, and you could just strive and strive, and that's the person you want to be like. So it's been an interesting life, but thanks to Jesus, thanks to the Father, I have been changed from the inside out. Amen, that's so encouraging. Yeah. Were there people along the way, Will, that God just used as kind of like prophets in your life and encouragers and counselors and exhorters in your life, church, pastor, friends, family members, that really made a difference even though you may not have wanted to hear what they were saying?

Yeah, that's an excellent question. Yeah, there was absolutely people at a young age, around 14, I went into foster care, and I got put with a Christian family, because I was a terrible youth, in and out of jail, you know, drinking and drugging at a young age. And so there was them that was put into my life, and I caught tidbits from, you know, different recovery programs in my life, but I was so stubborn and so calloused that I was unwilling or unable to allow any of it to seep into me. I was lost, I only knew how to be on my own, and what I was taught growing up was so dysfunctional, I didn't know what I was doing. But yes, there were people that tried to help me and guide me and point me, and at those times I was just unable and unwilling to listen, because I thought I knew how I was supposed to live, even though I was so far off. You know, it's wonderful.

It's so common. I picked up what you said, that until you started looking to Jesus as the standard for life, you couldn't find freedom, because that's what we do, essentially, in addiction. We can maintain the addiction for a long time, as long as we can find people that we're at least a little bit better than, right? But then eventually addiction takes away everything to where you feel like nothing, and then when you realize the game you've been playing in your head, you realize there's only one perfect standard, and everybody falls short. He's a great equalizer in that sense, isn't he? Everybody's on the same playing field when it comes to comparing themselves against Jesus, and once you understand that you've been accepted as his son, then freedom begins.

Yes, thank you. I take John 1.5 so very personal. John 1.1-5 at that, but John 1.5, where it says, "...and the darkness has not overcome him." Or another translation, "...the darkness comprehends him not." When you're in a lifestyle that you don't even know you're in, because it seems so normal, and it's what is normal, and then you get pulled out of it, and you just... you are everything.

You are hopeless. You're lost, and you're confused, but he places his hand on you, and gives you his son, and gives me Jesus, and gives me that personal sacrifice that he made. It pulls me out of a darkness I never knew I was in, never would have been able to get out if it weren't for him. Praise God. Wow, thank you for calling, and you've blessed a whole lot of people, Will. God bless you. Thank you for your call, and for just encouraging us today on the program.

Wow, that's just amazing. Jim, let me ask you this question. What would you say to so many people out there who have someone close to them they love? They are stuck. They're stuck in an addiction, and they don't even know what to do, and they keep getting hoodwinked by them. They keep, you know, oh, they're better now. I gave them the money, and they got that job. But really, they didn't, and they got deeper, deeper.

The fangs and the talons of the enemy got deeper into them. What advice would you give? So I just gave this advice out to some family members in South Carolina that are bringing their son Friday, because they took the advice. And, you know, you sit down your loved one and say, look, I love you more than you probably ever know, but because of your choices, the lifestyle that you're choosing to live, I'm not going to support it anymore. I will support if you want to go get help. I will not support you continuing on, because we don't believe in what you're doing is going to be successful. You have to tell them that.

You love them. You're there to help, but you're not signing up to their program anymore. Say there's other people out there know how to help you. You need their help.

Take them to the experts in intervention. That's right. Like the rescue missions in your local areas, great places for people to get counseling, to get help for that need. But, you know, Freedom Farms, you're one of those get away, right? Just you're out there in the mountains in Boone, North Carolina, and people go and they get there.

What happens? Well, they, yeah, exactly. They're taken out of the environment that was so toxic, and they're put, I mean, who doesn't like to be in the environment of Boone, North Carolina?

It's one of the vacation hotspots of the East Coast, right? So, but yeah, it's nice. You're in a community of like-minded people that are all struggling the same thing.

They're for the same reason. You know, it's a year-long program, so we're involved in one church. It's a great church. They love on us extremely well, and you're able to grow, and we're going to love you as well, and you're able to grow and realize, hey, you know what? I'm not alone here, and there is hope. People like Will and Chris and myself, our lives have been transformed.

And so many that didn't call, I hope you'll go back. This podcast, our awesome producer, Grayson, is going to upload this in a couple hours. Listen to Jim's testimony.

Listen to what you may have missed earlier in the hour. Share this with someone, freedomfarmministries.org. Get it right. Yep, that's it. So in the beauty of the mountains, you go away for a year, and how much is it? This has got to be like $400,000 a year to do this. What is it?

What did you say, roughly? So the year-long, a sponsor would have to either pay $3,000 up front or six payments of $600 each, so that's $3,600 all together. For a whole year.

For a year. And you have gracious donors, and if you would like to support this ministry, you would take it, wouldn't you? Oh, we need it.

We need it, yeah. God bless you. Well, hello to all our friends listening on the new 88.3 FM Spartanburg, Boiling Springs, Gaffney, the new 96.9 FM, Greenville. Thank you to all our listeners and prayer warriors. Pray for Jim Quigley and FreedomFarmMinistries.org. This is the Truth Network.