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Dr. Sam Horn

Stuart Epperson is back on the show to talk to Dr. Sam Horn, from Bob Jones Seminary, about the book of James.

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Now here's your host Steve Noble bad around Scripture text in the Bible and I'm tickled to death to have on the show today is our special guest who is a professor is a pastor. He teaches at Bob Jones University. He is Dr. Sam Horn and he knows a little bit about the book of James a word jump right in with him on this epic passage you might know it better as faith without works is dead. Not only this passage in this book is a given connections all kinds of people over the years.

Even the Martin Luther had a dark time with it. In this maybe no doctor warned you not to correct me on this rather this may be what in fact caused Luther to call this the epistle straws is the one that put it in the this is the straw that broke the camels back on outer with the how about that exactly right. Are you doing by the way, great, good, good to hear your voice and I tell you what, when I agreed to sit in Stu Epperson in for Steve Noble when I greeted to take the spot today on this austere wonderful radio show with an amazing radio audience when a fellow who the guest was.

I just kinda like I said, oh, thank the Lord, you know, because I how might you tackle this text without this, then just sue Bible scholar Sam Ward with me was preached it and study it and read it in so were excited to put you not seen today.

Dr. Horn is ready. I am excited about the little game and out.

What an amazing passage were looking at the day you know Luther may have thought about it at straw, but I'm sure that we come together we can see the gold to get woven out of that brought brother get you noticed the noble and I when we're together on the third day we like to call this Greek theology because it's not theology for the ivory tower right theology for where we all live like what we do every day. And so James is an exciting book to me because it sort of reminded me again of the fact that our Christianity wasn't to be lived in an ivory tower wasn't just for Sunday. It is intended to change your life so that we can go out and live authentically as believers in a world desperately needs to know what faith in Jesus Christ look like and what the power of the gospel to do in a broken world.

Dr. Horn so that you said that a lot of folks go to this passage and we will we will talk about the different controversial points will talk about that that the big Protestant Catholic debate everyone saying will Paul and James are contradict each other.

The colts of even use this passage to teach a works salvation, but beyond the negative things that we need to expose that will be naturally servicing during this conversation there are so many compelling positive things in this passage in the whole epistle of James, but particularly chapter 2 where wearing a day and age where it's time for the church of the living God to put up or shut up work where we have communities that are absolutely devastated by gunmen destroying and killing children and teachers we have horrible diseases. We have a war going on in overseas. We have all kinds of drug use. We have there been a heightened level of depression and suicide. And so James is really: but the church of God to to do something to put some shoe leather out here.

Don't you think Dr. Horn yeah I'm glad that I'm from Texas so what's going on you, now you've all day so impactful to me and I noted many many other is almost incomprehensible kind of think of the brokenness and then you think of the tragedy that is going on in the lives of so many families right now.

You can hardly you can hardly count that you can hardly think about it without your your own heart, wondering where in the world is our nation where the world is our God, and it in that kind of a world that James is writing this book to me, these people were living in a world where they were facing unbearable suffering. They were confronted with unmitigated evil. They were living in all the little kingdoms of the world that were filled with unspeakable immorality and idolatry of the worst kind and many of them that you get the book of Hebrews. Many of them were actually suffering immensely for the faith that they had a spout in Jesus Christ. And so James writes the blog writing to people who are part of God's big kingdom, but they been assigned to live or the 70 years that if there's in all the kingdoms of the world and what those kingdoms most needed is exactly what people in our world and in our country. Whether it's Ukraine or Russia, United States, or whether the community like the one I live in or you live in or community that have been devastated by the broken then like what's going on what what this world and what our country mostly is a group of people who are so passionately involved in the gospel of Jesus Christ that their living out their faith in your credible way and change the telling of how to do that easy thought about a wholehearted single focused fully trusting Faye and any talk about that in chapter 1, how do we get that faith what it look like to grow. What do when it encounters a trial how to handle a temptation what what is its relationship to the word of God and then in chapter 2, he gets really direct with people in any talk about two big dangers that come into play and we talked about one of these dangers earlier on an earlier program and that if the danger of faith that is actually deformed and it's deformed by the way that we handle other people. James is making a big deal in the first part of chapter 2 about partiality I and and he said you know it is you show and live out the faith of Jesus Christ. Don't do it with partiality don't serve those that that you insert selectively based on what they can do for you because God is like that God is not partial right as a whole approach to partiality in her life.

