Russell Wilson Pressure? (Hour 3)

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Now he's coaching as the special teams coordinator coming off a successful season with the Seattle Seahawks. Larry, I know it's been a while. Really do appreciate you carving out some time for us today. How you been? I'm good, Zach. How you doing? I'm doing fantastic. So when you saw the news earlier this morning about your former teammate in Tom Brady that he's walking away after 23 seasons, just had your process it?

How'd you react to it? You know, obviously it didn't come as a shock just based on, you know, where things were, you know, from last year to this year. Obviously I'm happy for him that he came to a decision that he's happy with and, you know, his career has just been so remarkable and so many people have just benefited from, you know, what he's done on the field that I'm just happy for him that he's in a place where he's ready to walk away. As a fan I'm a little, you know, you're disappointed because you're not going to get to watch Tom Brady play ball anymore and that's, you know, a little bit disappointing from a personal level but obviously you got to look at it from his angle and it's time and nobody could have done it better than he did so I'm happy for him.

I'm actually a little bit surprised today. I thought he was gonna go one of these free agency tours and pick a new team or maybe just go back to Tampa Bay. I thought he was gonna go for one more year Larry, I really did.

Yeah and I wouldn't have been shocked if that were the case either. So I want to take you back to 2001 because you were there at one Patriot place as the Patriots were going on out there and having this magical season. Bletso gets hurt, Brady comes in. Just all these years later, like when you're looking back on that, when did you know that Brady was going to be able to help lead that team and do a good job filling in for Drew? I think we all knew pretty early. He had had a great camp. In fact, you know, Damon Heward had been signed in the offseason to kind of beat it back up to Drew and then throughout the offseason and training camp, Tom kind of elevated himself above Damon and so going into week one, you know, it was Drew, Tom, Damon. So at that point right there, and I've been around Damon for a long time, you know, having played with him in Miami. So I knew the capabilities that he had and then for Tom to, you know, outperform him in that period, he was playing at a high level.

So, you know, the quarterback Drew goes down and then Tom comes in. Obviously, no one could sit here and envision that he was going to have the 23 years that, you know, a career that he's had, but we all knew he was capable. We'd seen it.

We'd seen it every day in practice and then it just slowly built as that year went along. You know, he got more and more confident and, you know, obviously at the end of the day, you know, we go down to New Orleans and, you know, he leads us down the field to win the game. So I think we were all confident in him, but, you know, you can never envision that it was going to turn out the way it did, obviously. No doubt about it, Larry Izzo here with us and I also wonder, like, if that story played out today in the year of 2023 with, like, social media. I know Belichick doesn't give a rat's ass about that stuff, but Bledsoe was ready to come back that season.

He's a hundred million dollar quarterback. You even know that Brady got hurt in that AFC title game and Bledsoe comes in and throws that big touchdown pass and helps punch that ticket to the Super Bowl. I just wonder what the backlash would have been like with everyone having a platform with social media if that would have played out 20-something years later. Oh yeah, it would've been interesting. It would've been an interesting week and then remember, we didn't have, because that was the 9-11 year. Yeah, no bye week. So there was no bye week. It was just, we went straight from Pittsburgh, we went back to Foxborough, packed our bags, and then we were in New Orleans on Monday and then it's remarkable that, you know, what Tom did to get back, you know, he had an ankle, I believe, you know, a high ankle.

Those aren't easy to come back from and then by Wednesday we're in full pads practice, practicing at Tulane, I believe, or Loyola or one of the colleges down there and Tom's out there practicing and so then obviously, you know, the decision was, you know, was made at that point when he went out there and showed that he can get it done but that was pretty amazing for him to come back from that injury in such a short period and then yeah, today's world, it would have been an interesting week for sure. The leadership of Brady is always what's talked about the most in the early years and obviously with success and with the notoriety, he became a better and better leader and obviously a lot more well respected in the league and well known. What type of leader did you see early on out of Brady? Obviously, he's a natural leader.

