Does Buffalo Need A Dome? (Hour 1)

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A whole lot to do. Let's start things off with week 11 tonight that gets underway in the National Football League. And when I look at this matchup, it's really a matchup of the Green Bay Packers needing this one in the worst way possible. Because this is a game for Green Bay that they build up some momentum last week when they found the way to come from behind. They beat Dallas. And not that anyone walks away from that game and says the Packers are back.

But it makes you think, OK, there's at least somewhat of a buy in, somewhat of a level of intrigue, somewhat of a level of interest to say they're not dead yet. And that's the best way to describe the Packers. They're not jumping up and down. They're not looking like a team that is full of energy and a ball full of energy. But they could, if they get a win tonight, start to get the train back on the tracks. I swear, if you lose the game tonight, all the air just gets sucked right out of the balloon, pop. And you're really back to where you were right after that Detroit game of there's no consistency.

And if you lose tonight, you'd only have had one win since the start of October, which obviously would not be good. But you look back at that performance against Dallas and how they were able to win the game. I saw two things that were really clear on how the Packers won the game. They put an emphasis on running the football. They said we're going to limit Aaron Rodgers, which you raise an eyebrow, you go, is that really good decision?

He's our best player. But this offense does not have a guy that you could really trust right now. That means you're going to stretch the field vertically and throw the football to. There's just not that consistent wide receiver there.

So they look at the strength of this team. It's Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. And it was a heavy dose of both running backs up against the Dallas Cowboys. And I would anticipate that is the strategy tonight. But you're also going to need one of these wide receivers to break out. Now, I know Christian Watson did it last week.

He joined us on the show earlier this week. He was sensational, but he does not need to go have one hundred and seven yard performance and three touchdowns tonight. Sure, you'll take that.

Sure, that will be great. But you just need someone to take that baton, step up and give you somewhat of a positive play. Because if your game plan is just run, run, run, run, run, I don't think that's going to be enough. You're still going to need that big play to come to fruition at least one time for the Green Bay Packers to win. You know, let me tell you, even after the Packers beat the Cowboys, I was down on them.

I didn't really feel as if going into Tennessee they were going to be able to string back to back efforts. But the more and more I think about this game that's going to kick off in two hours from now, I lean Green Bay tonight. And I think the Packers do win the game tonight because here's the thing, desperation is massive in this sport. And that team in the Green Bay Packers last week, when they're down up against the Dallas Cowboys by two touchdowns, they could have just wilted under pressure, they could have folded, they could have packed it up and said, okay, it's just not our year, we're going to be destined to go 3-7.

The fact that they didn't and the fact that they got that game to overtime and were able to pull off that game in overtime, when you have a quick week, which none of these players like that Thursday night game, I do believe the advantage is in Green Bay's favor because Green Bay knows if they don't win this game, it's going to go back to, wow, what are the Packers? The Packers don't look like they're making the playoffs. The Packers have been disappointing where for Tennessee, yes, they lost last week. Yes, they had, you know, you look at the Tennessee Titans and what they were able to do. It's just like one of those scenarios where they're coming off a win, excuse me, against the Broncos and the week before they lose to the Chiefs where you don't need a real consistent effort by Tennessee right now and you don't have to have this game because when you look at Tennessee, they're just a team that they're easily going to win the AFC South. They're 6-3.

I don't think you're concerned and worried about the Jeffs. Saturday led 4-5-1 Indianapolis Colts on a quick turnaround and in a game that you have to have, that just screams to me when you look at the result of this game with Tennessee having some injuries that it's going to be sloppy. You know that Tennessee always has a good effort and that Mike Vrabel always has his team ready to go and they find a way even when they don't have the best quarterback in the world, they don't have all their guys, they're able to give efforts like what they were able to do two weeks ago against Kansas City and they just find a way to keep it close. Like I expect this game to be close tonight, but I just look at that level of desperation and I think it's just going to be greater from the Green Bay side and I'm going to err on the side that the Green Bay Packers are going to win the game tonight. And if the Packers win tonight, I'm not going to sit here and tell you, oh they're definitely going to make the playoffs, but they perk back up into the conversation because right now the 7th seed is 5-4, that's San Francisco. If you do get this win tonight in your Green Bay, you go to 5-6 and you at least keep that hope alive that there is a path.

