Embracing Grace!

The following program is recorded content created by Truth Network. TheSteveNobleShow.com. And now, here's your host, Steve Noble. Well, this is not The Steve Noble Show, because Steve's not in, well, it actually is a Steve Noble Show, but Josh, his incredible sound engineer, and he does a great job.

I'd like to put up not The Steve Noble Show on the screen there in the studio, which you can't see if you're just listening. But it's good to have you join us. My name is Chris Connell. I'm a friend of Steve Noble's, but a friend of his back from, gosh, 2006. Together, I'm bringing Greg Laurie into the Raleigh-Durham area to have an open, well, it really wasn't open air, it was in a closed room, but an evangelistic event at our arena here and become friends ever since.

I call Steve my equally obnoxious friend. And so it's good to have you today on The Steve Noble Show. And today we have some very special guests. You know, I have been enamored with what has been happening in our culture, I think, like most of us the last few years. And in the midst of the insanity and so much of our culture moving away from biblical values, I'm amazed that the Supreme Court has come out and made a statement that there's not a constitutional right to an abortion.

And I never thought, honestly, I'd see that in my lifetime. So I'm pretty amazed by that. I think one of the things I'm also amazed by is in the American culture, at least, and it's probably more than just the American culture, but there is such a lack of grace for individuals, for situations. Everybody's offended, everybody's upset. And there probably is no more divisive.

There may be equally divisive, but there probably is no more divisive issue than the issue of abortion in the American culture. And we as a church, and I work at a church called Cross Assembly, I've been there for 20 years, and we take a strong stance on pro-life. And my guests today are Charlie and Tanya Price.

They minister at our church in a ministry called Embrace Ministries. And go ahead and say hi to the Steve Noble listeners. Hi, everyone. It's an honor to be here.

Hello, people. Glad to be here and be part of this show, give some of the ideas we got going on at our church. Yeah, we're excited about it. So now first off, before going any further, Charlie and Tanya, how long have you two been married now? We'll be seven years this October. You're still like newlyweds. Yes, absolutely. All right. So at our church, you guys are involved.

That's the Yankee for you all. You guys are involved with a ministry called Embrace Grace, right? And our pastor is Chad Harvey. And I remember when a few years ago, the Supreme Court came out. And pardon me, one of the state supreme courts, I think one of them was New York and it was another state, came out and there was legislation.

Let me take the Supreme Court. The government of that state came out and said on the issue of abortion that there was the right to abort even post birth. Like if there was a botched abortion late term and the baby survived, would the baby then live now that the baby was outside the womb? And there was this discussion about, well, that's a great question. And there was such an insane, that was so insane to me that I thought, okay, one, I'm not a fan of abortion, but two, if you're saying that a child is now alive outside the womb, but because there was a choice to end the life, but the baby is still alive. Now you're going to have a debate of whether or not the baby lives or not.

That's insane. And there were actual state of New York, there was a governor there that came out to, well, yeah, you know, that we're not so sure and you know that maybe the baby should, life should be taken was insane. And I remember specifically because Pastor Chad got in the pulpit that day at our church and he's like, that's it, I'm done. And he's been pro-life for a long time, but he just said, I can't take this anymore.

And I remember him getting up and saying, if you don't want to keep your baby, you bring it to cross assembly and we'll take the baby. And I remember, I remember the entire church standing up, you know, and so out of that, we have been doing prayer walks at, you know, at abortion clinics. I know that they call them women's health centers, but they're abortion clinics. And we have been doing those kind of things for a while, but we really wanted to also minister to those who have either gone through abortion or chose to keep their baby. And while I think it's incredible that a Supreme Court has made this decision, I think it is also upon the church to not just stand for the life of the unborn and speak out against abortion, but also to put action to the compassion that should be in the church and through our Savior to minister to those who've done that. And so out of that, we partnered with a ministry called Embrace Grace.

