Are Lamar & Ravens Destined For Divorce? (Hour 2)

All righty, our number two of our radio program, that's right it is the Zach Gelb Show Coast to Coast on CBS Sports Radio. Mike Westoff is joining Sean Payton with the Denver Broncos, and coach is kind enough to join us right now. Mike Westoff, congratulations, appreciate the time, how you been?

I'm good guys, thank you, thank you, I appreciate it. Well I saw actually on your Twitter that you were snowmobiling at Jackson Hole, that's pretty neat. That's my hangout.

What do you like, what do you like? I went out there four times this year. Oh really? Well yeah, I've been going out there for 30 some years. I went to school at Laramie, and then saw the good friend that lives in Jackson Hole, and so I started, I would go in the summer and go kayaking and rafting, and then in the winter snowmobiling. I mean I can't ski with many artificial parts that I have, so and I bought four sleds, I own four sleds, and then we travel all over and just go. We really have fun, it's really fun, and I was there and then I left from there and stopped out of Denver to talk with Sean.

So how did this come about? I know last time you were on with this you said if you were gonna get back into coaching it would be with Sean, how'd this go down? Well just very simply like that, he had talked to me you know about coming back and giving him a hand, and you know he knows I can't do this forever or gonna do it, that's not my goal, but you know I had tremendous respect for him.

To be honest with you, I wouldn't answer your phone for anyone else. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't even consider it, but you know I like him, I like what we did when I was with him before, he knows me, and so you know to help him get started and to get things the guy's going in the right direction, I think that's something I can contribute, and I enjoy being around him, I really do, and he was very excited about his opportunity at Denver, he had tremendous respect for the ownership and the administration, and so you know he was excited to get going and you know asked me to to be a part of it so I agreed. We hear all the time about building culture and we know what Sean's done in his career with the Saints, and it was remarkable, and you got to see it towards the end. How do they change the culture in Denver, like what are you guys going to be preaching as a staff? Well you know I think Sean's like a lot of good coaches, like I was around Coach Shula, he's very much in tuned to being detailed, to doing everything the right way, I mean from being on time to the way you handle things, your off-season conditioning, your weight room work, everything on the practice field, there's just a tremendous discipline with doing things the right way, and then he also is, I mean on his side of it, he's the best on the field teacher I ever saw in my 32-year career.

Wow. He's the best, I mean as a teacher, because when he, I used to stand there and listen to him talk about the offense, and he'd be you know just in a walk-through, you know he'd be telling Michael Thomason, you know Alvin Kamari said okay now we're going to come right in here, you're going to pull right into here, and then he'd say now take a look, he said you're right between the quarterback and the safety, he said now as soon as you get to here, bam you pull back out, Drew there's the window, I'm going to tell you what, I'd be standing around Sunday and it was exactly like that. So Sean's a good teacher, and he explores a lot of things, I had a lot of success with him, we were very good, and it's something I think I can do. So you know, can I do it again, it's difficult to say, you know as I've told you, you know you've heard me talk about this before, the special teams has somewhat been diluted in the National Football League, it's just the way it is, and up there in Denver maybe even a little more so because of the altitude, I mean I could cover a kickoff up there, hell it was, it's like playing on Mount Everest.