If you don't win tonight, there really is no path. You have to pretty much be perfect down the stretch to get into the postseason and this is a Green Bay Packers team as they have clearly displayed up against the Giants, up against the commanders, up against the Bills, even in a win last week, that they are very far away from being a perfect team, from being a great team, from being a dominant team again. So I'm just going to rely on the home team tonight, I'm going to rely that there's some magic cooking up at Lambeau Field and I think the Packers are going to find a way to at least keep their hopes alive of getting to the postseason for a few more weeks and we'll see them what they could take care of business down the stretch where you look at the remaining schedule after tonight for the Green Bay Packers, they have Philadelphia, tough game. You have Chicago, Justin Fields playing better. You have the Rams, not been a good team. Dolphins been one of the better teams in the league.

Vikings already killed you. They've been one of the better teams in the league and then you end things out with the Lions who you just lost a few weeks ago 16-9 when the offense could do nothing and Aaron Rodgers threw three interceptions. So I think it's a close game tonight. It would not surprise me whatsoever if Tennessee does win the game, but I am leaning and I'm surprised I'm actually leaning on the side of the Green Bay Packers because on Monday I thought that Tennessee was going to win. On Tuesday I thought Tennessee was going to win. Yesterday, if you would have asked me, I would have said Tennessee as well. Today I woke up and I just thought, hmm, Green Bay's the more desperate team. Short week, Tennessee banged up.

They really don't need this game. You know that they're going to win the AFC South, so I like the Packers tonight to take care of business, especially on the Roy Butler night too at Lambeau Field. How can you lose when the inventor of the Lambeau leap is in the house as he'll get his name put up in the Ring of Honor, the Pro Football Hall of Famer.

So, Hickey, where are you at in this game? I know you hate the Tennessee Titans and you like the Green Bay Packers, so are you with me that the Green Bay Packers are going to win the game tonight? Or is this one of those rare instances where you actually say on national radio and you actually have these words come out of your mouth that Tennessee is going to win the game because you usually, just they're very disrespectful to the Tennessee Titans and you usually pick them to lose and you're usually wrong when it comes to your predictions with the Tennessee Titans. How do you do? You mentioned it. I hate the Titans.

You do? By far the most hated team in the NFL for yours truly. That said, I think they're winning tonight. This has a Mike Ray Bowl game written all over it. I don't trust this Packers offense continuing what they did on Sunday against the Cowboys.

I think it's a nice game, but I don't think it's repeatable for sure. I know the Titans are banged up. This just feels like with Mike Ray Bowl and how he's always able, no matter who's playing, who's not, short week, long week, doesn't matter. He has the guys ready to play.

He by far gets the most out of his roster compared to any other coach in the NFL. I think they're going to go into Lambeau, win a tough, gritty game. Derek Henry's going to get the ball, get the ball a lot.

They're going to win, let's say, 2017. I'm actually with you on the score. I think this is like a 2017, 23-20 type of game, and that does, I think, benefit Green Bay a little bit more. Not that Tennessee is this high-octane offense by any stretch, but you do have the dominant force of Derek Henry. You know where their offense is coming from. Green Bay just has not put up a lot of points this year. And you say it's not sustainable what they did last week. I just want you to clarify.

Are you talking about the Christian Watson production? Because, yeah, that's an outlier when the guy gets three touchdowns, but you would think he's capable of getting a touchdown tonight, right? Not really.

Why should I believe it? They did a really good game, but this offense, for the most part, for Green Bay passing-wise, has been anemic. It's been inept. I don't think one game is going to all of a sudden be like, oh, they figured it out.

Rookie, though, transitioning into the league, has had some injuries. Maybe he starts to ride a little bit of a momentum wave and starts to salvage this season down the stretch. I actually feel pretty confident tonight that Christian Watson is going to get a little Zach Gelb show karma, and he's going to find a way to get into the end zone. I may or may not have placed a wager this morning at plus 190, and how I know that number means that I did place that wager, on Christian Watson anytime touchdown. And I also like A.J.

