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The Biblical Basis for Self Defense

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May 17, 2022 5:30 am

The Biblical Basis for Self Defense

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May 17, 2022 5:30 am

Gun Owners of America’s Jordan Stein and Chris Hughes discuss what the Bible says about gun ownership and self-defense.

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Hi this Roy Jones with mental radio podcast. Our mission is to break down the walls of race and denomination your chosen truth radio broadcast will be starting in just a few seconds. Thank you. This is the Truth Network get ready. It's one of America's most important, influential, respected voices on cultural and political issues and apologist first political advocate and author. Here is the founder and chairman of the America foundation, Dr. Chris hello work of the Christian perspective. I'm excited to have you here today could never talk about it is very important you know that I on defender of the Second Amendment and there are a lot of great organizations that one of the organizations that I am a member, but I'm a lifetime member gun owners of America and over the last year were really couple years now I've developed a friendship with a guy named George Stein he like yesterday and Jordan is just a not even the guy not only they believe the second amendment.

Like maybe Jordan is also a strong follower of Jesus Christ and he and his wife traveled around the country, encouraging Christians and others to defend the Second Amendment and in self-defense. And so you want to go get a notebook and take notice today because of the Christian you know the show we talk about the Christian perspective, what does the Bible say on issues and and how can we apply that to our lives that day, Jordan are going to talk about the biblical basis of self-defense, so call your friends. Don't get on take notes because were to jump in here just a minute, but first I want to thank our sponsor Mid-America Baptist theological seminary. They host our studios. A Christian perspective radio program right here in beautiful Memphis, Tennessee. So we thank them for doing that. If you're looking for place to go to college. I would encourage you to check out the College of Mid-America College of Mid-America Christian institutions.

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I'll probably talk about this invented it so important for Christians to register to vote. There were 40 million Christians are eligible to vote and are not registered about the United States of America today to get educated on the issues and then a engage in the political arena and in public policy and I know that something gun owners of America want you to do as well. We need to get engages Christians may be one of the issues you don't know about the issue were talk about the day which is a gun ownership in the right to self-defense and should a Christian own garden and and is it okay to support candidates who support the Second Amendment and that's what want to educate Joan today so my guess is is Jordan Stein. He is with gun owners of America and Jordan welcomed the show started.

Have you back on the program I am thrilled to be back can come off the high from the cultural engagement soma that was a great event.

I'm glad GUA could be there.

Well we were honored to have you there. You know, as I said in opening.

I'm a life member of gun owners of America and your great organization because you're probably the most conservative gun enthusiast organization and and Second Amendment rights organization out there. I'm not talking others are members of some of the other organizations as well, but y'all take a strong stance in and you don't bend over, compromise and and that's something we've seen way too much of in our society is people compromising K-1 for Jumper that I know you been on here before, but somebody might just be hearing you for the first time Jordan can you share a little bit about who you are what you do it gun owners of America Southeast regional Dir. for GUA so I cover a dozen states Io managing our interest in and affairs in Italy representing gun owners in the state and any mistakes we did have localized state directors as well, but I cannot help them in and everything, but we'll we do about fighting for the Second Amendment without compromise and even sometimes we Tension Flak from Anti-Gunners. Oh, I Remember Harry Reid, the Late Sen. He Said That GUA Was Worse Than Bad.

So When You Know You're Catching Flak like That Year over the Right Target Illness over the First Circle. He Was a Liberal. Yeah, He Was Not a Friend and Gun Owners Are Christians All on on Many Issues and You Know It's When He Spoke Ill of You.

You Know You're Doing Something Right so That's We're about a Nurse All Right We We Take a Firm Stand on the Second Amendment, Will We Get We Don't Compromise We Believe, That Shall Not Be Infringed Actually Mean Shall Not Be Infringed Enough to Stay Here That We Hold Politicians to We Will Not Compromise on the Second Amendment Because If You If You Give 1 Inch They Will Keep Coming for Miles and You Look Back to Our History and Sadly All Gun Owners Have Done It, Not GUA but Gun Owners Generally Have Have Compromise, Delete, We Can See the Ground on This Issue in the Next Issue in the Next Issue and If We Keep Doing This, We Will Have Any Right to Left None at All.

So That's What Were Standing up or Say No More and More Our Rights Restored Back to the Standard of Shall Not Be Infringed When the Joe Form Is an Organization and Was or Something That the Formation of Gun Owners of America. We Were Started in 1976 Actually Lie a Former NRA Board Member Rachel Richerson. He Was a State Senator in California Back before California Was Completely Call Me but He Was a State Sen. There. He Wanted to Do for His Own Organization and He Did It in 1976 the Work Actually One of the Oldest.

