Surprise NFL Head Coach Retirings? (Hour 4)

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An overtime and a man that was at the stadium for the Vikings Radio Network is the former Vikings linebacker and a good friend to the Zach Gelb show in Ben Lieber. Ben, how you been? Zach, I've been great, man. How you doing? I'm doing fantastic. Just take me through how you processed that game on Sunday.

I saw one video of you today jumping up and down on the sideline like a maniac, and it was awesome. But how'd you process that one? Well, I think I kind of have to echo a lot of what the players were saying after the game. They were like, hey, man, we have no words. We have no words to describe what just happened.

And that's kind of the truth. I mean, was it an awesome game? Yes. Was it wild? Yes. Was it straight bananas?

Yes. Like, every emphatic word you can come up with, it almost hits it, but not quite. This is not a word that I think that's strong enough to describe the ups and downs, the ebbs and flows. At one point in time, when we didn't score right at basically the six inch line, it was defeat. You were defeated. You were like, okay, well, let's start thinking about what this almost win kind of means for this team. And then all of a sudden, next series of events is just bananas and we win the game.

Yeah. When Jefferson makes that catch, I'm like, okay, they're going to go then get down the field and get a touchdown. Then you're at the one yard line, even after Dalvin Cook drops the ball. I go, oh yeah, they'll go get that play. And once they don't get, I'm like, oh yeah, the game's over. And then when the fumble occurred, I go, oh, maybe it's a safety.

Who knows? And then when it was a touchdown, that was the craziest part of that game. There were so many moments. The Jefferson catch, I thought it was picked at first. The fumble, I thought maybe it was a safety, then it's a touchdown. It's like you weren't even able to see any of these crazy plays actually happen.

I know. Well, the funny thing is, um, the Justin Jefferson fourth and was the 18 catch. Um, I was, I was, you know, kind of right there, maybe, maybe 10, 10 yards away from him. And I knew it was a great catch. I was kind of like, you know, in that moment, just celebrating the fact that like he caught it. And then it wasn't until after the game that I saw the replay and like, I didn't realize even in real time, cause it happened so fast that man, the defender had, you know, 10 fingers on the ball at one point in time. Like he, he, he had the ball secured.

Um, and I don't know how he came down with that. So I was, I was more in awe after the fact, um, because you know, everything just kind of happened. So accelerated, it was the catch and then it was like, you know, the often thrown up to the line of scrimmage. And it was like, Holy cow, I can't believe we just caught that.

And where we moved the chains, like all of that was just happening so fast. I didn't get a full appreciation until after the game of just how incredible that catch was. Ben Lieber here with us. This is a really likable team. Um, and I'm saying that from afar, you're tapped in, but just from afar, having no dog in the fight, this is an easy team to root for this year in Minnesota.

Yeah. You know, that's, that's not the first time I've ever heard anybody really say that about a team. So I do appreciate that.

I do think that that's, I feel the same way. There's, there's a lot of likable characters and players on the team, you know, starting with the GM and the head coach. Um, they are really genuine, nice guys, you know, and they kind of built a staff that reflects all of that. You know, the staff is really easy to work with, or they're just a bunch of normal guys that, uh, obviously are football guys, but they're not, you know, they don't have this air of, you know, ego and, um, you know, this bravado that, you know, I think some old school coaches kind of walk around with.

So they're all very approachable. Um, the players, the same thing, you know, starting with Zadarius, you know, adding him in the off season, he's been nothing but just a ball of sunshine. Like every time he's around, he's around the media, he's just big smiles and he's gregarious. And he and the Neil are pounding around trying to create this dynamic duo and it's kind of working out right now. So, uh, Kirk, obviously with Kirk, oh, um, you know, it's kind of taken the whole NFL by storm. I mean, they're, they're just having a lot of fun.

And I, I do think that they are just a likable team and easy team to root for. Are you going to start dressing up like how Kirk cousins dresses up after no, the funny thing is, come on, Ben, I saw you tick tocking when the pandemic started. I think you could dress, you know, put the chains on and start taking your shirt off and dancing like Kirk cousins. I gotta, I gotta admit, man, I didn't realize that he had that good of a body. I'm like, you know, I've been out in the league for over 10 years now.

Like I don't have a body like that. So the Kirk and pulled off way better than I can right now. And it seems like in that locker room, people know what the narrative is about Kirk cousins. And I've said it before, I think he's a good quarterback, a very good quarterback. Come postseason time.