Dillon. Over on rushing yards, only 33-and-a-half, I think this formula, what Green Bay established last week, where they in other weeks have gone to it and then have gone away from it, that's what intrigues me the most. Are they going to stick with that formula of run, run, run, run, run? Because as you pointed out and I pointed out a few weeks ago, even though it sounds bizarre to say take the ball out of Aaron Rodgers' hands, the best way for Green Bay to get on a momentum wave, to find a way to start to get back in the right direction in the interim is to run the football as much as possible. And I would be surprised tonight with how successfully it worked against a very good defense in Dallas. And now you're going up against another good defense in Tennessee. If now Matt LaFleur, who gets all this credit and I think is a tad overrated, if he goes into the game tonight with Rodgers also screaming at him last week on the sidelines, run the damn ball, run the bleeping ball, if he goes away from the run game tonight, I would think heavy dose of the run, the run sets up the pass, and then that's when you hit the pop for Christian Watson for a touchdown.

But that's an intriguing point to me tonight, Ryan. How much are they going to run the ball? Because if they go away from that run game early and it's different than what it's been, like in that Lions game, like you saw against the Bills, right? They started to run the football more.

And the Lions game, they went back to the heavy pass. They have to find a way now to consistently just go in with the mentality that we're going to be a run first offense now when you look at the Green Bay Packers. And can they run the ball? I mean, look, their offensive line for the Packers is banged up. The Titans are a pretty good run defense. Like if you can't run the ball, can you rely on Aaron Rodgers? I know it's crazy to throw out there and question it. But even if Christian Watson gets one touchdown, can anyone else step up and can they get two or three more through the air?

I feel like the answer right now is no. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's going to have to come in the ground. I think you bank on one through the air and the rest is all going to be on the ground with Aaron Jones getting you into the red zone. And then once you're in the red zone, you hand it off to the big back in A.J.

Dillon, and he muscles his way into the end zone. That's what I think the approach is tonight. We'll see what happens. You're in the red zone 20 to 17 and you're taking Tennessee, is what you're telling me? Unfortunately, yes. You're taking the Tennessee Titans. It pains me to say it, honestly. It's kind of a depressing Thursday now.

No, I don't know. I heard you walking around the newsroom after that big win for Jeff Saturday up against the Raiders, and I heard there was some optimism. You're saying the playoff pushes back on maybe for the Colts.

That's what a little Bernie told me. When you're led by a coach who's never lost a game, I mean, who really is to go? That's marinade of a sarcasm, right? No, but you're crazy with this football team. You are a sucker for the Colts, and they so easily reel you back in. Where are you at in your percentage on the Colts could potentially go make the playoffs now? Oh, like 1%. Yeah, there's no playoff push.

Some may even say you're a little delirious with 1%. No, no, come on. Look, AFC stinks. We'll give them 1%, but that's it. No, Tennessee's not choking up.

No, not them. I'm saying the rest of the playoff picture. Oh, stop it. You got two teams in the AFC East, three teams in the AFC, four teams in the AFC East. All four teams in the AFC East are better than you guys.

Then you look at the North, whoever finishes in seconds is going to be better than you guys, and the Chargers are better than you guys. We'll see. Let's play it out. Oh, stop it. Now we're back to we'll see. You are such a fraud. You're such a liar. Where now you're all giddy after one win in a game that you thought they had no chance in.

I'm still not even rooting for them to win. I'm just saying. I don't know. I have a little ring cam in your house, and I saw that ring cam, and I saw you jumping up and down doing the worm when Jeff Saturday was pumping his fist, walking off that field up against the Las Vegas Raiders. Some even said you were in Las Vegas this past week.

You were partying up. You were in that. You were in that jacuzzi in the end zone, that jacuzzi club that they have in the end zone in Las Vegas. There's a jacuzzi in there? I don't know if there's jacuzzi. I just said it.

I thought it sounded good. There's some nightclub, though. Josh Rosen is the owner. They have some club. There's a high club.

I know that. There's a jacuzzi in the middle. I'm in. That'd be pretty cool. Probably makes sense. I probably would think there's a pool probably in that club. There's Josh Rosen's new NFL career.

Yeah, that's true. He'd give you the attendant. Hey, get me some chicken fingers and a beer, all right? Who are you? Oh, you're Josh Rosen? Wow.

How the mighty have fallen. It is the Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio. Who wins the game tonight? Is it Green Bay or is it Tennessee? Hickey's going Tennessee.