So I have to be a little creative, and I kind of like that, I like that, that challenges me, and that's something I'm very interested in. So you know, it's just something that I wasn't really looking to do, but after talking with him, it's not hard to want to be a little bit of a part of it, very much so. I read the report over the weekend, Mike Westhoff, that you're going to be the assistant to the head coach, and then you're also going to oversee special teams, so is that accurate with your role? Yeah that's accurate, well we you know, we hired a special team for another guy, by the guy who used to be with me, Ben Kawika, we're together with the Jets, and so you know there's always some finagling with titles and all that kind of stuff, but none of that's important. I mean I'll help Sean with whatever he whatever he needs, he doesn't need too much, trust me, he takes care of most of himself, but my part of it, Ben and I have worked together, we know how to do it, and we were very good, you know those last years with the Jets, we were pretty good, and so now it's us coming back together, and it's kind of exciting, exciting to do, to kind of bring it back, you know when Ben left me, he was my assistant for six years, but then you know he was a coordinator three different times, and so you know it puts all that back together, and good opportunity for him, and I'm looking forward to the challenge. I know we got to see how this off season plays out the rest of the way, but you're bringing Sean, that means the standards even going to be picked up an extra notch, do you think this is a quick fix in Denver? Here's what I know, the trip up and the trip down can both be very quick in the national football day, I'm a firm believer in that, sometimes you think you're riding along, and you're doing great, and all of a sudden you fall right down, but it doesn't take much to bring it back, you can pick it back up, I believe that coaching has the biggest influence in professional football than any other sport that there is, I'll argue that, I think it's the most academic sport, and there's a lot of things you can do to help, you know I know Sean said to me one time the second year when I was there, after I was there that first year for half a year, and next year after we had a really good year, he said Mike when you came here, he said we started this year, did you have a goal?

I said yeah, I absolutely did, he said what was it? I said to be you, I wanted to be ranked higher than you because you've never been above the top five, that's where you were, so I knew if I was hanging there with you we'd be pretty damn good, and I actually finished first and I did get them, so it's a good goal, and that's how I look at them because I respect what he's done as a coach, and I just know that it takes time, you have to put things together, but it doesn't take that much time, and I'm not very patient, and I'm sure as hell not going to do this forever, so I'm going to, you know these guys don't know it yet, they're not 100% sure what's coming, but it's coming, so they might be happy if I would go back and retire, but I'm looking forward to it, everything I've seen the people I've talked to have been so first class, that I'm very, and I used to, I never knew Denver that well, you know we never played them that much, I've always been an AFC East guy, and then the NFC for a little while, so it's kind of foreign to me, other than Wyoming where my hangout, so I do know a little something about that part of the country, but a great challenge, really good challenge. You talk about goals, what is your goal this year? That's an interesting question, that's a real good question, I always expect to finish rank very highly, now sometimes statistics can be a little bit of a misnomer, because of the fact that we were always a very good kickoff return team with the New York Jets, we were really good, I always ranked at the top 1, 2, 3, well how am I going to do that out there, I don't know, am I going to get any chances, kick the ball into bleachers, so these are things I'm going to have to adjust, but I want to be creative and try to see what I can come up with that can help us win, that's my goal, whatever it's going to be, you know with the Jets, with the Saints, we ran some, I got Taysom Hill, we ran some fakes, we were the best, I think we had the best punt team in 2018 in NFL history, I'll argue that one forever, we were really good, Tom Morstead, I loved him, we were first in net, I think second in gross, first or so inside the 10, I don't count inside the 20s, inside the 10, and the first 2 games of the year we didn't punt, that's the good news, the bad news is our opponents didn't punt either, but the rest 15 games including the playoffs, we gave up 30 punt return yards in 15 games, we're the best that ever did at that group, nobody ever did it better, so you know I have a high bar for anything we do, that's my goal, and I set it for myself and I'm just going to try to see how good we can get, and I won't settle for anything other than trying to do it a million miles an hour, so they're not quite ready for what's coming, it's gone. Mike Westhoff here with Dust, there's a lot that's been said during the last year about Russell Wilson after a poor performance a year ago, what is your view and what's your outlook on Russell Wilson as a quarterback?

