Are secular colleges grooming your kids?

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Hey, great to be back with you. A lot of grooming going on out there in the United States of America these days. There's nothing new, by the way, all this grooming going on. We generally think in terms of pedophiles, right? When you hear the word grooming, but now you know what's going on in the public school system.

They're being groomed starting in kindergarten. I mentioned last week a story right in North Carolina. I'm not in North Carolina right now. I'm actually at the Gaylord Convention Center right by the Grand Ole Opry Land here in Nashville, Tennessee, at the Road to Majority Convention, which is Faith and Freedom Coalition, the Road to Majority Convention. So I'm here. I'm going to be interviewing a bunch of different people over the next couple days. Donald Trump will be here tomorrow. And after having the chance to interview him on Monday, that'll be pretty cool. And so there's a lot going on. I'll hopefully connect with a lot of great leaders and thought leaders and politicians. A lot of names that you guys will all know.

So I'll be here through Saturday and flying back on Monday. So grooming, or Sunday, grooming going on all over the place in low grades. So last week in North Carolina, right there in Raleigh, a pre-kindergarten special needs teacher teaching her kids about colors and used a flip chart that she bought from an LGBTQIA plus organization.

And so on the card for white was a quote unquote pregnant man. So there's that kind of grooming going on that more and more people are aware of today. I just started reading a book I got in the mail yesterday, Battle for the American Mind by Pete Hegseth, who you know from Fox News, along with David Goodwin, who's been in the classical Christian teaching model for a while, Uprooting a Century of Miseducation. And they're talking about what's been going on in our public schools for 100 years.

So there's a lot of grooming going on. So today on Theology Thursday, back with our good friend, Dr. Renton Rathbun, who is the director of the Center for Biblical Worldview at Bob Jones University. And we're going to talk about five ways that college professors can groom your kid right into being a good old Marxist atheist. Dr. Renton Rathbun, how are you, my friend? Welcome back. Well, it's great to be back. Thanks for having me. You're very welcome. And so sorry that we can't get to do a little Facebook live today, but we'll get back to that next time.

And hopefully next month when you're on again, I'll actually be down there at BJU. But get a copy of this book, Renton, when you can, Battle for the American Mind, because this has been going on for a while. This basically looks at the public education system. We're going to look at the college system and ask that question. Should Christians be sending their kids? Should we be sending our kids to a secular university?

And this is a hot topic, obviously. This is a couple of news pieces. Nearly two million kids left the public schools from 2020 to 2021 because of all the COVID craziness that was in the Federalists. Every single state reported enrollment declines. Catholic school enrollment, on the other hand, spiked.

It went up by three point eight percent. So there's a lot of things going on out there. But when it comes to college and we just came out of graduation season, you guys just had graduation at BJU. This is a hot topic and a very important topic, is it not?

Oh, yes. Well, it's very it's prevalent all throughout America that people are realizing how this is happening to their kids in elementary through high school. And it's it's even more interesting as to when we are 18 year olds go off to college, if we think that that's going to stop in a public college, if we think that that grooming and all that work they're doing in the public high schools is no longer going to happen in the colleges.

And then I think, like you referenced in today's article that I'm putting links up to on on Facebook right now for everybody so that you can read it for yourself. In the article that Renton wrote, should my should my child go to a secular university, you reference the movie that came out just a few years ago, God is Not Dead, where you had this really obvious, antagonistic college professor who's going to go for the jugular every time. As soon as they find out that your kids are Christian, he's going to go right at you. But it's really not that it's not that obvious. Not every teacher in the secular university is out to destroy your faith. But enough of them are that it's a it's a big deal. And the system itself is so shot through with a non biblical worldview that you really can't avoid it. At least it doesn't seem like you can.

Yeah. And and I'll tell you, I mean, I've out of my 20 some years of teaching, 15 of those years, I taught at public high schools and universities. I'm not high schools, public colleges and universities. And and I'll tell you, of those of working in those, I've found that there might find maybe one or two people that might be conservative. And then of those, you know, they're usually maybe Catholic.

Maybe they're just common sense people that don't agree with with liberal views. But as far as Christianity, it is very difficult to be a professor at a public college or university, because if you're a Christian professor, you have to you are obligated. I think every professor is obligated to the truth. And if you're obligated to the truth, you can't stop short in speaking of how this world works and how it relies on our God.

