The Death Penalty? Israel v. Hamas? Calm Under Fire? + More From USF Tabling

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Hi, Charlie. My name is Cameron. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about some contradictions that I heard in your arguments. On the topic of foster care, you mentioned earlier that you were in favor of cutting social welfare programs. That would include foster care because those people are dependent on it. I don't understand how you could be pro-life. I don't like the terminology of that, but you're pro-life. But then after the kids are born, you're advocating for less social protections for them.

So I don't remember. Did I say I wanted to cut social welfare programs? When did I say that?

When you said that people have an over-dependence on social welfare. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, on social welfare.

Yeah, of course. But foster care is a unique thing because these are kids that are not yet of the agenic age to be able to produce or get work. So obviously, there's a role for foster care system, but it's incredibly broken. Let's be honest, the foster care system is one of the most broken, cruel and unusual portions of our government.

So not necessarily a good one to be defending, but it should be completely blown up and reconstituted in a new form. And I also think that foster care gets left behind in the whole argument because you're advocating for traditional family values. And that doesn't really include adopting a kid. It includes having your own nuclear family.

No, it does. Why would you say that? Because so many foster kids are left behind.

That was just the point. Well, hold on. Them being left behind is a separate issue than adoption, right?

So, correct? Because that's about child abandonment, not about people that want to adopt kids. So let me just give you the numbers. There are about a million abortions every year. There are about 3 million people on the adoption waiting list. So we can't adopt these kids fast enough out of the foster care system, right?

Yes. So why is it we can't adopt them? I'm not sure the answer to that question. You might say because we have a lack of families to adopt them.

No, actually, no, we have plenty. It's just bureaucratic red tape, really. It's incredibly hard to adopt a kid in America. Incredibly hard.

And needlessly hard. The second contradiction was about how you advocate for a limited government but think that the government should have the jurisdiction to kill someone. Okay, well, I believe in a small but strong government and for the record, I believe that someone who took a life should have their life taken. Under every circumstance?

Under most, yeah. I think if you take a life, your life should be taken. Okay.

That was all I have. But let me ask you a question. What do you think would be a just punishment for a murderer of an 8-year-old? I would say lock them up and make them pay for their mistakes in real time. But I understand that costs taxpayer money and everything, but I just am against the death penalty. Okay. So is there any circumstance where you think the death penalty is okay? Yes, I think that school shooters and mass murderers and crimes against humanity, like you said, but not eye for an eye nonsense. Okay.

But let me understand. Why is it that if you kill 10 people, such a morally different thing than killing one person? Because you're taking more lives. And I'm against the death penalty because, again, you're taking another life. It's like you're being hypocritical.

Well, hold on. You're against it in some circumstances. You said school shooters, so there is a threshold where you're okay with it.

I want to know by what moral standard you say it's okay, not okay. And where do you get that from? That has been studied and tried, and I'm just a kid.

No, I just want to know why you believe it, though. Because... I'm not trying to play on the spot. Be nice, guys. Seriously. Thanks.

Thanks. Because I think that there's definitely degrees of evilness, and I just don't believe in an eye for an eye, like a direct proportion, killing because they killed someone. I know that sounds good, but isn't that what justice should be? Justice is the administration of what is due.

You should get what you have done received in return. Not more, not less. I think an institution should never be able to make decisions that influence life or death things. The government is not a person with feelings or morals. It's an institution comprised of people that can be corrupt.

So depending on what the law is and everything, then the justice would mirror what the government is saying. I'm going to be gentle, because I can see you're a nice person, okay? However, let me just kind of tell you why I think you're wrong. Is that okay? Yes, absolutely.

Okay. So everything the government does is a statement of some morality, right? If you lock up somebody in prison, that is taking away their freedom or liberty. So you have to make at some point, you have to say, I am appealing to some objective standard as to why I think the government should do what it does.

And we have an answer to that question, right? I just want to know by what standard you think the government should be able to do that it does or does not do. Because the government does take life and the government should be able to take life very sparingly and rarely through a jury of your peers and you're proven guilty and all sorts of these different elements. And you believe that even with mass shooters. So there is a degree of which you think that justice is due.

So the question is, this is a very important point that you stumbled into. We as conservatives try to strive for blind justice. Those on the left will argue for social justice. Is that a fair categorization?