To be honest with you, I don't know that much about it and it's hard for me to comment and I don't feel comfortable doing that, I remember this because I didn't watch him much this year, I really didn't as a fan just looking watching television, but I can remember this guy playing for Seattle as being a very good football player, that's what I remembered, I didn't watch him much this year, I really didn't, and I know this Sean Payton knows how to coach quarterbacks, I mean so I just have every faith and that he'll be able to, you know sometimes you have to integrate a player into your offense rather than maybe build an offense around that individual, I'll give an example and I'm not trying to compare anybody, but like you know we went to two AFC Championship games with Mark Sanchez, but Mark did a very good job of fitting into what we were doing, we had excellent defense, I had an all-star team, we led the league in rushing and so you know we kind of all pulled together and the next thing you know we're fighting to go to the Super Bowl and so that's kind of what I believe and I don't know enough to make a comment as to Russell Wilson, you know what he did or didn't do, I just remember him as a pretty good football player that I know. So clearly you still have a close relationship with Sean throughout this process and now you're going to work for him again Mike Westhoff, what really excited him about this opportunity in Denver because you said he clearly he's excited to take the job now. Yeah he you know he just when he told me and I talked to him about it, you know there's a lot of things that he liked he was very very impressed with the owner you know he talked very exclusively how you know just the attitude and the whole way it was presented to him and you know he got and here's a guy who's got some choices and I don't know what he looked at I really don't know I can't tell you but he was impressed enough that he was excited and really couldn't wait to get going. So something and I'm not a thousand percent sure you I'd be a great question to ask him but something really got him excited and so it's been it was fun I was in there last week and showed me all around we walked everywhere talked about some things to do and he's he's really looking you know he's into it he's really into it. Few more with Mike Westoff I know you had to be happy I know you're close with Zach Thomas seeing him get into the hall of fame. Yeah I was with him I was with him the other night we went down to Naples here uh you know I live in Fort Myers and he was at his son's soccer game and I was so happy I knew quite a while ago Zach called me I was very proud and he called me and he said actually I was in Wyoming and he said well you're a second phone call I made so I called my father and I called you.

Wow. That was pretty cool um I will be there uh we'll be there when he gets inducted we're gone that's for sure that's a positive I can't wait I believe he I think he very much deserves and uh you know he was a really good player on a really good defense and that speaks volumes to me so I could be happier. So I was watching a little bit of the XFL uh this weekend and I'm just wondering if you think this would ever happen in the NFL basically the onside kick is a non-factor these days they're having this fourth and 15 play where you have to complete it or you know just get the 15 yards then you get the ball back do you think that's something the NFL would eventually implement and just get rid of the onside kick altogether? It's been discussed it's been discussed I was asked by um guy I think in the NFL office that's really really just very bright about talking about those types of things they asked me several months ago and I came up with a couple suggestions as to little things that you might do to make it a little more fair not lopsided one side or the other I recommended that uh the kicking team can't touch the ball obviously for the first five yards but in the next five yards kicking team would have the availability to bat the ball that might make it kind of exciting.

Yeah it would be. So you know things like that I like thinking in those terms uh trying to do different things I've been involved in quite a few of those over the years but that's an interesting one that's interesting um I'd have to see you know the XFL I think it's something that's smart for them to try why not give it a try um I know the NFL has studied I think Baltimore proposed that to something very similar to that to the competition committee last year I'm pretty sure it was Baltimore uh you have to check out I'm not 100 sure but I think so so those things are being discussed so it's um because you hate to just have a play that becomes a non-play and that's what it that's kind of where it is right now. Are you pulling that Rex joins you in Denver as the DC? Oh I you know I'd be very happy you know I'm a I like Rex a lot and I think he's an excellent defensive coach and so whatever happens there I you know I'm I'm not I mean I I have no problem if it's Rex I'd love it so however it works out I think would be great you know Rex is up you know he's done an excellent job on with ASPM but you know I talked with him and he seemed excited so I you know you know how those things are complicated and I don't know all the intricacies of it but intricacies but I I like Rex a lot and I know he's a doggone good defensive coach very good. Well Mike Westhoff congratulations on the new opportunity I just started to listen to your book a little bit so I'm enjoying it so far and I'm sure we'll be talking throughout the year.