And and even, you know, and there's there's almost no protection for Christians, because nowadays it's not just that you have an unwanted point of view. Now, speech can be considered violent. And so if you are becoming violent with your students by speaking things, you know, speaking truth to them, referencing God and his word and things like that, it doesn't matter what kind of tenure you have, it doesn't matter who you are. I mean, even if you if you decide to use last names instead of preferred pronouns. Right. Right.

You can that's considered violent. So then imagine what it's like for a Christian. So so, you know, I know that the first response I get from people when I start challenging them on this, you know, are we going to send our kids to a secular college university? The first response is, well, do you think it's a sin to send your kid to a Christian college university? To hand your kids over to Moloch or whatever. And, you know, we're not saying that this is an act of sin.

The question is, are they ready for what they're going to get? Because it's not like the movie God is not dead. Right. Right. You're not going to walk in there and know exactly where you stand and exactly where he stands. And then you go to battle. It starts off much more subtle than that.

Yeah, very, very subtle. And it's kind of like the frog in the pot, a little bit here and a little bit there. And there's a lot of parents and grandparents listening to us right now who have kids that grew up in the public education system. They go off to college. They grew up in church. They're gold star Christians. They go off to college four years later.

They don't recognize them. We'll be right back talking to Renton. Welcome back at Steve Noble, the Steve Noble Show live from Nashville, Tennessee, at the Road to Majority convention with my friends at Faith and Freedom Coalition. I'm going to be interviewing a bunch of the leaders from Faith and Freedom Coalition tomorrow. And then we're going to be doing some interviews during the day tomorrow and again on Saturday that I'm going to record here and then play back on the show next over the next couple of weeks. So a lot of great big names that are here that you're going to recognize. So like people like Senator Tim Scott, Marsha Blackburn, Lindsey Graham, Rick Scott, Mark Robinson, our own Mark Robinson from North Carolina. We're going to try to get together with him, Representative Dan Crenshaw, Betsy DeVos, who is the former U.S. secretary of education, Representative Jim Jordan, folks like that. So I'm going to round up as many interviews as I can in the next couple of days and then play them back.

So get ready for that. But today on Theology Thursday, talking to our friends today at Bob Jones University last week, BGU Seminary. But it's Dr. Renton Rathbun who is running the Center for Biblical Worldview. And we're having a conversation today that neither one of us means for this to be condemning. We're not coming to burn down your house because your son or daughter went to a secular college or is going to a secular college. We just want to make sure everybody's fully aware of what happens there.

We're going to go through that kind of grooming process. And one of the other things, Renton, and thanks again for your time today that I want to make sure everybody understands is by definition, if you send your son or daughter off to a secular university, by definition, it's not necessarily a terrible decision. They're not necessarily going to fall away.

There are a lot of great ministries and a lot of great things happening at secular universities, Renton, but you brought this up before the break. The big question is, is your son or daughter ready for that? Because even though that's there, mostly that's not what's there. So it's really kind of like finding a diamond in the rough. It is possible.

But are your kids ready? What did you mean by that? Well, I've watched my colleagues for many years and I've noticed a kind of five step process that they kind of take. And I'm not saying that there are these diabolical people, you know, waiting to suck the soul out of every Christian kid. But I mean, they, you know, it's this natural process that happens when you want someone to believe what you believe.

And I've seen these five steps happen quite a bit and they're quite effective. I mean, as a teacher, you want to know who your audience is when you enter a classroom. You're usually given a list of names of the human being sitting in front of you, and that's all the information you pretty much have on the first day of class.

Right. And so every teacher has little ways to try and figure out who's in front of me. And it's always good to know what, you know, if you have religious kids in there and what kind of tone am I going to have based on who's in front of me. And so there's like little ways to figure these things out. And so, like, you know, if I'm teaching a physics class and I want to know, you know, what kind of kids are in front of me, I might say something like, you know, hey, welcome to physics.

So glad you're all here. I know that, you know, many of you have to take this class. But, you know, physics is quite it's quite comforting because physics relies on math. And in a world that everyone's against each other and mad at each other, you know, we could all agree on math. And then I would say something like, you know, how many in here are religious? And then you'd see the hands like, okay, those are my religious kids.