No Political Engagement in a Political Action Organizations EEO NRA Has Obviously Been around the 1800s, but You Know and I Don't Have To Have To Go Back and Check Exactly but We're Idling Were Actually Older on the Political Side That the Net Group to Admin Their Political Then Their Equivalent Political Side We've Been in This Fight. Since You Know You Well You Perform These Committees Severely Form These Groups and in Fighting in the Trenches for a Long Time and I'm Very Proud That All of Our Records, You Know, in You Know the over 40 Years We've Been in This Fight We Have Never Compromised and We Never Know Said Okay You Can Do That Swished out We We've Held the Standard of Shall Not Be Infringed Every Day in the Dust We Fight, the Dunes Will We Continue to Do so. Do You Do so People Who Might Not Be Familiar, You Know, I Don't Know Why NRA Seems to Be a Co-Term. People Are More Familiar with and Maybe Your Listeners a Baby Never Heard of Got a Large American by the Way, You Can Visit Got All Ugly Website Right Gun Yes, Gentlemen on Oral Depth. So Jordan What Do Y'all Do You Provide Education As Her As Her Gun Safety Training Do You or Your Supporting Candidates Will, One of the Services the Gun Owners of America Provides to His Member. So Our Bread and Butter No Service If You Will Are What You Get Is You Get When We Give You the Tools We Get the Gun over the Second Limit Supporter. Anyone That Holds Him to Be the Armchair Lobbyist Right Because What We All Got Lives. We All Know How to Put Food on the Table. Worker Jobs. We Can't Keep up with the Set with All the Political News Is Going on but We Do That for You Only Say Hey Ill Nurse Constitutional Carry Bill Moving in Your State Health Io Take Action to Support It so We Can Provide You with Prewritten Action Alerts and Emails and Postcards That You Can Take Action on and Contact Your Representatives and Actually Make a Difference Because When Politicians Fill the Heat They See the Light and That's Been Proven over and over Again. The How We Activate the Grassroots and Just Don't Make Make the Politicians Actually Understand What Shall Not Be Infringed, Means That That Is Our Our Bread and Butter You Know That the Core of What We Do on a Second and We Do Have an Impact Would You Support Candidates on Sometimes When There's a Candidate, Whether Republican or Democrat Who Io Compromises on the Second Amendment. We We Seek to Given the Boot and Put Someone in Who Will Actually Fight for the Second Amendment and and Will Not Compromise on That You Know in and Primaries Are Our Big Deal, I Think You Alluded to It a Little Earlier. You Know Where Announcing Election Candidate Endorsements from Primaries All around the Country, You Know, in North Carolina Had Blood Is Is Are Champions of the Senate. He Is Currently a Congressman. He Is Been One of the Most Stand out Second Amendment Defenders in the House and He Easily Peel the Gun Store Is the Real Deal and Left Lower Proud to Support Him. He Would Make a Fantastic Sen. in the State of North Carolina That All You Race Yes Cognitive I Can Interrupt You. The Other File Separate the U.S. Senate Is Really on the Cusp of Having a Major Change That the House Is to I Believe in This Year, but This Is 2022 Is a Major Election Year. There Will Be Some Big Senate Races Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Others in the North Carolina Race May Be the Most Expensive Race There Saying It in the History of the Nation Entered the Primary Thing Just Next Week in North Carolina Enters about Eight or Nine Candidates Running Their Three Bigger Candidates but Ted but Is Received Present Trumps Endorsement and Is Very Interesting to See Who Comes out. I Think This Is Another Former's Supreme Court Justice That Race on the Democrat Side.

Yes I Believe so As Well. She I Really Don't Anchor What Our Bread and Sometimes These the Democrats Are Are Sneaky. It Was Always in Virginia a Couple Years Ago When the Virginia Took over That That the State Legislature. They Didn't Necessarily Run on a Radical with Radically Anti-Gun Ticket. We Knew That There Were a High Density, Hid Their Views on the Second Amendment on so You Have To Be Very Careful Because You Know Democrat When She Line Feel Right You I Will Get Letter for That. But That's Okay, They're Not Paying Him an Equal Opportunity Person, so Don't Know.

But You're Right, Jordan, Because They Lie on This Issue.

Every Time Somebody Get Shot. Your Pres. Biden Is Just Disgusted Me on This Issue. Anything Happens in the State of Denouncing the Criminals Who Commit That Gun Did Not Commit a Crime.