He loves the Titans now. 20 to 17. I'm also going 20 to 17. You know, let's be a little bit different. I'll go 23-20.

We'll be drastically different there. But I will take the Green Bay Packers tonight. Go, Pack! Go! We'll take a timeout when we come on back. The NFL is getting soft and NFL fans are getting soft. Get your winter coats on.

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Download the Odyssey app today. You're listening to the Zach Gelb Show. Well, let's get a snow in Buffalo. Starting tonight, I believe I read, all the way through Saturday, they're expected to get anywhere from three to six feet of snow. So the NFL swooped in and said, yeah, we're not going to run the risk of not getting this game in or having to move the game back because the resources are going to be gone.

Need to be given to the community to get everyone out of the snow and all that. So we'll just move the game to Detroit. And I don't know if the bills are going to stay in Detroit afterwards. I have no clue because they do then play on Thanksgiving Thursday. And that obviously is going to be in Detroit, as it is the Lions and the Buffalo Bills. But you will have Bills and Browns in Detroit this weekend, Sunday, Wednesday. In Detroit this weekend, Sunday, one o'clock, originally planned to be in Buffalo, but because of the snow, it's going to get moved to Detroit. And I feel as if we got robbed of, and first off, you hope everyone's safe, clearly, but I feel as if we got robbed of a potential great scene where you could barely even see the game because there's so much snow in the area.

You have to beg fans to come to the stadium to help shovel out the stadium, and you give them game tickets and stuff like that. You get the snowman, Deon Dawkins, helping people out. But not only that, imagine a tailgating Buffalo hickey with three to six feet of snow, mustard, ketchup, getting thrown on people, that Pinto Ron guy or whatever his name is. You have people shirtless in that crazy weather, just jumping probably off snow banks into tables. We're really getting robbed of what could have been a spectacular scene on Sunday in Orchard Park. Nothing better than snow games. This would have been my favorite game of the week if this was played in Buffalo in the snow. Bills, Browns on the surface, not really, but this would have been tremendous to watch guys trudging through just feet of snow. It would have been awesome.

I loved all the jokes on Twitter today, too. Oh, well, Nick Chubb is five feet seven inches, and you take a look at Devin Motor Singletary is also short. I think it was, no, Devin Motor Singletary is like five seven, and then it's Nick Chubb is five eleven, something like that.

Yeah, five nine, five eleven, they're both under. And you're supposed to get six feet of snow. Now, the field would be plowed, but if the snow's coming down still during the game, that could be problematic. But I would have loved to have seen those little guys who are really good running backs run the football in all that snow. That would have been fun.

I think that probably would have been the most intriguing thing to tune into for this game. See if they can see above the snow. The handoff to Nick Chubb, the snow is at his knee. Talk to the guy and you can't see him.

Creeping up to his neck. So, hey, they're going to move the game because the way that I read it, this was not a Buffalo Bills call. This was more so consulting and counseling with state officials, and they didn't want to have to use any of the resources to get a Bills game going that could take away from keeping people safe with three to six feet of snow coming, so they're going to move the game to Detroit.

It is what it is, but I do feel like we got robbed of an opportunity. But I feel as if we got in so soft in our world now that whenever you have something like this, when you have to move a game or a new stadium's being built, you have a percentage of people that are just your whiners, your complainers, your no-fun people that go, oh, see, this is why the Bills' new stadium needs a roof on it. I've been to Buffalo for countless games.

I went to Buffalo, now it wasn't snowing, but it was negative two degrees for that playoff game where the Patriots just had no shot up against the Buffalo Bills. It's just something about going to an environment when you have a football game, playoff game or not, and this would be a regular season, when it's a blizzard or when it's freezing. And as a fan, even though you got to wear seven layers of clothes, you got to have the triple socks, the quadruple socks, you got to have the heavy boots, you got to bring cardboard out to stand on in the concrete stands to help you out. You need to make sure you have hand warmers and all that stuff, the hat, and you look as if you went to the buffet before the game with how many layers of clothing that you have to wear.