Yes. Social justice is saying, no, you should not be given what you are due. You should be given more or extra based on some sort of group criteria, some sort of background, some sort of suffering.

We as conservatives believe in the ideal that you shall not favor the administrative justice just because of your skin color, background, wealth, so on and so forth. Does that make sense? At least the differences of opinions. Yes. Okay. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Can I have a hat?

Yes, you can. Of course. Thank you. Thank you so much.

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How are you? I just wanted to get your opinion on the funding of APAC and the alleged buying out of the U.S. Congress, especially with everything going on overseas and the highly criticized and debated like two party stay between Israel and the Palestinian people. My my opinion of APAC are yours.

How would you curb or resolve the issue? Not just APAC. We have our own domestic issues, but they're coming in and earning twenty eight billion dollars for their donation of forty three and a half to the U.S. Congress. So our foreign like our proxies and our donations to Ukraine and the state of Israel.

So how would how would I curb that? I mean, well, look, understand APAC is constituted of Americans that are advocating for a foreign policy thing they care about. And it's it's a very dangerous road to be on. There are groups of Armenians that advocate for the recognition of the Armenian genocide. There are groups of American Indians that recognize for better relations with India. And it just so happens there are a lot of American Jews that argue for a very strong relationship with Israel. So can I better understand the question? So how do you feel about America using Israel as a proxy and like the Apollo affair and Levon affair and the Gulf wars and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? OK, there's a lot there. So how do I think of Israel as an ally?

Is that what you're asking? As America using it as a proxy to keep a chokehold on the Middle East? Well, I kind of reject the premise of that. I mean, I'm very pro Israel. I don't think they're perfect. They do a lot that I wouldn't do and that I don't support. But I don't know. I would I would better argue in America that Israel is a complicated ally of the United States, but very necessary in the Middle East. Yes.

And why so? For many reasons, for military technology sharing, for data sharing, for also they're a free society, an island of totalitarianism. Yeah. So a Western power based on imperialism and imperialistic tendencies?

Not necessarily. No, I mean, they're their own sovereign country with their own elections, their own country. Do you think Israel has a right to exist? I do. And I believe in a two party solution, but I don't believe in a two state solution.

I'm sorry, two state solution. But I don't believe in the genocide and displacement of one point seven million Palestinian people. Because if you advocate for life, you advocate for. OK, so let's let's make sure we get our terms right. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but what is a genocide? Mass killing of people. OK, targeted, targeted mass killing of people.

Is that what Israel is doing? Yes, most definitely. How? So you're telling me. Hold on. Let's let's get back.

Is did Hamas then commit a genocide on October 7th? OK. Yeah. Yeah.

OK. Let me let me get there. Yes. Based on your. OK, so. So both sides are committing. But since 48, we have the partition plan of 1947. We have the transfer agreement in 1933. There's so much that built up to it.

The Warsaw ghetto. OK, so it's justified to go into nurseries and slit baby's throats. No, they didn't do that. Oh, no, no, they did. OK, OK. Hold on time. If you want to see the evidence, then I can pull up a list. Where is the evidence? I could show you GoPro footage. Hold on a second. GoPro footage of hours uninterrupted of Hamas terrorists wearing GoPros, slitting little baby's throats, going into rock concerts and indiscriminately raping women, kidnapping them and bringing them back to Gaza.

If you'd like to watch that footage, you can. But you said I need a clear answer. Just make sure I'm clear. A genocide is the targeted mass killing of people. Yes. Hamas is guilty of genocide.

Yeah, but correlating. OK, do you believe in this is an off topic? What? No, I'm glad I'm glad you said yes. No, the Bill of Rights.

Look. So therefore, third and fourth amendment, do you believe in them? Yes. The right to bear arms, the right not to have soldiers quartered and the right to privacy. We can keep going. The right to feel right. Israel has been violating those for nearly the course of 100 years.

How would you feel if you invite someone into your home and you let them stay as a guest when they were oppressed? Well, hold on a sec. So first of all, the Second Amendment is not applicable outside of the shores of the United States. So not sure where you're going with that. But I want to make sure I'm clear. Let me just have you answer this final question. If a foreign power commits genocide against you, as you admit Hamas did, how should Israel respond?