You know, and religion. And then you would you would immediately want to affirm them because they might feel, you know, like, oh, is he going to come after me? So they'd affirm it. They would say something like, you know, that's awesome that you guys hold on to your faith, especially in such a cynical world that we live in.

It's not easy. And, you know, I really got to commend you. That's cool. And immediately they think, oh, wow, this isn't like God is not dead at all.

This is exciting. This guy, this guy with a Ph.D. in physics just complimented me about having my faith. And so, you know, immediately the guard goes down because you're expecting tension and instead you get affirmation.

Yeah. And they do that on purpose, not because deep down inside they hate the Christian, but they want them to feel comfortable. Because in the end, they see Christian students not as an enemy, but as someone that has been abused and indoctrinated by something quite evil called religion.

All right. So stop right there, because I'd love to point this fact out that you're bringing up right now that secular people, if they're if they're at some level anti-Christian, we know theologically they all are. But at some level, if they're anti-Christian, they have a very negative view of religion, specifically Christianity. They are in the business of trying to rescue people that don't understand the truth, air quotes, and to help save them, air quotes. They're actually kind of up to the exact same thing that we are. I have an agenda. I'm trying to find out if this is a person that's in front of me that's lost and I want to help them. I want to help rescue them from their ignorance. I want to build a bridge with them so that I can awaken them and help them come out of the mire. And that's exactly what they're doing. That's why I mentioned it.

And I'm going to I'll get you a copy and send it to you. Battle for the American mind. This book that I mentioned from Pete Hegseth is that guy on Fox talks about a Greek word called Padilla. It's not paella, which is a really good Spanish dish. It's Padilla, which is kind of this whole environment that you're growing up in. And our kids and I'm going to back up a little bit because our kids growing up in public schools especially, even if they go to church, Sunday morning service, Sunday school, they come back for youth group. They go to a midweek Bible study. The amount of time they're getting in the public school system between kindergarten and 12th grade is 16000 hours versus all that time at church, which never amounts to more than like 2400 hours. And it's the environment in which you're being cooked like that, like you're you're just kind of buried in this thing.

What's the cooking term that we use? It's not meditating, marinating. And so and so that the college professors are trying to help your kid come out of their darkness. Right. Isn't that kind of what you're saying?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Yes. And and it's and it's a part of what I call pagan evangelicalism. Yes. There you go.

They're pagans, but they they believe they have good news. And the good news is that you can get rid of this this limitation of of religion and set yourself free to be the person you really want to be. Yes. Which is a very tempting message because our rebellion inside our hearts always once has a fantasy of what that will look like.

Yes. And they get to they get to dwell on that. And and so in that first step of acceptance, the students guard goes down, which opens them up for that very next step, which is distancing themselves from the faith. And so that next step is they might say, well, who in here is religious?

They'll raise their hands and say, that's awesome. They say, but you guys know that, you know, in religion, you have a text and people disagree about the text. And so you have all these different denominations and and people, you know, split out from those denominations. We have nomination, disagreement and all that stuff. But in physics, we have math. Yeah. And we can all agree on math.

And we have a noble, discernible truth. Yes. That's irrefutable as opposed to you guys.

You guys are all over the map and still argue about it like the Crusades. Yeah. And the sad part is they're not lying. Right. I mean, it's true.

There's a thousand different denominations out there. We do disagree about different things. And so you're not even bad mouthing it. You're just saying, look, this is the way it is. And they get it. And then you say, but in physics, we have this, you know, this math. And so what there's what they end up saying is, you know, it's great that you have your faith. That's awesome. And you can keep it there on the weekends. Right. Right now in my classroom.

We have math. It's not really going to work. We're going to put you on hold right there. Talking to Dr. Renton Rathbun from Bob Jones University. He's the director of the Center for Biblical Worldview, this grooming in the college secular university. We're keep talking about when we come. Welcome back at Steve Noble, the Steve Noble Show Theology Thursday with our friends at BJU Seminary talking to Dr. Renton Rathbun today.