I just think that's an awesome experience to have. I am so against, and I can't stand, whenever we have a certain crowd that just goes, oh, we need a roof, we need a roof on a stadium, especially in a place like Buffalo. You look at the fit and the feel of a city. When I think Buffalo, I think food, I think family, I think football, and I think of bad weather. Now, you could logically go, oh, well, if it's bad weather, Zach, wouldn't you want to avoid that? But doesn't that create such a great home field advantage? If you're a Bills fan, and let's say you get a home playoff game or two, or maybe the entire road travels through Buffalo, imagine a snowstorm in Buffalo right before a Bills playoff game, and I don't know, you get the Los Angeles Chargers, or you get some team like the Dolphins, right, who have to deal with the sun and everything. Down in Florida, the Bills were bitching about a few weeks ago. Imagine them having to come into a tough environment like Buffalo, not only the fans, but also have to deal with the terrible, terrible weather. Heck yeah, I don't know where you stand on this, but I hate the idea of a city like Buffalo, of all places, having to have a dome. Like if the Patriots built a new stadium, and I've been to a lot of bad weather games at Foxborough, I would be irate if Robert Kraft put a roof on top of Gillette Stadium whenever they decide to renovate Gillette Stadium or build a new stadium.

Gillette's not that old, it's like 20-something years old, but I would be furious if they took that out of it. Did the words football weather just disappear from our vocabulary? Is that like not a thing anymore? A lot of people, you know, why would you want to sit through that? Oh, it's inconvenient. Oh, people are crazy to do that. That's what happens now.

We've become such a soft society where you take away anything that builds a little character, anything that builds a little toughness. I remember going to games and my uncle would say, we're not leaving, we're staying for all four quarters. Make sure you have your gloves, make sure you have your socks, make sure you're in the proper attire, and you're going to sit there and my uncle would say, if you're crying because you want to leave, well, those tears are going to freeze. That's what he would say to me. Okay, but now, well, let's put a dome on the roof on the new stadium in Buffalo.

Like what? It's Buffalo. That's the last place that needs a dome. Now, I could get from a money standpoint why people would want to do it, because then you could get, you know, big time events like a Super Bowl or you could get a Final Four. But is the Final Four, I know they've had NCAA tournaments, is the Final Four going to Buffalo if you have a roof on the place?

Probably not. Is Buffalo getting a Super Bowl? Probably not because you still have to deal, and they've gone to cold weather cities like Minnesota for a Super Bowl, you still have to deal with some bad weather for all the other events leading up to the game. So I don't want to hear about this dome nonsense. Oh, because it snows a lot in Buffalo and it's freezing all the time in Buffalo, we need to now put a roof on the place.

That would bother me. Like imagine at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, which by the way is a terrible stadium, in New York, the New Jersey area, they put a roof on top of that building. Remember growing up as a kid? I'm sure your dad, I know your dad wasn't a Giants fan, he was a Colts fan, but he would talk about the swirling winds at the old Giants stadium, right?

They'd always talk about that stuff. Football weather, I'm still a fan of football weather. Maybe that's just because I love football, I'm crazy, I'm a nut, and I'll be someone that will go to these games in the freezing cold. But the idea that we can't have these crazy weather games anymore and every stadium should have a dome on it, it's the definition of insanity and it's the definition of jackassery.

And there's a lot of problems in our country. And there's a lot of things that I speak up against and out against. But if you're someone that is willing to say, yeah, let's go put a dome in Buffalo, I'm not willing to defend you. I am not.

I think you're crazy, I think you're stupid, and I think you should change your beliefs. That's just the way that I feel about it. You have last year Packers, 49ers, great NFC divisional round game in the snow.

That's not allowed anymore, I guess. You have Miami, Tampa Bay, you thrive in the heat, thrive in the humidity. So if a cold road team like Buffalo goes down, are we going to put it now?

Is that what? The Dolphins can have a home field advantage because it's hot, that's okay? Yeah, their sideline's like 30 degrees cooler. You know, let's put a roof on Hard Rock Stadium.

As soon as you get to the cold, that's not allowed? Let's just play in the elements. I don't understand why all of a sudden now this is a big deal or a talking point. And if you build a roof, you build a roof. Like, there's SoFi Stadium, they have a roof on top of that place. It's an unbelievable stadium. It's a great stadium. But in a northeast place, there is no reason for a dome to be in New Jersey, to be in Buffalo, to be in Foxborough.

