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How do We College Proof Our Kids?

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February 21, 2022 5:00 am

How do We College Proof Our Kids?

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February 21, 2022 5:00 am

Up to 75% (or more) of Christian students end up walking away from their faith before they leave college!  Why is this happening? What can be done? Jay Seegert of The Staring Point joins Chris Hughes to talk about how we can prepare our kids to go to college with a firm Biblical foundation.

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Today were going to talk about how to call you group your faith.

You got colicky educators mightily what your call on the phone and call Madonna start was the nail guzzlers and you know I got two kids in college and I want to tell you it's shocking to see the brainwashing that me literally as brainwashing and the indoctrination is taking place on college campuses across the nation campuses so-called Christian colleges and Christian universities and all you know the pressures of Christian students based on college campuses did not just come from peers anymore and from their friends is also coming from the administration and professors that are teaching them in the classes each and every day.

Their father religion is a myth that the Bible has no science and a new alertness entry today. The people are born homosexual or transgender. That unborn babies are not leaving living independent beings is shocking. Whether being taught today. Our guest today is a good friend of mine's name is Jay Seger.

Jay is the president of the starting point ministry and anything about deities, not just some guy he is a trite scientist either Christian apologists and like me, Jay is concerned about colleges and universities and what they are teaching our next generation of leaders. J. Welcome to the Christian perspective to be on the program are you doing I am great, J.


I think what will we jump into this subject. Some people might not know much about you. Can you tell them a little bit about your ministry and in what you do all of the world. I know you lead towards to the Grand Canyon D place of the people might be interested in joining No ministry with the starting point project been in full-time ministry the past 15 years actually been speaking on apologetics in the Christian worldview for 37 years know about when and what full-time full called by God last 15 years traveling quite a bit around United States would been a need other countries as well. Doing a lot with Megan apologetics defense of the Christian worldview.

People know what they believe, but they don't necessarily know why we deal a lot with Genesis and science of the Bible. We also will the question of how do we know the Bible is actually the inspired word of God because again most Christians certainly believe the Bible but can we ask more how do you know that it's inspired word of God we too often, we might say well I just like feeling very sensitive. That's what I believe. How does that help anyone else including your own children of the something you'll versus having solid evidence in support so we discussed those things we don't charge for any of our events to assess the travel expenses be covered, but I was up to 190 talks here and we also made Grand Canyon Tours which is phenomenal because it's not just an opportunity to see Oklahoma ground but now we all along the way, point out scientific evidence is that there really was a worldwide flood just like Genesis fixed rate talks about so we do one day on the rim standing on the limestone looking 1 mile down the Colorado River. Next they were actually on rafts on the river looking from the bottom up going out evidences all along the way, that there really was a flood of Noah. And there's so much evidence for drinking on the planet. If you build evidences so like going this year we have some room available in August and September trips, but again just honored to be able to be doing this whole time I'm a little bit later to the show more love Akron Ohio.

I got all started in this because it did have a lot to do with my experience in college on the tour that you do for drinking only mild out, terrified of like that at this give that to you know that you know the river before older or even those with younger folks about want to join you in a Whitewater rabbit or just pretty smooth going on the river that just about anybody can do its incredibly real purpose of blur trips together so that is family-friendly repaired 56-year-old goalie had a couple go. They were eight years old on the walking, a flat path when you get to the rim and you're not even walking long distances we take buses everywhere extremely hotels eat good food.

And then on the river take a bus tunnel to get down to the river so you're not climbing managing rocks to get done everything bus to get audit the Glen Canyon dam which is phenomenal to see and he walked on a ramp and given the rafts and are rated on a scale of 1 to 7 for the rapid your Colorado River in the Grand Canyon has its own scale goes from 1 to 10 in the rapids. We go through our 8.1 and thought of someone really wants Whitewater rafting.

This is not the purpose of the family from them when it could be any easier than it is very very enjoyable and very very faith affirming. I want to do that with you some dates always wonderful be up God's creation. Let I can only imagine like you're saying we are pointing out those channels that are cut to that rock probably came from a flood things.