Criminal and and You Know He Just Wants to Jump on the Guns Every Chance You Can in a Sneaky Tag of a Bad Is the Tax Ammunition to Make It. You Might Get the Gun to Make Ammunition so Expensive You Can Afford to Get It Right Here in America, Only a Little Bit about His Basis of Self-Sufficiency. This Show Is Brought to You by Generous Jokes. The Coffee Company with the Christian Perspective, This Is the Answer That Christians and Conservatives Have Been Looking for a Coffee Company That Gives Back to Causes You Care about.

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He Helped Ratify the Constitution by Writing the Federalist Papers with Madison and Hamilton, John J Stated We Have the Highest Reason to Believe That the Almighty Will Not Suffer Slavery in the Gospel to Go Hand-In-Hand Cannot, Will Not Be One Chris You'd like Yesterday When George Side Jordan His Wife Work with Gun Owners of America.

They Travel the Country Defending the Second Amendment in the Neat Thing about That All Parts of America As They Do Not Compromise Urban Other Organizations Are Second Amendment. We Appreciate Them for the Work They Do. But Sometimes As Other Organizations Compromised Gun Owners of America Does Not Compromise and They Endorsed Strong Candidates to Defend the Second Amendment and They Educate Their Members and Voters on the Importance of Gun Ownership in the Importance of Supporting the Second Amendment to the Constitution Endured. I Do Want to Get in to the Biblical Basis in a Minute.

But before We Do That You Share with Our Listeners Every Day They Might Not Know That They Might Hear the Term Second Amendment They Don't Know What That Means. What Is the Second Amendment, the Constitution and What Are You Guys Fight to Defend the Second Amendment to the Well-Regulated Militia, Being Necessary to the Security of a Free State, the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed, Which Some of Those Wars We Don't Necessarily Use in Our Normal Vocabulary Every Day and What the Militia You Know Security of a Free State. You Know What in These Terms Really Mean and I Think That's What We Had to Go Back to the Importance of Our Founders and What They Actually Said about This and I Believe It Was George Mason That When He Was Asked about You Know Who Is the Militia Always Said Is That Everyone except the Few Public Officials Right and We Look Back at What the Supreme Court Is Said and Not That the Supreme Court Is Right All the Time but the Supreme Court Has Ruled Largely That the Second Amendment Is an Individual Right. That Was in the Heller Decision in the Subsequent McDonald Decision Whereas If Not a Collective Right to a National Guard or Whatever, but It Is an Individual Right That You Are the American What Has Ruled on That Yes It End up in the Heller and the Subsequent Move up McDonald Decision That Was the Big Outcome Know That Individuals Have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Is Not a Collective Right to a Militia. That's Important Because I Hear so Many Liberals They Will.

That's Not What Is the Need Second Amendment Means That You Only Pure Member of a Militia.

So If You're Not a Member of an Organized like Government Sanctioned Militia Should Own a Gun and so That's Important for a Listeners Understand Supreme Court in Interpreting the Constitutionality of the Second Amendment Is That It Is an Individual Right That so Thank You for That Elevator Is Important for Listeners to Know and Understand Is Not Just in Reference to Being Part of a Government Sanctioned Militia yet Another Point That Many Anti-Gunners like to to Bring up an Internet Term. They like to Use the Term Well-Regulated Right so That Means That the Second Amendment Allows for Gun Control Right to Regulate Guns Well Nested. Another Point We Have To Look at the Context of What Words Meant Back Then. Sometimes in the English Language Words, Change Definitions over Time and How We Use the Term Regulated Is Is Kinda Different Today Is Different Than How They Use the Term Back Then When They Use a Route Well-Regulated Statement That All Well-Trained and Well Organized.

A Well-Kept Organization Right so You Know, Sometimes the Term You Is Easy like a Well-Regulated Watch Keeps Time Right so It Wasn't That You This Sacrament Allows for Gun Control, but It Actually Allows for No We Should Be Trained in the Use of Arms on Port and the at What I Love about the Second Amendment, Is It Free If It Assumes the Rights Already Established Rights. The Second Amendment, and This Was the Beautiful Segue into Our Subject. The Second Amendment Does Not Give You the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, the Right of Self-Defense Comes from God in Our Founders Recognized the Source of Our Rights in the Declaration Of Independence. It Sunk so Beautifully Written and It Just It Assumes That We Know We Have the Right Estate Why We Have To Swipe the Protectors of in It and It Says That That Right Cannot Be Regulated in Any Way Just so Cleanly Clearly Written Well and I Think Is a Good Segue Jordan into What the Bible Says That I Hear A Lot Of People You Talk about What You Know You Shouldn't Have Guns or Weapons, but You're Not Reading the Bible All throughout the Bible up and Yell and A Lot Of People Today. I Hear A Lot Of Sermons Be about Popular Today Will When Nehemiah Was Rebuilding the Wall around Jerusalem.