Back on the show, who is the director of the Center for Biblical Worldview and bouncing off of this article that he wrote today. I put links up on Facebook for you. I'm not on Facebook live today. Might be tomorrow. Just didn't have time to get it all set up today down here in Nashville for the Faith and Freedom Coalition Road to Majority 2022.

So we've got a bunch of interviews we're working on the next couple of days, but I'll be back live tomorrow and hopefully Facebook live tomorrow. But I posted the link to the article. Should my child go to a secular university? And we're working through these five steps. Call them grooming, which is not hyperbolic. It actually is an accurate way of looking at it. Grooming your kids for what?

Your son or your daughter for what? Grooming them to leave the faith, to believe a worldview other than a Christian worldview. And it's systematic and it's got five different steps. We're talking about it with Dr. Renton Rathbun today. Renton, again, thanks, man, for taking the time to be with us. Thanks for having me.

You're welcome. So we're kind of on step two here. We talked earlier about it's not a sin to send your son or your daughter to a secular university.

You have to really think seriously about it. Renton brought up the question, are they ready? I would tell you, if your son or daughter went through 12 years of secular public schools, I don't care where they go to church or how often they were in church. There's a good chance that they're not ready because they've been indoctrinated for 12 years and don't even really know it until they get out of your house. And once they get out of our houses, they can think for themselves. They can say whatever they want.

They can read whatever they want and they can start exploring things because you're not around. And so what happens on a college campus? It's not like God's not dead. The movie where you have really obvious professors that are just going for the throat every time.

It's a little more subtle than that. So the first one of this five steps process for professors, and Renton saw this himself teaching in the secular space for a long time. Number one, accept even praise the student for his faith. Oh, you're religious.

Oh, I appreciate your commitment. And you're trying to build that bridge just like we do. That's why Renton you called it pagan evangelicalism. And we try to build a bridge as well. Number two, distance their faith from the classroom material.

It's great that you're a Christian, that you're religious, but that doesn't really have anything to do with U.S. history or world history or English. We're dealing with verifiable facts here. And so all of a sudden there's just a little wedge. Right. Is that what they're up to there?

Yeah. You're what what you really want to do is create an environment within your classroom. You know, if you're a secularist, you want to create an environment where all the world that that you appreciate. That's wonderful is outside your classroom. But in your classroom, this is the real world in here. This is the hard facts in here.

So what you hear in here is going to be absolute, you know, verifiable truth. It's fine that you have that other stuff outside the classroom. But here, this is what we're doing in here.

So it really marginalize, it's probably effective in marginalizing their faith. That's a Sunday thing. That's a personal thing. That's not out here in the real world.

It's certainly not in physics or math or economics. That's just that's nice that you have it. It's like your little pet project or your little your little side gig. But it's not part of the reality of the bigger world. So so, yeah, drawing them away, going, OK, I'll start to just kind of compartmentalize my faith. Yeah.

And which is which is a which is a really useful tool if you can get them to compartmentalize. Because what you want to do is there's even a way that that you can make something like the faith seem. It's almost respectable, even if it's myth, because what they'll say is something like, you know, there's some religions out there. So once they say some, you can automatically say, well, not mine.

Right. And then they'll say there's some religions out there, you know, that rely on myth to to help them, you know, have a richer faith and a better understanding of what their God means through the myth of their text. And there and immediately the Christians thinking, oh, well, yeah, maybe for Hindus and Muslims.

But, you know, he doesn't mean Christianity because he said some. And so it helps them. But it gives them it introduces that idea of, well, even if it's myth, it's still very useful. And he respects it.

Yeah. And so, you know, even with compartmentalizing, you have this great tool to get them to leave all that out there. And in here we have reality, which then sets them up for step three, which is actually one of the most powerful tools that they have. And one of the most powerful tools you have as a college professor is being able to package a really complex, sophisticated idea into something students can understand. And that is not easy. And so if you're if you're talking if you're dealing with something like physics and you're talking about quantum field theory and general relativity and how the mathematics doesn't quite work. And you're you know, you're all that is very confusing. It's very complex. But as a professor, you know, you're there because you understand it enough to know how to package it just right. So that something that complex like quantum field theory can be understood. Now, once that kid, you know, hears that and says, oh, I get that.