By. OK. No, but so. So look, how should Israel respond? Genocide is allowed to defend themselves most definitely, but not to the extent they have done is killing 65000 people. First of all, twelve hundred and bombing civilian areas. Seventy percent of their casualties are women and children in the average age of a child.

And God is 18 years old. So first of all, where where are we drawing the line in the shade of gray between black and white? Who's right? Who's wrong?

We don't know. Well, who started it? Israel.

Most definitely. Hold on. The Arab Israeli war on a second time.

This has been on October 6th, the day before. Was there an act of war? Yes.

Prior. Why do you think there's a group of resistance living there when resistance? OK, no, I I can. So I just wanna make sure I understand the argument that this has been a bubbling up conflict since the 1950s.

It has been boy prior to the let me ask you, let me answer your question. Israel got out of Gaza in the early 2000s. Yes. Gave it to Hamas.

But if there's still a ruling over. Why? Why were they not able to create a nice place in Gaza? Because Israel is holding their materials and their rights. So do you see a through line here, guys? And it's important, though. It's always somebody else's fault.

Don't speak over me, please. Well, it actually is my deal, but that's fine. So it is always somebody else's fault, right? No, I'm saying there's wrong on both sides, most definitely, but more on the side of Israel. It's it's unsanctioned and unreasoned to go and kill that many people for no reason. What number would be satisfactory to kill after they go and kill twelve hundred people?

Give me the equation. I want to make sure you believe in an eye for an eye. Generally. But I will.

I just want to know the equation. So this is politics. They can negotiate. We can release prisoners.

We can, which they are. OK. Yeah. As you admit, Hamas uses civilians as human shields. Absolutely not. I believe Israel doesn't have video footage of it.

I it's difficult to debate if you're just on a completely different fact pattern. So let me just I will give you a reading of the video. I see videos every day.

I have family there. I see them torn and ripped to shreds by Israeli missiles and them killing kids and animals in the street and fun and laughing. And they know none of them. None of those missiles.

They don't work. Regardless, prior to October, a soldier, a soldier, me versus you, if you're walking in the street with your family and I shoot you and posted on TikTok and laugh. Is that not a war crime? That's what Hamas did. No, that's right.

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That wasn't the question. If Israel disbanded its military, what would happen? The Palestinians would take over, but they would let the Jews.

Listen, listen, listen, not forcefully. This is how they operate. This is how Muslims operate. They let them live under them in Jizya.

They tax them and they let them live and they take that tax and give it back to them. How do you think the Ottoman Empire worked and lasted 600 years? How do you think the Golden Age of Islam lasted for 300 years?

Because this is history. I just want to make sure I understand. So they would just take over mostly peacefully? No, most definitely peacefully. Can you show me an example of Jews living peacefully under Islamic rule?

Most definitely. Where? When Hamas had Israeli captives. Have you seen the Israeli captives? They killed? They're not killed. There was a nine month old baby that just got returned home as a corpse by Hamas.

I am interested by what you're saying. Again, this is why it's important on this topic to state on the moral domain because all of your numbers are wrong. 65,000 kids have not died. I didn't say 65,000 kids. I said 65,000 Palestinians and 1.7 million have been displaced creating one of the largest refugees. None of that is correct. It's a fraction.

I don't believe any of the numbers. The point is this. If Israel laid down its weapons, they would be eliminated. No, they would not. You just admitted they would take over Israel. If Hamas laid down their weapons, we would have peace.

Most definitely not. The Israelis would keep doing what they have been doing. They have their right to resistance.

They have a cease fire currently but prior to that. Anyone else in the world? The emotions of this topic are very high. Obviously, my allegiance is first and foremost to America. I'm interested in it just from a moral standpoint though, which is why is it? Help me understand. There are well over 40 Muslim majority countries in the world, over a billion Muslims.

Israel is the size of New Jersey and it has half the world's Jewry, about 7 million people. Why can't you just let Israel exist and leave it alone? Why the focus? Why the intensity? Why the anger? There's no anger. There's no anger?

Not from me. I'm talking about maybe other people. I don't hate anyone.

I'm not displeased with anyone. But I don't believe in the unnecessary killing of people. That's not how we were raised. That's an American value and a conservative value. I agree. That's why I think October 7th was the beginning of the unraveling of a lot of decency and conflict. What do you think about all that spilling over prior?

It's the same with the American Revolution. I reject the premise. You reject the premise? To say that they had no choice but to go and kill a bunch of babies.