So we get to the text that were in the morning rather this afternoon against 214 talking about the danger of assessment we take a break were to come back everything and anything James to welcome your calls or questions come back with Dr. Ward right here, 866343 is a man going round take the name Penny decides who the free delay.

Everybody will be treated all the same will be golden.

Letter preaching is a man name is right is your name written the book of life. What about the demons it says even the demons believe and they tremble. What about dad faith versus living faith without Paul in Romans chapter 4 and five.

Is he contradicting James and James chapter 2 pulses a day. No one is justified by works by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight also says that in Galatians 2 yet. James two says faith without works is dead. In fact, on my program truth talk years ago. Dr. Sam was our guest. I'm Stu Epperson everybody Steve Noble theological Thursday James chapter 2 is in the crosshairs on my show.

I had a leading Catholic apologist who we are very friendly. Had a good discussion, but he said you know, still the only time that it says faith alone in the Bible is when James says man is not saved by faith alone. In fact, he says the word justified to make things even more confusing man is not justified by faith alone, you like wait a second I thought the whole impetus the very thought of all your ministry. You know the word of God and the whole Reformation the whole Scriptures and all of Romans for was all about faith alone in Christ alone, by grace alone, and you are telling me James says a man is not justified by faith alone. So this Catholic gentleman was trying to to bankrupt everything I've ever believed Dr. Sanborn how about this James to passage what about it says you know what what what you how do you deal with people to come at you like that and and tell you that James and Paul are most had a big time feud going on they were like the ancient first century. Hatfield's and McCoy's yeah and I know that's always the question that I think really comes up in part of the answer to that is you know that the Bible was actually written by one author ultimately is inspired by God and so it doesn't contradict itself, so whatever's going on here. Paul and James are not contradicting themselves so that the first thing that you got, come to you, look at the Scripture and then you start realizing okay there the context of this and contact always matters Paul is answering a different question than the question James is answering his cell when you get the answer that Paul is giving you answering the question, how does a man receive righteousness from God about really clear about that. You don't get that righteousness based on any work that you do and you can see this in Titus chapter 3 see this in Ephesians chapter 2 that there is nothing that I contribute to the justification the righteousness that Jesus Christ earned for me by completing the law of life and the dying in my place on the cross so when Paul said that that man is saved by faith alone.

That's exactly what what what he's going James on the other hand, is entering a very different question is answering the question what kind of faith actually say no to polyandry question. How does Meg get saved in the answer is by faith and only by faith.

And so James says so what kind of faith is that because there are ton of people who actually would claim to believe everything that you and I believe about Jesus Christ and JF actually did make a really shocking statement about that. To say that demons actually believe what you and I believe about you know exactly who he is bait. They know exactly where it came from heaven they know exactly the position he occupied the second member of the Trinity and they know exactly what he came to do back when they met him on the earth they they were terrified at their encounter, begging him not to send them to the appointed place of damnation and of the time.

So James actually said because you claim a certain thing. Don't assume that your claim is the same as a living bait well and that that's what is going on.

He wants to know what kind of faith you have and so James that you show me your faith without your works reentered you can't give all you have is words and that's all you can do. You really can't demonstrate the vitality and the authenticity of your faith only way to demonstrate that authenticity is what that faith produces. So the really really completely conjoined. The really incomplete cohesion is just one author of the book of Romans. He's talking about youas the is the root of salvation and in James. James is talking about the works as the fruit of salvation. And so you got you got different battlefields. Going on. You got different fronts.

I love what what one Bible scholar says that your week, you know, while some people try to put James and Paul in a duel with guns aimed at each other.