It people just can't imagine it really proved that what the Bible says is true. You mentioned you're in the ministry, apologetics and for those of you don't know that's just basically a way to defend your faith and I think it's important for us as you mentioned Jay to understand what we believe and while we as Christians I keep telling my wife on the right book called what we believe and why we believe it but I've been procrastinating so much I got it done, but I think that's a lead-in to our topic today because the statistics are showing alarming high percentage of Christian user walking away from the faith during the college years.

I'm part of that J is because pastors are preaching the word God.

People are reading the Bible. A lot of college students don't truly know what they believe as Christians why they believe it is become a huge problem.

Why do you think that's happening in. What can and should we be doing to combat this disturbing trend. There are actually quite a few that I could really use a goal.

I think I had slightly nave view thinking that college was worse than it is an excuse to go off to college there perfectly finally got the call and also shipwrecks or for you can walk away and it's because they didn't have answers to questions about carbon-14 union dinosaurs in this and that increase in evolution. That is certainly a factor in some you can be a huge factor, but I think for many other you that's not really the issue their own things going on including relationships with their parents what their experiences been with the church.

What they see the Christian worldview was being how they view the Bible there is a high percentage of biblical illiteracy that just a month amongst Christian youth.

But even in the typical Sunday church attender for people been going to church for 10, 20, 30 years because I think many churches of got away from really teaching God's word and doing a lot of topical things over and over and over is not bad to go through topical series once in a while but if you're that's all you dual all your long and not really getting the word to see what is it say cooking use, especially with answers and so they go off to college. They just leave the level because her Christian or Christian because they believe the Bible and they believe the Bible because her Christian professors who seem to be really sharp and have answers for just about everything and they see it as more of a black-and-white thing and sign space and they really know what they're talking about Bible's antiquated filter. There's an contradiction scientist is proven and there's always different versions out there. There are different religions and so really needs that again.

One of the Olympic factors is if they stick to the Bible. There are a lot of things that they probably shouldn't be doing that they would like to do what they been convinced the Bible is not the inspired word of God, and you can trust that this is not reliable that freedom up and I feel so guilty when they're making choices that many of the other friends are making in so many of these you are actually looking for reasons to talk away from their faith when they're younger. They don't necessarily have an unlimited mentoring junior high school to college your professors are more than willing to give them these reasons why they don't have to worry about the Bible and many of you are excited about that right yes a new exciting news by one true or just couldn't defendant before, but now I can only go back home and they lay into their parents at all these evidences about what over the professor brought up with the Big Bang and evolution and there was no flood because were all that water come from where the water go.

A lot of noted all those animals on the ark. And what about carbon-14 dating and what about all that you will need all the violence in the Bible and on and on and use as a weapon against her parents very often the parents are not well-equipped and they just say what you need to get back in the church, and you should be hanging out with those kids look that that doesn't cut it. And so that's on the big reasons why we have such a high percentage that are walking away from her face, because we really haven't done diligence ahead of time.

Many important topics errant thing that Bible literacy is such an issue. J pastors just are preaching the Lord God anymore taking the easy way out at you. I don't know if it apathy or ignorance to do.

They just not really know what the Bible says themselves that are not studying or doing not care they're afraid they're venting somebody's is really crazy and so I challenge you pastors and youth pastors are listening. You need to equip the young people. I think J we have a really smart generation of young people out there today and are the problem that I see in churches is pastors are given like a happy meal sermon and they don't like you said is topical but even with topical, you could go into some debt and explain something, but they give this spoon feeding like baby food to their congregation and we have the smart young people who were hungry for knowledge. You eat really any knowledge and they're not getting it at church and I go away to college like you say in the lease professors you are answer taken the time to actually answer the question now is not a biblical answer is not the right answer, but at least are being told something and they come on like you say in nearly come to mom and dad, but same problem. Mom and dad mom and dad don't know enough about the flood you know they haven't read your material or stuff that others are putting out there and mom and I can't give a good answer either. So the only educated and informative answers are getting it from the liberal professors of the kids go with how we stop this so one choice at a time with parents, deciding that it is important for them themselves have a better grasp of what God's word says that's what they need to start with. I don't Mr. Lee start all all the scientific evidences for the floater creation loose. Those are good supplemental first and foremost know one of the Bible say about these things and secondarily how do we know the Bible is authoritative auto renewal, trustworthy out.