Let me actually challenge the point. If you were correct and Hamas was trying to resist, why didn't they go attack military targets and instead they attack civilian targets? That's what terrorists do, right? So if it was really like, hey, they wanted to resist, they should have went after IDF outposts and picked a fight with somebody their own size.

They went after little kids in nurseries, in kibbutzes. And I think you have a moral right. Hold on. You're very well read on this topic. You have family there. I think you have a moral obligation to watch the GoPro videos.

They're public. I've seen. I will show you footage every day coming out of Gaza. I've seen what you've seen. I will show you everything. No, I don't believe you've seen what I've seen because then you wouldn't talk this way. No, no, I've seen what you've seen. I want you to look at the guys that for three hours straight were watching GoPro videos laughing, putting babies in ovens. Okay, show it to me or send me the link.

I'm happy to. And the fact you don't even know it exists is very telling because that's why Israel has become so aggressive in return. And understand the background is that the Jewish people have still not repopulated themselves to the pre-Nazi Holocaust levels. How many people do you think died in the Holocaust? How many people do you think died in the Holocaust? I don't know. That's why I'm asking.

I get so many different options. Seven to eight million is usually the number? They say seven to eight million. I've seen six. I've seen two.

I've seen three. Okay, so what number do you believe? And why does it matter? Did I live back then?

That's the 1940s, 1930s, 40s. Does it matter? No, I mean, regardless, it's a massive killing of them, but I don't know how many have died. Is the Holocaust real? Yeah, of course the Holocaust is real. Okay, good. Then it shouldn't matter. But how can you say they haven't repopulated to those times?

How do you know? Is there a record of the death? Yeah, there is a record of the death.

And so we know how many Jews that there were in the country and in Europe, and they have not yet been able to repopulate to those same equivalent numbers coming back. So look, I think we don't agree on anything, and that's okay. I would love to see an end to the killing.

However, there needs to be three. Let me ask you my three-part question, okay? Do you believe anti-Semitism is real, wrong, and evil? I believe it is wrong, and I believe it exists, and I believe it's evil, yes. Okay, good. And Israel is right to exist.

It's a super easy three-point question. Let me pause right there and ask you, what defines a Semite, and when did the term come about? Well, a Semite comes from somebody from the Samaritan region, right? Yes, Semitic peoples, which consist of...

Right, I could have finished the answer, but yes, from the Samaritan region, that is a term that has largely been popularized in the last 1,500. So let me be more specific. Anti-Jewish hatred, is that fair? Yes, that's more... That's evil, wrong... Yes. Okay, Israel has a right to exist. Yes.

Yes, okay, good. And that, since we posit that Israel has a right to exist, that we need to come up with some solution where all people can live peacefully in the region. A two-state solution. Okay, or a one-state solution, or a three-state solution, right? Well, okay, then why can't they, if it's a one-state solution, why can't they live under the Palestinians peacefully? Like they did previously.

I don't speak on behalf of Israel, but if a group of people go and murder 1,200 of your own people for no reason, I don't think I'm going to give them the keys to Jerusalem. Okay, that's fine. Thank you so much, I appreciate your time, thank you. Thank you. Disagreements, welcome guys, thank you very much. Hello. Hi, my name is Kyle Volling, I'm a senior here at the University of South Florida.

Guys, please show respect to everyone asking a question, okay? Thank you very much. I'm a senior at the ASL interpreting program here at USF, and I bring this up because you had made the claim back in January during the Los Angeles fires.

I totally stand by this, by the way. Yeah, during the Los Angeles fires, ASL interpreters on screen were distracting and unnecessary. I'd like to start off with what your perspective of ASL is, because a lot of people have ranges and some people may be inaccurate on what that belief is. I just mean the sign language interpreters during the disaster proclamations that didn't exist when I was a kid and for whatever reason I have to look at them and it distracts me when I'm trying to hear what the person has to say. Okay, so a lot of people who are unaware of what American Sign Language is thinks it's that it's word-for-word exact English.

In most cases it's not, so it's a completely different form of a language like any person who speaks Spanish or English. And I bring this up because there was an estimate about ten people who had died in the Los Angeles fire, and a lot of the claims and the rhetoric that you had used, that ASL interpreters were useless and unimportant, could have led those people to remain living in the environment that they were in. They had ASL interpreters, so it didn't save their life. Okay, but let's just say if they weren't able to. No, they did. No, hold on a second.