They are, in fact, back to back with their guns aimed out and Paul shooting down the people that are saying the Judaizers that are saying you got to be saved by keeping law by works. James soon down to be with her saying, well, there's just this little County easy believe is something that I can just I can say I have faith and not do anything about it. I can say I love God, and treat treat poor people like dirt. I can say that I won't listen, but I can be a double minded man about all of it. I can be a here and not a doer in James's attack on that front.

Dr. Warren it is that is that close to what you try to say yeah absolutely unmade thing that Paul and James both use Abraham to make their case rightly both use Abraham in Romans chapter 4 Paul said, let me tell you about how a man is justified in the sight of God and so he points Abraham and Abraham assert what was was saying he was counted righteous on the basis of this belief, this is what Genesis 15 talked about writing believe God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. And then he was circumcised the weather. It wasn't circumcision that brought him the righteousness it was his belief and so now Dave is going to take Abraham at the let me show you what can I believe he actually had when God spoke to him in heat. He immediately did what God said. Member Hutchings once said, be quick to hear, slow to speak.

Be slow to wrath. As soon as Abraham heard the voice of God is 75-year-old man rich and powerful and highly placed in the massive city of God told him to leave everything he departed, he was quick to hear and he didn't argue back with God. He was slow to speak and we got to the land and there was no city and he had to live in tents and then when he was walking around and his nephew Lot looks overly see this little plane and he sees the city of Sodom and he decide I want the best part of land that are getting angry. He was slow to anger Abraham consistently listened and responded to what ever God that that's what faith is. Faith is believing God not just believing in God believing God and it's interesting you honestly Jesus had a really anything thing to say. I think this is what James is going that not everybody says to me Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom that had to be something about that is really starting to the people who heard Jesus say we go take a break these in the hot seat was one of the hottest passages in the Bible for change to we come back to your question 866-34-TRUTH thing on more than enough Faith without works is dead. Dr. Sam Horn is with us to clear the air and to give us some encouraging words in a day and age where what is faith look like if you if you if you Dr. Ward could ask anybody about what true living, vibrant transformational faith looks like. Why don't ask the dude that grew up as a roommate and is 1/2 brother of the Lord Jesus Christ himself. When you say that it introduces that the book as a servant of Jesus Christ doesn't even try to trade on his brother's notoriety, but Dr. Horn that right there tells you volumes about this man they called families because of his deep prayer life and tells you a lot about this text were even looking at today, what would you agree and what are your thoughts on all that. Yeah that's exactly right.

Yes sir. Okay good I got a little blurb on my phone line here. So I think you're exactly right at me when you talk about Abraham's faith. I think what I'd like to do and I think this is where we need to go with it. As we got every right down the street level where we live, and that is that how many times you run into people and they open their mouth, and they tell you. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe the son of God.

I believe he came to the earth part of the Virgin II believe he was crucified in her own cross, and I believe he rose again in the third day and and he's my he's my he's my Savior. And so you listen to that language come out of their mouth and and you're done because that's exactly what New Testament language talk like writing the next.

In essence that somebody looking at either the saying he's my Lord Jesus said many of you are going to call me Lord. They Lord, Lord, so there's a ton of people in this country grown up yet.

Obviously, in a place were so thankful we have the opportunity to hear the gospel and were have the opportunity to worship freely in and were so grateful for those freedom. But how many times have you run into people and what comes out of your mouth is exactly what Jesus was talking about when he said now many of you are calling the Lord. Then he said, but not all of you are going to enter into the kingdom of heaven. That's really a stunning thing to imagine James is doing. In essence you getting up on Sunday morning and looking at the congregation and said not all of you that are here this morning that would call your Lord. Some of you may not enter into the kingdom of heaven because you don't have a living thing. So what does a living faith look like, and so the answer is a living faith actually works. It actually produces the kind of deeds that Abraham's faith produced and so James is been talking about this writing talked about it in chapter 1, when he said a living faith endures trials, a living faith knows how to resist temptation, a living faith is quick to hear and slow to speak is even slower to anger, a living faith doesn't show partiality, a living faith does the works of faith. And that's exactly what Abraham did and all through Abraham's life he lived out his faith consistently for more than 60 years until there came a point at the very end of the narrative in Genesis 22, when God said, Abraham and I want to validate your faith. I want your faith to be validated so everybody knows what it's really like and so he says Abraham you member all the way back when when I was it when you are in and I said to you go to a land and you got Avenue followed me will have another place I want you to go I want you to go to Mount Moriah and I wanted to take Isaac with you member Isaac was the son that Abraham and Sarah had waited for he was the son of faith you member how they had Ishmael and God said to Abraham.