Well thank you I appreciate you doing that yeah I'm very very proud of it and I'm glad you're listening to it I I recorded it yeah I wrote all the words so I'm very proud thank you. No problem there you go Mike Westoff good stuff with the new uh assisted head coach with the Denver Broncos and he's going to oversee the special teams unit as well with Sean Payton so good stuff with them we'll take your phone calls next 855-212-4CBS 855-212-4227 and also get into a little onside offside when we return. You're listening to the Zach Gelb show.

All righty Zach Gelb show CBS Sports Radio we'll get to onsides offside coming up in just a moment but let me take one here real quickly first 855-212-4CBS 855-212-4227 let's go to Mike in Maryland next up on CBS Sports Radio. Mike we're shaking. Hey what's going on here chief how you doing?

Nothing much doing great go ahead. Okay here's my thought about the Jackson situation Baltimore Ravens organization about to make the biggest mistake of their lives is they're going to hit that man with franchise tag of 45 million dollars. We have multiple Heisman Trophy winners that never even made we can look at Baker and Murray never even made to the position that Jackson is in right now.

He always played top two quarterbacks in the past when the first four years of his of his of his existence purely on his special talent and it's a quarterback league it's flag football you can't touch the quarterback it's all about the quarterback we must have a quarterback. Oh don't get me wrong Mike I think it would be a massive mistake if they if they if they did not get a deal done but I don't see the harm in doing a franchise tag from now until March 7th because then if you can't get the deal done by them which I would be stunned if a deal gets done by March 7th then it just gives you some insurance. Do you know what changed all of that is what happened to Chicago and we got Smith that changed everything and then you have these then you have these players that want to go in their own terms without having the agent and that's the first thing that held back but if Smith can come here and get what he get based on the history of our organization Jackson should get a big payday.

Okay. 300 million dollars somebody will pay him. But Roquan didn't have an agent either so here's my question. Right right that's why I said if Roquan Smith can come here and get a contract without his performance his show in the first eight games Jackson came in on pure talent on his rookie year and the second year playing top-tier quarterbacks Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks in the history of our franchise if we lose this man it's gonna be a while before we even can call ourselves a team without a quarterback it's a quarterback league now. Well here's the thing Mike and I don't know if the Ravens understand how good they have it with Lamar but on the other end we have to ask this question does Lamar even want to be there in Baltimore anymore? Of course he does of course he does he knows the organization just built around them and like I said if hurt gets hurt's gonna get a quarterback he's gonna leave that big contract up the road all of that is slapping him in his face all around somebody will pay him.