He Commanded Every Man That Is Working on the Wall Where a Sort.

To Be Able to Defend, at the Time It People of the Run around and Say That Jesus Was Some Pacifist and He Would Never Support the Second Amendment.

Do You Think That Jesus Taught Pacifism or Would He Support Us of Being Able to Defend Ourselves. I Don't Believe That Christ Felt Pacifism. You Know You You When People Argue This Point You like to Bring up like Matthew 538 and 39 Were That They Say and I Tried to Further Tooth but Don't Resist Evil Person Who Are Slaps You on the Right Turn. You Know, Turn the Other Cheek Right Well I Think We Look at the Exact What That Is Talking about Is Talking about, You Know Someone Craft Insulting You Work Notes Me and You Trying to Take Vengeance against Their Insult. I Don't Think You Know That Exact Scripture Is Talking about, You Know, an Actual Physical Assault on You and That Were That Would Go against Other Passages in the Bible As Well. I.E. We'll Talk about the Words of Jesus in Luke 2236 and I'm Gonna Paraphrase It but It Says That If You If You Told His Disciples That They Didn't Have a Sort of Filter Coat and Got My Sort and the Disciples Said That I We Had to. And You Said That's Enough so You Had to Disciples Back in Bali the Whole Time They Were in the Ministry. Armed with Weapons. I Imagine My Son I Would Talk about Simon the Zealot Was One of the Disciples. Ali Was Probably Very Skilled in the Use of Weaponry Is Zealot at That Time and We Know That Here the Night before Jesus Crucifixion. He Was in the Garden of Gethsemane, Praying, Peter Cut off the Ear of a Man Named Balko's Will. Peter Would've Been Able to Cut off That Year If He Wasn't Armed in Your Jesus Knew That He Was Armed When He Was Traveling with Them.

It Frustrates Me When Liberals Love to Take Bible Verses You like You Were Saying the Turn the Other Cheek Bible Verse I Hear That A Lot Will We Should Just Utility That Uses Just Wants People to Shoot Us and Kill Us. I Don't Agree with That and and They Take These Bible Verses Out Of Context and Unfortunately so Few Christians Read and Study the Bible Today That the They Can't Argue All the Liberals Have To Do It. So Bible Verse up Christian Doesn't Know Anything about the Bible Verse in One Verse Taking Out Of Context. You Can't Do That When You're Studying the Word of God. There's a Contactor Might Be a Chapter Do They Just That One Verse Your Out Of a Chapter 2 That Are Talking about That Subject and We Fall for That Trick and That's One of the Reasons It's so Important for Us to Be Firm in the Word of God and to Understand What God's Word Says about These Issues. I Know I Get to Go Hear Him Speak and I Hated That You Work Recently at the Culture Engagements, As You Mentioned That We Had a Bit the Tennessean You Brought a Man Statement Stephen Williford with You to That Event of It so Correctly You're Probably Butchering the Facts Here, but I Think It Was 2017 There Was a Church Shooting Somewhere in Texas and Stephen Help Defend the Members That Church You but during That Story. What Happened That Day. I Would Love to. Stephen Williford Was Relaxing on a Sunday Morning I Had a Big Workday the Next Day Sets While He Wasn't in Church to Seek to Go on Call. He Does Need Needed the Rest of It Was Relaxing and He Heard What He Thought Were Actually the Daughter Came up to Him and Said I Think I Hear Gunshots at the First Baptist Church If He Was in a Very Small Town in Texas Called Sutherland Springs Very Small Town 600 People and so His Daughter Goes up to the to the Church Drive to the Church and Comes Back It's Is There Someone Shooting up the First Baptist Church and so Williford Goes to His Gun Safe Au Gratin Is AR 15 and Will End Only Loads up Eight Rounds Because He Didn't Have Any Loading Magazines or Loaded Gun in His House and Went out and Engage the Shooter and He Shot at the Sugar Six Times in All Six Shots of His Hit the Target.

He Forced the Shooter to Flee the Scene and Eventually the Sugar Took His Own Life, but by Him Intervening. He Saved Many Many People's Lives That Day, and Sadly That Was One of the Worst.

