Deal or No Deal? McCarthy Offers Compromise

Today on Sekulow Deal or No Deal, McCarthy offers compromises. Keeping you informed and engaged. Now more than ever, this is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow.

Welcome to Sekulow. This will be the third day the House of Representatives takes votes on who will become the Speaker of the House. Now, there are some that would like to adjourn, even until next Tuesday, to take more time to try to negotiate that in Kevin McCarthy's camp. You've still got holdouts there of about 20 people. There is some talk that about half of that group might be ready to move on and vote for Kevin McCarthy, so we might learn that in the next half hour or so as the House comes back into session now as we speak.

There's also breaking news. President Biden just announced a new border security policy using Title 42 to expel more illegal immigrants, specifically from Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Venezuela. And if they don't have a U.S. sponsor, 30,000 border crossers a month is what they're trying to do and that Mexico has agreed to take them back, which has remained in Mexico. Yeah, it has remained in Mexico. They're taking the idea of Title 42, not utilizing Title 42, which was a temporary measure.

What's interesting here is, does that end up mooting out the Supreme Court case if they in fact get this passed? Now, as we're on air live, the President's speaking, so we'll have more on that in really just a few minutes. But interesting that he's going to the border as well.

Yes, he is going to go to El Paso on Sunday. So that literally just happened. The President just came out with Vice President Harris and made that comment. The House is just going back into session now. There have been concessions made to the holdout votes of the 20 who have been voting against Kevin McCarthy because there's been a lot of questions about, you know, all 20 don't have the same reasons why. You got like four who say they never want Kevin McCarthy. He could survive if those four were the only no votes.

What he can't survive is if it's five people like that. Then there's a group who wanted changes to the rules committee, changes to a motion to vacate, which is to remove the Speaker of the House. We can go through all that. We come back for the break. We'll take your calls as well at 1-800-684-3110.

Do you think we get a Speaker of the House today and will it be Kevin McCarthy? And we also want to know where you stand on it. I mean, this is the negotiations are ongoing here.

We're going to go through when we come back from the break what the negotiations are focusing on because you have to understand it's the procedural rules primarily, but they have big implications. So we want to take your calls at 1-800-684-3110 like we did the last few days. We had a lot of callers on so we can get diversity of opinion from around the country.

800-684-3110. We want to hear from you as we are going to get into what Kevin McCarthy, you know, we were saying presumptive speaker. I don't think you'd say that right now. Although I think it's this vote that comes up this afternoon. The one that's going on right now will go on shortly. That's going to be a big vote for him.

Yes, if there's been any shift. If the Chip Roy 10 that Chip Roy talks about come over to Kevin McCarthy, that's a big shift. If they don't, that's a big problem for Kevin McCarthy. Yeah, either that group of 20 starts to crumble or they don't. Now we have not yet had a significant person nominated to be replaced.

Steve Scalise has not been nominated. And none of this, the group of 20 has not come out, it's not like Matt Gaetz and everybody and Lauren Bobert all came together and said, Chip Roy said, this is who we want. Yeah, they voted for the ones that have been put up, but that's more like a, we got to vote. It's not, this is who we really want.

Right, you got to have somebody to put up. And these people are getting 20 votes. They're getting that group.

Yeah, so it's not enough. Our phone lines are jamming up. 1-800-684-3110. We're going to go through the, what has been negotiated and what it means for governing. Because at the end of the day, you know what this is about folks? Governance. And that's where we want the country governed. We want to get some of these investigations underway by the Judiciary Committee chaired by Jim Jordan. He's not the chair as long as we don't have the Speaker of the House. We'll take your calls as well.

800-684-3110. That's right. I mean, so literally the votes should begin in minutes and we'll know if they start peeling off or not. This is the seventh vote. Seventh vote, third day. And the question is, does this finish up even this week? We'll see. There's real thoughts about it.

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Easiest way to do it. ACLJ.org. Welcome back to Sekulow. Right now the House is about to, again, it looks like the seventh vote for Speaker. And we've got a good call coming in.

1-800-684-3110. President Biden also just made an announcement. We're going to get into this as well in the second half hour of the broadcast as we're going through it on border security. And he's actually going to go visit the border.

So we got, there's big news there. Of course, so much of the attention that was on the fact that we don't have a House that's sworn in. So these members of Congress have not been sworn in.

We don't have a functioning House of Representatives or a Speaker of the House. Let's go right to the phones at 1-800-684-3110. Janice in South Dakota on Line 3. Hey, Janice. Hi. Thanks for taking my call.

Sure. My question today is, is there somebody else viable to be Speaker of the House rather than McCarthy? Because my personal opinion is he's just going to be business as usual for the Republican Party. And we need new.

We need to put this spending. So there has been, no one actually put forward, there's been the protest vote. Yeah, but let's explain what the protest vote is. The protest vote, because Janice, you asked a great question, is getting 20 votes. It's just whoever they put up that time.

It's not a real option. Hakeem Jeffries, the Democrat, would win. He's getting the most votes.