Though it smells not to bless Ishmael is all right, but he's not the son bless the earth through is not the son. I promised and so all of a sudden comes Isaac and when Isaac is a young man probably in his 30s. God is Abraham I want to take Isaac and I want to go the mountain and I want to sacrifice well that was stunning. That was done in the Scripture says in Genesis 22 that Abraham got up and he took Isaac and he began to go on the journey and there's no there's no words that come out Abraham's mouth. He's quick to hear, so that brings me to question my own life and really in your life and in all the lives of the people listening to our show today what's coming out of our life and what is it say about our faith doesn't confirm the genuineness of our faith. If what is consistently coming out of her life is ongoing disobedience to the things that God is said and there's a real question about the genuineness of our faith doesn't mean that they're not moments when we sin because there were moments in Abraham's life where he said we got two of those recorded remember when he took Sarah down to Egypt and he deceived and he put her in harm's way in a little later on the same thing with a collective not like Abraham was perfect. The Scripture never describes Abraham a sinless jump in with with a question. It it's really been a point of contention flood will finish that word is you your tractor yet, so it never never presented at sinless buddies always presented as a faith that is growing and deepening in his following God and after every time of failure. Abraham repented and went back to the place where you build an altar to renew his relationship with God. Okay, so Doc and I don't think that that's us a faith that works of faith it's lived out now and this is the steel was on Stu Epperson Junior host of truth talking Ripley clips of this on my show that at some point. It's just I just love sitting at the feet of godly men who study he's been studying the word, preaching or teaching the word on the college and seminary level for decades.

He is Dr. Sam Horn with Bob Jones University seminary of theology. Thursdays also want to call it a tough text Thursday because this is a tough text.

Dr. Horn and by the way the other question about if you're struggling with this. Maybe you struggle with this.

The Catholic view of this, or maybe a struggle with well if you have my say by I can have a little bit works I gotta bring a little something to the table here you're struggling with that Academy baptized Elise to be saved any view that you would hitch James chapter 22 that you think that we were not.

You're not jiving with what were talking about.

We love to hear from you. Have a friendly conversation. No question is about question 866-348-7884 toll free 866-348-7884 and we got a few more minutes left in the segment we got one more closing segment will try to come to put a bow on this but the doctor worn this verse right here is what kind of really gets it. It sticks a lot of folks crawled have confusion about this was not Abraham our father justified by works, so there you have some residual error. Abraham justified by works, and they mentioned the same event you cited from Genesis 22 when he offered Isaac his son on the altar. You see that faith was working together with his works. Verse 22 James two and I works faith was made perfect so it of course they don't read verse 23, but when someone comes at you and in in people listening that make maybe there Catholic friends are trying to come at them as a guy little bit works.

You know it's it's faith it's night & grace.

Of course, but I gotta contribute to me. I gotta do something not in the site.

This verse, Dr. Horn, how do you apply it says Abraham was justified by works when you respond to them. So there's another text in the New Testament work with them justified by her children and that the same word rights of the word in it. Contact has to be the meaning of a word has to be determined by the context when I say wisdom is justified by her children. What I mean by that is wisdom is proven to be with this by what comes out of it right so if I claim to have wisdom. The only way that you're going to know that I actually have wisdom is the decisions and the effect of those decisions in my life and in the life of others so wisdom is justified.

