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Kiss Dating Goodbye?

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Kiss Dating Goodbye?

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August 5, 2022 11:45 pm

Kiss Dating Goodbye?

Steve talks about dating and how Joshua Harris wrote his book and then denounced it and Christianity. Why would he do this?

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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network mobile show you why your whole work. Steve is an ordinary man who believes in an extraordinary God on his shoulders. Great three no sacred cows call Steve now 86 34 true 866-34-TRUTH or checking out online, Steve Noble now here's your host Steve Noble backup you're having a great Friday okay.

Some got some dating ready ready this admit perhaps this is for you. Maybe it's for your son or your daughter, grandson, granddaughter, maybe you have teenagers maybe there in college.

Whatever the case may be, Christians and dating date for at least a year. Don't take for any more than a year dating exclusively in groups. Make sure you get plenty of time one-on-one or contradictory are they not don't kiss before you're married, how can you know you have chemistry without kissing clear boundaries in place. Don't try to follow everyone else's rules spend lots of time together or be careful how much time you spend together date a bunch of people before getting serious don't date anyone until you're ready to marry them. Okay, so now this is in desiring God, which is Piper's website. The golden rule in Christian dating. They look at three different three different areas going really love your neighbor as yourself, stuff like that. How should Christians approach dating. This is in Though there are many dating methods and rules suggested in Christian circles, the Bible does not explicitly discuss how a Christian should approach dating among modern evangelical Christians urban multiple books movements were to talk about the one here just second and rules presented as a cortical biblical approach or method to dating from Joshua Harris's I kissed dating goodbye in early 2000 2003 on the talk about that to the many rules for dating and contemporary Christian circles. There is no end. Suppose it scriptural views on dating amid this overwhelming sea of methods and rules. Many Christians wonder what the Bible says about this over overly discussed topic and how they should approach dating. Specifically, there is nothing in the Bible about dating. In fact, none of the people mentioned in the Bible ever dated quote unquote but rather participated in pre-arranged marriages and betrothal's modern Western idea of dating did not exist in biblical times, and even many cultures today do not practice dating either.

Then there's this one why you should never actually date to Mary Beard that one day to marry, what is that dating for marriage has everything to do with your intention.

Some people go on dates or have short-term relationships for the fun of it. They want someone to hang out with and are interested in a long-term commitment who that sounds a little spicy doesn't it. When you date to Mary doesn't necessary mean you want to marry every person you date it means that your intention of dating them and getting to know them on a deeper level is to see if marriage is a possibility.

So dating to Mary this means you don't even bother dating unless you're actually ready to settle. I'm going to date because I'm ready to get married and I need to find a mate right and then here's this other one in the article went why you should never actually date to Mary. So this is all over the map. We dealt with this several times over the years in our own family back to Josh Harris who wrote I kissed dating goodbye when he was all of 20 or 21 years of age.

So, not exactly a wellspring of wisdom at the time, but sold over a million copies to member that was 2003 and so you had also and I kissed dating goodbye dating is just prep. It's just if you date and break up a data breakup is just preparation of practice for divorce. That's all that is unpleasant out there dating you're just you're just exposing yourself the temptation.

Here's what he said this is a Josh Harris quote from the book having a girlfriend was no longer my greatest need. Knowing and obeying him was him being of the Lord. I wanted to please him in my relationships, even if it meant looking radical and foolish to other people, even if it meant kissing dating goodbye nonexisting caveat on Josh Harris a couple years ago he came out and cortical deconstructed his faith and said, on social media. Of all the things that make you a Christian.

I don't believe them anymore, and then subsequently within a couple weeks again on Instagram, announced he and his wife announce an amicable divorce in a couple weeks later he was seen a gay pride parade. Now he hasn't officially come out, but he did.

He had walked away from the faith stories not over till he's dead and walked away from his marriage, and maybe he's a homosexual that's not official yet, he hasn't said anything about that.

But that was a big deal in my wife and I jumped right on the bandwagon with the kissed dating goodbye thing and like Ellis just preparation for divorce.