Correct. He's getting the most votes. Right now he is. Even if you have to watch how many people vote President, if more than 11 vote President, he would also become Speaker of the House.

So you've got this situation. I don't think it's fair to say that there is a serious viable option because the group of 20 has not said, it's this person or I'm voting no. They've just been putting someone up every once in a while, a different person. Of course, the next person on the list is Steve Scalise. Yeah, not logically, but he endorsed Kevin McCarthy and said, that's who I'm for.

They're very good friends. Jim Jordan said, no interest. I want to be the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. I totally get that, by the way. I think you've got a tremendous amount of authority as the Judiciary Committee Chair. Having said all of that, and I think you've got to understand what this is.

It's not so much who's the next best choice. George, you had a great question on that. It's really what can we extract from leadership to get, what I would say, groups that, members that consider themselves marginalized right now to get on committees. So, like for instance, one of the things, why don't we go through the list? Our ACLJ action has put together a list of what the negotiations have produced.

Then we'll take more calls at 800-684-3110. This has been mostly between these 20 no votes. What we think is about out of those 20, this is about 10 or 11 who are more about procedural changes that they wanted to see happen. The first is to go back to the original rule from 5 to 1, the number of members that are required for a motion to vacate. That's to remove the Speaker of the House. That was the rule for 100 years, that it was only one person. Then you have to have a vote.

It's not that one person can remove them. But then what Pelosi actually changed the rule, which is how she stayed Speaker so long, was you had to have 50% of your caucus. So, that would be the first concession.

The second concession is specific border policy legislation. Again, that would allow the vote in the House to move forward. Same on term limits, but that, of course, is not going to move forward in this Congress because the Senate is run by Democrats. But they want to have votes on it. Something that's more substantial, I think, is the Rules Committee seats.

The Rules Committee is very important in the House of Representatives. There would be two from the Freedom Caucus and maybe another third that would be guaranteed to a conservative. When they say two from the Freedom Caucus, they're naming names here.

We just don't have those names yet. There's also been an agreement not to have the Super PACs, the Congressional Leadership Fund, which is overseen by the leader of the House Republicans, so Kevin McCarthy oversaw that as minority leader of the House Republicans, to no longer get involved in open GOP seats. What does that mean for people?

People want to know, what does that mean? Specifically, if it's a seat that's been held by Republicans, and there's not an incumbent, that the Congressional Leadership PAC will not endorse a candidate. Got it. And that's so that you have an opportunity for more grassroots candidates to get forward. You also have more opportunity for chaos candidates. You do. But, again, some of the criticism Kevin McCarthy has been that he barely got the, you know, he didn't think he needed this group to get the votes.

No, he thought he was going to be plus 30 and he's plus 5 and barely holding that together. All right, we're taking your calls, 800-684-3110. Let's go ahead and take Don's call out of Missouri.

I think this is on people's mind about President Trump. Sure. Hey, Don, welcome to Secular. Hey, thank you for having me on the show.

I appreciate what you guys bring to the civilized world. You know, it's been a speculation that Trump could be named a Speaker of the House. First of all, what's the plausibility of that? And my second question is, with McCarthy, Matthew Gaetz put out a statement saying that he's a squatter right now in office.

What are your speculations and thoughts on that? So let me on the truth is that you do not have to be a member of Congress to be voted on as Speaker of the House. So you could be like you don't have to be a lawyer to be on the Supreme Court. I mean, so that's just the way that's just the way it is.

So you don't have to be a member. There's no way that the former President, first of all, I can't imagine why he would do it. Second of all, I don't think there's any way he would have the votes to be the Speaker of the House.

And you're the former President of the United States, so not likely. Kevin McCarthy, he's getting a lot of flack. I'll tell you something, I'm going to be honest, as we always are, we've worked with him for years, very positively.

I mean, really positively. I mean, he's signed on. We've represented him.

We've got to be careful. He's one of our clients. Just about every Republican in the House of Representatives has been one of our clients.

But he's been on many of our briefs to the Supreme Court. So I want to be clear. You know where our position is. I think that you've got 20 people. They're not right now.

They can't galvanize more than that. So hopefully there'll be a break in the log jam today. But we're going to keep taking calls at 800-684-3110 because we want to know how you're thinking about all this.

Yeah, I think so. You've got the concessions. I think we've laid that out. Those are the major concessions.

The question is, was that enough for how many? I don't think Kevin McCarthy has to win on this vote. I think Matt Gaetz is not voting for anybody, except he's going to be the – don't you think? Well, I think if you can take those four – Boebert, Bishop, Gaetz, there's one more who said they will never vote for Kevin McCarthy. So they don't care about the coming up with a – who's the other one? Andy Biggs.

Bob Goode, Matt Gaetz, and Lauren Boebert. They said they're not ever voting for him. It doesn't matter the concessions. If that was the only four he lost, he would become Speaker of the House. By one. Yes.

That's all he can lose. So the concessions – and then what he has to be concerned about right now is you make too many concessions to this group of 20 that were moderates. Yeah. And still got to be pretty conservative folks.