The idea there is validated to vindicate price just okay you get Abraham's faith was validated. It was vindicated by what came out of what came out of it with this amazing work deed right so if you go back to James chapter 1 he talks about what comes out of temptation right what is the work of temptation.

What comes out when temptation actually works then and that what comes out of sin is death. So, what about faith what comes out when faith actually work this incredible obedience to God. This unquestioned obedience to God even when God acts something that is impossible is unthinkable after got but but he never said that Abraham actually believed that God was going to do something if he actually sacrificed Isaac. Abraham believed that God could and would keep his word, even if it meant that he had to raise Isaac from the dead. Yes yes oh yes with an amazing believe this was an amazing this is saving faith a real genuine saving faith correctly was I think one reformer said faith for you. Faith that sit faith that saves is a faith that what goes is faith that this is it doesn't take faith and works to be saved, but faith that saves will work. That is nice here. I faithful faith. In other words, yes or disabled. I love that in the next verse of the Scriptures and filled Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness modifies the belief was the faith in God only can say by his work were coming up on this day I in our gallery and so was it okay if I could have a portrait of a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ are true saved through and through person.

What would a person look like in there on the campus is the book of James, a portrait of a true servant of Christ faith without works is dead. We've been unpacking that all our along with our special guest no idea just another tribute to the amazing listeners on this network and to this program. Caller called after the break to correct manner quota. So glad that he did. He said the quote is faith alone saves, but faith that saves is never alone and Dr. Horn. That's, that's right, along the lines of what you've encountered saying all our long faith that saves utilization of faith that saves is never alone right I, you think is another example in the same paragraph we never really talk about when it talks about Abraham's faith.

There's also Rahab today and if James is answering the question how does a person get the kind of righteousness that will deliver him from the judgment of God when it comes the answer is you gotta have the kind of faith that Abraham had and it starts by believing God, but it is actually matured and it is grown as you listen to God and if you follow God and it is validated by the works that come out of your life. But how do you know that faith will actually deliver you on the day of God's judgment when it falls on the wicked of the earth how you know that the faith that Abraham had and how do you know that your own faith will actually work when you needed to know you got a working faith, but how do you know that your faith will actually do what you most need it to do on the day you most needed to do it on the day of judgment you got this wonderful story of the first Canaanite convert to Israel the first Gentile outside of Moses father-in-law Jethro to come into a covenant relationship with Israel and her name is Rahab she is. This prostitute who welcomes the two messengers.

It is interesting that there call messengers everywhere else in the Bible and Joshua and Hebrews there. Call five. But here there. Call messengers and they have come to Jericho and to go back to Joshua to is pretty evident that they been talking about what's about to happen in Rahab's been listening, because she actually quotes things out of Exodus 15 that she heard from these met and she has embraced the crude that the God of heaven is the only true God is going to give her land to these people and can you imagine somebody coming into your city and saying hey God is good to give America to another nation. I mean, you would be absolutely appalled by that. Well, that's exactly what happened. Rahab, she actually became convinced that God was going to give the land she lived in the city she lived in Israel and she sided with them and welcome to spy on the day that yeah on the David Joshua got there and the city fell. Yes, it was the only one deliver Rahab so her faith in God actually delivered or on the day she most needed it, but it didn't just deliver it broader and Israel married a guy named Salman who was of the tribe of Judah and salmon and Rahab had a little boy named Boese who married a woman named Ruth and eventually out of Boaz and Ruth came somebody named David and eventually out of David Kane, Jesus Christ amazing to me that God is not ashamed to be Abraham's friend, the patriarch, but he's also not ashamed to be the friend of Rahab the products to you and I don't get to pick our ancestors. What she got to pick his Jesus got to pick his and when he picked it would be in his line. He reached all the way back that I want Canaan prostitute to be one of my ancestors and he elevated her to one of the highest places in all of Israel.

And that's the beauty of the gospel. That's what it saving faith looks like it's a faith that works and if the faith that saved and it's a faith that's faithful to attempt to contextualize this rollover. Listeners just think the thought that the seed of the woman prophesied in Genesis 315 way back when.