I've never met a more competitive person, you know, this guy hates to lose more than anybody whether it's football, ping-pong, whatever. If you're competing, he hates to lose so, you know, when you have a guy with that kind of competitive drive and the natural leadership skills that he has, it's easy to follow and so, although he was, you know, we had a number of leaders there, you know, that was a year, you know, you got Lloyd Malloy, William McGinnis, Brian Cox, Bruce Gee, got, you know, older veterans that kind of carried the torch a little bit from that standpoint in terms of leadership and then Tom slowly kind of evolved into that and for sure on that first year but at the end of the day, your quarterback is your leader, you know what I'm saying? So by playing that position at the level he was playing it, he was leading the team. Yeah, the three Super Bowls, Larry, in four years, like were you able to like appreciate that in the moment or did it just seem like that this magical run was happening? No, yeah, we appreciated it for sure, you know, in the moment.

Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. Now looking back on it, it's, you know, it's been since the Philly Super Bowl that anybody's repeated, so yeah, it's extremely hard to do what we did and it's something very obviously very proud about the accomplishments of that team and so when you do, yeah, when you're in it, for sure you're feeling it and you're aware of, you know, what you're doing in terms of how it relates to history and whatnot, but yeah, that was a special team, it was a special group that was able to, you know, stay together for a long period of time and have a lot of, put a lot of W's up there. You're a competitor, he's a competitor, we all know that Larry is though, but with how long he played, like you were able to have a second career go from a Pro Bowler as a special team's demon to then eventually starting your coaching career with the Giants and you actually were coaching against Brady in a Super Bowl. Was that, I know you got a job to do and you were looking to win and you did so, but was that just like bizarre leading up to that week preparing against your old team and a lot of guys that you knew in that locker room?

Yeah, no doubt. That was 2011, that was my first year coaching and so yeah, we end up, I was with the Giants, we end up playing the Patriots in the Super Bowl and so yeah, it was, I had a lot of former teammates on the other side and obviously Brady's out there, so yeah, that was for sure a unique experience for me, especially as it was my first year coaching and here I am going up against my former team, definitely surreal. Brady away from the field, Larry Izzo, because I know you guys have done, I think, a few Derby trips together. What is he like away from the field?

He's awesome, awesome, awesome to be around in terms of that competitive spirit shows up. I'll give you an example, like early days, I think it was 2002, we're at some bar during training camp after, you know, one of the nights off and we're you know, having a little bit of, you know, socializing going on and we start talking, you know, in terms of chugging beer, you know, and so I'll tell you, I've never seen anyone that could chug beer like Tom Brady. I'm telling you, I used to feel really good about my skills chugging beer. In fact, we start competing and, you know, one-on-one, you know, man versus man chug contest. Rabel's even got my back, he's betting on me because he's seen my work and Tom whooped my ass. Great time, I couldn't, I couldn't beat this dude, I couldn't beat him, it was amazing.

So, I don't know, just in terms of being around him, he's a great dude to be around, always has a lot of fun, the energy that he brings is special and so he's just got that personality that you want to be around him. Safe to say Brady wasn't on the the TB12 diet back then. Yeah, that was pre-TB12 for sure.

You gotta laugh probably all these years later with how strict he is on that diet and all this avocado, avocado smoothie nonsense, you were probably chugging beers and eating burgers with him back in the day. Yeah, that was early Tom Brady days, that was before TB12, but obviously that paid off for him for as long as he played, he figured it out pretty good. Talking to Larry Izzo right now, former teammate of Tom Brady, the two won three Super Bowls together in the early 2000s. The relationship with Belichick, I saw Belichick released a statement today saying that Brady's the ultimate winner and he entered the NFL with little to no fanfare and leaves as the most successful player in league history. Do you think their relationship and a lot of people think there's a dislike between the two just got blown out of proportion throughout the years?

Yeah, I would think so, obviously. You know, when you're around, when you're with someone for so long obviously there's going to be some ups and downs and nothing lasts forever so eventually, you know, people are going to move on. But as far as their relationship, I can't really speak for it personally, but I'm under the impression that it's a solid relationship. The mutual respect between the two of them that they've both accomplished so much together, the history that they have, obviously, you know, it's a strong relationship as far as I would assume.

So let's say 20 years from now someone comes up to you Larry Izzo and they said, hey I wasn't able to be alive when Tom Brady was playing football. How would you describe the type of player he was in your relationship with him? How would you describe him? I've never been around someone with the competitive spirit and the drive that he had and as far as how that fueled him into working to what he became because it was a process. You know, the Tom that I played with in 2001 evolved into, you know, the Tom that played in 2022 and a lot of that was through just hard work and dedication and to be able to do what he's done, to play as long as he did at such a high level. You look at what he did on the field this year.