Yeah, they are. But not part of this group of 20 starts saying, you know what? You're giving away everything to this group of – They call them rebels.

Rebels, yeah, whatever you want to say. And what are we going to get returned for supporting you this whole time? Right. Nothing. So I think – It's a difficult – I think they've given as much as I don't think there is any more he can do.

I don't know what else he could give up, because at that point you're not functioning as a government. Let's go ahead. We're taking more calls. 800-684-3110. Yeah. Let's go to Victoria, California, online for – hey, Victoria. Hi.

Thank you. I'm wondering if, because there hasn't been a leadership change, are the Democrats maintaining their leadership roles? Sometimes you get a higher salary. Sometimes you get a bigger staff.

You have certain powers and privileges. And I'm wondering if, because it's – I think it's chaos on the Republican side. They're just rolling along, giving their little friends prestigious jobs because they can't get it together. Well, it is chaos.

I mean, you're 100 percent correct. It is chaos. And the Democrats are loving it. Because it shows that Republicans, it's, you know, we elected you to govern and you can't get a speaker elected. As a regard to – they're not in leadership anymore, but nor are the Republicans. This is the problem. Until – we really looked at this, because there's no – people say you've got to be sworn in.

It's technically not the way it works. To operate under the House rules, which can't be changed now because you're not even, you know, you don't have the leadership there, you have no committees. There are no committees right now. So the committee on the judiciary does not exist. The committee on House Ways and Means does not exist. Oversight does not exist.

Foreign Affairs does not exist. So nothing can go to the floor of the House, which is bad for the country. So you have – until you have the speaker selected, then you can have the committee chairmen appointed.

But until then, you can't. So that's why this is – we're at a full stop at this point. Yeah, that is the issue, is that it's not a functioning House of Representatives. So I – but to your point, the Democrats do love this.

Yeah, they do. The more this goes on. And so I think, you know what, if you could finish this up today, I think, again, it was a crazy few days. Yeah. And this country moves on. We go back to the border issues. Right. Immigration issues. Biden is there this weekend. And people don't harp on it. This goes into next week.

No good. And Republicans just start looking like, even though they've got the majority, that they can't even get together on leadership. And part of this is you have to compromise when you've got a bare minimum majority. You're not going to get everything you want as a member of a party that has lots of different people in it with different priorities. So I think, you know, again, this needs to finish up.

It sure does. I mean, we're – I think we're at the point where, I mean, today would be good. I think the longer it goes, it just shows Republican week. And that's the thing we want to avoid. All right, we're going to be taking more of your calls when we come back.

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And YouTube, you hit the same. We'll be back with more in a moment. So right now Kevin McCarthy has been nominated for the seventh time as Speaker of the House. This time by Congressman John James out of Michigan. And he's been someone who's run for a few different seats than Michigan. And now he's got elected to the House of Representatives in this cycle. It's making a pitch to get a lot of support in the House.

There's been a lot of cheering, a lot of standing ovations. So we are looking to see whether or not the dam begins to break. It's not to say that Kevin McCarthy is going to win on this next vote.

But does he start gaining votes again? You know, the problem with – and they're standing up right now. The problem with all of this is people saying, well, who's it hurting here?

And Cece, you said this the other day. It's hurting the American people. Yeah, it's like they're holding hostage this vote. But what they're really doing is holding the American people hostage.

It harms us. We need them to get about the business that they were elected to do. Which is talking about securing the border. Talking about going after COVID and China connections. Those are the things that we want to know. Weaponizing the federal government against conservatives.

Those are the things that we want them to get done. There is some breaking news too on border security. This is interesting too in light of just that Biden is going to El Paso this weekend. And then to Mexico City for a meeting.

El Chapo's son, who was active in the – Biggest drug cartel in history. Has been captured. They had some footage of it.

It was basically like a military battle going on. I don't know where exactly. He was also – he's a major fentanyl trafficker.

The largest I think. This is a big – who – it looks like the Mexican authorities got him. Well good for them. And I'm sure we were assisting that.

They had the footage. It looks like war. Well that's what it is. These cartels are – they're basically military operations.

But this is exactly what is – exactly why you got to have border security. Which we're going to talk about later in the broadcast. Let's go ahead and take a call.

Then I want to give an update on a UN matter. Yeah let's go to Chris in Texas online too. Hey Chris. Hey thank you all for taking my call. Love the ACLJ. Thanks. You all have been doing it great for a long, long time.

Thanks. Look I mean this whole thing is contrived. I mean it's real. They're really in real negotiations. Everybody knows how it's going to end.

Everybody knows all the talk about Liz Cheney. We used to talk about hey let's get Rush Limbaugh in there. Let's get – they ought to put Donald Trump in there. It's not going to happen. Of course not. It'll be McCarthy.

It's all contrived. It's just a matter of who gets what in the meantime. Once the numbers get bad enough for each representative at home. They'll say okay we've gotten everything we can and we can all cheer that we fought the good fight and made a big – there's no crisis. This is just the Constitution in work.