Well Mike I gotta let you run I don't know if you have a ringtone going off in the background or whatever is happening but I think this is very simple. I don't know and it just Hickey correct me if I'm wrong here but this is just the vibe that I get from the last two years of this stuff like two years ago I got why they didn't get a deal done because Lamar Jackson wanted to see what Josh Allen was going to get and the thought that Baker Mayfield was going to get paid as well we know that didn't happen. Last year it made all the sense in the world for a deal to get done and last year the Ravens kind of basically put it all in Lamar for not getting this deal done then Lamar shows up and he's like no I'm ready to get a deal done. So I don't know how much the Ravens want Lamar Jackson back after do if they're willing to do whatever it takes to keep him and also we we heard about Lamar at the draft how frustrated he was he publicly voiced that on Twitter and displayed that for everyone to see and if I'm Lamar like I'm looking at this they never got me number one wide receiver they tried in the draft but they haven't got me number one wide receiver I know the whole team is built around me but if I'm Lamar I'm thinking about going to the NFC and get it traded to the NFC where there's other than hurts there and I know Rogers is on his way out it looks like so take him out of the conversation there's not a lot of sustained success at the QB position or guys that have won in the in the NFC like I get it Lamar unanimous MVP I know he's only won what one playoff game but it's his career so young I think Lamar can win a Super Bowl in this league but I just still don't know how much each side loves each other we know they like each other we know they really really like each other from time to time but how much do they love each other because also going into that playoff game and this is just speculation but just reading how that week unfolded it seemed like the Ravens were annoyed at Lamar Jackson where Lamar had to basically announce that he wasn't playing in the game like I've never seen anything like that hickey where the star player announces before a playoff game that he's he's he's not playing usually that comes from the team because the teams usually like to play those stupid games gamesmanship and wait to like the write down to the wire to inform everyone if he's playing or not but Lamar I think wanted to control really direction of the story and basically just say hey I'm not healthy enough to play and I hope that's true and I believe in Lamar but you never know when you get into these contract negotiations yeah there's no way you can believe right now that the Ravens absolutely want Lamar back and there's no reason to believe Lamar is dying to stay in Baltimore right now because both sides are giving you reasons to doubt and like I said I mean Lamar wasn't on the sideline for the playoff game wasn't tweeting during the playoff game that speaks volumes he's frustrated I think done the Ravens seem frustrated and done both sides I think are going for it feels like inevitably a split in part just because this is just kind of running scores and I would say that Lamar has more leverage here because you know if Lamar gets traded there will be more than a few teams that will be willing to give up multiple first round picks probably like three first round picks for Lamar Jackson the Ravens get those picks back but just because you have the first round picks does not mean that you're going to be and I know right the Ravens always get the benefit of the doubt but it does not mean that you're going to find a player even close to the caliber of Lamar Jackson and to to Mike's point in Maryland there is more pressure in my opinion on the Ravens to get this deal done than Lamar to get this deal done because Lamar doesn't get this deal done with Baltimore someone someone else will give him the deal if the Ravens lose out and don't find a way to get this deal done sure you're gonna get all the draft picks but who's your quarterback next year you really gonna start Tyler Huntley next year Snoop Huntley I know he made the Pro Bowl but that was a good joke that the guy made the Pro Bowl the Pro Bowl is a joke so it's where do you go next and when you have unanimous MVP even though he's been hurt the last two years tell me then what your backup plan is and I know they're never gonna tell you the backup plan now until they need to use it and I might even say that this thing ends this year like the only thing that I'm pretty certain about or I feel certain about is that they're not gonna get a deal done this offseason and if they don't get a deal done this offseason this may already be on life support but then this just goes to a totally different level because if this is three straight off-seasons hickey that they get a deal done and I know that next year will be the last resort but what makes me think that it's gonna get done especially with how both sides even though they the Ravens have said a lot more publicly than Lamar but anytime either side speaks it you never feel encouraged by it like three weeks ago it was 200 Lamar still our franchise quarterback he's gonna be here for the long term and then according to the reports they didn't even talk to Lamar during the offensive coordinating hiring so this whole thing it seems off the whole thing seems messy and it seems like a couple that knows what should happen but they're both being stubborn and now this is starting to get to a level where it just does not look good like this should have been salvageable this should have already been done the fact that it's not makes me think it's not going to get done and the question just becomes they trade in this offseason or to then trade him next offseason