I saw it firsthand when we played him in Munich. It was like he was, you know, I felt like I was watching, you know, him playing in the early 2000s just the way he was dicing it up but so to do that it takes a work ethic that is unmatched and so I would say this was the hardest working, most competitive person that I'd ever been around and he played the hardest position in sports at the highest level that anyone could ever play it and he's the best player to ever put on a uniform and go out and play on Sundays in the NFL in the history of the game. That's how I would describe him. He's just one of a kind and there's never gonna be another one like him. You knew that this was eventually going to end. You just never knew when it was gonna come to fruition because he was like fine wine like you were saying.

He just kept on getting better and better with age. Is there any part of you today that goes, yeah I'll believe that he's actually retiring when you don't see him play football coming up in the fall? I'm gonna go with, I think, you know, I think he's comfortable with the decision. I would think, you know, he's not looking to drag things out, you know, in terms of what happened last year to this year.

I would think that, you know, that he's done. I also got to ask you about the Seahawks, you being the special teams coordinator. You guys had such an unbelievable season and just from afar watching you guys, no one gave you a chance before the start of the season. I know that in this league it's always Super Bowl or busting and you think that way, but you guys got to be really proud what you accomplished this year. Yeah, it was a fun year. Obviously, as you said, if you're not, you know, playing in that last game of the year, it is a disappointment, but in terms of, you know, outside expectations that we exceeded, that was, it was fun to be a part of. We got a young team. It's an exciting time up here in Seattle. Got a lot of young good players and that are hungry, so it was a fun year. Great group of guys to be around.

Obviously, we just wish that we were still playing, but we're excited about the direction that things are going in. Last one before we let you run, Larry Izzo. I think this is the most important question I've ever asked someone. There's this story about Belichick once giving you a game ball for taking a number two on the sidelines. Can you tell us that story?

You know, I'll just keep it short in terms of it is a true story. It happened and as it relates to my role in the story is like I wanted to do whatever it took to win the game and that's what I did. I had to, I was not going to be a guy that was unavailable to his team because he had to run off to the bathroom and, you know, I didn't want to be that guy.

So, I did what I had to do and it was appreciated obviously by the head coach and my teammates and it was recognized in the form of a game ball, which I still have to this day in one of my prized positions because it is a great story. Ted Johnson once told me that that game ball is probably on a mantle in your office or something like that. It's in my house.

It's in a mantle in my house, but you know, it's a funny story. It happened, but I am proud that I was there when I did not, you know, can you imagine it's like your punt team's running out on the field. It's like where's Zizzo and oh he's in the bathroom.

I didn't want to be that guy. So, I just take things into my own hands and get things done in front of 70,000 people in the Georgia Dome and hopefully nobody noticed too much. Not to get too personal, did you use toilet paper or were there, you just had to use the towels on the sideline? I'm very thorough regardless in that department and so, yeah, everything was cleaned up properly with excessive towel use.

No wet wipes on the sideline, I guess. Larry, I really do appreciate the time. Thanks so much for doing this. You got it.

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He's fantastic. But with that being said, I look at the situation in Denver and I think it's a real tricky one because you're in the AFC West where the Chiefs are going nowhere because of number 15. Justin Herbert is a really good quarterback and there's a lot of talent on the Chargers and I know the season ended poorly but they still did make the playoffs.

I don't know who's quarterbacking for the Raiders until the Raiders get their next quarterback and we'll see what the reaction is. It's tough for me to take them seriously but if they get Aaron Rodgers, I would probably put the Raiders up to number three in that division. So right now I think the Broncos are the third best team in that division but I don't think their apex for next year is really higher than that. Like I would be surprised if they're better than Chargers next year. Forget about Kansas City we know they're gonna win the division as long as Patrick Mahomes is healthy.

And you know four teams have to go on out there and get into the playoffs because they're winning their division. The Chiefs win the AFC West next year probably Buffalo will win the AFC East. You go Cincinnati let's say in the north and then you would think Jacksonville win the south.