We'll see in putt up or shut up moments if he's going to be consistently able to deliver. This team's really rallied around the way that their quarterback is talked about though. Yeah, they really have. I think, you know, internally, I've heard for a number of years that they they know that, you know, Kirk is not exactly the persona that everybody thinks that he is, you know, this guy that, you know, basically drives a van at times and it's kind of leans into this, this dorky dad character.

You know, he, he does have some of that to him, but you know, they've seen a different, a different side of him in the locker room. And I think this year now that he has full ownership of the team and they're not walking on eggshells, you know, they're, they're just letting Kirk just, you know, let it fly. And they've embraced it. They obviously encourage it, which is a lot of fun.

Um, but they also know that he's just, he's just a genuine guy that is, you know, has his silly moments, um, can be a dorky dad at times too. And they're cool with that. Is it just as simple as a new coach comes in and you made it clear on this show a few months ago that Ben, Ben Lieber with us, that Kirk Cousins and Mike Zimmer didn't get along and Mike Zimmer didn't like Kirk Cousins. It's just as simple as the new coaching staff gives this team a new sense of belief.

And that's why they're eight and one. Yeah, I don't think it's that simple, but it's certainly, it certainly helps, you know, um, I think, you know, every, every new coaching change has an opportunity with a clean slate and to create a new culture. And every, every coach talks about that. And, you know, it's just, it's just been fortunate that this is a culture that the guys have bought into.

And I don't think there's really one, you know, one exact ingredient that went in that's like all of a sudden poof and it's completely different. You know, I think from the very start, um, you know, KOC had a plan. He was very confident in his plan and in his approach. Um, the players bought into it, you know, pretty quickly. And obviously when you start railing off some wins and you start proving that you are resilient team, that's just going to build confidence and then the buy into what the methodology is, is it's going to go deeper and deeper.

So, yeah, I know, I know how winds can kind of do that. Sometimes they can make you sweep some things under the rug, but I think in this situation, it's, it's full on buy into the, to their process and to their culture. When it comes to Jim Harbaugh, we know that they were clearly talking what they had that eight, nine hour interview process that never ended in that one day. Were they ever close to hiring him?

I don't think so. You know, I think that there were some people, um, there were some people that I think really enjoyed his interview and they liked his personality and they liked the style. Um, and then I heard there's equal parts that are like, no, you know, we, that's not really the direction we want to go.

Uh, nothing against him. It's just, you know, we want to go a little bit, you know, younger, um, a different sort of energy and a different vibe. So I don't think it was as close as maybe we thought at the time. Um, but you know, it was worth kicking the tires on and, uh, and just see if he, you know, blew everybody out of the water. I mean, it was worth a try.

Hey, eight and one is eight and one. Uh, you know, that Minnesota fan base though has been tortured throughout the years. Where's the confidence of the fan base right now? You know, I, I think, you know, until honestly Zach, until they actually hoist the Lombardi, I don't, I don't think that there's going to be a scenario where the fan base isn't just waiting for the other shoe to drop. I mean, I hate to say it like that.

I just think that, you know, they've been tortured for so many years. They've had some teams that have just been, um, absolutely electric and you feel like, you know, they are the team to beat and, and they get let down. So I, I understand it.

I get it. I think the difference though is this year is the fan base really is taking it like the team is like sort of game by game. They're just like, Hey, this is, this is great. Let's just enjoy every single win and not look too far out. You know, I haven't heard anybody that's realistic about like, Oh man, I'm, I'm buying my, my playoff tickets now, or I'm going to get my plane ticket to Arizona.

Like none of that stuff is happening. They're just, um, I think they're very honest about where the team is. Um, they understand that even this weekend, they're like, Hey, we're, we're underdogs at home against Dallas.

Like we still have things to prove. Um, so I kind of liked the mentality where the fan base is now. Where's your confidence level at though, that this could be a super bowl team. Because for me, before this year started, I thought Ben Lieber, Minnesota was going to be a wildcard team. I didn't think they'd win the division. Now they're clearly going to win the division, but with how open the NFL is this year, I kind of say, why not? Like, why can't they get to a super bowl?

Yeah. I mean, that's, that's obviously at the beginning of the year, we didn't know what the rest of the league was going to look like, but now that we've seen it, we've seen basically the best that the AFC has to offer. Um, and we've played the other top contender in week two in Philadelphia. We're right there. Like, there's no reason to say that, you know, those, those teams are so much better than us, or we don't deserve to be there.