We know it's accurate those two things will go a long way and then when you get calendar carbon-14 dating you could say that initially you might say you know what, I don't really know much about that but let's look into it and when you start looking into it, he realized, wow it's it's not what I thought was, it doesn't contradict the Bible. In fact, we look at it accurately, that she backs up the Bible's been saying all along you take a quick break and talk to Jay Seger come back yet. Talk more about your background like that show is brought to you by generous jobs. The coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back causes you care about.

Order your copy today at shop generous Joe's.and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget you or causes you care about locking the fixed 15 feet Bible come to life and I joined nationally for radio host and found a foundation to create life changes when the world of meaning travel destinations from all over the world to face one's religious clutter Christianity's most tragic, the rich if I don't think Chris is a whining alleyways of Nancy's own place that I think is the first hand the Bible to claim Tory Israel with Dr. Chris travel out of their for an unforgettable trip last a lifetime time creating their relationship sharing is going American Washington's Birthday and Lincoln's birthday was celebrated in the month of February throughout the United States in 1971 to honor all presidents Richard Nixon declared the third Monday in February as Presidents' Day. Of note is that every president sworn into office with her hand upon the Bible and their oath with the phrase so help me God and acknowledged a supreme being in their address.

Upon assuming the presidency, Eisenhower, Reagan and Bush are among those who included a prayer in their own argumentative 1888 USA work is Jay Seger starting point.

Project J is the leading apologist of the nation of the world where he teaches people how to defend the Bible how to understand what the Bible says in wide things that we read the Bible like the flood and creation really are true.

You know a lot of people and a lot of people who profess to be pastors today don't teach that the Bible is the inspired word of God that it's all true or not, the inherent scripture that is blessed and comes from the Holy Spirit were talking about college kids today in our kids go away to college and handle a lot of times because they have not been taught a good healthy menu of the word of God and in their youth groups and even in their homes and from the pastors and churches in the code that are not prepared as they should be to answer the questions about what they believe and why they believe it, just before the break, Jay was talking about boutique like parents when the kids come home for that first break may be Thanksgiving or Christmas after they've gone away to college and brainwashing a star little bit they don't really believe the Bible is true anymore and I talked with her parents and gets in arguments and parents can't explain why is the Bible, trustworthy and accurate so I know you probably teach long stretch of the written books Father's Day but just in a few minutes is simple way for parents to begin to show the kids that the Bible is trustworthy and accurate you really really hurt quite as much work as many people would come. Gimp was interested in the topic comes up. "We know the Bible is inspired word of God and the specialness It brings it up too often were very quick to jump on and get into an argument or whatever and try to do train people is at once a skeptic makes a claim before you get too defensive and try to spew a bunch of stuff out and try to win an argument, ask follow-up question. You know what they mean by that come to the conclusion then was correct and so this as an example that skeptics say to me there is no evidence that God wrote the Bible when I was younger I would try to jump on that and argue and throw certain things out.

But now, what I do when they say that there is no evidence that God of the Bible. I do so.

Question for you, what would you accept as evidence that God wrote the Bible look like in your mind if you saw a be received that what the evidence I goggled the Bible say to me, will I will know. I know there is no evidence by your own admission, even humility, evidence would look like, how do you know it doesn't exist you don't have criteria that you use to judge what would count as evidence and what wouldn't anyone have this discussion and so I get them to realize they've just made a very bold claim with nothing to back it up and then I would turn the table with the onus on myself to offer a response and I would say you know what if God actually did write a book.

How would we know what would we expect to see in that book is personally myself with God, wrote a blog expect at least four things. Number one I would expected to be historically accurate number two unexpectedly internally consistent that it wouldn't contradict itself thoroughly is expected to be scientifically accurate of production make statements that can be tested directly by Seinfeld expected to be entered and then lastly, I would expected to be prophetically accurate that afflicted critics and what the future better get on right now there is good evidence going to write that so therefore areas of tested, you can apply to any religious writing is not special Bible tells you testified in your writing and when you apply those to the Bible. It passes with flying colors. World books all quickly by the wayside because the Bible is 100% internally consistent, even though you are 40 authors writing were 1600 year period on three different continents in three different languages and have all different educational backgrounds and are covering not just one controversial topic, with hundreds of controversial topics and yet they're all in perfect agreement, all the world is a possible illness. God is inspiring each of the writers and we know from archaeology. The history of great and then scientifically go on and on and on about that other silly things in the Bible that were written long before we have microscopes and telescopes than scientists today are reading these things in the quality right about that, but how could they would know most things they couldn't have limits to could not have known the same scientifically back then is evidence that God told him what the right prophetically. About 27% of the Bible's prophetic in nature. It's over 8000 passages in the Bible that are predictive in nature. Making statements about the future. Some of those are still for our future, but every single other one has come true in every minute detail 100% again. How is that possible.