You then look around at some of the other teams. I look at a team like Baltimore I think they're better than the Denver Broncos. You go around and you see like the Steelers they went 9 and 8 this year I think they're better right now than the Broncos. What is Cleveland gonna look like next year with the full year of Deshaun Watson? If Tua could stay healthy what do the Dolphins that you think they're better than 9 and 8? You know now maybe the Patriots having Mac Jones with the legit offensive coordinator and they were 8 and 9 last year could they get back to 9-10 wins? So you go through some of those teams and Tennessee was 7-3 if they go get a quarterback this year maybe they make a return to the to the postseason. So I think it's a very tough thing to do for Denver next year where the goal is gonna be to make the playoffs to actually make the playoffs. Now Sean's a phenomenal coach but I think it's asking a lot in a year to quickly turn around Russell Wilson and that offense. Like defensively they're good but offensively what do you really got? What what really intimidates you with the Denver Broncos offense? Because I don't know how great Russell Wilson still is. I think maybe his feelings just being a good quarterback no longer a great quarterback. You would hope that the running back Javonte Williams could play an entire season after his injury from a year ago. Jerry Judy is he a number one wide receiver?

I don't think so. I think he's like an in-betweener. I think he's more closer to that he is a one. I like Cortland Sutton a lot but he's not a number one wide receiver. So you look at that team offensive line question marks all over the place and your best offensive lineman got injured last year. So I look at this team I think it's a tough turnaround.

I really do. And you also have the locker room dynamic of where is that relationship at with Russ and the other 52 guys that are on the roster. But when you move past all that where in one breath I go great move great job by the Broncos but the other thing I just don't know because of my lack of belief now in Russell Wilson how successful this will be.

But when you move on from this and just the initial move of Sean getting traded to the Broncos right away I would say we know that when you go into next season Hickey and I don't know where you agree with if you agree or disagree with this but can you think of right now one player for next season where we currently stand and if a player gets traded and a big free agency signing happens that could maybe sway your opinion in a different direction. But right now is there a player in the NFL under more pressure for next season than Russell Wilson like this was the most embarrassing year and one of the biggest fall from graces you'll ever see just in terms of play and lack of good production on the field. But now it adds even more pressure on Russ to turn around because it's not like you brought in some slap you know what is your head coach you brought in a guy that's going to the Hall of Fame. So there's even more pressure where Russ has to show with you can't have the excuse of bad coaching anymore that Russ has to show that he could play and not just a competent level but a good level again. And if Russ doesn't play well this year we already had the conversation at times last year where there's gonna be some people that start to say when do you kind of just a take your L and cut your losses with Russell Wilson. So I look at this hickey I can't think of a player that's under more pressure for next year than Russell Wilson. I would agree yeah Dak I think has pressure on him but not as much as Russ in part because he was better this year than Russ.

And also I don't think anyone actually believes that Dak Prescott could go win a Super Bowl. True I would say Josh Allen has some pressure on but nowhere near nowhere near the amount Russ will have. Yeah I think it's definitely fair to say quarterback most pressure is definitely Russell Wilson next year. And it's not like like for example the pressure on Josh Allen to go win a Super Bowl. The pressures on Dak Prescott to go win a Super Bowl. The pressures on if you even want to say Kirk Cousins to go win like more than a playoff game.

I know he didn't win one this year but that he's only been able to win that one playoff game and you got to be able to do more than that. But I don't think there's a lot of confidence that Kirk's ever gonna be this great postseason quarterback or people have this confidence that Dak is gonna be this postseason quarterback. And I would agree with you that there's a ton of pressure on Josh Allen to go win a Super Bowl but we all know he's a great player individually.

For Russ it's a lower bar. It's go make the playoffs and I can't confidently sit here and say just because you get Sean Payton who we all think is phenomenal coach that Russell Wilson's gonna go make the playoffs next year. Like if Josh Allen gets to an AFC title game and they lose.

It's embarrassing yeah. It's failing yeah but no one says oh they got to go replace Josh Allen. Like if Russell Wilson misses the playoffs this year you will have people that are gonna start to look at the dead cat money and say all right 2024 it's 85 million then 2025 it's 49 million wait but hold on let's see what the the post June 1 trade is or whatever that stuff is where maybe the number drops like when you have the Rogers contract right now that's gonna be a legit conversation. We already had it at times this year where people started to talk about oh maybe they they move on from sooner rather than later.