Like, absolutely. We have proven that this is a talented football team. We knew that going into the season, they had a lot of talent on the roster. They just had to find that, that leaf and, um, and that consistency. And I got to be honest with you, we really haven't found that consistency. Like we're, we're winning all these close games because, uh, they're making the plays when they need to make them.

And that there, there is something to that. Like you've got to do that as a championship team, but we haven't played consistent football. We haven't always stopped the run when we needed to. We haven't always picked up first downs when we need to, um, you know, the running game seems to be there sometimes. And then we go away from it.

So I don't think that we've seen our best ball yet. And I think, uh, there's a lot of hope in that as well. I will say though, I think this week is a tricky spot for you guys coming off that big win, Dallas, then coming off that game that they blew in the fourth quarter.

Uh, what do you think decides it this weekend Vikings hosting the Cowboys? You know, I definitely think that the emotional part of it is going to play into it. Although, you know, we've, we've just seen how this team can bounce back and they really, they really trust in sort of the recovery process.

You know, we saw that when they came back from London, you know, the very next game, they had every right to kind of feel like a little bit of a low and they went out there and played really well and played with a lot of energy. So I think that they're going to come back and, you know, put this game to bed and get ready for Dallas. Um, you know, I obviously think that, you know, establishing Dalvin cook more and more is going to be a key part of this. And, um, you know, you, you've got to slow down that pass rush from Dallas and that's, that's number one. You know, we, we could be without Christian Darasol and you know, they start putting Micah Parsons and other rushers, you know, premier rushers on that, on that left side of the offense. Then, uh, that could be, you know, that could be the recipe for them for success. So, um, we got to slow them down, um, keep them on their heels and, uh, let's see if we can find some offensive balance this game. Through what you've seen through the first 10 weeks of the season, who's the team Ben Lieber that you trust the most in the NFL this year?

That I trust the most? Um, I don't know, man. I, I, the team that we just played, I think is, is still, I still think that, you know, even though they've had some hiccups, I think Buffalo is the most well-rounded team. Um, you know, Philadelphia to me feels like when we played them in week two, that's, that's about as good as they're going to get.

I think that that's just kind of who they are. There's they're, they kind of already peaked. I feel like to me, um, and we got their best shot. I think Buffalo, when you look at it, you're always going to have this X factor.

This is the, that is Josh Allen. Um, you know, really good receivers and that defense, you know, it's, it's hard to find a team in this league that is so explosive offensively, but then their defense, when they get healthy and they get pull your back, you know, that's going to be, you know, they're going to stay right up there in the top five and basically every category. So that to me is still the, probably the most balanced team right now. I would say, yeah, they're still the most balanced team, but the team I trust the most is Kansas city just because in a year that's so open and how many young coaches you have read and then having the best player in my homes that that's why I start to lean Kansas city, but Kansas city did lose the Buffalo this year.

Yeah. Again, I don't trust Kansas city to defense, you know, as that one part of there, I think they can make some plays. They have some pass rushers. I get all that stuff, but I think consistently to stop the run and, um, and really be the aggressors on defense.

I think they're opportunistic. Um, I just don't, I just don't really trust their defense as much as the Buffalo's by the way, the Vikings defense. Uh, we talked about that heading into the seasons, a Darrius Smith, this off season, people knew that was a good off season move, but no one knew it was going to be one of the better off season moves of this past year. Where's your confidence level with this Vikings defense or what you've seen to the first 10? Well, I know that those guys can go out and make plays in critical moments. That's, that's the big thing.

Um, especially Patrick Peterson, that dude's not old, especially Patrick Peterson. Uh, he's, he's been unreal these last three or four games, but, um, my confidence is growing and growing, you know, at the start of the season, I was a little, little leery just because we weren't getting after the quarterback. Um, we, we were sticking to this idea that we were going to be a drop seven team and not have to blitz and pressure with four, uh, five and six guys. And that was a little concerning because I'm like, well, look, it's great if you can drop seven, but if your front four is not getting the job done, then we're going to have some issues.