yeah there's no reason for anyone to believe a long-term deal is coming between the Ravens and the Marjax they've had opportunities they've had plenty of chances it's not happened coming off a season where there's a lot of frustration he's missed again six or seven I think it was seven including the puff game biggest games of the raven season it's not happening not in Baltimore well this is really well this is really the last the last time it can happen because it happened this offseason I'm saying this offseason feels like it's the last time for it to get done because you could use the excuse two years ago Lamar was never going to sign the contract which I think is accurate because he was waiting to see what guys like Josh Allen was going to get paid then last offseason you could say oh out of nowhere the Watson thing complicated it the Kyler Murray thing complicated as well I don't want to hear this year like if Joe Burrow gets a deal done or Justin Herbert gets a deal done oh that's why the ravens couldn't get a deal done it's now or never for Lamar to get a deal done in Baltimore like throw the last two years out the window throw all the ugliness out the window if you don't get the deal done this offseason then it's never getting done in my opinion so I don't want to hear any more excuses like the last two years you could talk me into those excuses but the facts are this is a guy that's one of unanimous MVP in the league and there would be at least five teams I guarantee you that if you want to trade him tomorrow would be willing to give up three first round picks just for starters to go get Lamar Jackson you know like three or four of them are in the NFC south you know the Jets would do it as well you know maybe the Raiders as well like that's just off the top of my head but say what you want about what happened in the past you don't get it done this offseason there's no justification to me and there's a lot of pressure on the ravens because here's what the ravens risk the ravens are viewed as this great franchise the ravens get the benefit of the doubt I've questioned their lack of getting a number one bonafide wide receiver in there like a great wide receiver in there then also you don't get the deal done this offseason it's like what's your plan that to me hickey is the most fascinating part about this if you don't get the deal done with lamar I think we could all agree then they're never getting the deal done this offseason what's your plan after that is it to use all those picks and move up in the draft or I know you have a really good defense like do you really think in the year of 2023 you could win game 17 14 and that will win you a super bowl no and this defense is good in Baltimore but it it's not the the bears in the 80s it's not the early 2000 ravens right it's not the legion of boom with the seattle seahawks now it's not the the steel curtain okay it's a good defense but this is not a defense that I go into next year thinking that if lamar is not there oh they're easily going to be able to win game 17 14 in that division too which is a tough division with the bangles in it with the great joe burrow can he pick it I think on the rise and in pittsburgh maybe the sean watson knocks off the rust from basically missing two years if that's their goal that they could just plug in any quarterback in the year of 2023 good luck it will not work in Baltimore and you will you will lose people and people will then start to turn on you because you have something that is great right now even though he's been hurt the last two years he is a heck of a football player and the fact that this deal hasn't got done yet makes me really question where that relationship's at but if it doesn't get done this off season it's never getting done you're listening to the Zach Gelb show all right we'll get to on sides offside coming up in a moment let me take a few phone calls though first eight five five two one two four cbs eight five five two one two forty two twenty seven let's go to lee in cincinnati next up on the Zach Gelb show lee what's happening my man not much Zach but I just wanted to answer question to you I think you kind of answered it yourself before on why Baltimore gets the benefit of the doubt and it has everything to do with Ozzie Newsome the fact that he was a general manager you're talking about one of the best general managers has ever been but now he's not and that is why I think that the Baltimore is kind of on the downside that's that's why I don't think they're going to get the benefit of the doubt anymore after this is because Newsome's no longer the general manager he took and made that franchise what it is now he's not there now I'm just afraid where the future is going to be without him yeah so here's the thing I don't know who's to blame here on the raven side because you could say it's the owner steve vishadi you could maybe say that it's john harbaugh you could definitely say it's eric decosta the bottom line is if they mess this up and don't get a deal done and they're not able to quickly find a replacement which is nearly impossible like not everyone's the packers where you go from farve to rogers right like look at the patriots they lose brady they had cam now they have mac now some people are down on mac like it's so tough to replace a quarterback that you just deemed to be good a lot of people deem omar jackson is great so good luck trying to find someone else and if you don't find someone then a lot of people are going to view that organization a lot differently so if you want to say it's on decosta and let's say they don't get a deal done he better go find that quarterback and find it sooner rather than later because if you don't that's how you end up being out of a job in this league let's go