Yeah Chris let me tell you. You hit it right on the head. You're exactly correct.

I believe it's going to be Kevin McCarthy. I believe this was all not for an alternative. That means some of them may want an alternative speaker. But I think most of it was just negotiation. Don't you think? It is.

I think positioning, negotiation, personal gains. Yeah that's what I think. I think there's about half are. There's a handful. But again they did not put anybody forward. They put these people forward but those were not like the person they really wanted.

I hate to say it that way. No and in fact we have a call. Let's take Kevin in Colorado.

Online one. Hey Kevin. Hey thanks for taking my call.

Sure. Yeah I'm just – I was just curious about the – you know Matt Gacy at the beginning of the campaign. He was talking about the moment the Republicans take back the House.

He's going to nominate Donald Trump. You know that never formulated but I just – I just was curious about that. If there's any of that kind of thought still. I think zero. They could have done it. They could have done it.

I mean you know legally it's not impermissible. But I think there was zero – I don't think there was much support for it. I don't think the former President would want to do it either. No he's put into phone calls for Kevin McCarthy. So I mean the people who would have nominated him he would have said no. I'm supporting Kevin McCarthy and he did. We know that because of Lauren Boebert said that on the floor.

She said she still thinks it's her favorite President but didn't like that he made that phone call. Those would be the people that put him forward. If they wanted to pull something like that they've already had six opportunities to do so. Yeah right and they decided not to. So all right we got an update on UN Matter. I want to – and we're talking about this briefly at the end of the year. But it's a life and death case here.

And that's why I want to take just a few minutes to talk about it. Cece what is the latest – go back through the case and what we've done here. Sure our office in Pakistan represents at the time when he was actually arrested. A 16-year-old young boy who was falsely accused of blasphemy. He worked as a janitor in a hospital. He got into a religious conversation with a gentleman who was much older than him. A Muslim man asked him some questions and the young boy said I really don't know.

I'd have to ask my dad. In the conversation though when the older man, gentleman, Muslim man said well we have a prophet. His name is Muhammad.

Shahzad Masih who is our client simply said my father has a friend who every time he hears the name Muhammad mention that someone's named Muhammad he curses. Well that absolutely set off just a craze of events. That older Muslim man got together a whole group of people. Got this young man arrested.

That was back in July of 2017. He has sat in prison for over five years now. We have been doing this trial. Doing this trial yes and just last month the court actually sentenced him to death by hanging. Jordan I mean unbelievable.

And now we've got an office. Listen to the story and it's ridiculous. You've got to understand I mean these are just accusations made by the Muslim majority. The radical part of the Muslim majority there who then put this mob kind of feel as CC was talking about this group together go after these young kids who who knows if he even said that doesn't even really add up what he's saying.

And who even said that he wasn't very religious and didn't know much about he said that he didn't know much about really not a very religious person. And then the judiciary bows down to the mob because the mob will kill them. So it's at the UN right now. We filed it.

Absolutely. So not only have we appealed to the high court. We have filed with the working group in arbitrary detention which is a UN body that actually investigates these complaints that we file for arbitrary detention. And they will actually contact the offending country. They will contact Pakistan and they will say answer. If they take the case.

That's right. Answer these you know complaints and every single one of them that we allege against them every time they violated human right which they have violated many human rights for this young man. They have to answer and then we will be given a chance to answer back. So it is a process and the UN working group meets three times a year. And so we could possibly know something later at the end of this year.

All right. So we're working on it. I just wanted to bring that up to date folks because while the stuff is going on in Washington our offices around the globe are also working here. So our team in Washington is working but also obviously everything else we're dealing with globally.

So that will give me an update there. You know it looks like right now that we're going to go to the seventh vote. I think this is a pivotal. I say this every time. It's going to be a pivotal vote. We're going to take more of your calls when we come back from the break at 800-684-3110.

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ACLJ.org. Be right back on Sekulow. Alright, so right now the House of Representatives has come back into order. It is again the seventh vote is about to occur. The nominating process. Kevin McCarthy's been nominated. Hakeem Jeffries been nominated.

And Byron Donaldson again has been nominated. He's been head of the protest vote. So we're seeing again the question will be in this vote does Kevin McCarthy pick up. Not that it remains the same but does he pick up any of those 20 that have been opposed to him. And a lot of this has been over negotiations on internal rules of how the House will function. So he's given up. I mean we've got our ACLJ action team in Washington put together kind of the main points he's given up. He lowers from five to one the number of members required for a motion to vacate.

That's a big deal. Yeah, that's the ability to remove the Speaker of the House. So to one can force the vote.

Allow floor votes to institute term limits on members and to enact specific board of policy legislation. He also hit the rules committee seats two Freedom Caucus members and perhaps a third conservative on a non-House Freedom Caucus member. We don't necessarily they like mention Thomas Massey's one. Those are people that have been negotiated for those two. Those two members are specific people. So that's I mean giving up specific.