That would be the serpent crushers that would crush the head of the serpent would come through this pagan season unclean Gentile harlots woman name Rahab in here you have these Jewish believers that James is really come out hard to tell them that hate show me your faith wears your faith of their you talk about how you're treating poor people like dirt your put them in the back of the back of the church in your let the wealthy people to root out all the jewelry and the bling bling sit up front so that he has the audacity to say look the same way that Abraham your father the original called out one father Abraham the same way. He was remarkably saved by faith and it was accounted of Rice's was the same way that Rahab this unclean Jew. So imagine that the smug Jews who James is writing this to, but what a picture of how the we should all rejoice in this Dr. or I just love your insights into the ground is the ground still level at the foot of the cross. Can anyone come to Jesus listening to us talk right now we unclean the dirty is their wealth are too far gone there run away their family. Will you talk to them.

They believe they've wasted their life is never too late for someone to come to Jesus. Dr. Horn. And it all in the gospel according to Rahab make that really clear and you know think maybe one of the application for all of this is you know we are so bound up in trying to fix all the things that affect us personally and and I'm that way your that way I live in a country that it's in a chaotic mess right now and it's affecting me in every way. Brighten your paper gas. When I go to grocery store and I want to fix things that affect me but but maybe what we should be doing with our faith as we should be going after people like Rahab, saying, you know like there's a place at the cross for you and and what we do speak a whole lot more than just what we say and my concern for my own life and that what comes out of my mouth may actually undermine what the gospel really is because of what is actually happening and how I'm handling my life as I get frustrated with all things that are going on around him that that's really what James is going on going out he's going. You know you need to validate your faith by what comes out of your life, not just what comes out of your mouth you, but I hope that everyone listens to show comes on a podcast form is downloaded, you can stream it whenever a free Truth Network app that's the people I get excellent I do love you.

Happy to listen where you are, you can share it now. I've shared with 40 people while on the show today say listen, I sure we are a Chandra buddy Tom in Pawleys Island Dr. or Allison him and Pat are listed on the other tree sap to you, man. Do not listen for me. I know that I'll tell you what's so important speak to this and in I know that University Bob Jones University seminary is been a great partner here with us, you Noble showed a minor to Stu Epperson's are here to sit and for Stephen to have been able to interview you about this book we talk about the importance of being under the word of God. You know you've heard this man help process and help teach expositor important passage of Scripture. And there's so many seminaries are really cemeteries as their dead are not equipping you there. There we call with a nice word is liberals are really evil and what they're doing is are you spending every waking moment defending the Bible and the veracity and was Jesus a man or woman all this nonsense, but in your seminary. Dr. Ward and other good seminaries during equipping men of God to teach the word of God, and that's what people are really hungry for hungry for the law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul we are begotten by the word of God.

James one. This is his word that's engrafted to the same assault you speak to the importance that of the wrap up here yeah I said it well be quick to hear, close speak. Be slow to anger. Talk about being a doer of the word, and not just a hearer only one things I love about the noble is not gotten to become more acquainted with him is everything wrong to show always drive back to the word of God, not in a conceptual way, not in an ivory tower. But what what you need to look like on the street of our life and I love that that's as I go off the show today I'm going to wages with a reminder that I don't just get the talk about this and is not just something I get to sit in an office and in study if God be lived out on the street. It's gotta be Street or the theology and that that's where all of us live all of us have a desire to serve God. We have to live out the word and the only way were to live out the words actually know the word yes I'm knocking to live out a word I don't really know and I don't get to live out my own version of right of. Gotta live out the word that God intended for me to live and that's why I need to be under that word every week in my local church and I would encourage all of you listening pray for your pastor and support your pastor and be at your church when he opens up the word of God.

Be swift to hear.

Be slow to speak even slower to anger and be a doer of the word that you hear every week because you are faithful shepherds opening up God's word in the spirit of God will take that word and make your faith work well for love and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, and that's why we do this program.

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