Her Shootings in Texas and Will Explore the War Shootings at a Place of Worship, but It Could've Been so Much Worse If He Hadn't Stopped and Save People's Lives by Doing Good and and Using His Gun for Good You Will. I Remember When That Happened and There Were Series of Shootings Very Very Quickly Read about That Time I Didn't Realize the Shot. The Perpetrator Six Term Annuity and Injured Him but I Know As a Result of That Churches across the Country Began to Take Notice and Realize That Your Satan Will Do Anything to to Try to Defeat the Word of God and God's People in A Lot Of Evil People Were Trying to Go to Churches and Hurt Them Answer Churches Begin to Have Safety Courses Were, They Would Have Men and Women That Were Basically Creating Their Own Security Teams on Sunday Mornings. I Don't Know Did Gun Owners of America and Assisted in the Illustrated Course of the Cross Country When That Happened. We Certainly Encourage That.

And Personally, I Do Serve on a Sky Safety Team Will at My Church Which We Think That That Very Seriously.

It Is so Important That We Realize That Sadly There Are Clear We Know We Have Evil Hearts Knows Scripture Is Very Clear That Our Hearts Are Are Wicked and Sometimes There Are People Who Know Art Is Overcome by That They Want to Do Evil Things, Know in Sutherland Springs That Shooter Attacked at Church Because He Hated His In-Laws That with Their Hated Christians. That's Why He Went up Had Body Armor Had a Life All Had Handguns with More with Many Magazines on It and He Attacked at Church Because of Hate Is Not a Fun Subject Is Not Something I like to Relish on but It's a Reality We Live in.

In This World and I Think We Need to Be Prepared to Fight against That, I Agree. I Live Where I Live in the Mountains of North Carolina, Just about a Year Ago. Well, Just Year in a Week or Two Ago Right Next to My Neighborhood. There Was a Gentleman Who Has a Mental Health Issues and He, His Parents Lived in That Neighborhood.

He Got Mad at His Parents and He Went in Any Decapitated Both of His Parents but His Plan Was to Hide out in That House and There about Half a Mile from One of the Biggest Well. The Biggest Baptist Church in Our Area and His Plan Was to Go on Sunday to Go in That Church and to Kill As Many People As Possible in That Church. So There Just a Evil across the Country and Particularly Saves Me A Lot Of Shootings Either in Schools or in Churches and and Is an Issue That We Need to Prepare for, so If You're Listening to the Show and and You'd like to Learn More.

Sure You Go to Go and Get More Information and Is Not Jordan Could Probably Help Unified Instructor. She Could Come under Right after What Stephen Didn't Exist Back in 2017 Is I Organized You Know This Is Something Anybody Could Do Is I Contacted All the Churches in Our Area That You Live in a Small Community like You Were Were Bigger Than the One in Texas, but We Could Have This Issue in Any of Our Churches and We Need to Understand What the Law Says What We Can and Can't Do It Whether or Not We Can Be Armed and Trained There A Lot Of Issues with That of Vinegar to Have Armed Security Guards to Go down the Rabbit Troyer. This Was a Older Dog, but Jordan Let You Know If You Have Armed Security Guards in Your Church. You Really Need to Understand the Laws and Regulations.

You School the Church That Could Change That. Who Can and Can't Be Armed Which You Don't Want Just Some Melee Going on Where If There Is a Bad Guy Shows up in the Church Work, Other People, Innocent People Get Shot across Farther Really Needs to Be Some Training so We Asked Our Sheriff Department to Come in and Provide Training for Local Churches. I Would Encourage You to Do That in Your Area Minutes.

An Ongoing Issue Evil Is As George Said Is Always Been Here, and He Was Not Going to Go Away and We Need to Be Prepared and Shortly People Need to Know That There Safe When They're in the House of God and That They Don't Need to Be Afraid What's Going on Talking Is Really Talking Today about Biblical Basis for Self-Defense. So Put That One Hear More States of America Has a Strong Christian Heritage, Most Americans Don't Know the Truly Important Role in God and the Bible Is Indicated and Found American Foundation Dr. Chris before Meeting Dave Internation Crystalline Bargaining Journey Discovering the Hidden Much of America's Christian Heritage up Close and Personal, and How It Evolved over the Government and the Mental Health New Kind of Republic When They Acknowledge the Creator of the Truth about the Creation of the Mounting Christian Principles America to Join This Show Is Brought to You by Generous Joe's Coffee Company with the Christian Perspective, This Is the Answer That Christians and Conservatives Have Been Looking for a Coffee Company That Gives Back to Causes You Care about. Order Your Copy Today at Shop Generous Joe's.and Even Subscribe to a Subscription Coffee Plan and Never Forget the Coffee You Love or Causes You Care about the Conservative Baptist Network Is a Dynamic Movement of Southern Baptist Pastors, Churches and Christians Committed to Standing for the Sufficiency of God's Word in the Face of a Culture of Compromise. The Passion and Prayer of the Conservative Baptist Network Is That God Would Help Southern Baptist Staple for the Gospel so That We Might See Revival in America and the Reached for Christ.