If man just made that up. This is evidence of inspiration so parents need to know that that's not that complex of an answer. They should have that down, teach it to their kids, their kids can then repeat that with their professors and all along the way, you should probably have an example from each of those areas. Here's an example of archaeology showing that history is recorded accurately.

Bible is something about the internal consistency is an example 1 or two things from science and then here are couple prophecies that are in the Bible that would go a long long way while this is great stuff that I want to be able to use myself really powerful and and so easy to to explain when you when you give it away that you just shared with such incredible book about this, but people can look up and and learn more about real number resources. We have a five part video series called the inspiration of the Bible and I go through a lot of introductory things about the Bible we talk about its origin little bit but then we go through all for those areas. The internal consistency historical accuracy prophetic accuracy and scientific receipt explaining what that means giving examples for each area. We also have a pocket-size booklet. We know the Bible is inspired word of God. In my first book creation and evolution compatible are in conflict. I also have a chapter in there on the inspiration of the Bible. And so there are a number resources written, visual, covering most topics because it is on the makes most basic question when you think about the Christian worldview compare down to two tenants.

Number one is that God exists and he created everything.

Number two is that the Bible is his word was of the two most basic foundational points of Christianity. Yet many Christians when asked what how do you know God exists and how do you know we created everything or how do you know that the Bible is from God like a deer in headlights are like I just watch what I believe it's like the thought of going to sound like a blind faith. Why should anyone else leave it just because that's what you chose versus saying yes, great question here is why I believe that God exists is why I believe he created everything from the evidences and here's why am very very confident that the Bible is what it claims to be that it's awarded God he created everything and shares a lot of things in there that we can't get from looking at dirt in DNA.

You can look at nature and concluded got a big job, but you would know that God is why he created us what happened. What happens to us when we die. That's why he gave us a special revelation in the Bible. While such great stuff you're given to us.

J so I bring that back to work or to cover this again after break in a few minutes, but before you take an x-ray can you tell us a little bit about your personal background and what led you would apologize because I think at some to do with your college experience didn't need a powerful story how God works in our lives. So long story short, I was raised in a Christian home, believe the Bible from cover to cover.

I went to public school through high school, but still very strong my faith that there wasn't a whole lot in my experience it upset me. You're really causing problems and he went to a Christian college John Brown University in Arkansas to study mechanical engineering. I got a degree there. But then he became interested in physics, but they didn't have a major I had to leave their ranking back in Wisconsin were informed and went to University Wisconsin Whitewater to get a degree in physics and that's when everything changed for me because I want from that small Christian university were my engineering professors open up every class and prayer to a large state university physics professor. He did not open up in prayer.

The well certainly all evolutionists. Some of them are atheists. They were telling me that everything I believe is wrong and that maybe feel very uncomfortable because user PhD scientists and assume that they had evidence what they believed. I realized for the first time in my entire life that even though I knew what I believed I didn't know why I couldn't defend my faith and that made me so uncomfortable, especially in the sciences and sold. I basically want home to my home church one weekend told someone that my professors were really giving me a hard time in your answers. This is all you need to talk to phone solely was a man setting for his PhD in medical physics and you really in the creation evolution topic so I went over to his house and maybe 45 minutes with them.

He loaned me two books I devoured in color to color, and that the that got me on my journey of 37 years no of what communities evidences researching and then lecturing. In fact, that man 37 years ago, she and I stunk together regularly for breakfast so he had no idea that spending 45 minutes of the college student with no long-term international ministry.

What one other really, really important aspect with this is today you mention the high percentage of Christian youth walking away from their faith. I had been speaking for at least 30 years and it finally dawned in me to ask. Wait a minute I was in college I was attacked by my professors. How come I didn't walk away because most youth Christian youth are welcome. I don't walk away.

It took me about 1/2 a second to quickly answer the answer for me was my relationship with my parents it was so strong.