I like you I don't like you I dump you, I'd like you I don't like you I dump you I like you I don't like you I dump you and the question is will how you can figure out who you're going to marry unless you actually go on some dates and get to know what it's like to spend time with a member of the opposite sex. I know it sounds so patriarchal and old-fashioned homophobic. It isn't. And so what you what you do with that what you do it dating Christians and date you just avoided altogether really start dating when you're ready to get married or is there nothing wrong with your 16 or 17-year-old daughter or son going out on something a little dates here and there and can't go to the mall go to movie Eagle goat whatever hang out on the back deck hang out the bonus room doors open watching a movie playing a videogame. Whatever or is that just totally wrong and you're still in the Josh Harris So that's my question. Today I was this at home earlier today. I'm thinking of you a call in show used to do a lot of those, and it just ask you a question and the question I have for you to take his should a young Christian people date or not, should be kissed dating goodbye is that dating just wrong thing to do is just kind of worldly you're just using people and so it's wrong that was Josh Harris's position way back in 2003 or is it okay so what you think about dating in this whole notion of dating to Mary shouldn't date into your ready to your gear dating you put your you put your bait on the pond because you're trying to lay on the one other than that you don't cast you don't bait the hook.

Nothing you don't take, or do you need to date in order to figure out you know how do you operate at a have a good decent relationship how to get to know a member of the opposite sex. What you think.

That's my question for you. 866-348-7884 and play along everybody and if you want to throw in their adult Christians in dating that's fine on divorce a widow or widower.

Whatever the case maybe but primarily I want to talk about the advice we want to give to our young people today about dating.

Yes no somewhere in between. Please give me a call when you hear from you. What you think about Christians dating 866-34-TRUTH 87884 is the number 866-34-TRUTH 87884 or 866-34-TRUTH Christiansen dating yes no maybe so. 866-34-TRUTH this is Steve Noble should be kissed dating goodbye like Josh Harris did back in 2003. 866-34-TRUTH will be right back okay, parents, fellow parents out there may be grandparents and you've got some grandchild grandchildren that are teenagers. Dino, 14, 15, 16, 1820 in college. This whole notion of Christiansen dating Josh Harris of course wrote the oath sold over a million copies. I kissed dating to buy items 2003, and a lot of us evangelical jumped on that. That's just practice for divorce. I like you I don't like you I dump you I republish I die like you I don't like you, dump you, I replace you. I like you.

You don't like me, you don't you replace me.

That's that. Is that just practice for divorce.

What's the deal with Christiansen dating.

Let's think specifically what would you tell a 14 or 15, or 17-year-old Christian young man young woman about dating you would enter yours or your grandchildren that yes no maybe so.

Somewhere between we do it that this is in the conversation.

I hear very often anymore. Think up because the proliferation of social media not stop were talking that something or talking the text back and forth. Ladle maybe texting snatch at whatever all that kind of stuff but dating actually one-on-one to review go out early early my sake known. It's gotta be you and 20 other people mixed group from your youth group at church, otherwise forget what you do with this one. Christiansen dating. Specifically, younger Christians kids and Christian families. 866-34-TRUTH 87884. Would love to hear from you today come let us reason one to another, as it says in the Old Testament would really like to hear your thoughts on this and this is for a lot of us parents and grandparents out there. It helps to talk through this stuff and work through consider things and again in the Old Testament and New Testament dating really wasn't a thing back then was betrothal it was arranged marriages and so that's what you kids. Thou shalt or thou shalt not dates.

You can't find, but it obviously can lead to temptations and things like that. So we do it. Christians and dating 866-34-TRUTH 87884.

Please call in and share your thoughts or experiences. Maybe you went down the I kissed dating goodbye wrote in your family and it works or it didn't 866-34-TRUTH 87884 or 866-34-TRUTH would love to hear from you.