And that's gotten a lot better. And, and that's where I think my confidence is growing is they've stuck to the game plan from the very start of the season. Uh, they love that they can mix and match with, uh, with some past rushes up front. DJ want them, you know, been a nice, you know, he's, he's ascending in the right direction, training in the right direction. Patrick Jones, another young guy, that's a, it's a good rusher that can spell Dalvin, Tomlinson when he is healthy, he is a monster on the inside.

I can't believe a guy that big can be that quick and get that vertical. Uh, and then even Harrison Phillips and his kind of a red revenge game against Buffalo, I think had eight or nine pressures himself. So, um, our big guys who we rely on just to stop the run can stay in there on third down and give us some pressure. So this front four is getting a lot better. And so for that, um, I got a big growing confidence in this defense. I'm also still surprised you guys were able to get Hawkinson. I know, I know you gave up, uh, you know, a nice price for it in draft compensation, but I was surprised that Detroit traded him in division to you guys.

I was too, man. He's, he's already, I mean, already an absolute stud. Especially in that offense with how many weapons you have, he's like a third or fourth option.

I know that's the thing. Like he's, he's always going to see single coverage. I mean, I can't, I can't imagine there'll be a lot of times where they're going to double cover him and then leave, you know, feeling and JJ and KJ Osborne, you know, one-on-one on the outside or, you know, and then, you know, we do go five wide. So then you get Dalvin Cook split out as well.

What are you going to do? Um, and we've already, we speculated with that, you know, the whole week when we picked him up, like how this offense is going to look. And then at his very first game, I think he had what, nine catches on nine targets.

It was, it was unreal and like three or four, um, chain moving plays. So, uh, he's an immediate impact player. He fits into this offense perfectly.

And, um, you know, kudos to him for picking up the offense so quickly. Before we let you run Ben Lieber one college football question at the end of the year, who's the four teams in the college football playoff in your opinion? Oh, um, let's see, Georgia.

Um, that's not going to be my case. State Wildcats because you know, TCU, I, I wasn't a believer at first, but, um, you know, the way they went down to Texas and handled them, I think they can actually do it. So let's go those two teams. Uh, you go Ohio state or Michigan. Oh yeah. Ohio. Yeah. Ohio state. Um, yeah. Would they put Michigan in too? I don't know. Like probably Tennessee, Alabama, you know, it's, it's not going to be, I don't think they're going to get two sec teams in this year. Well, here would be the big debate.

Does Tennessee get in one loss, no sec champion, or if let's just say PAC 12 champ is USC, would they get in even though USC doesn't have these real dominant victories this year? Well, you know, you know how this all works. Yeah. Well actually, I mean, I was going to go the other way though. I was going to say like, look, I think that people want to see Lincoln Riley. You know, I think they want to see this, this, you know, dynamic offense that can, you know, stretch the field and throw the ball down the field. So I don't know, man.

I, I think if it came down to those two, I think they, they take USC. Ben Lieber always appreciate the time. Thanks so much. You're the best.

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I kind of lied to the listening audience. It was expected that the college football playoff announcement was going to be at 9pm Eastern time tonight. It is now 924 pm Eastern. There's been no announcement yet of the new rankings. That's because Kentucky and Michigan States in overtime and it's 67 67 with two Oh six to go in the extra session. So we will not get the college football playoff announcement that may, maybe we'll get it in the final segment of the show.

Hickey because if this game doesn't go to a second overtime and it ends in two minutes, you do a little post game interview. They have to revise really the whole college football show. I would, they may give that college football show pretty, pretty quickly. They make try to go through that pretty quickly. Well, I guess the only thing is they're doing in between.

It's a doubleheader, right? So the amount of time is not changing. So I don't think that overtime, unfortunately for us is going to expedite to the show where they just, you know, they just, all right, let's go to the top four right away. I think they'll do the same old 25 to 21. What I'm saying is I think there may be more time for analysis tonight. And since they are so late to getting to the rankings and everyone just wants to see the rankings, I think they may expedite the actual announcement of the rankings just slightly. I hope you're right.

But also, you know, with TV, they always like to drag it out, get you at least to one, two commercial breaks, hang around. So I hope we don't get teased. But my money's not betting on it. I think it's pretty simple tonight.

Now we don't need to go. We're not going to do, oh, here's the order one through 25. But the top seven, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, TCU, Tennessee. I think it will be LSU, then USC. And as you brought up earlier, the only real debate is probably LSU or USC.