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Jordan is with gun owners of America and what a great organization to learn more about gun and what they're doing to defend the Second Amendment the United States before the break we were talking about gun shootings that have been taken place in churches across the country and shortly schools and other areas as well. Talking about the biblical basis for self-deception. Jordan was sharing with us. It was a lot of people what to say that Jesus is a pacifist, but that he wasn't in, in many of his disciples, if you look at throughout the Bible, New Testament, found that they were armed Jordan.

One thing I hear, particularly when liberals are talking about.

This is will you say is a Christian and ensure church that you love God and trust God. Why do you need to be armed.

Why can't you just trust God to protect you.

What you say when people say that to you I say, of course, you should trust God right because we we put our faith and trust in God and of course we should trust God. But I get I think goes back that we was talking about it earlier know we have to look at the entirety of Scripture right. I mean, I think a lot of these people who argue that point, you know, say that you hate God takes care of the care of the sparrow in the middle worry about their food, so why should we worry right I what I would say that is we had really have to look at the entirety of Scripture you know I want to use an analogy, you know, Scripture also says we in first Timothy that essentially if you don't work elite.

They don't take care of your own household here. You're worse than a believer. So I believe we have a so one could say why trust God to provide for my food and provide for my family which of course we should do that. But if were not doing anything to provide for our our food or our family or for food, then it is almost like a defined God and so we should take action to be prepared right most people have a job and that's how we buy food so easily trust God to enable us to uncle go out and acquire food and take care of her family.

I think the same principle can be applied to our our personal security.

Of course we trust God to protect ourselves and you know it. If what I know about your thing. Williford states are so many factors that that happened. And so there's so much of God and his story were God guided him through that situation. So of course our trust goes into what complainant Williford also prepared to defend right he actually he had a rifle you. He had the training he had the wherewithal to defend that church.

So you just think we should just trust God without taking any actions.

I don't think that is realizing all of Scripture, and I don't think it's necessarily wise to do with it you I think we should be prepared in our trust in the preparation go together where I agree with that.

So I'mon the list.

Hopefully will make you nervous with this Jordan. I know it cannot make the hair stand up on the backs of objectivism pass through the grace of the church, but your pastors. I encourage you to go get a handgun and to take the proper training courses DDL offer gun safety courses through gun owners of America not at this time but NRA does and they do a good job on think Stephen was a NRA certified instructor as well.

But there are a lot of great courses you can take or even a lot of local gunshots. You talk about that, but it runs that North Carolina your kids. Gun stores offer training classes. I would encourage pastors to to get a handgun at your familiar with don't know, don't just buy it and have it and then not know how to use that for anybody. You get a handgun critically when you claim are using a self-defense you need to shoot that you need to know how it feels in your hand how it reacts, what it feels like. So when you are that situation you got a comfort level with what you're doing but I want to challenge pastors of this is what can upset people pastors I think you should have a gun when you're standing open is mean anybody need to see it with a pastor is a unique vantage point because usually the pulpit is on the opposite direction of the main entrance to the church you know who are members of your church and who are not you knows many cases mental is not every case but in many cases mentally sound and not understanding that pulpit you have a unique manage point to see all the entryways brought most cases to the sanctuary and what's going on in that area and I got a friend of Agnes Giordano if you met Kim Graves again. Graves is a pastor of a Calvary Chapel church in Maine email on a national news because during Tobit, he would not shut and yet he believed the Bible tells us that that we are in Hebrews it were to congregate were not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, as Christians, and he kept his church Oakland and the governor was a very liberal governor made and tried to have him arrested and an easy been tied up in court for the company almost couple years now.

We can Graves talks about how many stand in the pulpit for that very reason because one is behind the pulpit. He can see everything is going on the church and he liked to joke and say that he has a Glock for the flock and he said he's prepared to at the thought that was great. What is that, yet a Glock of the flock, but I'm the same way so they'll some churches must invite me when only a bit. In most cases, I mean I obey always obey the laws of the state year and or the county or whatever your Gannett. Certainly if you're not supposed to have a weapon if there's a school there so obey the laws.

I'm not telling you to disobey the laws, but many times when I preach Jordan. I travel the country preach I'm almost always armed for that very reason because I am a vantage point, everybody else's back and start that door, they don't know who's walking into what's going on in.