I understand something like quantum field theory. Now, they might only understand an aspect of it, but even that can really be powerful because, you know, you've got a lot of kids out there that kind of have decided or maybe the family has decided they're just not the smart one. Right. We have we have the smart one. You know, Frank is a smart one. But, you know, Johnny here, he just never could get his head around stuff. And then he finds himself in a classroom where a Ph.D. has explained quantum field theory in a way that they're comprehending it. And they start thinking, well, maybe I'm smart. Maybe that's who I am. I'm someone that's smart in a different way. And that's that's a part of my identity now.

Now, I'm a smart person. And my I know for a fact, mom and dad don't understand quantum field theory. I know my brothers and sisters don't understand it.

And I know my pastor doesn't understand it. But I understand. Yeah. One of the things. Yeah. Keep going.

Oh, go ahead. I was going to say one of the things about this is most of that when you start and I've met a lot of these kids because I've been around the homeschooling world for 17 years. Our kids are 26 down to 17. I've seen a lot of these stories. You know, the few that stick and get stronger. And unfortunately, the majority that fall away.

Their story isn't over until God says it's over. And so we have to remember that. But oftentimes they end up coming back.

And this was normal for a lot of us that went off to college. We come back and all of a sudden we're the smart one and our parents are stupid. But this is there's an insidious side to this. And that's why I'm glad you were using the phrase grooming, because you're bringing them along, because you're going to get to the point number four, but you got to get them to start going. Hey, you know what? I came here to get smarter.

I am smart, therefore. And that leads to some other things. Yeah, that's right. Because and this is this is a temptation within all young people. And if I can even say even within us adults that we want to be special.

Yeah. I mean, you think about, you know, what is it that makes me different than other people? And, you know, I know Disney and all these other all these other movie places act like, you know, whatever makes us whatever makes us different, makes us special. Everyone already knows that. Everyone already relies on that. I mean, that's why, you know, people are always proud of their majors when they go into college.

You know, I am a literature major, so that means I must like books and I'm, you know, introspective. And so they have if they can prey on that and say, you know, this information I'm giving you is something that not everyone understands. And now you're special for understanding it. That's so powerful because then you can really set them up for that next step. And the next step is the devastating step. And what that what you do is you then say, as the semester goes on, you take that sophisticated idea you give them and you say, now, of course, if you're going to believe this sophisticated idea I've given you, it definitely conflicts with what the Bible says. You do have to give up at least those first two chapters of the Bible. Yeah, that's their rhythm or a real issue, right? Now you've got a crisis of faith because now they're putting you in a situation where you can't be both.

They are incompatible. You can't be smart from a secular university standpoint, which is why your parents sent you here to make you smart or smarter and hold on to your mythical childhood upbringing, when you quite frankly didn't have the freedom to think for yourself. I mean, talk about a beautiful piece of fruit hanging on the tree. Yeah, I mean, there's already every influence, you know, in their lives from their music to the movies is screaming at them. Authority is evil. You know, you need to be your own person. And now you're at this place that makes you believe because of the path they took you to that, you know, to that idea that that path, whether it's a good path or not, they have no idea. And so as they look at that path, they realize the path that took me to this idea that makes me feel smart is in direct conflict with maybe the first two chapters of my Bible. Yeah.

And then the professor really has them because they can say, well, you know, you don't have to believe this, which then puts you back in that world where you're a dumb religious person that doesn't know any better anymore. Yeah. And they certainly don't want that because then you're not special anymore. Exactly right.

Yeah. And not only are you not special, but you're foolish and childlike and holding on to myths. I mean, you're not still holding on to your love of Superman, are you?

You do realize that Superman is not real, nor is your biblical quote unquote biblical faith. We're talking to Dr. Renton Rathbun about secular colleges will be. There's a man going round taking names. Welcome back at Steve Noble, the Steve Noble Show Theology Thursday with our friends at BJU Seminary, as well as Bob Jones University. I'm broadcasting today and tomorrow from Nashville here at the Gaylord Convention Center right next to Opera Land Road to Majority 2022 with the Faith and Freedom Coalition. So I've got a bunch of even a bunch of interviews I'll conduct over the next couple of days and get those recorded and get get back to Raleigh, God willing, on Sunday. And you'll hear those on the show the next couple of weeks.