They want stand-alone votes on each of the 12 annual appropriations bills. I don't think these are bad things. I mean dropping it down to one could create some chaos on the removal. But yeah, I understand it. Well, we're taking your calls. 800-684-3110. I want to take Dave's call out of California on line one.

Sure. Hey Dave, welcome to Secular. Hey, I appreciate you guys taking my call. I've been listening for the last couple days. I've been supporting ACLJ for a long time. I want you guys to know that, you know, and I'm out in the community. I talked to a lot of people. There's a lot of support for what's happening right now.

I think a lot of Republicans. They wanted they wanted the party to stand up and say enough is enough. We're not going to do business the way we've been doing it. We're tired of passing the 1.7 trillion dollar deficit bills. We're tired of that. We don't have the money to do that. It's time to take a stand.

I believe this is a stand. I don't know if it's appropriate for the timing, but I support it. Jay, you know, like you talked about earlier, you're pretty close to this. You know, you guys have represented McCarthy. We've represented just about every, but to be fair, Dave, and I appreciate you.

Hang on one sec. But we've represented, just to be clear, we've represented in Supreme Court cases, just about every member of the House of Representatives that are Republican. Including a lot of the 20. Including the 20.

Yeah, including a lot of the 20. Dave, I just wanted to clear that up, but go ahead and finish. I'm sorry. I know that and I didn't want to make it sound like you were doing something wrong. I just, I think he's a great guy. I don't think he's done his due diligence. I don't think he worked hard enough to make sure that he had. I agree with you, Dave. I think he did not do what should have been done for the last two months.

Yes. And all of Washington will, I think, agree with you on that. Even the groups in Washington, you would not like the kind of mainstream consultant class in Washington, would say a big mistake was, it was a calculation, was I'm not going to make concessions to this group two months out. But he should have.

Because I don't think I'll need to. He should have done this because when the margin was so thin, and Dave's right that the people were reacting. You've got to understand your party more.

Yes. It's a, again, on paper, it's a pretty united party when it comes to policy issues, big policy issues. I mean, I don't know how many Americans care about the Rules Committee. It's very important to how legislation moves forward.

But try to sell that to average folks that's like, okay, why are you not moving forward as a Congress? But these are all things that could have been worked out before. So I agree with you there on that point. This was a little bit of his own doing because he wasn't working the group that he needed to work, which was the whole, you could predict who these holdouts were going to be.

A hundred percent. So I think I agree there. I think it's unfortunate this is happening. The timing is terrible.

Public. Yeah, because it's making, it looks like chaos. Well, Joe Biden's going to go to the border. He's going to put in a border security measure that just captured El Chapo's son. Meanwhile, they're having the seventh vote for the Speaker of the House. And laughing about it. Yeah.

So you can basically get a version of Title 42, but maybe more. I hope it is. All right. We're taking your calls at 800-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110. We encourage you to sign up on all our social media. We're saying this at the beginning of the year.

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Right now, I have not seen a change in... Nope. It's very early in this seventh vote. So we'll take calls at 1-800-684-3110. We'll start going in order because people have been on the line. Bob in Ohio on Line 5. Hey, Bob.

Hey. I want to say I've supported you guys for a long time and never thought I would live to see the end of Roe Wade. Congratulations on that. There you go.

I didn't either, by the way. So, Bob, I'm with you on that. Listen, those three Supreme Court justices, that was quite a moment. Okay, but go ahead. Well, now the real fight begins, and I'm speaking to every Christian that may be listening out there, is that it's very important on these elections, especially the midterms, because we've got to get rid of the people that are in opposition with everything we're trying to get done.

And if you claim to be a Christian, you vote for people who support abortion, you need to really take a look at going against God's word in that manner. Yeah. I mean, we were having some issues with the phone line there.

I think, again, remember that policy-wise, it's a united front. Yes. Some of this was about- This is all procedural.

Procedure. And then there's a group of only four who just don't like Kevin McCarthy. Yeah. And that may have been because he didn't support their races, through the leadership pack.

Who knows? So there's four that are like, I'm not voting for never McCarthy. That's the four he can lose.

Okay. But he can't lose five. No, right now he's already lost four in this current vote. I mean, he's got to get to- I know pretty soon if he's lost it again, but the question was, not so much of this vote, does he win it? Does he get the 10 that he's always talking about coming over?

So we're going to find out that soon. We're taking your calls. 800-684-3110. Joy's calling from California. Hey, Joy. Hello, Evan. Thank you for taking my call. Go ahead. You're on the air. Thanks.

Hi. I just don't understand what all this fight is about, because the Republicans just can't get their act together. The Democrats are always aligned. Always.

No, you're right. Always aligned. And it's in lockstep. They're always aligned. And this is making it look like government by chaos, which is exactly what the left wants to pinch his ass. Yeah. Their far left in their party has not been able to- they just don't have the fight since public. Even like the AOC types, the far left, I mean, the whole squad, they don't really- they occasionally censor them.