Do you flip flop them? Like personally, I do believe Michigan's better than Ohio State. But I think the way that the rankings have gone so far will be Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, TCU, Tennessee, LSU, and USC. An extension to how, you know, it is kind of a week by week basis. Ohio State, even though you're probably right, that Michigan has looked more consistent and more dominant in their time this season.

When you blow it Indiana, the way Ohio State did, I don't think there's much that you could say, oh, Michigan deserves to pop over. If they didn't do it last week, I don't think they're changing it this week. Right.

It's not going to happen this week. And then it's really irrelevant anyway. Maybe they do that for the sake of conversation. Because it's such an inane thing to really debate 2-3 because they're going to play next week. So it doesn't really matter.

So I doubt they do it, but if they go, oh, let's get a reaction out of people, maybe we'll do it that way. Let's put it at number one. Michigan, number one. Yeah. Also, I saw from Josina Anderson that she had a report out that there's been some talks about some of the most tenured coaches in the NFL potentially contemplating retirement this year or next year.

So a little bit vague. But when you go through the most tenured coaches in the league right now, well, the top ten, Frank Reich is now out of the conversation. He got fired.

So you know who then moves up into the tenth spot? Most tenured coaches in the NFL? Frank Reich was four and a half years.

Wow. First, that's just incredible the turnover in the NFL where you're talking about a guy not even that long. Well, it's kind of a tie.

You could guess three guys and you would be right on any of them. Mike Vrabel? Mike Vrabel was there a year before. Okay. Oh, no, no. They came in the same time. He's nine.

So Mike Vrabel. Hmm. Oh, this is really tough.

Wow. You go to one coaching tree. One coaching tree. The good-looking coaching tree.

All the good-looking coaches in the NFL. Oh, McVay, Shanahan. No, McVay's earlier. Shanahan was 2018? No, was he 2017? Shanahan is 2017.

You're looking in the 2019 category. Your favorite guy. My favorite guy? Your favorite guy. He was hired.

January 2019. January of- coming off 20, my favorite guy? Yes, your favorite guy. It's not Bill Belichick. It's not Josh McDaniels. It's not Pete Carroll. I'm not actually- he's not actually your favorite guy. I know. That's why I just listed those three guys who aren't. I have no idea. You trash this guy all the time. Cliff Kingsbury.

Yes. Cliff Kingsbury, Lafleur, and Zach Taylor. Technically, it's Kingsbury and Lafleur are tied because they were both hired January 8th, 2019. And they are the 10th longest- that's insane. And Zach Taylor was hired February 2019 because the Rams were in the Super Bowl and they lost.

Wow. So anyway, who could these coaches be? Like, I don't think Belichick's retiring. He's trying to break the Shula record. Is Mike Tomlin going to walk away and reset from the Steelers?

Like, that would seem- I said this before and I'll say it again. If Mike Tomlin leaves the Steelers after this year, that would benefit Mike Tomlin more than it would benefit the Steelers. So it could be a Mike Tomlin argument, but also that doesn't seem- like Mike Tomlin doesn't see a guy that's going to walk away this offseason. You would agree with that, right?

I would agree. John Harbaugh? Lamar's going to be there next year. Lamar, I was just going to say, you're Super Bowl windows right now, so you're not going to- like, you would think you'd walk away for a situation that's maybe you're still far away. Like, Sean Payton. He walked away because the Saints kind of far away. They didn't have a quarterback. Let's just call for what it is, right? They're kind of far away from Super Bowl.

Contentions, I'd screw them out of here. I'm trying to think, like, Andy Reid's in the middle of the prime. Well, I'm going through the list right now. So Belichick 1, Tomlin 2, Harbaugh 3. Pete Carroll's 4. There's- Pete is 71.

The guy looks like he's, like, 51. He's not going anywhere. Are you thinking maybe he gives everyone the middle finger this year and rides off into the sunset? Is that what you're thinking?

I don't know if it's the middle finger, per se. I wonder if he's one of those guys that wants, like, kind of like what Bruce Arians did, like, a good setup. Like, if he has an assistant or like that he, like, really likes and says, you know what, this is your kind of time to shine here.

And I'm going to hand it over to you while it's still good. Kind of like what Bruce Arians did, whether, you know, you want to talk about it. Like Shane Waldron? If it was his, you know, own decision to retire or not.

But, yeah, like, I don't know. I'm just- if he was to walk away, I think that would make the most sense. Andy Reid? Does he hand it over to Bienemy? I don't think so.