That just doesn't make sense. Like, you want to just ruin history in the NFL? Let's never have another Ice Bowl again or something like that? There's some great cold weather games in the history of the NFL. And it's always a spectacle.

And a lot of times the game isn't made for the people that are in the stands, it's made for the people on television. And it's so cool when you just see large grown men running around in the snow trying to score a touchdown. Like the snowball between the Raiders and the Patriots. If Foxborough had a roof on it, we may not even ever have a tuck rule. Because maybe with the ball falling around and everything in the snow and everyone diving on top of each other, Lonny Paxton doing snow angels in the end zone after Adam Vinatieri kicked the game-winning kick, you want to rob us of those moments? Like I remember as a kid watching Patriots Dolphins, where Teddy Brewski picked off a pass, ran into the end zone, and then started throwing snow at all the fans.

That was awesome. But let's take that away. I don't know, maybe it's just because when I grew up going to games, I went to a lot of cold weather games and I thought that was the coolest thing as a kid.

So I don't want to make kids unhappy now that get then deprived of that moment, but who knows with this new generation? Maybe this new generation, they just want to go to games in shorts, T-shirt, and flip flops, and not have to deal with the cold, and not build character. Not that we're old men here, hot take hickey, but we had character-building moments growing up going to some cold games.

Well, at least I did. I don't know about you, because you're a Colts fan and they always play indoors. Maybe that's why your football team is soft. Back in my day, you know, you'd walk up the ramps uphill both ways. I'd walk into the stadium up the hill, and then leaving the stadium would be even uphill even more.

It is the Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio. We'll take a break. When we come on back, the Raiders are frugal, and that's maybe why Josh McDaniels will continue to keep his job. We'll get into that story next. We'll get into that story next. We'll get into that story next. We'll get into that story next. We'll get into that story next. We'll get into that story next. We'll get into that story next. We'll get into that story next.