I respect my parents so much. I thought they're not wrong about the maybe certain you were lying to me and I don't like my pastor Jerome are lying.

But if they're not wrong. That means the right of the right. That means there's got to be evidence evidence behind it and sold it.

It sent me on a journey to find that it was.

I wanted to find out evidence. I wanted to honor my parents and please lemon. I enjoyed my church. I really respected my pastor but that is in stark contrast to many youth today where they can't wait to get all of the home because it did not have a good relationship with her parents as to the rules and regulations and accuracy and on and on. We can talk about that little bit later so they got the college looking for a reason to bolt the professors do a great job of giving them while sounding means on the surface shall be evidences and knowledge they have an excuse to walk away from their faith point for us to break this message so that strong Christian heritage really important role God in the Bible is Dr. Deming.

Much of America's government and the mental health kind of Republic acknowledge the creator about the creation of the mounting joint show is brought to you by generous Joe's coffee company with the Christian perspective, this is the answer that Christians and conservatives have been looking for a coffee company that gives back to causes you care about. Order your copy today at shop generous Joe's.and even subscribe to a subscription coffee plan and never forget you or causes you care about the conservative Baptist network is a dynamic movement of Southern Baptist pastors and churches and Christians committed to standing for the sufficiency of God's word in the face of a culture of compromise, passion and prayer of the conservative Baptist network is that God would help Southern Baptist staple for the gospel so that we might see revival in America and the Christ. Visit our website to learn how you and your church can join and support this exciting movement is my gift today with starting point project. Well, what great talk were having about the importance of several things. One, before the commercial break word on the mouse important for college kids in really strong relationship with the parents before they go away to college because if they honor what the parents are better be more inclined to listen to you when there brainwashed by the professors and friends at college and come back home and another great point that J you share with us as we need to know what we believe and why we believe it. We got to be able to defend our faith and to many of us know so I hope you're listening today to be challenged to begin to understand more about what the Bible says to get in God's word and and learn what the Bible says he will get some great resources. Jaden assures is a website with this in just a minute he's got some great resources that can help you easily understand what you believe and why you believe it and parent. You all know that I stressed the importance of families eating supper together at night and after great time work. Everybody comes the table and the kids put away their cell phones and you just talk and ask them questions don't get in arguments is J said the best way to defend the faith is ask questions of others not argue about certain point I want to share a couple of things that I J Toles in the previous segment just if you're coming here to the show right now there are two things that every Christian should know that God exists and that God created everything and then the second is that the Bible is from God. That's really a great starting point is you have the name of your ministry. J and I love this and I'm probably if I get wrong. J. Correct me. There are four things we need to understand that the Bible hissed historically accurate it is basically what is said is true, and I mean really is name history is is story God story. The Bible historically accurate is it internally consistent J share with us the Bible to read my work 40 offers of exit on three cottage three different languages, and yet they all were in agreement and what they said is the Bible physically accurate before telescopes and microscopes J share how God revealed the Holy Spirit revealed to these writers, things that they would not understand or know when we develop the technology we now understand and know those things are physically accurate and finally is the Bible prophetically accurate there over 8000 passages in the Bible over 27% of the Bible is J share has to do with prophecy and it's all been 100% accurate of the things that have happened so far.

J this is just great information that your sharing with us and appreciate write your sharing your personal story about how you went away to college and just had a desire to learn more, but he does college really the problem or is it just a place where the issues are getting exposed. J. Do you think the part of the problems it made his kids want to be with my relation with parents about what Jesus did. They really have a true relationship with Jesus in the first place. If are so easily swayed when I go to college, something we deftly need to keep in mind the various statistics out there company youth are walking away in the numbers are all pretty high numbers. They should be learning the matter what the actual number is and within that percentage is just a group of youth that would consider themselves Christians or others might call them Christians, but probably weren't truly same so there's always a number who go off and we assume that there Christians and they walk away, but they weren't really there to begin with, and so we deftly need to keep that in mind, but then within the remainder of the group you are truly saved, but what was the depth of their faith.

They didn't have a very good understanding it really wasn't lived out at home and went to church on Sunday and the net was at home in our church were sold and then back home to the real world and the sense and know they really don't know what the Christian life is like they don't necessarily see it lived out in their parents lives and sort it causes a lot of problems with that and then go off to college and very often I have parents come to me in there just hopes that with the University or the professors and there are certainly things are going on there that aren't good with their acting as if that was the only issue like my son, my daughter, they were finally one of the college making moment.