Let's go charlottes: oh gone I saw this so marker so anybody else I'd love to hear from 866-34-TRUTH 87884 866-34-TRUTH and some of my friends on Facebook live liking of according thing will come over to our house or or my son or daughter will go over there housing with her family but no none of this alone stuff and I go to movie and I can go for walk in the park, leaving like that I what about marrying young Anna said this a great question in this the big challenges wary there's been some problems with I kissed dating to buy that whole movement from the 2003. Wendy's wrote that book and it exploded and he's recanted of all that, by the way, what about marrying young my son recently asked me the question of a hold can he be to Mary. I grew up dating with casual relationships in my 20s. Should we be teaching our men to seek out a spouse in their late teens and into that in the two in lesson it's not 150 A.D. at 16-year-old in 2022 is like a puppy and and I would say no you should not be getting married at 16 or 17 or 18. I think you lack wisdom, and I don't know what you're doing but there's this pressure here this date to Mary pressure that hate you know you're dating now you don't date unless you really's are you ready to make a commitment.

Are you ready to find just your spouse, then don't hate but and they really wanted, and sometimes they get into it and the shame of the Christian culture is if you break up. That means you're just using somebody your worldly your fleshly your carnal right seek the problems that can creep up there 866-34-TRUTH 87884 is the number and it seriously, just call in and share your opinion on it will be afraid I don't beat people up on the show you want to do that go to Sean Hannity or someone else out there that 866-34-TRUTH 87884 or 866-34-TRUTH, let's get that, Josh Harris clip ready to go.

So this is Josh Harris did a Ted talk and not just yours eventually recanted of I kissed dating goodbye. He actually recanted of his faith and got divorced. I think there's a good chance he's on the sexual but will see that hasn't officially happened yet, but this was him doing a Ted talk talking about.

I kissed dating goodbye when he stepped down from the mega church.

He pastored up in Virginia and then I went to grad school so is talking to students in his meeting some people that had been caught up in the I kissed dating goodbye movement and here's what Josh had to say. I developed relationships with my fellow students and a lot of them started to share stories with me about the effect my book and had many times this was a negative effect on I couldn't just write them off as angry trolls on the Internet. These were my friends and so I listened and then one day on Twitter, of all places. This woman wrote me and she said your book was used against me like a weapon and I almost didn't answer her because I was afraid she would lash out at me. But on this particular day I just answered and said, I'm so sorry. Such a simple human interaction and that interaction led to a conversation and that conversation led to a friendship and that friendship change me. She said something to me that I'll never forget. She told me that that back and forth on Twitter was the first time that a religious leader had ever acknowledged getting something wrong and never apologize to her and I heard that.

I just thought something really unhealthy about this that led me to open up my website and invite people to share their stories of the effect my book.

It had and we just publish them uncensored on the website. Some of those were stories of people having a positive experience but others were heart-wrenching others were from people who were really angry and hurt and now I'm in this process of working with a fellow student at my grad school who was a woman who was hurt. Book growing up, and we're producing a documentary that's that sharing the journey of me going back in and looking at the book, but also trying to tell a bigger story about how religious communities talk about sexuality and talk about relationships and what it looks like to face up to moments when we don't get everything right even when were well-intentioned much Josh Harris is the author behind.

I kissed dating goodbye which came in 2003 and you know that is meeting people were that the book in that notion hurt them because this is what happened back then.

I remember this, that if somebody up if kids in the youth group kids at your church or dating there out there dating then a people of the chemical.

Oh that that there's some sin going on there is no doubt about it.

I mean, they're just out there using each other and she must be promiscuous. And he's he's promiscuous to. He's just using people using and abusing and so people that are out there dating him and that they haven't anything wrong they'll cross any lines are you looking down your nose at or you're pushing them towards marriage at 17 or 18 or 19 years of age and they don't know they don't know the realities involve about from a hole in the wall but were pushing them is because is a no no no you don't date unless you're dating to get married and any push them towards marriage and that I've seen that blow up many many times and is blown up with people that we know.