We'll get into that story next. We don't like domes in cold weather cities, and also we will talk about the cash pour Raiders coming up in a bit. It is the Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio, and hickey, that may be the greatest irony of all this. Is that I'm complaining for the last 10 minutes about this game being moved from Buffalo in Detroit which is a cold weather city when you look at that. Who does have a dome? Mm-hmm but still I'm not a fan of it like if you if you were grandfathered in that's one thing but if you are a place like Buffalo that's never had a dome why go to a dome now 8 5 5 2 1 2 4 CBS 8 5 5 2 1 2 42 27 let's take some calls here Scott in California first up on the Zach Gelb show Scott what do you say hey guys hey Zach I really like your energy I like to show and hot take Hickey I work with that name Hickey and you came out with a great nickname versus what we have for that guy anyway my question is this I'm not a diehard Vikings fan and I was just asking you guys why do you believe that the Vikings are 1.5 dogs in Minnesota against the Cowboys this weekend yeah it does feel like the Vikings should win this game and I think what the reason is is because Vegas thinks the Cowboys are gonna win it I would imagine they think they're gonna have an emotional letdown maybe and it's gonna be tough to move on from that craziness against Buffalo and Dallas is coming off an emotional game where they lost so I think this is Vegas basically begging you to plus the points with the Vikings and they're banking on the Cowboys to win that's probably the best that I have for you but I do think the Vikings are a better team than the Cowboys but I think this is a coin flip type of game I think it's gonna be another close game this weekend for your Vikings thank you guys yeah no problem Scott appreciate it and the Vikings are a good team you know they ate him one but they are getting disrespected and I know some people will say oh we don't really look into the numbers oh we don't really follow that stuff all the players that say that they're lying to you players read the players they listen they hear everything that's being said about them and they use the littlest things for motivation and you come off a win like that you're eight and one you have a team that's six and three and you're a point and a half underdog yeah that is a little bit of a slap in the face but you get a bitch about it or you're gonna go out there and take care of business because for the Minnesota Vikings they have a team that you look at the weapons Jefferson, Cook, Thielen, Osborn, Madison, Hawkinson defensively we know what Patrick Peterson is Adarius Smith, Kendricks they got a good team and in this entire NFC you're looking around at everyone and it's okay the Eagles now have a loss the Vikings have a loss we'll see if Dallas could really start to put it together you look at a team like the 49ers they have a lot of talent Tampa they get them back into it we know they're gonna win the NFC South there's not a team that you really love in the NFC there's a lot of teams that you like and I do like Philadelphia and I like Minnesota probably the best two teams in my opinion in the NFC but we'll see others who really play out in the next month or two but for Minnesota if they if they win this game and they go to nine and one I think then they won't be a dog for the rest of the season like Ryan if they go to nine and one will they be a dog the rest of the way they play the Patriots you would think on a short week and that game in Minnesota the Vikings would be a favorite they play the Jets in Minnesota you think the Vikings would be a favorite at Detroit the Vikings would be a favorite Indianapolis the Vikings would be a favorite the Giants I think the Vikings are a better team than the Giants even though the Giants are seven and two end of the year maybe in Green Bay depending on what Green Bay is at maybe Green Bay is the favorite in that game and then Chicago so this may be the last time this year that the cat that the Vikings are a dog but the only way that I could interpret that right unless you have another thought or idea here is that I really think Vegas is begging to plus the one and a half points this week with Minnesota where people will just look at the record say oh you have a team that's eight and one compared to a team that's six and three and they're begging to take Minnesota because I think Vegas believes that the cow was here to win the game yeah I'm with you cuz either you know a letdown spot like we see in college football a lot where teams get just you're so emotionally spent that it's just it's hard to get up for the next game or and they have been living dangerous like that it was a great game against Buffalo but also you're trying to buy 17 points you needed a crazy fumble something we've really never seen before go your way to get you know get a win they played a lot of close games that's why some people are skeptical in the Vikings right now I'd rather play close games and win then have these lopsided affairs obviously or play close games and and not have it go your way like clearly you're gonna take the wins as they come but no one could have expected in all these close games that they would be winning all these there's only one game where they really haven't been competitive this year and that's Philadelphia but you look at the Green Bay game they sent the statement week one they get blown out by Philadelphia after that they beat the Lions by four they beat the Saints by three they beat the Bears by six you beat the Dolphins 24 to 16 the Cardinals 34 to 26 the commanders by three and the bills by three a lot of close games when you look at that a lot of less than a touchdown less than a point type of games but like I say you don't apologize for winning no you ate him one and right now with how open the NFC is if I'm a Vikings fan I'm saying why is it our year that's what I'd be saying if I'm a Vikings fan let's go to Willie in Arizona next up on the Zach Young show Willie go ahead how you doing Zach first time caller appreciate it Willie what he got hey I got something and I'm first of all I'm 51 years old I've seen everything on football and you know what I get it I get the ice I get the snow I get the water but you know what when have we become when do we become so selfish instead of thinking a bus we're not thinking like a human that these guys are getting hurt and really bad I played soccer in college I will not play in the ice you know when they slide you have to jump if not you'll see another seismic incident but Willie these guys play in stadiums that have roofs on it with turf that all the players complain about because the turf's unsafe and that's not because the elements I don't think you're getting a ton of injuries if you played a game in the snow you could get the same amount of injuries if you go play a game in a dome that has turf on it that all these players hate so I don't think it's being not thinking about the players because I want to see a cold weather game we've had football being played for years and years and years and I know it's not always been that it's not a safe