Your argument is not founded because every California broadcast requires ASL interpreters, so how could it have saved their life if it already existed? Okay, fair point. I understand that. But then I do... Am I unable to agree with Charlie? That's fine.

Let me just... I'm curious. Why can't people who are deaf just read closed captions? Yes, so I have that written down. Closed captions. Closed captions is exact word-for-word order. ASL and English are not the exact same language. People who have no exposure to what English is, and who grew up in a generationally deaf family, only know American Sign Language. The same way that somebody who was from Mexico and they only spoke Spanish, or any country for that instance, would only know the language they spoke at home.

So having that access... But the disaster briefings are only in English. But ASL provides that access to other people. The same way that Spanish interpreters on screen... Hold on, you can do closed captions in Spanish too. They can, correct. But ASL interpreters on screen is the exact same thing as closed captions. Closed captions on the screen is for hearing people who are unable to hear.

I picked this fight for a very specific reason. It is a small portion of the population. And I agree. It's obviously unnecessary, and it's kind of in your face of this non-stop virtue signaling thing that we're going to keep on adding new trappings to appease new groups for no good emergency response reason whatsoever. So are you saying that deaf people are unimportant to our society? No, I think they're super important. Because that's the rhetoric that you're saying, that ASL interpreters on screen are unimportant to the deaf community that you have. No, I think you can go back to how things were under Katrina, or you just read closed captions. As I'm saying, ASL has a completely different linguistic and cultural background. Can you give me evidence it saved lives?

I'm sure I could find plenty, but right now I don't have any. My deaf ASL professor has no problem. She actually referred closed captions. And that's what I'm saying. ASL is a complete range of a language, but completely blocking out ASL interpreters and saying that our work is completely useless is very unempowering to the field that we're going into. And we're very lucky here at USF to have the only face-to-face program that offers ASL interpreting.

The only other college here in Florida is University of North Florida, which is all online. Okay, so let me just make sure I understand. I don't know the answer to this, but do you think that in how we do broadcasts or whatever, we should have pandering subsets to every single portion of minority populations? For example, should we just say we're not going to do the broadcasts with audio anymore because of hearing-sensitive people that don't like...

I mean, we can get to some extremes here. So are you more against having access to people who are unaware of English? Let me tell you what I'm against. I'm against changing what has worked to try and accommodate very small portion of the population that have outsized ability to complain for no reason whatsoever.

And that has wide-ranging civilizational implications. I think closed captions have worked. They do work. And by the way, you know the amount of deaf people that reach out to me saying ASL is a racket and that closed captioning? I mean, I opened this huge fight. The ASL Association came after me, this whole thing. I love all people.

Some of my best friends are deaf. And it's not about that. It's a broader question of where are we ever going to draw the line as a country that maybe this pandering has gone too far.

So I'm more concerned because ASL, the first word is American. What is so awful about that that's providing access that you're so against? Having it on the screen is hardly a distraction. Again, you can kind of tell I'm pushing the boundaries intentionally because I think that if somebody doesn't say this is silly and stupid, nobody will. And at some point you get to the place where you have to say, no, what is the purpose of this? Why does this exist?

Because ASL interpreters have only truly been around since the 1960s after the ADA had made them a point to have them. Honestly, God bless you for wanting to serve people that are not able to hear. I think that's really admirable. I think that's great.

Whether or not it's part of a mandated emergency broadcast is a completely different issue. I wish you well. Thank you for your comments. Thank you.

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That's a good question. I will say, look, I naturally do not have a lot of self-control, but I believe it's a fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and of course the last one, self-control. And I believe that those of us that are Christians should invite the Holy Spirit into our life on a daily basis.

And that is a fruit of the Spirit. Okay, thanks. That's the best answer I have. God bless you. Thank you.

I want to invite disagreement from students in particular. Okay, so we'll get to you. Don't worry.

Let's let this young man come and then we'll go there. Is that a Mises pin? Yes, it is. Oh my gosh. Ludwig von Mises. I really appreciate what you said about education. We shouldn't be specialized. You know, we should be learning philosophy and the ancients and so on. And it makes me really sad.