I know and love. And so this that's why this topic is coming up today about dating Christians dating whether there are teenagers or early early 20s, college and if you're a parent you know the pressure of that most likely because dating is necessarily wrong, that's my question for you. We want our kids to date. Is it okay ours it is that like a boy, get that Scarlet letter on their get that Aion there maybe not for adulterer could W144 that that it that I look at dating Patricia our friend from Albuquerque to get you after the break because I don't want to bring you up on the air than have to put you right back and holds Patricia if you will hold there only hear from you guys on this is really important topic, especially for kids 866-34-TRUTH Europe you want to get into a fight at your house. If you have teenagers bring up the topic of 1415 1617. They want to date hey that nice guy, nice girl what it was no big deal is not going to do anything. Mom give me a break.

Dad and then you're like nope nope no dating unless unless Billy you're ready to find a spouse. I know you're only a sophomore in high school, but if you say you're ready to find a spouse in this the person you can commit your life to the next 40 or 50 or 60 years, then not okay fine, but if you're not looking for a spouse. No dating now can happen.

Not not not get my blessing you can't do it were just shut down. We do it that Christians young Christians particular and dating and dating Tamir, if you're in a date. You better be ready to get married, or if you want to throw getting married and at a young age. I'm talking 1819 20 you want to throw that in there. It's fine to talk about your parents or grandparents and they got married at 14 or 15 or 18, which is beautiful.

It's a great testimony, but was also a long time ago in the world is quite different today, so we were able to do it then, but people are much more mature at an earlier age 60 7080 years ago than they are today. Today now they're good college degree live in the basement work at Starbucks or whatever so that adolescence is now's stretched out into the late 20s I which is kind of ridiculous.

Go to our friend Patricia Connor from Albuquerque, New Mexico. Great to hear from you as always Patricia how you doing great.

You meant your target dating in general and after 33 years. Richard and I got divorced and telling yard like Bambi on the I want to young people all know how Dorothy felt when he got a bunch cooler and I'm telling you, if had children and they will.

My parents met with me and Harold gave him 58 will hear over and the boy will not come in the house to meet you. Do not date down.

And that's the rule I live by.

And it was good rule but no teaching at the very earliest I would say and what what I see on TV and when I watch with young people.

I oh my gosh I don't have children, but I would've been very real denial looks really think about what would normally date forward to getting together. You know that's my group activities are great youth activity but dating one-on-one cannot do that for quite a while yet. Yeah, you reference to Trish, and I appreciate you referencing the way things are today and some people younger people might look at us ago.

Yeah, that's what will people say no that's just a reality. Things are much more highly charged today the sexual culture that we live in an average age of first-time exposure to porn now is about eight or nine years of age. I mean it's highly sexualized and yet just insanity.

And so now the waters are more shark infested today than they were when you and I were 16, 17, 19, 20, back in the water. When John yeah yeah I appreciate great to hear from you Patricia. Thanks for your input is always welcome you to have a great weekend. 866-34-TRUTH, eight, 784 is the number 866-34-TRUTH 87884 and that's something to consider. How do you handle a switch of your mom or dad out there and you have a teenager. Maybe there 1819 20, the pressure to get married. Maybe you have a story about that. We've had friends go through that we move them plenty of experiences around the noble family that we've seen that that massive pressure to get married in and you don't date, less ready to marry dating to Mary and if you're not ready to get married. Billy, Jimmy, whatever. Then you shouldn't date now today to Patricia's point because the culture so much more highly sexualized movies Snapchat whatever Instagram now it's like everybody's kinda got a turbocharger now younger people and I think it's more difficult now because it's so much more prevalent today than it was in say 1980 to 1984 when I was in high school but they're still human beings you still have temptation, but today everything so highly charged in STDs all over the place and young people are much more promiscuous. Always dating a bigger problem now just from that challenge and how do you know if you can trust your 17-year-old son or daughter to go on dates 866-34-TRUTH 87884 is awfully quiet today.

866-34-TRUTH 784 or 866-34-TRUTH. Christian teenagers should they be allowed to date do you say yes do say no. Maybe your courtship person find the commode go.

The group I Patricia said go rollerskating. Anybody does that any or but go to movie one-on-one in a dark movie house movie theater.

Yes no what's the deal with that Howdy, how do you handle that one to allow it to you not see the Godunov's trouble. Steve you said it already has trouble your set them up for failure. 866-34-TRUTH 87884 or 866-34-TRUTH. I like what.tell you set on Facebook live honestly. Families must deal with this on a case-by-case basis.