You know, in that case, it was probably very clear in the Stephen Williford case when that guy walked in your usually they have a transcoder that might have you no longer drive for something you know and it is to stick out right you want to know something, but if you're not armed. You get do anything about it so I encourage pastors do that also encouraged by churches to have a security team. I think you mentioned your old security team at your church yard church now as we put in cameras a while back that everybody can afford cameras that we have three or four men who walk around our church. All during the service.

They walk other exterior doors year where they make it.

Basically after the service begins at me before that case, but after the service begins a controlled entry points your people get escape, but there was a fire emergency, but one would have to go through the main entry point begin and end. You were there handing out the bulletins and I mean simple tricks you image governor culture engagements out we we had security there we a lot of security there could get some famous speakers in and out. We had that we train the people that work registering people the door and checking their tickets note for certain side of the menu can't catch it in every instance, but there are some things you can be on the lookout for, particularly in your church on Sunday to know who's coming through that door.

Do they look suspicious and you need to be concerned about them when their company and are there. I know you don't give away the secrets your church but there are other things that you would recommend that a church due from your experience on your security team. We go to church really being know me eyes and ears, right hatting the more more eyes watching people on and if something is little love people were not welcoming to people you know I are church and try to be welcoming to equitable right, we wanted to be a good place for everyone, but no time did you just don't have a good feeling about something or someone. Body language is all for or you know if they are wearing a big transcoder is 80 outside Bethel Allied and you know that that might be something I might want a run up the chain and and have the leadership of my security team address but it just being vigilant and being eyeballs because you know obviously defending yourself your drawing of a firearm is a very very serious ordeal with the last thing I ever want to do and so it is you we we watch for sayings and and just try to prevent stuff from happening to begin with a try to de-escalate the situation and it and that's what we we try to do that are on our church yet. I think it and and I'm not DOU your your security team doesn't necessarily have to be art a site is having a security team.

I think that's the that dissuade potential bad guys not every case but I mean surely if I was a bad guy that was that. Go to try to take out some people I knew they had security team. People that are being vigilant in watching if I knew that they had people ready to call the police or that they had a plan in place. I would be much more reluctant to make a move on that church for that business or school if I know that's in place so he again churches and pastors encouraging y'all to have training you need to have a plan to this is happening way too often across the country to. You should have got a medical team at other churches at medical teams are just out of and waiting if something your work forbid something ever happens her day.

Thank you. They know who's gonna call 911 year. How are we going to get our people of the sanctuary don't want to wait till something like that happened. You need to have a plan in place and people that are in leadership positions can be prepared and and ready to get both were talking to Jordan Stein with gun owners of America were talking about the biblical basis is self-assessed. This is to be able to say trying to do that is talking about today.

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We should we not defend ourselves were never allowed to kill somebody. We don't want to violate the 10 Commandments for the 10 Commandments that commandment thou shall not kill the little translation is, thou shalt not murder and in killing someone in self-defense is not the same thing as a premeditated murder so what do you think other cases in the Bible, we can see biblical examples where self-defense took place and and were God allowed self-defense of Christians can feel safe and secure to be able to defend themselves when the time comes. Absolutely their nursing rating available in Scripture speaks to this a lot. Obviously Scripture doesn't talk about guns. They were around back then but a talk about use of force and weapons and at the start of program you alluded to Nehemiah where they were open carrying weapons while they rebuilt either rebuilding and ill open carrier.

I think they were using weapons as a deterrent against you would be equal with hackers and out was viewed as a good thing up an observation that I have seen reading through the Old Testament as well. At show the inverse and this is just an observation that I have seen. But you look at places that lay judges five and the first annual 13 both of those were situations that they that Israel did not have weapons and that led to oppression by other nations and judgment from God.

So practice the Ignatius correlation, but when they didn't have weapons they were being judged by God it was not a good time to be Israelite in those situations, so take that for what you will but that's just an interesting observation that that I had seen with that but I think unimportant distinction as Christians in this is largely based on our our legal system.

America was largely based on the committee twisted now to reverse course and things but you looking all in the Old Testament out of accident sealed to Exodus 22 on it and essentially says I'm paraphrasing, but it's ST's profound breaking into one house at night and he structurally dies there's no bloodshed but if there's son is written on him. There is bloodshed and I don't think that Scripture necessarily said that you can't defend yourself in the daylight. But I think that scriptures make the distinction between defending your life defending your your property and nothing really important distinction, especially using lethal force in defense of your life and property because of the nighttime is always breaking into your house, you'll know their intent if they could just be the taker TV could be something a lot more room.

However, the daylight, I think in this verse it says that you can tell what their intent is and that you should use lethal force to defend your property. Now I would say you can still use a level force to defend your property, but lethal force.

I would I would caution against that so largely how most states in our country have set up their leaves aforethought.