to j in alabama j go ahead what's going on zach hey before i get started what was hickey like after the super bowl was he hot take hickey or was he 10 state hickey like needed to be in the drunk tank hickey that i don't know i did not watch the super bowl uh with hickey i was at the game hickey were you in a sober state after the super bowl you're probably spewing off some nonsense no no nonsense i was locked into the game one beer consumed i think even if that it was actually a lot more food than i ever anticipated but i guess you want to say i was on my best behavior but geez one one game you enjoy so j what hickey's telling you is he had a boring uh super bowl party that his girlfriend dragged him to that's what he said yeah he's just trying to wrap that up in a bow tie we know we know he was getting down anyway no i think what this all boils down to lamar does not want to be in baltimore and i think the the office front manager there i think they know it i think they're just not telling us but i think they know it that's the only reason why there's no deal being done i think lamar emphatically does not want to be in baltimore anymore and like i was telling hickey um when he was screaming to me it's like he's giving them chance after chance to get that roster right and look what they do they give him broke down running backs and an old ass receiver and you know it's like come on bro and i think he just wants to get down that he wants to get back home to florida i keep saying that man if he goes miami the afc is is in trouble if he goes i am miami with those two hot receivers they got down there they'll be offensive juggernaut but i think what it boils down to we just gotta like be real lamar doesn't want to be in baltimore yeah um and i think that's fair jay to say but then does he not want to be in baltimore because baltimore hasn't shown him the love so like it's easy to say okay he doesn't want to be in baltimore but what's the reason for that and i do think hickey right it's the way that this entire contract dispute has gone on for two years oh yeah i think it's the ravens themselves or the city i think it's like you said i think it's just you want you know you're giving yourself and you're giving your all to this team you just want the same in return he has not felt the love and that's part of his why he's frustrated by the way coming up later i i do have a problem of you hosting this show yesterday that we're gonna discuss something that you said yesterday i gotta call you out on so that's a tease coming up later on here we go five questions five answers let's get to onsides offside zach's taking on the most polarizing issues in sports which side of the line of scrimmage will he end up on offside defense number 69 it's onsides offsides with sack gilb on cbs sports radio all right what do you got for me hickey zach we've done a lot of draft talk so far on this show i'd say one of the guys we talked about a lot is cj shroud obviously we think he's going to be one of the top cortex your guy upcoming nfl draft select shroud let's go colts the cult should not select cj shroud there should be one man pay the price let's get price but the colts along with the chapsons panthers raiders all teams have been so far rumored reported mock drafted so far to be the mix to get the ohio state signal caller but there is one team that possibly could be sneaking on up into the cj shroud sweepstakes we're gonna call it and that is the dallas cowboys who according to mike fisher of sports illustrated the cowboys are quote intrigued end quote by strap now obviously dallas does have a quarterback dak Prescott he does have two years left remaining on his deal and you've had this off season already both jerry jones and stephen jones mentioning that they want to extend dax contract this off season so zach on sides or off sides the cowboys are actually interested in drafting cj shroud i think this is the drama dallas choking cowboy as well being the drama dallas choking cowboys i think they are starring up the pot of drama i also think they're sending a message here to dak Prescott that your play has to be better because the last two years the season ended and you didn't have stellar moments on the field and it's going to be tough to move up from where they are it's possible so i think this is just them sending a message and stirring up the drama i don't think they're actually interested though in cj shroud so i will say offside offside all right with the mba all-star game now in the rear view mirror the home stretch of the mba regular season is upon us now kevin durant could make his son's debut as soon as friday kyrie irvin with his new uh mavericks team looks to develop chemistry with luca doncic your guy kyrie or your former guy yeah i have to get rid of that shirt i have yes yes your uncle drew shirt no no i i i don't believe in that nonsense it will probably just acquire a lot of dust on it and stay in the closet oh oh really not gonna throw it out nah okay just bury it deep in there you never know maybe he wins me back one day that you okay that's fair you do never know plus 45 000 for that of happening but you never know you never know i never say never i'm like mike tom oh boy with kyrie you are you can never say never no matter what but i'll never wear that shirt again holy cow lebron james if you look at other storylines going down this final stretch called the last 23 regular season games of the laker season the most important regular season games of his career yeah that's a lie that's uh it's a big big statement there in the eastern conference the honest did avoid major injury and so missed just a few games it's kind of like an oxymoron because there's anything really important about the mba regular season if we're being fair well