Some people should marry young. Some should not. It's about the hearts involved in the individual circumstances prayers key on the for most of you if your 17 or 18-year-old says, hey, my girlfriend and I my boyfriend and I we want to get married, what your what your first reaction that your gut reaction minus you're an idiot. Your 17 or 18. What you know you can't possibly be ready right that that's that would be my first pat said how about starting with an intentional friendship and know yourself first, including seeing your own blind spots. JD Greer pastor the summit church here in Raleigh said you shouldn't start dating until you don't have to. I don't need to date. I don't need to spend time with somebody else to find my fulfillment right you get here to get your self-worth by dating and if nobody wants to date you. Your self-worth goes in the tank because if you're Christian obviously you know where your self-worth should come from.

If you come from the fact that number on your main image of God, you have inestimable worth and number two.

Jesus died for you and that establishes your worth) across 2000 years ago some guy or girl things is not how many likes you get on your picture on Instagram or whatever doesn't establish your self-worth God to us. And so I'd like that advice from JD Greer don't think so. You don't need to know what you need to because not putting all that weight that a friend of mine met pop a great Christian singer-songwriter hymn writer said that nothing can withstand the weight of your worship except God. Nothing can withstand the weight of your worship except God.

So if you get in and you see this happen, don't you, you see young people getting into relationships and it's like all-consuming and if I don't hear from this person that they don't reply to my text fast enough and maybe it's just like codependency on steroids and that idolatry really and then they just get that that's liked her that they're trying to find so much in that relationship and it can't withstand the weight of their worship that was met. Pop is point nothing can take the weight of your worship, other than the Lord. Everything else is going to collapse it can handle.

It is not gonna deliver and I think you see that a lot with young people in dating, 866-348-7884 is the phone number to quiet out there.

866-34-TRUTH 878-848-6634 truth, another friend on Facebook. We had a nightmare of the 14-year-old grandson, the mother of one of his classmates invited him to go to a movie. Let's see if I didn't go to a movie, a horrible movie. By the way he was nave.

We were told he was going with a couple of friends, not just one girl. They basically lied to make it happen and never got permission to go to an R-rated movie, so then you're like okay colleague what you do that because they got because you don't know that what my son, my daughter would never do that really really does your son or daughter somehow outside of the sin nature of mankind. You have to be and that and to Josh Harris's point when he wrote I kissed dating goodbye.

There were some things in there that I would still agree with that. You Eagle 101.

Dating temptation is real.

Sexual temptation is real and again you I'm ever talking to our sons and we did passport to purity right and getting them to make a commitment where you gonna draw the lines until you get married what what will you do what we do not do. How do you how you deal with it biblically since your Christian and you know and and I member telling both my sons the first time a girl hold your hand, you're going to be shocks at your reaction to that is not to be like some piece of toast without butter and jam on it that should whatever I warned him. Be shocked at the amount of power that that has what a girl hold your hand for the first time or hugs you put your arm around her and she lets it stay there or that first kiss. Whether it's terribly intimate or not just the physical touch you guys are playing with dynamite here in there is a solution that we know what our solution is is not comprehensive sex ed from a biblical standpoint is abstinence.

But you go you know the solution is just don't you want to get bit by shark don't get in the water back to Josh what Patricia was talking about. You don't get bit by great white shark token water right is not simple straightforward as it so you don't get bit by a great white shark.

You don't want to deal with the sexual temptation or maybe you date a girl or a guy who sexually aggressive and that's gonna tie into this sexual nature that you have as a human being and annexing you know you're in trouble. So don't don't do it.