So for Steve's listeners, can you just kind of describe what Embrace Grace or Embrace Ministry, because there's several parts of that we'll talk about in a moment, what it's all about? It's about helping individuals who are either young and pregnant or... Because nobody wants to be old and pregnant. It's for those who are pregnant and they need support. And it's also for single moms and single dads just trying to find a way to do it on their own. Okay. So it basically is assisting a single parent who have decided to keep... Now, in some cases, could this be a case where somebody is pregnant and they haven't had the baby yet, but they've decided to keep the baby?

Yes, absolutely. That part of the ministry is called Embrace Grace, and that is specifically geared for women who are pregnant. They are doing it alone. They may not have even decided truly yet to keep the baby or not, but just needing some help, needing some assistance. But this ministry is geared toward helping them understand that this little baby is precious and to give them support through that decision-making and to let them know that God loves them no matter what. And no matter how they... We're all adults.

We know how pregnancy happens, but sometimes it might not... Sometimes there's going to be shame behind that pregnancy or just not really certain what to do. This ministry, Embrace Grace, comes beside women, and they have a mentor through the whole semester that helps them and guides them, and we show them the grace and mercy of God, that Jesus loves them no matter what they've done, no matter what their past, that God has a plan and purpose for their life. And that's through the difficult situations that they may find themselves in, and we've had two semesters so far at Cross Assembly with Embrace Grace. We have a third one coming up, and out of those semesters, we've been able to help women just find tremendous, tremendous just grace and peace. So we're going to come back after the break talking about Embracing Grace, assisting and ministering to those who've chosen to keep a child when they were weighing out the options of abortion. I think it's time for the church to also, as they say, put their money where their mouth is, and not only speak against abortion, but minister to those. You know, I just think that Steve has some of the best Christian talk show intro music there is. I just, I think, because he uses music that's either not saved or barely saved, and maybe Larry Norman had it wrong, maybe the devil does have all the good music. But anyway, something made me mad about that comment, I'm sure.

But hey, this is Chris Connell filling in for Steve Noble today. We're talking about Embracing Grace, and the reason why I want to talk about the subject today is because we do have a culture that is deeply divided over several issues. And one of those issues, of course, is the issue of abortion. And one side says, well, you know, it's a woman's right to choose. It's her body. Another side says, yeah, well, there's choices involved, but there's a human baby.

It's a child. And therefore, we need to stand up for the rights of the unborn. And of course, you know, I'm a married guy. I've been married 27 years, and I know what makes babies, right? And so I've always felt like I'm pro-choice prior to conception and pro-life afterwards.

Choose who you sleep with and afterwards embrace life, because that's a part of it. And so, but it's not as easy, right, as that for some. And in fact, statistically, the CDC said in 2019 that 86% of all abortions were from unmarried women. And when they did studies going back from, this is a little while back now, right?

But this is back to 2004 from the Gut Mocker Institute. I'm not sure if I'm saying that right, that 23% had an abortion because they couldn't afford a baby, 25% they're not ready for a child, 19% they're done having children. You have that 8% don't want to be a single mom, 7% not mature enough, 4% would interfere with education or career. So it still seems like the vast majority of those that are choosing to abort, it may not be that they necessarily don't want to have children or don't value life, but they basically look and say, I don't know how I can do this.

I'm not sure I should do this. So a lot of it is, some of it is inconvenience, but a lot of it is overwhelming life circumstances. So I guess they had Charlie and Tanya Price are involved with a ministry locally in the Raleigh-Durham area called Embrace Ministries.

And one of the arms of that is called Embrace Grace. And the focus of that is really to assist single moms and dads who've chosen to keep a child to be able to do so. And Charlie and Tanya, when we talk about this subject, it's not an easy subject to talk about. It's one that people are highly sensitive about. They also have strong opinions about it. Then on top of that, if you've gone through an abortion, people don't want to talk about that, right? And one of the things that I don't think the media talks about at all is the shame and the pain that people go through who've had an abortion or people who would say, you know, I would have kept the baby had I had a choice. Charlie and Tanya, you guys have been married seven years, right? This is not a first marriage for you, right? And Charlie, a part of your story has abortion in it.