You know, they come out and say what they said was wrong, and that was anti-Semitic, but they're not multi-day ballots, and those people don't have leadership roles. No. So, I mean, look, this is- it looks like right now- I mean, it's too early to tell. I mean, I'll tell you what you can tell. Jeffers is going to have 212.

That I can tell you. He'll be- the highest votes will be again, folks, on round seven, as it stands right now. It could change in the next 30 minutes, and we'd be off the air, but as it stands right now, it's pop- very probable that Representative Jeffers from- Jeffers from New Jersey is going to end up with the most votes.

Now, that will not make him- we will not get to 218 either, but this tells you how- it's exactly what the caller was saying. Let's go ahead and take Amy in New York City. Hey, Amy.

Hi. Joaquin Jeffers is from Brooklyn. Yeah, you're right, Brooklyn.

I'm from Brooklyn. You're right. You're right. So, um, how can we best have these politicians that are holding up the vote? How can we best have our voices heard and say, we- we, you know, we are not going to vote for you if you hold up the vote. Do we go on Twitter?

Do we go on Facebook? Are you able to- So, by the way, yeah, and I was just jumping in, Amy, because he just got the fifth vote against him. So we know now this vote is not going to be determined. It's not going to be outcome- It's not going to be outcome determined. It will not be outcome determined for Kevin McCarthy. Yeah.

He's lost. Um, but- Model six, by the way. Uh, yeah. So, so we will see now, but does the six, does it get to 20? That's what we're going to be watching in this vote.

Um, but she's asking, what do you do? I mean- I think what you have to do is constituents have to call. This is really has to be, I mean, I could say all of us, but I think it's really about the people that actually voted, you know, in the, in these house districts. Like, um, like one of the members is, uh, a new Congressman from Tennessee. People should, in his district, call. Uh, because what, he, he hasn't been sworn in yet. I mean, here's the problem with this.

The headlines right now, as we're live, some of you hear us taped live, but as we're live, the headline is McCarthy appears to suffer defeat on the seventh ballot. And that's because there are six votes for representative Donald's already. Yeah, but she had a bunch of, you know. So, so even if he gets some more, that will help, but it tells you what is left to negotiate here. This is the problem and it is looking like chaos candidates, chaos governance. Yeah. And I think again, if this is, if there's 20 opposed again, Republicans have to look at, okay, is there someone else that needs to be put forward? Not necessarily that this group has agreed to yet, but to call their bluff a little bit. I think that's right.

I mean, I, you know, part of what they're doing is, is, is now interfering with governance. I mean, we all said, okay, one day, two days, I mean, Rick, when I was on set up, it was day two. Now we're day three. Tomorrow is day four.

And then you get to the week and then you're next week. By the way, he's, I mean, he's not going to, on round, ballot seven, Kevin McCarthy's not going to be the, not going to be the person. All right. We're taking your calls. 1-800-684-3110, 800-684-3110.

Yeah. Let's go to Darlene in Florida online too. Hey Darlene.

Hi, thanks for taking my call. I am totally set up with the Republican party and with McCarthy. I'm getting mixed up with McConnell.

To me, there's, there's no difference. I don't want a backroom deal. I want them to fight this out and for us to get real governance, but they're, but they're understand. Okay.

And I pre and Darlene stay on the line with me here. It's all backroom deals. So our ACLJ action broke that down for everybody. This is all about backroom deals are all about backroom deals.

Correct. They're not doing this. They're not publicly giving you any speeches about what they really want.

No, it's backroom deals. Have you said to any of them say, because I want to, I want my seat on the rules committee. No, cause they would look like jerks. Right.

You look like a jerk. If you said that, if you said that I'm only voting for you, if you give me this spot and because that's what this is really about, when we read out to you that three, they've gotten three promise seats, that's not three promised in theory. That's three people who said, if you don't give me this and they look like childish and then you start also saying, so that's, it's all politics. All of it's politics and they're all politicians. Yeah. So it's just, so everybody's clear, we're giving you the real analysis here. It's all backroom negotiations on technical rules and committee assignments.

That's what this is about. Don't think this is some high lofty, you know, because let's be, Kevin McCarthy is not a liberal. Okay. He's not a Republican in name only.

This is like, he's a conservative, but this is all, you got to understand what's really going on here. Let's go ahead and take another call. Yeah. Let's go to Tom in Iowa online five. Hey Tom.

Well, Mike, thank you for taking my call. But my question is why do the Democrats have to keep voting when we know they're going to vote for Jeff? You just have to, you have to keep voting. I mean, they vote, they're making their, because they've nominated someone. Technically if enough people voted present, he could become the speaker.

Correct. I mean, we should talk about that. I mean, if people, 11 Republicans voted President or didn't show up to the vote, and the Democrats got 212, he'd become speaker. You hear that everybody?

Say that again, Jordan. So if 11 Republicans vote present or don't show up to the vote, then he becomes speaker if he gets his 212, which he's got every time. So of course they're going to keep putting them up, but why would you not?

Yeah, because you could get to a chaotic- Plus this is looking like chaos, as we've said. Right. They're united. Every time they're voting, they're showing everybody their party from the far left to the, to the, whatever the middle of the Democrat is.