That's what happens if Russell Wilson misses the playoffs. And then I'll also say this directly from the Sean Payton trade I also think there's an enormous amount of pressure on the Chargers because even though I don't think it was likely that the Spanos family was gonna move on for Brandon Staley in a year that he makes the playoffs. You know Sean wanted that job. I know Sean and every does an introductory press conference will get to the podium and go oh this is the job that I always wanted oh this is where I want to be it's a great situation. He wanted the Chargers job.

That got leaked out by every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the media. He wanted the Chargers job but the Chargers didn't want to get rid of Brandon Staley didn't want to pay out the contract to Brandon Staley as their head coach. Or they also thought oh we made the playoffs so you could just move it in the right direction even though they choked that lead up against the the Jacksonville Jaguars. But Sean wanted to go there and if somehow and I think the Chargers have better team they don't have better coach but they had the better team but if the Broncos finish in front of the Chargers and let's say the Broncos and I don't think they'll be a playoff team next year but let's say they go 10 and 7 and the Chargers go from 10 and 7 to 8 and 9 or 9 and 8 and miss out on the playoffs that's gonna be hickey one really bad look for the Los Angeles Chargers. The only thing I'm debating my head is how realistic it was like you kind of mentioned are they gonna give draft capital and pay Sean Payton I don't know 15 20 million dollars a year and also pay off Brandon Staley?

With the Spanos family no it wasn't realistic but that doesn't matter when we get into these conversations because you knew Sean wanted the job. You think any you think a fan of the Chargers that wanted Sean Payton is gonna say a year from now if let's just say the Broncos finish in front of them oh okay yeah it wasn't really realistic I'm gonna be level-headed and it wasn't realistic that we were ever gonna get Sean. Now they're gonna say what the bleep our owners are cheap and we could have got Sean because he wanted the job they just wouldn't trim the fat with Brandon Staley. I guess what's for me holding up is just the fact it's not like they're saying we believe in Brandon Staley more than Sean Payton. It's like they are saying we trust our future is in better hands with Brandon Staley compared to Sean Payton. That's where I guess where I'm a little hung up just because it's not like they're betting and telling you Staley's a better coach. I would agree that's probably finances I would agree that's also probably draft capital. But they also believe in Brandon Staley in some extent to continue moving forward them as the head coach. Yeah in some extent yeah.

So like that to me is you could have got Sean. But you could think Sean Payton's a great coach but also think the price is too high. I think both things can be true. I'm not saying it's right I'm not trying to defend the Spanos family I'm just trying to say when it comes to pressure on the Chargers next year because of Sean Payton I'm just not there yet.

I guess that's what I'll say. So you don't think that like if you were a Chargers fan put yourself in a Chargers fan's shoe. Next year if let's just say the Broncos are better you're not going to be sitting there as a a Chargers fan and saying wow Sean wanted to be the coach and now we have to deal with Brandon Staley with all of his analytics and all of his poor coaching if he if he has another failure next year. I guess the way I look at it is similar to the Colts I would love Sean Payton as my head coach. Were they ever gonna hire him?

No. So it's like it's tough to play that what-if game because like even if they fired Brandon Staley odds of them hiring Sean Payton seemingly did not seem very high. But so it's not like he wanted the Chargers the Chargers didn't want him whether that's because they it's not them saying that he's not a good coach but it's because of however you want to interpret that Staley situation.

That's what I'm just saying if it wasn't realistic from the first place I'd have it if I was a Chargers fan try to put myself in that situation I still know how irate I would be it's easy to say okay but in reality it's like was he actually gonna ever coach there? Let me dumb this down then for you. There's nothing to dumb down. Let me just dumb this down.

No dumbing down. I get what you're saying. What I mean by this because I I don't think you're putting yourself in the shoes of a Chargers fan. If this was your team the Colts you you would act like let's say you had Brandon Staley with the Colts you guys just made the playoffs but you blew that lead and then like Payton comes out and says doesn't come out but basically leaks that he wants to be the next coach of the Colts and then he winds up in your division in Jacksonville because your owner didn't want to make the move to get rid of Brandon Staley even if you didn't think it was realistic to get him but if Sean wanted to be the next coach of the Colts you wouldn't be annoyed if Sean then winds up in Jacksonville and then is better than you you wouldn't hold your your owner accountable? You wouldn't hold Jim Mercy accountable for that? I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is I just if it's not realistic from the first place it's just I think it's easier said than done to be like this team screwed it up that's all.