Could you share with Steve Listner's kind of that background? Sure. And I say this from a man's point of view, because often that's overlooked, quite frankly. I mean, if I focus on a woman, and rightfully so, but there's guilt and shame for the man as well. Statistically, I've heard that if a woman, if her partner would support, she'd keep the baby. That that was a big part of it. Right.

And I think that is true. The vast majority is because the man involved doesn't want the responsibility of a child. Maybe it's not the right timing, inconvenience, no support, financial issues, whatever the case is. I know in my situation, when my first wife and I got pregnant, we were we were destitute. I mean, we weren't destitute, we were poor, we were not making a lot of money at the time. And bringing a child into the world would have been an expense that we just could not afford.

So, and at that time, quite frankly, North Carolina didn't offer abortions, we had to drive to Virginia, Richmond, Virginia, I had to drive to Richmond, Virginia to have the abortion. And I think on the way back, I don't think we said two words to each other. It was just quiet, solemn.

It was, it was very sad, actually. I think we realized what we had done. But it was too late. It had already been done at that point.

Yeah. And so a couple years later, this was before we got married, actually, a couple years later, we got married. And she got pregnant again. And we weren't ready again. So we had a second abortion.

That time, Raleigh, I mean, North Carolina offered it. And ironically enough, the doctor's office that that did it was the building where Annie Wilkerson and her brother OBGYN is off of Bullen Avenue right off Hillsborough Street, which now is an abortion clinic. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's how a rock is that. So we had the second abortion. And there again, it was just, it was like, just solemnness. I think we realized that we had what we had done, but we really didn't count it as a child because it, you know, it didn't have features, it didn't breathe, you know. Right.

But little did I know, and Pastor Dale from our church gave me a book to read called Fatherhood Aborted. And it talked about the fact that what men deal with after that and what low self-esteem they have for a lot of periods of time after that. And because they have a very low quality of, I guess, thought of life. Right. You know, they don't think much of life.

They don't give it much consideration because they've killed their babies. So after about 20 years or so, 25 years, my ex-wife had a stroke. And she was unconscious in a coma for about three to four days. And when she came out of her coma, myself and my three children were around her bed. And when she woke up, she looked at us and she said, where are my other two children? And my oldest daughter said, Mom, you've only got three. And she said, no, sweetie, I've got five children. Where are my other two? So even in her comatose state, she realized that she had aborted two children. They were gone.

Yeah. But she only saw the three there. And we had not told our children that we had aborted two previous. So that was news to them. So that was quite a shock. Wow. Yeah, that is quite, you know, what's interesting to me about this is that this is just something that the majority of our culture are silent on. Absolutely.

They're silent on it. And if you're going to say, hey, a woman has a choice to take a baby, which I disagree with, but if you're going to say that, then I'm sorry. You're going to also have to say that this is going to be a lot of repercussions. You're going to deal with this the rest of your life. Yes.

You're going to have to go through some healing and some counseling. Yes. They don't talk about any of that. No.

At all. And it makes me really angry sometimes because I think, you know, there's no easy outs in life. There isn't. And so I think it's easy out. It's not an easy out.

And it's a challenge. So the two of you have been involved with a ministry called Embrace Grace or Embracing. Embrace Grace. Embrace Grace.

And in fact, the national site is embracegrace.com. So if there's somebody listening or knows of somebody listening that says, I want to keep my baby and I need help, they could go there and find resources. If there is somebody says, you know what, I've had an abortion and it's killing me. I cannot get this thing. I can't get over it. I'm dealing with guilt. I'm dealing with shame.

What do I do? There's also places there as well where they can go and find ministry. And of course, if you're in the Raleigh Durham area of our church, you can go to crossassembly.org. And if you go to our ministries area, there is a area for Embracing Grace. And that is a ministry specific to single moms and dads. There are other areas of that ministry. Now, we've only been doing Embrace Grace across a year or two.

We just started last fall. Right. So there are different pieces of it. And so let's talk about that for a moment. Because the Embrace Grace is for single moms and dads want to keep the babies, right?

And I'm hearing the music in my ear, so we're running out of time. So I'll have to pick this up at the end. But there's also Embrace Legacy for single fathers, Embracing Life, right?