I'd be surprised by that. McDermott, no shot. Is it Sean McVay? There was retirement talk last year, but he just signed an extension. I think he'll be back for- I mean, there's a report of what he's tied to, like, those- Stafford, Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Cooper Cup. I think two more years at least. Shanahan? I don't think it's Shanahan.

Unless he goes, you guys made me draft this guy, Trey Lance. Screw you, John Lynch. I'll go elsewhere. I don't think that's going to happen.

Maybe he took his own advice for us. Every day's not guaranteed. I could wake up dead tomorrow, so I'll just start living my life. That is true. I don't know who our quarterback's going to be. I could be dead tomorrow.

That's great. Vrabel's not going to resign. Kingsbury, the only way he resigns is if he realizes he's going to get fired. Le Fleur won't. Zach Taylor won't. It's like we just went through the top 12 longest tenure coaches. And do you think Bill Belichick- are we sure?

No shot. So he's- I forget the exact number, but he needs to win, what, basically 10 games a year for the next three years to catch Shula? Is that about right?

Something like that, yeah. 30-ish, maybe 40 wins away? It's definitely possible.

It's possible. Everyone dumps on Belichick since Brady left. The guy won 10 games last year, and the team is 5-4 this year. They're 5-4 now.

Are they a great team? Clearly not. No, no. No one's going to say that. I just wonder, if you're Bill, do you see where it's too far away and it's just like, you know what, I'm going to get out now. Maybe Linda Holliday is like, you know what, Bill, I need you home. Yeah, I don't think that's the case.

I don't know what Bill would do without football, to be honest, but... So I believe this was on October 22nd that his 325 wins are still 22 behind Don Shula. Okay, it's actually a lot closer.

So it's closer than what you would think. So that's three years if things don't get cleaned up. That was on October 30th. He's had... Beat the Colts. Beat the Colts.

I think that's it, right? Yeah, and then he had the bye week. The Jets. I think it's 21 wins away.

So probably, again... You're probably going to get like three or four more at least this year. Two and a half years. Yeah, I don't think he's going to walk away. Belichick also, he still loves the game. He still loves to mess with the media.

He still loves to do crazy things. I don't think he's retiring. Marco, was there a coach... because you were just sitting here. Was there a coach that you heard that you're like... From this Justina Anders report that some of the most tenured coaches in the league are thinking about retiring? Is there a coach that you hear?

Belichick, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid, McDermott, McVeigh, Shanahan, Vrabel, Kingsbury, LaFleur, Zach Taylor. You're like, oh, one of them could be walking away maybe mysteriously? Doesn't sound like it. I think that's possible just because there's been so many rumors and dancing for the last few years.

It would be horrible. For some reason, they've been in a lot of talk in the last few years. He did sign that extension, so maybe that finally quiets everything down.

Lamar Jackson likely back, whether it's the franchise or an extension. But there's been smoke there for the last few years, which is surprising. Because it's not like he's done a masterful job with Baltimore. So maybe just because there's been some smoke there, but that's the only one. And he's been there forever.

That's the only one that I can see. Now, I don't think this guy is, but if I had to take a guess at anyone that says, I guess I would just say Andy Reid. Maybe he goes, I'll hand it over to the enemy. I've won my Super Bowl. If you win one this year, maybe he walks and says, I got two.

I'm good. I don't feel good about that. It's always possible, but Andy Reid strikes me as a lifer. There are certain guys that just don't want to walk away. You say, well, Dusty Baker, why wouldn't you leave after the time? There's just some guys that just want to do it.

Period. They just want to be there. They want to be around it. They want to smell it. They just want it. There's not the Bill Parcells where they burn out constantly.

They come back because they miss it, but they burn out. Belichick's a lifer. Andy Reid's a lifer. There's some guys that just don't know what else to do other than to be a football coach. By the way, I never reacted to this on the air. For some reason, when you said Dusty Baker, this triggered a thought.

Isn't it crazy? The GM of the Astros, they offered that one year extension. Then he goes, yeah, I'm not taking it. And then, you know, he's out of a job. James Click. Something is bizarre there. Makes you wonder if Crane is more involved than he needs to be.

That's what I thought, too. And Click sees the writing on the wall and he says, you know what? That's a slap.

I was going to say, you're offering me a one year deal. You obviously don't want me. You don't trust me. You don't believe in me. Hey, you've done a great job. You just did a championship award winning update.