And we've got Republicans sitting down with AOC. Yeah, because they want, because they know they'll get on the screen. Yes. That's what this is all about.

We're giving it to you straight folks. I don't think Matt Gaetz runs over to AOC because he wants to be on TV. That's it.

So Andy Biggs runs over. I mean, it's nothing against him or against her. They know the camera's following the radicals like her, so they go and say, let's all be radicals together and the camera will go on us. Right. And for a few days, people will talk about them as power brokers, when reality in Washington, these folks don't make it onto committees usually. Right.

They're not power brokers. All right. We're taking your calls. 800-684-3110. We're going to take your calls on this, obviously, and immigration. Let's go ahead and take one more call right now. Let's take Kathy out of Kentucky on line one.

Kathy, go ahead. Thank you for taking my call. I just would like to make a comment that if I've been praying for this process, all that has gone on, I'm thinking, why did they go through and bring back the rules establishing where the speaker could be removed if they didn't plan on following through and holding him to account? And that's what I'd like these folks who are holding out to know. Yeah.

I mean, they got the rule changed. So if he did something that was so egregious... Right. So I'm with Kathy.

So what's... If it's not the... Well, you've got four that are clearly, I'm not voting, they're not voting for Kevin McCarthy. They don't like him.

Yeah. They used to like him. They don't like him.

They're not voting for him. Congresswoman Boebert was on TV last night with our friend Sean Hannity and she just said, I don't like him. Yeah. I mean, pretty much.

Chip Roy, what are the rules changes? Yeah. So that's gonna be what's gonna be interesting here. I don't know if we got to his vote yet. I don't think so by alphabetical order.

The question is, does he change or does anyone else with him change? Well, that's gonna be... I mean, this is... So even though this is not gonna be outcome determining, round seven of this, day three, it is gonna be interesting to see how these votes come down. We're at seven right now, seven no's.

It was at 20 and then one present. Right now we have no present. We have seven no's.

Let's see how... They're early in the voting process here. So they're doing an actual manual roll call. Present now. There is one present. So we're back to the one present. I don't know how... No, it's zero present. I'm sorry.

Still zero present. It says others, I think. Oh, so what's... Long distance for us to watch in the studio here.

All right. We're taking your calls. 800-684-3110. We got a couple of lines open.

1-800-684-3110. We're gonna have an update on the border situation. Very interesting development. By the way, ACLJ filing a brief in the Title 42 case. But it's interesting development that the President may be putting in place that actually... I mean, can you imagine? I said this... And liberal groups are complaining about it. So this is like perfect.

1-800-684-3110. Back with more in a moment. All right. In other news, which usually this would be a big story, and I think it will become one once President Biden goes to the border this weekend, the news about El Chapo's son, huge trafficker of fentanyl, the arrest that he's been captured by the Mexican authorities. And I mean, it was like a gun battle. The images look like Iraq or Afghanistan. And then President Biden announced, this is today, but it's not making a ton of news because of the speaker vote and the ongoing, I guess said, ongoing votes in Washington DC. But this is President Biden this morning by 31. One important part of that agenda is strengthening our border between our nations. And I will visit the border myself this Sunday in El Paso to assess border enforcement operations, meet with the local officials and community leaders and the folks at the border, sending me what they need that they don't have. So that came from President Biden.

And this is again, kind of the substance here by 33. Starting today, if you don't apply through the legal process, you will not be eligible for this new parole program. Let me reiterate. You need a lawful sponsor in the United States of America, number one, and you need to undergo a rigorous background check, number two. If your application is approved and you show up at a US airport or when and where directed, you have access.

But if your application is denied or you attempt to cross into the United States unlawfully, you will not be allowed to enter. Let me tell you what that is. This title basically sounds like, and we haven't seen it yet, Title 42. Title 42 is based on the pandemic. So that was this whole legal issue of, is it a temporary fix versus long-term fix? But you've got Mayorkas saying that the number of encounters are out of control and the system can't handle it.

That's what he's saying. Then we're going to file a brief on behalf of the states on the Title 42 case at the Supreme Court. So we're going to do that. But at the same time, the President's saying that he's going to announce new immigration restrictions that will enable people to remove quickly without letting them, West, seek asylum. Yeah. And this is something at the ACLJ we've worked on and kept in front of the American people for years.

And so I don't want to appear ungrateful. This is a good step that the President's making. On the other hand, Jay, there are those who say it's too little, too late. Just in the last two years, almost 5 million people have been apprehended crossing the border illegally. We also know that out of that group, over a hundred that they apprehended were on the terror watch list. But you add to that almost 700,000 gotaways last year, and we don't know how many of those are on the terror watch list. And so when the President says he's going to the border, he wants to give the CBP whatever they need, what they need is a wall along the border to stop drug trafficking and sex trafficking because the drug traffickers and sex traffickers, they don't use ports of entry.