For single mothers as well. And so there's all kinds of opportunity out there for folks. If they need healing or help or support, they can get it.

So that's why we are for Embracing Grace, no matter what your choices were in the past. So stay tuned. We're on the Steve Nova show talking about Pro-Life.

Welcome back. This is not The Steve Noble Show. It is The Steve Noble Show.

It's Chris Connell filling in for Steve today. Today we're talking about embracing grace and ministering to those who either have gone through an abortion or have chosen to keep a child. And the reality is, as Fathers of Christ, is as important as it is that we stand up for the life of the unborn. And we do so in a public way. We do so in a private way. And that we do so unashamedly. We also need to minister to those who've chosen to keep a child or chosen to abort and need to be ministered to and cared for because of what they're suffering through because of that.

And I don't know that this is necessarily the case, but I have felt for most of my adult life that the church has been much better at the first part of that. Standing up against the pro-choice, against abortion, which I'm grateful for. But maybe not as good at saying to people who are in that decision point, we'll help you. If you want to keep the baby, we will put our money where our mouth is and we will help you. We'll help you keep the baby.

We'll help you get the baby adopted. And our guests today on the Steve Noble Show are Charlie and Tanya Price. You guys have been fantastic. Thank you for being here today.

My pleasure. And you all have been involved in a ministry across the assembly called Embrace Grace. At the end of the last break, we were talking about the different types of ministries. And I believe this is a national organization.

That's correct. And so whether they're in North Carolina, where Steve Lister's are, or they're listening online somewhere in the world or whatever it might be, they can go to the embracegrace.com website, embracegrace.com, and they can get information there. If you're in the Raleigh area, the Triangle area of North Carolina, you can... And there are lots of different supportive places in the Triangle area, as there are in many metroplexes, but you can go to crossassembly.org and under our ministries there, there is a place for pro-life. And underneath that is Embrace Grace, and there's all kinds of different things. And in our area, we really encourage people, the Gateway Women's Care is also available.

The Human Coalition is a fantastic organization. But why did the two of you get involved in this ministry? What was the impetus for the two of you to say, we want to help out in this ministry? You go ahead.

Okay. Well, we heard that it was going to start, and at first, well, and someone in the church approached us and said, we think both of you would be tremendous in the supporting of the single women and the single men portions of this ministry. At first, I think we were both wondering about that, but at this point, I believe that God was really moving us into an area that He knew where we needed to be and what we could do to help and support the men and women of these, you know, being single and having kids. Let's talk a little bit to Liz for a moment about Embrace Grace specifically.

So what is that and who are the candidates, if I can say it that way, of being ministered to in that ministry? So Embrace Grace is for women who are going through current pregnancy. They are pregnant and that they need just somebody to walk beside them. They may be struggling with the decision to keep the baby or to abort the baby.

That's right. But when Embrace Grace, they have a mentor that walks beside them and helps them to decipher the truth from the lies. I think you guys do baby showers for them and all kinds of fun stuff. Yes, at the end of the semester, these women... You also do weddings, we've done that too. Yes, we've also done weddings from actually someone that was in our life and legacy, which we'll discuss in a minute.

We're going to end up like Vegas, have a wedding chapel at some point, what's going to happen? The grace, what we see is a lot of women coming in that, of course, they feel shame. They feel they're coming from a life possibly that has put them in this situation of being pregnant. Well, over 80% of the women who get abortions are single moms. And the vast majority, it's out of inconvenience, it's out of, I can't afford this child. So sometimes I think they probably feel trapped a little bit. And they also hear the lies of, oh, you can't do this. The Satan is just screaming at them. I've got an easy out for you.

Yeah, I've got an easy out for you. You're not good enough for this baby. It's not a baby, it's just a piece of flesh. They're hearing all of these things and people in their life are probably tearing at them and just saying, do this and do that. But Embrace Grace comes beside them, helps lift them up, helps show them the truth, guides them in love.

There is no condemnation in this group. It's showing them grace because Jesus has shown all of us grace. And a lot of people don't understand what grace is and don't even know it's available or out there. Grace is a hard one to handle and to figure out because it's not the way we love as humans.