lebron james this is the biggest stretch of his career ever thought you missed the playoffs back to back here is the bad one he's taken uh taking it very seriously celtics get healthier at the right time so a lot of different storylines a lot of different teams with pressure on them down the final 25 30 games of the regular season onsides or offsides chris paul is the player with the most pressure on him the rest of this season that's offside because i don't even think he has the most pressure on him on his own team i would say durant has more pressure when i think of the sun's now with durant going there it's not like oh can chris paul win a ring that's now fully kevin durant's team all righty let's go to the nfl draft it's presumed that the bears will trade the number one overall pick to build around justin fields but not everyone does agree with that logic former nfl gm mike tannenbaum believes that chicago should trade fields and draft bryce young with the number one pick he cited restarting the quarterback clock and young having a higher ceiling than fields as the two reasons why the bears should make the move so onsides or offsides the bears should trade justin fields and draft bryce young number one overall obviously fields was more highly touted coming out of college than jaylen hurts but isn't the jaylen hurts situation from away from a way that we talked about him a year ago similar to justin fields where you looked at the eagles and they had they had more talent around them but they went out and got aj brown and they did everything they could to put jaylen hurts in a position to succeed that's what the bears need to do this off season because fields at times last year looked like he could be a franchise quarterback but it was still tough to evaluate in its entirety because he didn't have much around him like he showed me enough last year to make me think okay he could be the guy in chicago so if i'm the bears i would build around fields instead of trading fields away getting the draft picks back that you would get for him and then you know taking bryce young as well i even though i think bryce young's gonna be phenomenal i would not trade fields i would build around him and still fall back in the draft a few spots and get more picks to even build around justin fields even more so you ask me the bears should trade justin fields and draft bryce young no offside offside daniel jones coming off the best year of his career is reportedly looking for a mega payday now according to mike florio jones is looking for at least 45 million dollars per season and even recently changed agents to help make this request a reality you know what's weird about that report sure words are key daniel jones wants more than new york has offered him possibly as much as 45 million dollars a year possibly if it was exactly 40 wouldn't just be he wants 45 million dollars a year like is there is he willing to go like 5 million less than that maybe so 40 million dollars a lot but yeah it is 42 43 i saw even he wants more than 45 possibly more than 45 so could he be asking for 46 46 47 and the franchise tag somewhere in like the 32 to 34 million dollar range 32.4 for the non-exclusive franchise tag of which the giants could slap on them this season this past season jones accounted for 22 touchdowns and six turnovers did finish 13th and pass the rating like you just mentioned while he's asking for a report of the 45 mil giants could franchise tag him for about 32 million next season on sides or off sides the giants will franchise tag daniel jones for 2023 i think they should franchise tag jones and then get the long-term deal done with saquon the changing of agents makes me think that jones didn't think he'd get the long-term deal done with this old agency and he's pretty convinced that a long-term deal will get done with this agency so even though we talked about earlier how the giant should franchise tag jones i actually think they'll get the long-term deal done and i will go offside when you ask me will the giant's franchise tag daniel jones and finally derek karr according to his brother david who was talking on the NFL network had reportedly a very good visit with the jets over the weekend kar also mentioned that his brother derek isn't in a rush to sign with the team and instead will take his time as you know derek kar is not the only big name quarterback on the market you have lamar jackson we speculate will be traded aaron rogers we speculate will be traded jimmy g also a for agent those are the four big name quarterbacks on the off-season market so on sides or off sides derek kar of the big four quarterbacks we just listed will be the third quarterback signed this off season when you mean by that like that's also including trades right like rogers getting traded is the same thing okay um i think he will either be first or he will be second i think now that's not my order of importance i would go if i'm a team looking for qb lamar one then rogers two because the age difference kar three and jimmy g4 but i think kar is going to push the hand of one team to make a move and the rogers and jackson timelines we don't know what they are i don't even know if jackson is going to be traded this off season rogers i think will so i don't think he's going to be the third qb to have the domino fall i think he will jump either lamar or aaron rogers so i will then say offside to your question offside all righty this is that kelp show on cbs sports radio we'll take a break on the other side i want to delve into more about that mike fisher report about the cowboys showing some interest in being intrigued with ohio state quarterback cj shroud we'll do that on the other side in five minutes when the zack kelp show continues right here on cbs sports radio