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But today, talking to our friend Renton Rathbun. Dr. Rathbun is the director of the Center for Biblical Worldview down at Bob Jones University, going through this conversation, talking about should my child go to a secular university? Unfortunately, most of them will. It's not necessarily the end of the line for them. There's lots of great things that God is doing on secular campuses.

You've got to you've got to work for it. You've got to find it and they have to be dedicated to it. But there's a lot of forces working against them, which is why we're using the phrase grooming.

What's going on with grooming? Pagan evangelicalism is alive and well on just about every secular college campus out there. So it's an important conversation, especially since we just got done with graduation. And a lot of you are sending your sons or daughters off to college for the very first time or they're already there. And you may be noticing some shifts or some holes in their faith or their profession of faith.

And so there are many of them will go through this process that Renton is leading us through these five steps. Number one, accept even praise the student for your faith, for their faith, kind of building a bridge. Hey, my professor is OK with Christians.

This is fine. Number two, distance faith from the classroom material. So all of a sudden, you know, we're going to deal with the real world in here.

Verifiable facts just kind of relegating to their Christian, their Christian faith to the back of the room. Number three, introduce a well packaged, easy to comprehend, sophisticated concept within his subject area, meaning in that class. So that your student starts to think, well, you know, gosh, I get this.

This makes sense to me. I'm I'm learning, man. I'm pretty smart. And eventually I step forward, demonstrate sophisticated idea, majorly conflicts with the Bible.

So now your student is having to pick. Am I going to remain kind of this dedicated Christian, believing the Bible, a really old book? Or now that I'm smart, if I'm going to maintain my intelligence, maybe it's time for me to start casting away my faith or just relegating it to a smaller and smaller corner in my life. And then you get to point number five. But, Ren, again, thanks for being here today. It's such an important topic.

Thank you. I'll tell you, it's it's a hugely important topic because, you know, it's not just that we're talking about, you know, when when your child goes to like one class, you know, kind of puts this formula together. And it's just that one class that they worry about. You know, when we're talking about this process, we're talking about this is a process that happens throughout most of the classes they're taking. So, I mean, think about how many classes this process is happening in. You know, most kids take, what, four, sometimes five classes a semester. Yeah. It's about one hundred and forty credit hours in most colleges for an undergrad degree.

Yeah, that's right. That's a lot of classes. And if they're going away to a secular university, I mean, you know, some kids stay home and go to the local community college university. Some people go away. And if they're going away, you know, then there's an entire other grooming system that happens in the dorms, as well as every event on campus and all that sort of stuff.

But this just shows even if even if all they're doing is going to a local community college or university, this process is still incredibly effective. Yeah. This is even. Go ahead.

Sorry. Well, I was going to say, even as you know, they go through this this conflict and they're thinking about, well, you know, what I call this false dichotomy where they're they think they have to choose between their faith and being and the intelligent world around them. They have they think they have no one to turn to, even though they're going home every day. They've been isolated by the professor so much that they think, like, my parents can't help me.

My pastor can't help me. They don't understand these complex ideas. And so they remain isolated even at home and even at church.

Yeah. So they'll come home, they'll go to church, go at Christmas, they'll go at Easter. But, you know, I think most of them assume if I start questioning some things about Christianity or the Bible or even my own faith, when I'm back with my family and friends, my church crowd, that's not going to go well. They're going to judge me. They're going to start treating me like garbage.

And so I'm just going to come home and play like everything's fine. And that's that point. Number five, you're walking us through right now in this grooming process, isolate students from parents and pastor, which happens anyway, especially if they go off to college.

And but it's happening intellectually and emotionally as well, because they're being more tethered to the secular world of intelligence in the university academia and cutting chords with kind of their old childhood, which was all about going to church. That's right. And you you had even mentioned that there are there are things on campus that are helpful. I mean, they have, you know, they have the crew. Right. They have all kinds of Christian things on campus that that are allowed to be there.

Reformed University Fellowship. I mean, they have all these different things. But even then, you know, the guys that run that stuff are, you know, might have an MDiv. They might they might be well educated, you know, in their in theology and things like that.