That's right. It's unmerited favor, right? God's riches at Christ's expense. Right, and only Jesus can provide that and a lot of people don't even know who Jesus is.

But through this, there's video and there's discussions and there's prayer and it's just not on the nights that we meet. It's through the whole semester and then we have mentors even following those women after having the baby and then just supporting them and just being there for them. We've had women coming in pregnant because of being raped.

We've had women coming in. You've had someone come who was raped and decided to keep a baby? Yes, and a very difficult decision to do because I know that that is one of the strong points that the choice side uses. That's an acceptable reason to get an abortion. Right.

Well, these women are coming in saying, no. Two wrongs don't make a right. Exactly.

I want to keep this baby because we acknowledge that it's a child. Yeah. And that the Lord says that he can turn all things into good. Right. And what Satan used for evil, he's going to use as a blessing. Yeah. And so they come in and they're supported and they're loved and shown that God gives them grace and relief and heals their shame.

Yeah, he does. And heals their wounds and heals their broken hearts of what's happened. Whether it's from rape or just a relationship outside of marriage or whatever it is, these pregnant women need support. We have women coming in that have had several children already.

Really? And they're coming in and they're, again, confused because they're not really sure that they want another one. Or they've had many abortions because of the lifestyle that they've lived. But God has said, no, not this one. And they might not even have known that it was God telling them.

Just that something. That little voice said, not this one. So, Tanya, you probably, Charlie and Tanya, you probably have someone listening that either knows someone or is someone that may be right now saying, I'm in a situation and I think I should have an abortion because I can't bring this baby into this world. My situation is difficult.

My finances are difficult. Or my significant other is not supporting this. Or the significant other is saying, well, you know, we should have an abortion because of XYZ. But what would you say to that? I mean, what would you say to someone who says, man, I'm right now I'm trying to figure this out.

What would you say? Well, my advice to something, especially to the men, I really can't speak to the women other than the fact of there is hope. But for the men as well, there is hope.

It's not you alone. There are people that are willing to walk by you, walk with you, and teach you how to be a father if you don't know. Because some men aren't ready to be fathers. I don't think I was ready to be a father when my first child was born.

I have three kids and two are in college and my wife says I'm still not ready to be a father. She said, apparently I've never grown up. We grow up at our own paces.

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional, right? It's well said. So there is hope and there is redemption. They come in with no hope, with absolutely guilt and shame running across their mind daily, daily.

Because people are, like Tanya said, they're biting at them. And that weighs heavily. Absolutely it does. It weighs heavily on people. Yes, but when you can experience the grace, the love, the forgiveness, and the redemption of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ, it's just incredible. The freedom that you experience. And then you know that you can't do it on your own. You never could, but with Christ's help you can certainly do it. Well, and there's also the issue of, while it's a very difficult choice, that there are situations where adoption is available too. Where you would say, hey, we want to bring this baby in this world, but we don't really feel like we should be the ones parenting this child and we want to give this child a great home. I can't imagine having to make that decision, but yet places like Cross Assembly Embrace Grace will help you with that.

And I'd like to say to the women that you are not alone. And the fact that you may have made choices that have put you where you are, but there are people willing to walk with you through this journey of having a child. And it is a child. It is not flesh. It is a living, breathing human living inside.

And there are people ready to love on you and ready to do whatever it takes to help you through that period of your life. Satan wants to make you feel isolated, but God wants to redeem you. It's a good word. We're here on the Steve Noble Show. This is Chris Connell. We're talking about Embracing Grace. Ministering to those who want to keep their baby are those who have aborted and need to be healed from that. Stay tuned the next second. Welcome back. This is the groovy Steve Noble Show.

And this is Chris Connell filling in today. We're talking about Embracing Grace. Hey, did you know that every 30 seconds a baby's life is taken by abortion? That's an national average every 30 seconds based on a CDC report on the number of babies that are aborted. Did you know that over 80 percent of the women who have abortions are single moms? Did you know that the percentages of reported abortions happen in the some of the earlier phases, but sometimes in the later phases as well? As many as one point seven percent happened in 16 to 17 weeks. Two point nine majority of that between seven and nine weeks.