Obviously, there are a few used colleges is rotten. No one should ever go there anymore. All I'll be very often is just revealing issues that were in the festering for a long time and try to give a quick analogy here because nothing is pertinent in the think a lot of listeners can relate to this going to make a blanket statement. This is certainly not every Christian home, but probably many homes were Sunday morning comes once getting ready for church and are running late and then dad's going on the hall you see little Billy is still in bed any day has just like you. We believe in eight minutes and barely drag himself out of bed and gets ready to get in the car. There's tension and the owner what is going on in the car soon as I get into the church doors. The parents are like all hi how are you all happy smiling rolled their eyes and getting up to see my parents a few minutes ago on the car the kids go off to their Sunday school class minutes okay when that's with friends there like to see them in top talk is about whatever and then there's no going to the church service. Later in the year the pastor say: second Corinthians tells us that whatever and blah blah blah. But that's just what they do that, that's church and they just undo that. Then they go home and as soon as I get home on Sunday afternoon to the next Sunday morning has nothing to do with church or Christianity to their parents reading their Bibles are really playing or anything that is going all the time working so many hours a month frustrated that he's not home to fixes and do that induces all this tension within the next Sunday comes in its own board to get the church on time. Lesser Christian experience, and then on top of that little Billy knows that his parents get really upset if his room is messy and he's thinking or if they ever found out that I was smoking pot with my friend or or whatever it is, so he learns to hide that he feels guilty about it and he knows his parents go through the roof on that and then he's going to handle some friends from junior high school. Whatever is parens Illinois are not hanging out with those kids you go to do so because from the youth group at church, and very often when abilities think and only if you only knew the kids in the youth group. They are the ones who got me smoke my friends from the public school or direction pretty good kids but he can't tell his parents that because then his friends will get in trouble and then he'll be in trouble. So that's the Christian life.

And then he goes off to college and is professors: Bible builders and contradictions sciences is pretty universal.

Major conversion of all the violence in the Bible and and on and on and on like yes I knew it, and then he goes home and uses that as a weapon agreement gives parents.

His parents will have answered you. So that's what I thought my prick my professor said you don't know what you're talking about and he is gone and then the parents want me to do some multi-university men thinking well know you had perhaps spending more time with them when they're at home and teaching them God's word and all that they would've been fighting college. In fact, if I would've been really strong witness there but because they were prepared and walked away. It's not necessary to leave, but it certainly makes a lot more challenging or used a lot of anxious that I know you stepped on month, some too good is your dog. I was like both.

So I have to get in college now and I'm living this life that you're talking about because I see it yet. When their friends and end of things that they are taught in school and I was think about exactly what you say with church.

I remember tickly when the kids were little, no, I don't know October get from where my wife the reason we were later gave some unit is clever you. I don't think you even get up and get to work every day. On Sunday, every single Sunday were late and so I know exactly what you're spamming. I used to get so mad and so worked in the big scheme of things, there really matter. You know that we were two minutes late walking in the study. School yet. Thankfully the Holy Spirit convicted me that I was making were my kids just gritted Sunday and hated you going to church because I was just getting limit you every Sunday because we were always late and so God convicted me I needed to do some about that yet, so I had to change because I want my kids to enjoy going to church now.

I miss it you're like you, I'd I travel a lot. I know you probably goes by way away from our home church.

Many many Sunday speaking in other churches and other places in and I miss it you know when not when I'm away from my church family and being fed new even though both of us speak in church. As you know what I love speaking to other but I like to get at fed myself you know as well but I had to do some things I think of and I think someone speak to father Scheer and it's important for both parents, particularly dance kids are looking at you as a leader of the family and in I realized pretty early on with my kids that I need to be intentional where they could see me playing and see me reading the Bible. Now, not not know is will it for show or anything like that but I wanted them to know that prayer wasn't just something we talked about on Sunday but it was important we needed to pray together as a family we needed to read the Bible study the Bible and and and I think that just makes a huge difference when they know that it part of your life and it needs to be part of your life and and I've seen that with both my kids were really my son in the first year college I think is pretty rough ramping list of trouble you conceive away from all the first time in he was younger but this past year, he made a decision on his own that he was never read the Bible in three months so he was spending about an hour a day in God's word NJ just like you are talking about when he got in God's work. It really transformed his life because he like you has a very scientific and will, but my kids do analytical mind and he's starting to be aerospace engineer and have lots of questions you must understand why things work the way that they do and went particularly when he was looking at creation and I know many things that you were smoke all over the world about when he started getting into God's word and studying it, he saw that there really are answers and that God's work was in fact true is really change to another commercial individual in a world crowded with viewpoints of voices after a financial problem.