Don't take group that's fine. Not a church that's fine. You don't come over to our house. Watch movie, eat dinner with family but if you think you can ago. He alone together. Forget that's not happening or demands they gonna learn somehow to learn some houses like 866-34-TRUTH what is really been good dating music gets old 56 is stealing very good. I mean, I don't know anything about that when I was dating in high school, like what kind of music and I put on. That makes me seem kinda cool. Or maybe makes that the car ride to the movie theater seem romantic whatever wit and get me some Lionel Richie or whatever it all back in a garbage or you should be doing it at all. I should be dating at all. That's my question for you today, jumping off of the Josh Harris book that was written in 2003, where he declared I kissed dating goodbye that blew up. He sold over a million copies and that it was only like 21 when he wrote it and then it just took off. It was in youth groups and all over the place and it's like yeah you do not you don't date unless you're ready to get married hey Billy hey hey Cindy at sophomore in high school are you ready to get married, like in the next year or so.

No, sir, what, and you shouldn't be dating that's just practice for divorce. I like you I don't like you, I replace you. I like you I don't like you, I replace you. I like you I don't like you.

I don't that's his practice for divorce that they didn't know that and that took off. We were part of that we are yet know it makes perfect sense to me. Don't go in there.

You don't get bit by shark don't get the water, but we've also seen it go wrong and had some problems and did some damage and there is shame here and there and then there's like people of rushing into marriage. At 18, 19, 20 years of age that out. Quite frankly, mistakes are not ready should be doing that yet don't get why rushing to get married just been dating for six months and your parents read I kissed dating goodbye in your youth group to the whole series on so Christian kids, teenagers, young adults, dating or not dating somewhere between 866-34-TRUTH 87884 866-34-TRUTH go to Antoinette calling in from Charlotte.

While she was there. Now she's gone. So I this little single heads-up on the call and if you call in and you call and write for break. You can be on hold for for five minutes. If it's a if the show where I have a bunch of callers. You might be on hold for 4567 minutes only: make sure you have the time and what happens we will oh gosh, I can settle this long. I get that but just you know you odds are you knocking call and get right on here. You probably can have to hold for a few minutes so that would be helpful. Just a little tip. Therefore, you if you want to call and I would love to hear from you on this notion this the topic of dating should they should they not and are you still in that camp I kissed dating goodbye. We should market should be dating at all, not to the ready to get married and that's what that'll notion of dates to Mary.

That's the phrase date to Mary how do you date Mary will here you go number one. Make sure you're ready for marriage before you decide to date for marriage is important to make sure you're ready for it. I stick to your dating criteria for looking for a lifelong partner. You likely have a mental or physical list of must have spiritual hopefully this is a secular website obviously be intentional on first dates when you date for marriage. It's a very purposeful experience. Make the most of each moment to get to know the person on a deeper level and by the way, she should probably tell right. By the way this you know dating now at this point my life because I'm really into confining a spouse and in the third if their eyes go wide as saucers and they turned white as snow. You might know that that's probably not the right person to date. Then there's this one why you should never actually date to Mary, when you enter a new relationship should be upfront about your expectations to let your person know you're getting ready to settle down and don't play games anymore to make sure you're on the same page about your future. Because if you aren't looking for the same type of things. The relationship clearly is going to work in this one we could run this one out for a time, but we don't and you like okay should you even bother dating a nonbeliever if you're a believer you call yourself a Christian and you actually you know, pretty serious.

Should you ever even bother to date a non-Christian guy would say no, but what if what if you're not sure. They said their Christian okay see now it's a case-by-case basis as somebody said earlier, I remember colleges on Facebook there several times. I ended up in the car the guy see you think and I will is going somewhere believable. But one thing leads to another right.

We've all heard that talk you probably several of us probably down the road and then now you're getting bit by the shark, so to speak. And that's because you got into the water. You didn't mean to go that you like to jump the water and get bit, but it can happen. Obviously, if we do have since Roe versus Wade got a pretty impressive if I can use that word track record on the results of irresponsible dating and sex outside of marriage, and sadly sex inside of marriage as well, which at its remarkable my wife still with her life stuff for years in counseling and stuff. How many moms coming better seriously considering abortion or get abortions in their moms already mind-boggling right 866-34-TRUTH 87884 866-34-TRUTH dons calling in for me here in North Carolina down. Thanks for calling.

Go ahead. I laughed over your excellent thank you forgot, I'm calling for Bartlett love the book and yet if he wanted a parent I would look like you are right what their marks are there digging up the Lord, ready to use that. Are they trying to be the best out the best husband wife the order even yell get ready for you though you be keeping the cross parent involvement.