Why? Because they've been told it's not a child at that point. The vast majority of women who have abortions say that they would have kept the baby if they felt like they had had support, or they would have kept the baby and had made it available for adoption. There is so much shame associated with this subject. When statistics say that one in four, 25 percent of women, adult women in America have had an abortion.

It's a staggering number for me. And that's in the church too, right? So it's not just like, oh, that's just people who don't believe in the word of God. Now, maybe that happened before Christ, but it's everywhere. And I think one of the things that we've done well to a certain extent within Christianity is make it clear that, at least with the even within evangelical circles, that, you know, abortion is a sin.

It's not something that God wants because God values life because people are important to God and they're important from the womb to the tomb. Right. And the two of you have got involved. Our guests today, Charlie and Tanya Price, you're talking about embracing grace and ministering to those who have chosen to keep a baby despite circumstances, or in some cases have gone through it and need healing. If you want some support, you need some support.

You're in the Raleigh Durham area. There are some fantastic resources. You can go to CrossAssembly.org and under CrossAssembly.org, you can actually go to Pro-Life.

And there is a whole list of various ministries that you can get involved with. There's a link you can fill out. And if you are in this area and you want to keep a baby and you need someone to help take care of that child and adopt it, we'll help you do that at CrossAssembly. You can also go to EmbraceGrace.com. It's a national Web site and there you can find support. So if you've gone through an abortion and need healing, you can go there. If you are saying, hey, I want to keep this child, but I'm not I don't know how to do this.

You can go there as well and they will help you find support. Now, there is so much shame, Charlie and Tanya, associated with this. Why? If the message that in our culture is it's just a mass, it's not a child, it's a woman's choice, it's her body, her rights.

Why? How could there be shame associated with that? Well, I think because sometimes the world lies to us to tell us that it's not a baby, it's not a human being. Like I said, it is just a mass. In fact, I heard a radio talk show guy one time talking about relating a fetus in the womb as to mixing up the batter for a cake.

Yeah. It's not a cake until you put it in the oven and bake it. But what a ridiculous analogy that is. Psalm says that he knew us in the womb. He created us. He knows every hair on our head. That's incredible that God knows all that about us.

So he loves us. So when we finally realize that the world is telling us that it's not a life, but then we hear that God... I think everybody has that small, still, quiet voice within them to know right from wrong. And they're being told that it's okay, but once they do that, then I think that's when the guilt comes in because they realize, you know, this was not the right thing to do, but I was lied to. And then you feel hopeless and you feel shame and you want to just crawl under a rock because of the stigma that comes with an abortion.

So we need to get the word out to people that there is hope. There is redemption. There is life after this. And just because you've had one doesn't mean that you're bound for hell now. God will never forgive you because he will. He will forgive you. God will forgive someone who's had an abortion. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

There is no doubt in my mind. I've seen the people that have gone through this, and myself included, as I said before, when I convinced my wife to go through and have an abortion. And then I felt all this guilt and shame all these years. And then probably within the last five to ten years, I've gotten freedom from that, knowing that God forgave me for that. There's some decisions that I made, and at the time I really didn't know Christ. I knew of him, but I didn't know him. He wasn't in my heart. Didn't have a relationship with him.

Exactly, yes. And as that relationship with him started to fester and to grow and flourish, then I realized some of the things I'd done, I had to confess them. Because James says, confess your sins to one another to be healed. So I confessed them not only to God, but to people around me, guys that I trusted. For some reason, men, I shouldn't speak for every man, but for me myself, it was very difficult to open up just to men. I think that's true of most men. Yeah, so I had to find some guys that I could truly trust that wouldn't go out and take this and air my dirty laundry everywhere.

But there are guys that you can find that'll do that. And once I did that and confessed those sins and got their support, got their prayers, got their healing, I was restored. And so now, my purpose in getting into this is to let other men know that you are not alone, that you have the option or the opportunity to be forgiven and have your life redeemed. And the mistakes you made, God can turn those into a miracle of life for someone else.