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Why we believe that we been talking today about our college kids when they go to college. Many times professors are telling of the Bible is not true shipment of their parents. They come home and there's tension in the family because the kids are now questioning things and parents can't really answer those questions and Jay's talk is about how we need to understand what we believe and why we believe the Bible has to say about us. So J is kids go away. I know you talked a little bit about ataxic kids receive a thank you said there are two types of attacks you tell us a little bit about the text.

Come on kids when I go to school. I just put them into two categories. One will be the blatant attacks and then there's ones are more subtle.

You realize that they're going on and some of the subtle ones are very intentional ones are more incidental different depending upon where you go in the situation something you can have the regular professors are just read professors, great teachers, nice people and other times you just the opposite way also very very caustic and very tough to deal with and I've had personal experiences from both sides.

When I was in college but in the blatant ones were the just outright attacks and one particular quote from the posterior University of Virginia that sums often, this is surely not every professor in every state University, but there are too many abusing this is what he said quote secular professors and universities ought to arrange things so that students who enter as bigoted, homophobic, religious fundamentalist leave college with views more like our own students are fortunate to find themselves under the benevolence of people like me and have escaped the grip of their frightening vicious and dangerous parents. Go right on trying to discredit you parents in the eyes of your children trying to strip your fundamentalist religious community of dignity, trying to make your views seem silly rather than discussable." Dr. Reddy, University of Virginia. That is where it is one thing I like about though is you being very transparent. This is his goal to make sure that the students we would use that has rather than what they were brought up with, and he wants to make sure the parents look ridiculous in the eyes of their children IS cleaving the family and God created the family and them in order. There gets these kids to disrespect the parents even more of your you struggled at the beginning of the heightened quite a bit because of what these professors are feeding the students in one of the things it doesn't help is that it's kind of a lost art. When you think of critical thinking skills. Show me people do not have critical thinking skills and the universities and public high schools in such teach kids what a thing rather than a how to think and so whatever they're told by the professor. The new students are single. This is a college professor, PhD study this for your human expert. He knows what he's talking about is a sharp person that that's all reason I'm here to learn Ashley, he's here to teach. I'm here to learntalking about and so they did write it down and they don't even have time to really think it through. One asked questions because you want to be made fun of the professor and turn attacks you and again you're just busy and this is good to be on the test and you need to pass the test. Past class you need to pass the class to get a degree you need to get agree to go out in the real world and get on with life and so what else is really causing problems for your. A good student to write it down and regurgitated, test and run and sold it really is indoctrination because they're not thinking through things anymore and they learn the critical thinking skills even when they were at home and in reading the Bible and all that in learning how to ask questions like that question when I met you before someone so there is no evidence the God of the Bible critical thinking skills would have you respond by saying all what would you accept as evidence. Can you give an example of something that would count as evidence that God wrote something what would it look like I just curious if you say it doesn't exist. What is it that you're looking to see that you always find out they haven't thought of you is not thought that through have no example: all in the world will be over recognize evidence for inspiration of the Bible having to find it in their own mind that they don't even know what you're looking for really great way for us to understand how to think to ask questions back in class will do you have any experience in your life when you were in college were maybe professors treated you that way or got mad at your try to embarrass you in front of others. Sure, I can begin transferring from the Christian University, one from engineering physics at the state University of my professors once they all know home. What I believed they were somewhat hostile towards me.

In particular, my geology professor and member the first week of class in a minute geology class at the state University. I don't know any other students in this class I'm sitting in the second row professor doesn't know me. I was very shy. Something in the class and know anything about geology.