sport we all know that it's a lethal sport but I don't think you're to see a ton of more injuries because you're getting the game played in the snow if anything doesn't it slow it down more hickey well yeah you guys sliding but you're not having a lot of explosive plays a lot of crazy cuts in a game like that hey you're more worried like tearing a groin yeah foot slips then like getting crunched by a linebacker running full speed you are right about that but you go into a dome stadium with turf on it and all those players say that's terrible and they fear tearing their ACL so I don't think the argument for that is oh yeah we need to have domes because we can't play cold weather games because there's gonna be a lot of injuries if you play a cold weather game it is Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio how about this report from Bill Plaske so he was on around the horn which he's been a panelist on for years and he said that the Raiders are cash poor which has been talked about a lot with Mark Davis to different levels and he say I'm saying right now Josh McDaniels be the coach this year and next year the Raiders don't have the money to fire him to pay him off Plaske said they are cash poor here we go again Ryan we have an owners in place and Mark Davis and we don't know all of his finances but there's been a lot of conversations throughout the years about how his finances aren't in the best spot compared to the other rich people that are in the owners club and now if that's true that they're not gonna bring back or they're gonna bring back Josh McDaniels because they don't want to be paying the settlement with Gruden and then have to afford this other contractor they just committed to that's not a good look for the NFL more importantly that's not a good look for the Raiders but if you do recall when we started to talk about Josh McDaniels and you started to celebrate because of how much you hate Josh McDaniels I said to you I still still think he'll be back next year because it's tough to believe that the Raiders are then gonna be paying pretty much three coaches at the same time whatever the payment plan is however they figured out the payout in the John Gruden settlement that's one coach that's not coaching the team that if McDaniels isn't coaching the team next year you got to pay him and then whoever yet you hire whatever whiz kid on the offensive a defensive side of ball whatever coach from college that you'd bring in you have to pay another coach so to me Josh McDaniels gonna be back next year and I said that now for weeks and and I'll stick by that even though this is really ugly right now with the team's bad performance on the field the good luck for them which then also could be bad news is this week you get the Broncos who you already beat you would think and I'm leaning towards taking the points with the Raiders plus three and I think the Raiders will win the game and I think they have more on offense even with all their injuries because this Denver team they can't score with anyone but Denver has a really good defense and you can flip it the other way the Raiders don't have a good defense so maybe this is the week the Broncos pick up in on offense if you are right if Bill Plasky is right that the main reason the only reason why Joshua Daniels is still employed is because basically Mark Davis is too poor to pay two or three coaches at a time guys tell the team yeah I like you that's I know it's you know it's not fair the fans and I know you know you look at a guy dance night who's gotten away with basically murder for the last 20 years and it's still there but you're right you can't hold a fan base hostage you can't alienate what is a massive fan base of the Raiders because your owner can't afford I mean I know we're throwing this numbers around like it's willy-nilly but like 10 million dollars to buy out Joshua Daniels or pay him 10 million pay another coach 5 million like you got to be able to make these like a forward to make moves like this especially when you're in Vegas now trying to build up an enterprise well everything you always win you may not be winning on the field but when it comes to the the state of the sport the sport as a whole is never going to be in a bad financial spot with the 10 11 12 billion dollars that they make year in and year out so we always sit back and we say look at everything that goes on that we could have a problem with in the NFL but still the majority of owners are happy so if it's one or two that are some weak links as history has shown you in different levels they tend to put up with a lot and tend to put up with maybe what is not right I agree with what you're saying but you know he's not going anywhere for the foreseeable future especially when you come from a football family they will give him a long leash here Mark Davis oh and you're right but it's embarrassing it's pathetic and let's say you're holding a fan base hostage which is not a good luck so sure again when you're so heavily invested in Vegas all the gambling there I don't love going one and done like I want to see if Josh but like if Josh McDaniel could turn around I'm not saying I would expect it he has shown you before that he's not a good head coach and this has been a bad really bad start to the year but after one year I always think if you hire someone and this is different because I usually say in hires it's a rebuild so you wash the first year then the second year it's improved third you make the playoffs he was taking over playoff team so that's why there's more of a call to be one and done because this team was 10 and 7 and now they're sitting in at 2 and 7 same amount of losses but they had last year at the end of the season they have right now and we're just starting week 11 so when I look at this and when I evaluate this yeah I could see why there is a call for one and done but I usually err on the side of not going one and done and bringing them back and I just want to say I want to see what happens cuz part of me also loves a disaster and I don't want to see if they can figure out the disaster well that may be the last straw because the Broncos are horrible that could be the last draw your guy Nathaniel hack yeah if you lose to the Daniel hack it then you're the idiot and then you got to go then maybe I'll be tweeting out like you did the other day McIdiot or McDuffus maybe I'll do a little spin-off you go McIdiot I go McDuffus when talking about Josh McDaniels football season is here the new Odyssey app lets you stay connected to your NFL team your station your shows follow your favorite stations and come back again and again get real-time updates on everything you care about miss your show jump back to their awesome rewind feature the Odyssey app is NFL football live and on demand wherever you are whenever you want and do we mention it's all free download the Odyssey app today the listening you love is on the free Odyssey app your trusted local radio stations coverage of your favorite teams live news from your hometown and millions of podcasts on demand best of all you can completely customize your listening 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