Here's a 30 day extension. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So for Click to take that would be ridiculous. Now, I understand what he was. Maybe the thought processes was try to keep you and Dusty Baker in line.

Because Baker's only going to get a one year deal. But, you know, I'm sure Click's response is I'm 44, not 74. Yes.

And that's not my problem. You know what I mean? Like, I'll find the next manager if Dusty decides to walk away. And Dusty Baker is a great manager. Hall of Famer. We all know that. How many times now is it the GM's really the manager, you know, and you just once Dusty Baker leaves, you could just recycle like kind of a puppet in there.

Well, I mean, yeah, to a point. But I don't want to disparage Dusty in that regard. I'm not saying that with Dusty, but it's just the idea that I mean, the next guy, he's 70 something years old.

What are you going to give him? A seven year deal? Like, you're not going to extend him for a long period of time.

And Dusty Baker, again, he's a lifer. You want to go on a one year deal? Fine. I'll go on a one year deal. Like, I'll keep doing this every year. And we keep going back to the LCS or the World Series and keep winning.

You'll want me back. So I'm cool with that. By the way, Hickey, I want to play this Jerry Jones, Odell Beckham thing here for Marco Belletti. Because we tried to interpret this earlier. And this is 49 seconds where if you've seen the movie Billy Madison, it's just incoherent rambling. And we're all dumber for having to hear it. This was Jerry Jones on 105.3, the fan in Dallas on why the Cowboys haven't signed Odell Beckham.

I want you to intently listen, Marco, and try to tell me what the bleep this guy was talking about. In this particular case, start by asking, why is it that you're able to sign him? Ask that question. Why? Well, because he's not on the team. At this time of year, a player of that caliber, that's rare.

Trading's over. Well, it is because we're dealing with a situation where he's free. But potentially very capable of helping a team right now win and play and him play at a high level.

But that'll tell you alone it is a rare, rarefied set of circumstances and those don't just happen or this wouldn't be possible. So why haven't Odell Beckham... What was the question? It was why hasn't the Cowboys signed Odell Beckham Jr. yet?

I don't know if somebody has to tell Jerry Jones why Odell is actually available and why he's out there and why you're able to sign him now. It's because... I'm not sure if he knows that.

I think maybe somebody has to sit him down and let him know that. Wow. That was the question and that's the answer you got out of that? Yeah. That was tough.

When Hickey played that for me earlier, I'm like, what? Look, you don't want to say too much. Yeah. But there's no tampering.

No, no, no. But you don't want to say too much. You don't want to tip your hands in negotiations.

You get screwed. He already tipped his hand. I know.

The star in the helmet and all that. Right. I know. That's just, I mean, man, try to put it together. It's almost to the point where we need to have this weekly spot just because we need this. But at the same time, someone needs to get into Jerry Jones's ear and say, you don't need to be doing this weekly spot anymore. Have Stephen just take it all over. You're hurting yourself every time you open up that mic.

It's just, that's a mess. It is the Zach Gilp show on CBS Sports Radio. We're definitely not getting the college football playoff rankings during this show because now it is in double overtime between Kentucky and Michigan State. So, Hickey, we lied to the listening audience. He said we were going to give him the college football playoff rankings in the final hour of the show.

It's not going to happen. It's not our fault. Blame Kentucky's defense for twice allowing giving baskets to Michigan State at the end of regulation overtime and tie it up. Maybe Mark Stoops was right. Maybe that is a football school right now, not a basketball school. They could do some defense. You're listening to the Zach Gilp Show. Wrap it up shop.

Zach Gilp Show, CBS Sports Radio. Final poll question results of the day. Hickey, if you had to take a guess. Right now, do you think the Chiefs are the best team in the NFL? How many said yes? Fifty-seven percent. Wrong. Give you another guess.

Fifty-three percent. Wrong. Hmm.

Am I going in the right direction or going in the wrong direction? From where you initially started? Yes. From guess one and guess two.

The right direction. Geez. Forty-seven. Close.

Forty-five? Yep. Forty-five percent say right now, do you think the Chiefs are the best team in the NFL?

I think they are. Because I'll trust Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes right now the most. When you look at the other teams, Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Tuatunga Vailoa, Mike McDaniel, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson, Nick Sirianni, Jalen Hurts, Kevin O'Connell, Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garoppolo, Kyle Shanahan, even Tom Brady, Todd Bowles, like whoever the contending teams are. And I know it's more than just coach and quarterback, but in a year that's so open, I think that's maybe what could decide this. And that defense will be able to get timely stops.