You know, get involved in your life and prospect.

The date and I appreciate so much a question. I'll let you go is there is like a line in the sand in terms of age, I give my daughter's 14 says hey I want to go on a date.

My answer is a hard and fast. No, if she's 16 or 17 and like okay we let the song who is this guy is going to have come over here, stuff like that.

Is there an age for you guys if you're like it's a big know if it's this age but if it's if you get to a certain age that will have a conversation well we do a lot of not dating but hey group you're like 17 or 18 going group, but all but now are second oldest daughter 17 or so when she went on a date, but what you get the group thing for a while.

Yeah course through the little more mature right in 14 no way I'm with you on that. Don, thanks so much for your kind words and thanks for calling in today. I appreciate it. You're welcome to care but I I'm good with that. Are you good with that.

Okay, how mature are they this we have to be careful where we have come of the older brother syndrome. I wanted all written out this rich young ruler to write hate one of the commandments have done all that really okay let me test your heart a little bit further and so you yet to manage the situation right. How mature are they your 16-year-old son says on go to a movie with this girl from school and I'm like 16-year-old boy. Testosterone yada yada yada okay I kinda know what I'm dealing with and who is this girl and before you ever get to a movie, go do some by yourselves. Let's meet this person. She come over. Have you met her parents like an idol member who said this earlier. Maybe it was Patricia that was ruled for parents if some guy comes to your house to pick up your daughter, and he just sits in the driveway in his car to me that's a hard no like million. I can date the spots. If he doesn't even have enough of a backbone or in another respect for you or your family to walk up to the stinking door and introduce himself.

Hi Mr. Noble you put your hand out, you shake my hand. You look me in the eye right that's a good start but to sit on the oh make it worse sit on the driving hallmark or text. I'm here no that's not that's not fly somewhat, what you're telling me is not only our daughter but her parents are worthy of your 50 foot walk out your parents car up to my front door to look me in the face and I'm thinking okay that that's immaturity to certain extent. Maybe bad parenting back that this kids house whatever and I'm just who know so the dating thing. I think ultimately for a lot of people. You go Eagle read through these things, like the golden rule in Christian dating. This is from John Piper's website. Okay, so some pretty good stuff first ruling dating is the first rule in all of life to love the Lord your God with our heart, soul, mind and strength. Right you will not truly love anyone else. If you do not love God first and most of God is first in your life. Don't be messing around with that love relationship with somebody else can make sure he actually is your Lord and Savior okay with either the golden rule in dating, but after bracing and applying the first and greatest commandment. I found that the golden rule in dating.

Is this lean hard on the people who know you best love you most will tell you when you're wrong Lou super important. Like the people that know you are, you know, your son, you know, your daughter, their friends, other Christians, good counsel is wisdom in a multitude of counselors understand, hate your boyfriend or girlfriend is a dirt bag. That's the wrong person for you yet to have enough humility to listen. You gotta have enough humility to listen. That's a good one. I like that. The third wheel. We all need today more than ever, were faced with a never ending buffet of opinions and advice that has something to say about everything and yet lets us choose the answer. We want, how far should we go physically. How soon should I start dating after breakup.

What thing should I be looking for a guy. What are girls looking for a guy we won't have trouble finding an answer or doesn't answer to any of our questions and relationships.

The scary reality is that we can find an answer somewhere to justify what we want to do right or wrong, safe or unsafe wise or unwise advice. We choose might be from a book or a Dr. yada yada. But you know what it needs to be the Christian world was the Lord say if you can't handle the temptation can't handle the shark jump don't jump in the pool but also don't don't be ashamed by other Christian families.

If you allow your son or daughter to date with them pulled the old. I kissed dating goodbye Shane Martin you have a conversation with them but got to hold you accountable for what's going on to certain extent with your children's lives and be responsible be engaged as overall called this is Steve Noble and Steve Noble showed God willing I'll talk again real soon. I always used to say ever for another program powered by the Truth Network

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