Someone else down the line that's fighting with the same situation that you're fighting with now. Yeah, because it's all a lie in the end. Absolutely. Satan is a father of lies.

He has no truth in him whatsoever. It's a lie that's been told to our culture. It absolutely is. Absolutely.

I do want to mention one other thing that Cross Assembly is going to be soon offering. As a part of Embrace. Actually, it's not included with Grace or under Embrace Ministries, but it's under the Pro-Life. And it's called Surrendering the Secret. Surrendering the Secret of Abortion for women who have had abortions.

This is for women. That's one of those things that we just talked about. It's shameful. You don't want to admit you had an abortion. What will people think of me? Exactly.

What will people think of me? And again, I don't have any value because I took a life. And so surrendering the secret is a healing for those who have been through abortion and what to do with that. Because so many women and men just don't know what to do with the shame and guilt. And so they suppress it into a lot of other things like addictions and many other things. So surrendering the secret is something coming up in Cross Assembly that will be available for those that need that healing. Embrace Grace, if you're currently pregnant, it's a place to come to get support and healing and to be told that you're loved and that you're worthy.

No matter what you're going through right now or what you've done or what you've been through. It sounds too good to be true for some people. It does. It does.

And it sounds like, oh, that's just a, you know, that sounds like a lie too. Only for the super Christians, not for the regular people like me. But this is for anyone. This is for anyone. Even someone who doesn't know God, even someone who says, I don't believe in God, but I want to keep this baby.

Absolutely. We're going to embrace grace. We'll walk through any woman with any woman who is pregnant and just doesn't know what to do. No condemnation.

What about a Muslim woman who's pregnant and wants to keep the baby? Come on to get in Cross Assembly or go to the website for EmbraceGrace.com and see what their local, you know, there's several in different churches, but that's what this group is for. That's what this support group is for, is to show grace and love. And Jesus is there.

But it's for anybody. Doesn't matter whether you're Muslim, Buddha or whatever your belief is. Or you may be not believe that there's a God at all. But you still struggle with what am I going to do?

How am I going to do this? Yeah. Yeah. And despite whatever anybody has done, abortion or other areas. God's love, right, is able to redeem any past.

That's right. And whoever may be listening today that's going through a difficult season, not just abortion, we want you to know that God's love, His grace, or the anachron is God's riches at Christ's expense. God's love and His abundant grace and His forgiveness and His mercy and His purpose for your life are available through Christ, despite what any of us have done, including myself, including Charlie and Tanya here today. And so that's why we believe in embracing grace, right, and standing up for the life of the unborn, but all submission of those who want to keep a baby. Again, if you want to, if you're here in the Triangle area of North Carolina, you can go to crossassembly.org, crossassembly.org forward slash grace, and that has Embrace Grace information.

You can also go to embracegrace.com and get information there. And there is help and there is hope and it's not over for you. And God has a purpose and a plan. And our pastor, I remember one time saying, God may not ordain every act of conception, but He does ordain every child. And every human being has life and value. And, you know, the Word of God says that God so loved the world, Charlie and Tanya, that He gave, right, He gave His only Son, that God loved people so much that He made the ultimate sacrifice because God values people. And He values people who don't know Him. He values people that are angry at God. He values them no matter what they're going through. So if you're, if you were in a situation today, or you know of someone that is really struggling through an issue, and let's talk specifically about those for a moment who are dealing with, should I have an abortion or not?

We want to encourage you to slow down, take some time, and to get the help you need because we want to challenge that you can keep that baby. Right. And there is hope for you and you don't have to do it alone.

That's right. And I just know that there are listeners today, Charlie and Tanya, that are going to benefit from this today. I pray that's the case. And then after they have the baby, there's, we also have Life and Legacy that'll help them after they have the children. Nice. So there's not, it doesn't end with grace.

We keep going with life for the women and legacy for the men. All right. Thank you. Thanks for listening. Embracing Grace here at The Steve Noble Show. See you guys Monday. Another program powered by the Truth Network.