I just need one more science class in order to get my physics degree so I got up geology of something there and the first week of class. The professor starts making fun of the Bible which shocked me about okay but wouldn't talk a lot rocks wisely talk about the Bible. I wanted to talk what to buy. We could go to Clausewitz, so he's making fun of the Bible and the students are laughing and I felt so uncomfortable sitting in the class because I didn't want to say I could miss or refute what he was saying and to try to raise my hand to start.

Brian and I just a good also schedule all extremists in the middle of the sentence he stops and he said I can't remember to say, while at work, but he did mention class that all the planets rotated the same direction and I had just started studying evidence for creation for number reasons got put in the heart, I needed to really learn that because I'm getting a degree in physics and going up against the whole concept of evolution.

The Big Bang and I remember reading that to the planets rotated backwards, and he knew it was an issue for the Big Bang ideas in the nebular hypothesis of gases are swirling a certain way most gases formed the sun and the planets. They should all rotate the same way the actual date backwards when it was an issue so I went to his office after class and is knocked on the door again. He didn't know what was the 70s student when your classes and as of today you mentioned that all the plants will take the same direction actually to rotate backwards and he instantly got angry and I guy could not asserted any kind or just get up and he said no not all that all rotate the same light as one electric tool backwards know know know they all rotate assembly and a select get you the documentation. If you like to see if you do that I just turn around and walk away and was so intimidated by him and I went and found the article was from science magazine secular source and brought back in two days later not in his office reminded that I was there lazily or talk with the planets that's what you requested this documentation so I handed it to him again, living soul, respectful and very kind started reading it and he said well I guess I just wasn't keeping up with the latest findings and isolate was actually 16 years ago are Catholic Leos are pointing out, this wasn't a new discovery than normal this for a long time and transporting he did not goal back to the class to say I mention this to you today. I guess I was wrong about that. He didn't say anything.

I did not raise my hand as a prophet you tell everyone that you were wrong and fills my place to do that about disrespectful he never correct himself well. Couple years later after graduate I was invited back to the state University to speak of the University group so I give a talk for about an hour rated almost an hour Q&A afterwards. I'm talking to just a group of students casually mention something that reminded me of the story with this geology professor.

So I told them that story privately. I did not share the story with Colton because he was still a professor there and he didn't want disparaging told this to three students the story and one girl. Her jaw drop. She says I can't believe that she was. I have him for geology professor and just yesterday you told us all the planets rotate the same direction was probably four years later teaching the same thing. Those who: no cares and then he treated me very differently while I was still there at the University.

Sometimes he will you make eye contact with me would answer questions like is the exam Tuesday or Thursday this week when you walk away from me on another time I had asked him a question about a certain rock formation that I literally knew nothing about. I wasn't trying to make a point. I just thought this was really cool and I showed him this was a newspaper clipping. As you know anything about this and he started swearing at me and the rest of the class was there all think of what I do look some I didn't do anything other than asking you know anything about this. He thought I was trying to make appointment which I wasn't allowed back from him at other things for my physics professor I had other things like thermodynamics professor.

Lots and lots of stories like that work you do get attacked what you believe what God is faithful.

You either use the crucible character really learn you know what he wanted because he had worked occurred at a time for me to do and then he will equip you to do that is so sad that that happens a lot. Colleges and universities I think will generate you quickly share some tacky Christian students who were listening can use with their professors very quickly. Number one.

Be respectful, good Christian example. Don't all the professor out front of the other students. I would say only raise your hand if you want to ask question clarification. If you think you are wrong about something. Don't say that's Ron here's the truth, but you can say, could you explain that a little further and secondarily I would highly suggest approaching professor outside of class in their office and I would even recommend bringing a friend with you. Teachers can be conversational and unneeded witnesses who said what, I would go there and in doing very tactfully great respect that you just want clarification on something that you know something that you would want to share with them to see what their response might be you want to get into an argument in front of the rest of the classes Christian testimony in a car you want and well because a professor. Bring up 30 things to everyone that you might possibly think: boulders a few things on the surface and thank you so much to continue. This is fascinating topic will quickly tell them again how they can learn more about you and get your products go to our website starting point Lots of DVD, streaming video, booklets, books and other resources and again the main thing it was around speak. Also, Grand Canyon tours, which will see all their love starting point close go to the starting point project. Go to his website you want to have J computer.Adam we had about our church is phenomenal. Just great. He speaks at schools all over the country.

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