I'm about to disagree with you here. Do losers deserve property rights? And losers, I mean the Palestinians. I mean, do they deserve life? Do they deserve to, you know, have their own associations and, you know, voluntary associations and so on? We're appealing to objective standards. Why can't we have that for them as well?

Great question. Let me just pause and say, guys, I have a rule that I will not do a topic more than twice. This is the last time on Israel, okay? And just, if you guys know, people are fired up. I'm happy to talk about it, but this is not the Charlie Kirk Israel hour.

So is that cool? We'll close this the last time and then we'll, otherwise this only becomes singular topic focus. I'm sorry, yeah. No, no, no. Don't apologize. It's fine. So you're asking, do losers get property rights?

Well, let me just kind of push back. There has been self-governed autonomy of Gaza since early 2006. The West Bank is largely self-autonomous and has sovereignty. So they do have property rights. What they've done with those property rights has been pretty lackluster.

It's become basically a hellish place to live, unfortunately. Yeah, I would only disagree and say that Hamas is the ones who've been ruling the place, right? And they aren't actually protecting the property rights of the Gazans and so on.

Totally. They're just another gang, right? And I'm completely in agreeance with you of getting rid of that gang, right? But then what about those Palestinians? Can they come back to that land? Can they live there? Can they have voluntary associates there?

I would love to say yes. Let me tell you my biggest issue, and you might agree or disagree. The first issue is this, is that Hamas was democratically elected. There is support for Hamas within the people of Gaza. Now, I don't trust these polls where they say, and this is even from some of the pro-Israel voices, they say, oh, you know, Hamas is supported by a lot of people. I look at a singular piece of evidence, which is when the Hamas terrorists did what they did on October 7th.

They were greeted with widespread parade and celebrations in the streets of Gaza. That's troubling. That's troubling. So the biggest problem is, is Islam in its current form? Can Islam in its current form foster a free society? And that's a question because in the implementation of Mohammedan Islamic Jihadism, will they respect the elements of a free society?

And we don't have a lot of evidence to suggest yes. Okay, sure, but the reason why I think it's important to reinstate that, you know, the Palestinians should live in that land, and it's theirs, right? And they should be relocated to Jordan or any other Arab country. It's because, ethnically, that's where their family came from, right? That's where their lineage comes from. And so it would seem disingenuous to say that, well, if Trump came in and, you know, basically, you know, re-bombed the area and got rid of all of them, moved them all out, developed the land, and just put Jews back into place.

That doesn't seem proper and right. I mean, I'm fine with Israel controlling the whole area, but why can't Palestinians themselves live in those areas? I mean, it doesn't seem like… They do, and they probably end up will. This idea of them moving in and out is logistically so impossible, I can't even wrap my head around it. What I will say, though, is that this is the more complicated, and I don't want to get into this, is like whose land is it? And exactly who is the Palestinian people?

Those are much more complicated questions. For basically as long as there has been a Judea and Samaria, it has been the nations of Israel for about 3,000 years, there have been Jews in those regions. What is a Palestinian is a much more complicated question, because that is actually a new term. So is a Palestinian an Arab? Is it a Muslim? Is it someone from Jordan? Is it someone from Syria? Is it someone from… It's the current people group living in Palestine.

That is the best answer, right? Well, again, what is Palestine is another question. I actually believe in people's right to self-determination, that if you say you are a people, you become a people.

I believe in that. However, their claim is not an ethnic one, so they're inviting the criticism, if that makes sense. Sure. I mean, and I would only push back and say that, you know, most of the Jews who are living there now, most of them came from Eastern Europe, from Thomas Hertzel and… Of course, but they don't live in Gaza. Sure, but they live in a part of Israel that wasn't originally theirs, and they bought some of the land from, you know, the Turkish and so on, but they didn't buy all that land. They definitely invaded and conquered it. Yeah, and again, I don't want to go too deep into this, but the parts that were questionably Israel's have been largely given back.

The Sinai in particular was given back to Egypt. There were lots of land for peace deals and that almost never works. You seem very reasonable. Here's what bothers me, is I've dealt with a lot and I've got to know, as you could tell, the previous young man that was up here, there's a lot of people from this region that are wicked smart. I think they deserve better than living under a radical Islamic totalitarian government and I want to try to see them get closer to a free society.

And I don't think under current Islam that's possible. Sure. Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.