They're not great defense, but they have shown the ability this year to make a timely stop. Let's get to the closing bell. Another day is in the books, and we're taking stock of the sports world. It's time to find out who's up and who's down.

Let's end the day right and hit the closing bell. Only on the Zach Gelb show. Ham Heineke.

Unbelievable. I know he wasn't great, but Carson Wentz was 2-4 as a starter. Taylor Ham Heineke is 3-1 as a starter this year for the commanders. And the commanders, not that I think they're going to the playoffs, but they have at least got me intrigued again. And they have salvaged their season when it looked like it was all but over, and now they're sitting in at 5-5. Nice job there by the commanders.

Give them a stock up going into Philadelphia and getting a win up against the Eagles last night. Hickey, he's done it again. Pete Davidson. A few weeks ago, wasn't this guy dating Kim Kardashian?

Yeah, before that another, you know, hotbox rocks. Now Emily Ratajkowski. Not bad. I would love to be Pete Davidson. Goofy looking, funny. And you're just able to date all these unbelievably looking women. Yeah. Not a bad time to be Pete Davidson.

Think about that. It goes from Kim K to Emily Ratajkowski. And by the way, the ugly looking actor I think he was, I think the guy was an actor that cheated on Emily is a schmuck. How do you cheat on Emily Ratajkowski? Right, that guy was an actor I think.

I don't know his background. One of my friends has this saying that I guess rings true in this one, which I would disagree with. But they say a new 6 is better than an old 9. I guess that's that guy's philosophy. That's the only explanation? Yeah. Well, first off, she's the 10th.

That's just how the saying goes, but I would agree. But hey, Sebastian Bear Mclard, I think the guy's name is. Sebastian, let's see what he's, he's a film producer. Moron. That may be the dumbest man on the planet.

But maybe the smartest man on the planet is Pete Davidson. Give him a stock up. The defensive play of the week is sponsored by the Navy Federal Credit Union who proudly serves the armed forces, DoD, veterans and their families. Their members are the mission.

Learn more at navyfederal.org. TCU linebacker Johnny Hodges tallied 11 tackles and one and a half tackles for loss in Saturday's 17-10 win over Texas. The Longhorns were shut out in the first half at home for the first time since 1997 as the Horn Frogs defense held Texas to just 199 yards and 0 offensive touchdowns in the win. Give the TCU defense a stock up. I guess it's going to be a quick basketball season if you're one of those Syracuse alum who are in the media because your school for the second year in a row just lost to Colgate. And last year, on November 20th, 2021 when they lost, where they lost 185 and I just saw this tweet via Barstool, Syracuse basketball's official Twitter said one will learn from. A year later, they lose 80-68. Hate to see it. All those media members, oh, new house is the best, oh Syracuse is the best, we're unbelievable, we're great, you suck, we're superior, you're inferior. They always chirp when the team gets a win. Where are they right now?

Where are you? Stock down to Jimmy Boeheim at the Syracuse basketball program. And finally, Carson Wentz, your career came and Wentz, geez, 2-4 and Taylor Ham Heinicke comes in 3-1. There is no way if Ron Rivera knows what's in the best interest of his football team, the way that this team has rallied around Taylor Ham Heinicke, I'm not saying that he's got to be the guy the rest of the year, but he deserves to be the starter until he shows you he shouldn't be the starter.

You cannot bench him against the Texans. Stock down to the great, my BFF Carson Wentz. And that's the Zach Yelp Show on CBS Sports Radio. A wonderful edition of our program on this very fine Tuesday. Big thanks to Kalen DeBoer for stopping by.

Also, Christian Watson from the Green Bay Packers really did thoroughly enjoy that conversation and then Ben Lieber is always a blast when he joins us. We'll be back tomorrow at 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 Pacific, across many of these same CBS Sports Radio affiliates, Sirius XM, Channel 158, and that free Odyssey app. Michigan State prevails over Kentucky in double overtime. Izzo, very fired up, and it's not March. We'll be back tomorrow.

We'll talk college football, playoff reaction, all that stuff. Thank you. Thank you as always. Thank you to all of you. We out. Bye bye. There's a lot to listen to, so get started and download the free Odyssey app today.