Okay. Zach Gelb shows CBS Sports Radio. We'll take a break. When we come on back the Chiefs dynasty talk is back on. We'll get into that and what a victory would mean coming up next Sunday for the Kansas City Chiefs up against the Philadelphia Eagles.

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You can take O'Reilly Auto Parts where your car care needs, get guaranteed low prices and excellent customer service from the professional parts people at O'Reilly Auto Parts. We will get into the conversation real quickly um about the Kansas City Chiefs and this dynasty push back on but first I want to play you uh Max Crosby who was on with uh Bussin with the Boys and he called out Joey Bosa for complaining too much. Listen up. A couple games ago when dude had a meltdown and blaming the refs and I see dudes blaming the whole line man hold all the time refs don't call it like I'll never be that guy bro I think that's you know like that is so weak to me like you're gonna get held like I'm I know I get held all the time bro you watch the Rams last drive against us where I was getting literally tackled but I'm not gonna go and double down and go look like a little crybaby you know what I mean that's not me. I'll tell you this what I appreciate about the NFL a lot more than the NBA and I think this has just been this season there's been no juice with this NBA season yet and there's never been a day that I've wanted to come in here and and chat up about the NBA regular season so far like don't get I'm I'm all up to date with the storylines like I know the Celtics have been unbelievable uh the Bucks they're sitting there at 34 and 17 the Sixers and Nets are having good seasons you know I like what Donovan Mitchell is doing with the Cavs you get in the Western Conference the Nuggets have been great uh John Moran and the Grizzlies they continue to be a wonderful basketball team the Kings have emerged this year um I know the Warriors get off to a shaky start but now they're starting to put it together they've won three in a row Lucas still has no help with the Mavericks the Suns have been disappointing we'll start to see they get their act together the Pelicans are on a terrible losing streak right now I think they lost the last nine games in a row so like you know the storylines right the Lakers have been bad they're in danger of missing the postseason so you know what the storylines are in the NBA but there's been no juice for this NBA season and I'll say this and I just I randomly thought about this I didn't think we were going in this direction but now we are when I hear Max Crosby basically call out Joey Bosa like there is some legit animosity in the NFL and you saw it going into that AFC title game with Mike Hilton with the burrowhead nonsense and then that clearly motivated and and annoyed PO'd the Kansas City Chiefs like you don't get that in the NBA a lot like there aren't a lot of great rivalries right now in the NBA and there's just you know hatred's a strong word but if you use it in the sports world it's different than the regular world but I like when there's hatred in between teams I like when players call out other players and aren't just trying to be buddy buddy with everyone and I love watching LeBron James play but I say this all the time it's almost like LeBron wants to be friends with everyone like whenever someone does something well he tweets about it which is cool right because you give that player like the tip of the cap oh it's LeBron giving you the seal of approval but I would love to see it like LeBron had some legit hatred with some players that are up and coming in this league I think that's good and I think that is healthy hickey for sports where it seems like every everyone in the NBA is buddy buddy where the NFL and sure it could be a product of it being a physical violent deadly sport but it does seem like there's more hatred and more rivalries and animosity in the NFL compared to the NBA it's funny just I guess the timing wise today because I saw on twitter Micah Parsons was getting dragged because I guess he wished Lane Johnson like you said I hope they win the Super Bowl for the division it's actually funny and I'm glad you brought that up I'm getting annoyed with Micah Parsons these days that dude is is a mauler and he seems like he's commented on everybody now and he's giving like thumbs up to everybody don't do the LeBron method where you compliment everyone be be a vicious guy on the field and yeah you could have some friends off the field but I don't need you being buddy buddy with the entire league and yeah if I'm a Cowboys fan that's the irony is that is the rivalry Eagles and Cowboys where he got Micah Parsons wishing Lane Johnson like you could say Lane's a great player but wishing him luck that's like a little bit too far for me now he did say Jalen Hurts a good quarterback so I guess we could say but in one instance he's saying go Eagles another instance he's saying and kind of pouring a little extra fuel on the fire of that rivalry oh you're talking about going back to when he was he was wondering about the system with Von Miller and he goes are we sure Jalen Hurts is a good quarterback we sure or is it just the system so there has been a little bit of both with Micah Parsons at least so if you want to get out for being too nice yes I will say he has also stirred the pot and added a little extra juice now would you agree with me though like this NBA season it's kind of been boring so far I've been watching so it's like I think it's I think the games are enjoyable but in terms of you know