But they don't have the the precision of knowledge that these PhDs do in their room, that these guys may or may not be able to help the student that is having real doubts or real issues because of these things where they really do. Yeah. And I think you're in the mind.

Oh, they fester in the mind. And I think like I had a friend of mine text me at the beginning of the show because there's a University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. There's there's I've heard about it for years. It's called the North Carolina Study Center. And some pretty wealthy Christians got together and they bought this beautiful old home right down on the main drag around campus. And it's become this bastion, almost like kind of a library type environment.

And and it's excellent. But my question is, which students are going to go there? Which Christian students are going to go there?

Because you mentioned this in the top at the beginning of the show. Is your son or daughter, are they prepared to go into this environment? And if they're more mature and stronger in their faith and have an intellectual faith, then they're going to gravitate to things like the North Carolina Study Center or to RUF or to CREW or whatever. But I think there's a lot of kids that go off to college and their faith really isn't set in stone. They have pretty weak theology, pretty weak worldview, and they're not going to gravitate towards those things because that kind of represents what they left. So I think, yeah, absolutely.

You can ask some students. Our son went to a totally secular university in Orlando, a media arts school. And he was just surrounded by secularism and anti-Christianity. I mean, it was obvious in a media arts school. Gosh, well, what else would you expect? But he flourished there because he got he got right into a church.

He had a very strong intellectual faith and he flourished. But that's not normal. I don't think that's the normal. I think that's the exception to the rule. Boy, that's the truth. And I and it is so encouraging to hear young young people going out there and fighting the fight because they've been trained how to fight. Right.

I mean, it really comes down. You know, we when I was in basic training, you know, they didn't just throw an M-16 in our hands. We had several weeks of training of what it's like to be a soldier, what it's like to obey orders, what it's like to be on on, you know, out in the field and what it's like.

All these things before they put a gun in our hand. And once they put a weapon in our hand, you know, we're already you know, then we get trained on that. And all that training is designed for battle. There's a lot of training before they ever put a weapon in your hand and then there's a lot of training with the weapons so that if and when you get into a war situation, if and when you get into a conflict that you're ready, you've been trained. And the problem is for most of our kids is they grow up not really in a boot camp. They grow up in a in a in a safe arena where nobody's questioning each other and a lot of kids. And I know this because I teach a lot of students.

Right. I teach a lot of students have for 10 years now. And that's why we started Noble You so that I could teach more noble you as in university school dot com. And and they're just growing up and they talk about echo chamber. We talk about the echo chamber in mainstream media.

There's an echo chamber that happens in our evangelicalism and they don't get challenged. They don't get into fights. And if you don't get into fights, you never have to learn how to defend yourself. And then you go off to college and have a problem. I was kind of finishing your thought in terms of just getting prepared for battle. So that once you're in it, you're ready to go.

They don't just slap a M16 in your hand and throw you out in Afghanistan. You've got to get trained first. And that's the challenge. And we're going to run out of time. But I wanted to let's I think we're going to we're going to be together again next month, Renton. And I think we're actually going to try to do it there on campus.

So when we do, I'd like to I'd like to do a follow up show to this one and discuss two things I want to talk about. You do have alternatives in terms of Christian education and what kind of Christian education actually works. Just because it calls itself a Christian university doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be effective. So I want to talk about that. Obviously, that's in your wheelhouse there at Bob Jones University. But I also want to talk to the majority of people that literally think they can't afford private school. And they have to send their kids to a state school. So if you're going to do that, how do you get them prepared?

Like, how do you prepare your student to deal with these five steps of grooming that a lot of professors are going to use to reach the hearts of our Christian kids? So can we do that next month as a follow up? That sounds outstanding.

I'd love it. All right. Perfect. So we'll do that.

I posted the article for today on both my Facebook pages, my personal page, as well as the Steve Noble Show page. And this is something we need to take very seriously, whether we're talking about college or all the way down to kindergarten. We have to engage the educational system.

We have to be very smart and good stewards of these children the Lord has given us. Renton, thanks for being on, bro. I appreciate you. We'll talk again real soon. All right. Thank you. All right, pal. Take it easy. This is Steve Noble on The Steve Noble Show. God willing, I'll talk to you again real soon. And like my dad always used to say, never forward.