They go across in the gap. But here's what's interesting. The measure that the President's proposing, this is a piece in the Washington Post, folks. This is what they say, the measures which are likely to draw legal challenges from immigration advocates will expand and expedite legal pathways for orderly migration. In other words, as the term we're using, those would be lawful entrants to the United States and result in new consequences for those who fail to use legal pathways, unlawful entrance to the United States. That's exactly what we've been advocating here at the ACLJ.

Now here's the irony. So let's say this bill or whatever it is, executive order, whatever it becomes, passes, and it gets a challenge from the ACLU and the National Immigration Association. So they file a lawsuit.

You understand what could happen here? We got to defend the policy. The fact that the policy is presented by President Biden doesn't mean we don't defend it if we think it's the right policy here. Now we got to see what that policy actually is. But if it's to deal with unlawful entrance, of course you want to deal with that.

We're grateful. Yeah. I mean, listen, this would be a success folks. I mean, this could, I mean, until I see it, I don't believe it, but if it does happen and obviously he's going to, something's going to happen because it triggered him, the President, to go down there. So he could say, I met with the border patrol.

I met with CUSP ICE. I met with immigration and I'll tell you something folks, we've got to do something here dramatic because it's out of control. Yeah.

And again, a lot of people's own party and on the left are not going to like this. If it is, how it is being described, which is basically reinstating remain in Mexico, a stronger Title 42, I mean, listen, some of this is existing law. Yep.

Some of this, you could have done this the whole time. Yes. The fact that you're not eligible if you don't go through the legal process, correct.

They just weren't enforcing it. So now they're going to enforce what is basic immigration law in the United States. And that's the real test is too, is this just words to try and address this issue or do we see a significant change because what will happen is less people will try to cross the border will know if they're actually enforcing these rules. We will. All right.

We're taking your calls 800-684-3110. We're going right back to the speaker of the house. It looks like there are 10, it's interesting. There are 10 no's right now, votes against McCarthy.

There's one other. We don't know who that is. It was Gates for Trump. It was Gates for Trump. Okay.

Are you shocked? Which means, again, he doesn't really care about Byron Donald. Right.

He abandoned Donald, that Congressman who was the, this is what we're telling you folks. These aren't consensus candidates that they're coming up with. This is protest votes.

Let's go ahead and. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Seventh round protest votes.

So did, they're still voting, correct Will? Yeah. So, yeah, interesting. All right. Let's go ahead and take another phone call, Jordan.

Yeah. Back to the phones we go. Eileen in Alaska online too. Hi, Eileen. Hi, Jay. Thank you for taking my call. Sure.

I want, do I need to turn the video, put it on pause, the video so it doesn't conflict? I'm sorry. I don't know what you're talking about. We'll come back to you in a moment. Let's go to Jim in Maryland on line four.

Hey, thank you very much for taking my call. The comment that I want to make is that elections have consequences and McCarthy, he's a hardcore cop politician. He's been at it for years and he did not get enough of his people on his side to win in November. And that leaves him with 10% of his caucus who just hate him.

And it's really kind of as simple as that. He didn't line up his ducks to get this done ahead of time. He had to have known ahead of time that this chaos was going to happen.

This is all about Kevin McCarthy. Well, I think to an extent, remember, I mean, the polls will show that the gays are going to be much bigger for Republicans. So he wasn't willing to make concessions to a group of 20, I don't blame him, yet. Now the polls were off, so that's part of the calculation he made at the time.

Now you can look back, you can say, should have been working this group better, but no one else is either. Perfect example, Matt Gaetz today says, now I'm not for Bishop, I'm for Donald Trump. Which gets one vote.

Okay, that's the other. No one was seriously trying to outmaneuver Kevin McCarthy. The caller that we were having phone trouble with was asking, what about Jim Jordan? Jim Jordan's a great guy. He's also a client of ours.

We love Jim Jordan. People talk about it on the first day of the first vote of this. He was the one who endorsed, he endorsed Kevin McCarthy. He did the nomination speech and then said he wants to be, which I don't blame him, the Judiciary Committee chairman.

But listen, Wes, we talked about this the other day, the more this is going on and it's going to go on again, to round eight for sure today, it's chaos. Well it's one thing to take a stand. They're not really taking a stand, they're protesting. And in America, the majority rules and the majority of the Republican caucus wants Kevin McCarthy to be their leader, the Speaker of the House.

85%. And so this is America. Go with what the majority wants. They are not doing it. And again, it's not a cause they're standing for.

It is a protest. All right. Well, that does it for today.

Yeah. There was another standing... There was a standing ovation.

What was that about? Maybe somebody did. Do we know, Will? We don't know. It's probably likely that somebody was who with a no vote said yes.

That's what I'm guessing. So again, but the no votes are still at 12. So 10 did not move. No, 11.

Yeah, 12 with the gates. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So there you go. All right, folks. We'll have more on this. Maybe it'll be resolved by the time Jordan does his Secular Brothers podcast this afternoon, folks. He's gonna get that on Facebook, YouTube, Rumble. We'll be back for more tomorrow.