right now we're gonna break it down as this eight game losing streak you know a thing for the Pelicans that's not really you know a national topic I would say right now yeah like what are the big topics from like we I just I rattled you off like eight or nine like what really moves the needle for you in this NBA because there's a difference right we could see crappy football we still watch yeah you always watch as a fan that's what you do but I just have not been excited about this NBA season nets have been interesting for me that's a team that I keep keep an eye on okay they've been actually better than expected their cohesion is better Jacques Vaughn actually seemingly has Kyrie locked in which is a shock how about that but you know storylines here and there what are your big moving storylines outside of the nets just wondering like I said I would agree there's a lot right now there's now you know a lot of them breaking down on Saturday mornings that's yeah like that actually that's that's a great way to say it how much basketball have you done on that Saturday morning show that you have uh I think right now so far none exactly and I get it right we're right in the thick of of coming off uh you're right towards the end of the finish line of of the NFL season we just had a wonderful college football season we know football moves the train but I'll tell you I I could use some drama here in the NBA I could use some hatred between individuals in the NBA because right now this has been a snooze fest of an NBA season so far really has been all right this uh Chiefs potential dynasty so Chiefs talked about dynasty dynasty dynasty like a lot of teams do after winning their first Super Bowl then the next year they got back to the Super Bowl but they lost then the year after that they lose in the AFC title game now they're back in the Super Bowl to win it to be a dynasty you got to get like three championships in four years three championships in five years you know you could even go three and six is probably like the look of a dynasty and right now they had the championship then the Super Bowl appearance lost the AFC title game loss if Kansas City wants to get back into that dynasty conversation they got a win coming up next weekend Hickey even if they don't repeat they got to go win two and three years if they want to enter back into this dynasty conversation and that is a big historical part of this game the road to the next NFL dynasty because we saw the Patriots dominate football because we saw the Patriots dominate football for 20 years if Kansas City goes up against Philadelphia and loses barring them then going back to back in the two seasons after that you could kind of really put that dynasty talk back on the on the back burner which it it did go on the back burner like last year when they lost to the to the bangles but now it's popping back up again and the water started to boil once again in the dynasty talk because of the fact that they're back in the Super Bowl let me ask you this how do you refer to the Patriots dynasty do they have one or two two now here's the thing that's a great question because it's Brady and Belichick and you look at them those are the two big figure pieces of that dynasty and they have six but I would say that it was two different ways of the dynasty it was the the new dynasty and then it was the old dynasty and then the the uh the new dynasty I personally look at it as one I know they had a 10-year gap between but I just when you are that dominant it's like outside of 07 it's like they were you know no man's land not winning they're in the playoffs every single year but but just real quickly you're not wrong but if they didn't have that second wave of championships you would have said the dynasty was from like now you would if they never had that second wave of championships they was just one one after that I think you're saying that that patriot dynasty was from 2001 to like 2000 I would agree with that yeah so that's why I just I asked you that for this reason if the Chiefs I don't know like like my home's not going anywhere so if we just look at a 10-year run and they win four and ten five and ten and we're looking at you know them again in the AFC title game most years like that I would say then that would be a dynasty but I get everyone three and four years but I'm saying like I think the window is long enough for if we're talking about a longer period of time that does lessen the pressure of winning three and four in my opinion okay I will say this though like if let's say they don't win a championship for another four years and then they pull off like three out of four after that that would be really the dynastic years of the Kansas City Chiefs goalie gummies get you so close to your goals you can actually taste them the trick simply start with bite-sized steps like goalies apple cider vinegar gummies with added b vitamins for daily health or goalie ashwagandha gummies to help you relax restore and unwind tastes like wellness just got a whole lot better and when goals taste this good it's easy to achieve them goalie taste your goals learn more at goalie.com today the biggest game of the year the super bowl is on odyssey and westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free sunday february 12th on the odyssey app the eagles have been the nfc's best team touchdown travis kelsey it's the eagles versus the chiefs the kansas city chiefs the philadelphia eagles are going to the super bowl again catch all the action from westwood 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