You know you can generally defend yourself if your wife is here in fear of your life.

Great bodily harm or sexual assault, and I think that's based off of awful dispersible in the Old Testament that that's good What you said never heard anybody say that before were not defending ourselves would lead in the Bible to oppression by other nations in judgment by God is pretty powerful consternation as I as I was studying this so yeah and in and when you said it, you clicked with me. I never thought about that but you're exactly right or left, for example, throughout the Bible that situation leading up to that your you mentioned that I just want make sure that our listeners understand terms. You mentioned open carrying and the show you mentioned concealed fury can you share with our list or what those two terms mean was the difference between those two.

So open carry is when one carries a firearm in it visible to the public that is typically what like a police officer would do so.

What if a police officer. There's a pistol on or help their open carrying and and believe it or not.

In only 37 states. Lincoln open carry a firearm without a permit, a small pony do just as a matter of right. However, with with concealed carry. It has to be hidden from the public, hidden from view from view and see you. You went with someone looking at you, you can't tell it is a firearm on the process and that the distinction there and you know that the gun she likes to debate a lot about open carry out and concealed carry great deal way we think you should have the freedom to do both. However you decide to defend yourself, that you should have the freedom to do so in and personally. Sometimes I do both sometimes open carry some public and concealed carry case depends on on the situation. I met well it just so our listeners know you want to be careful to understand the law, even though Jordan both agree that you will be great if we had the ability to do both anywhere in the United States and I certainly think there's an interpretation of the Constitution that we do have that right.

But there are laws in some states it that say otherwise. So you need to be met. Be sure you were educated and informed and again you can contact gun owners of America gun and I'm sure they'll be glad to help you figure out what the situation is in your state because you you know it is not legal in your state.

You don't want to strip up what's on way to be walk around and then there are also certain places you like schools and other areas of most states are not allowed to have a firearm with a concealed or open carry and again you can argue the constitutionality of that bill is you want to get arrested. You better understand the law not do that.

The same with concealed carry you in most cases with concealed carry.

Even if open carry is a loud and probably Dublin and Irish if we talked about above and cure even if it's allowed into a state concealed carry most cases you have to have a permit which means that you taken some type of course and and and a passed a background check and that kind of thing in order to be is that usually what's required Jordan or do you know it states that you have concealed carry usually get you have to have a license to do right yes but that is that that's changing and that's the battle that GUA is championing because the problem with permit is that it forces you to seek permission before you can exercise your right and so will you. And when we were discussing on the show last time we advocate for what's called constitutional carrier permit was scary. Essentially, if you can only gun you can carry a gun as a matter of right family. Last time I came on the show we actually have had more states knowing we call the constitutional carry club only last time outdoors her was right on the cost and now it is you know doing the club and it is a constitutional carry stake where is if you can legally only gal you're not a prohibited person loading a gun you can carry that gun to defend yourself open or concealed. Now that we had 25 constitutional carry states which is incredible.

So if half the country now at the country constitutional carry and you the evening you don't need a government permission slip to carry a gun and or working on a few more states right now, Florida always is a battle but were who were fighting there and in other states across the country, but you don't that we would love to see that number to be 50 FLS a long way before we get there, but that's will what we want to be is really surprising that Florida could they consider themselves the free state of Florida the other day support so many constitutional rights and surprise you're having a battle there so we need to be praying for that. So Jordan, if people want to learn you make a backup for the subject.

Folks don't misinterpret what Jordan or are saying you need to obey the laws in your state and you can go to gun and George and his team will help you understand what the walls even though we believe your constitutional you have the right, there are laws of the state to follow those laws so go to gun and learn what you can do in your individual state.

Jordan have to labor, we only got about a minute. But how can I become a member and support what you're doing. A general yes of these ways to gun and there's a big red button that says join and you can sign up right there is 25 Dollars Is Doing Way that's easy any of us units. That's a couple trips to McDonald's a space which will be supporting a great organization that defends the constitutions recommend that one more quick question. Do you have you have an annual meeting. I know it. The NRA annual meeting is coming up soon and y'all have an annual meeting of your members as well. Not at this time but they did enter never know. Yet it be great to do work were members of gun owners from America can come together and meet each other and and you have great fellowship in and learn what we can do to help you even more. Jordan I appreciate the work of gun owners of America listeners until you up in a lifetime member years right great organization. $25 a year any of us can do that help us in this battle and clergy go to gun today and Jenna joined gun owners of America and Jordan, thank you for being a man of God, a strong Christian and fellow brother and thank you for helping us understand what the Bible says so we can have a Christian perspective on the issue of gun ownership.

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