Do We Still Need a Wall? and Other Questions

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. How are you? Hi, I'm good. How are you? Good. My name is Mackenzie. It's so awesome to meet you.

I think you're awesome. I just wanted to ask, since college is a scam, what should we do if we have to go to school to get a degree? I want to be a social worker, so I need a degree.

How can I make the best of my experience here if I'm getting scammed? Well, you're already doing it. I mean, look, just so everyone understands my perspective, if you have to go to college, you know, go to the least expensive option available and get through as quickly as possible. But my opinion is that they're, not just my opinion, the data shows there's millions of jobs that are open that don't require a college degree. We need more plumbers, electricians, welders. I think we need more people that are entrepreneurs and less people just with college degrees. But look, you're all in college, you're all kind of part of this institution. Just understand that half of you guys when you graduate college, if you get a job, will get a job there. If you get a job, will get a job that doesn't require a college degree.

So half of people that go to college end up not even using the college degree. But as a social worker, honestly, my biggest advice for you is that hold on to your conservative principles even when you go into social work. Social work is super, super left wing, as you well know.

You're probably learning it throughout. And the reason being is this, is that when you're in social work, you are engrossed and surrounded by very sad stories, people that need help, people that need compassion. And automatically you think, well, we need a bigger government to help those people. Well, we as conservatives have a completely different perspective that maybe instead of big government, we need big families. And maybe instead of the government being strengthened, we need more dads in the home. And instead of growing the size of the state, we need more people to go to church and to believe in the divine and respect of the individual and the dignity of every human being. So we that that's correct. Jesus is Lord. You're right. And so we share we can share with a lot of social workers or in social work the need to help people that are that have less. In fact, we as Christians are called to do that.

But we believe that permanent government assistance and programs is the wrong way to do that. Are you are you finding in social work? It's a little bit left leaning or you're? Um, well, I'm not there yet.

Yeah. But I do, you know, I want to go to social work. I want to like help foster kids. The pro life movement is something that's really important to me.

So I want to do like what I can to help the foster system and yeah, just, you know, make the future anti abortion. Thank you. Great first question. Thank you. Can I? Yes.

Would you sign it? Thank you. God bless you.

Yes. Hey, Charlie. During the 2016 Republican primary when Trump got booed on stage, he famously he famously said that's all his donors and special interests. And the only reason that they're not loving him was because he doesn't want their money but rather wanted to do what's best for the American people. He also tweeted out in 2015 Sheldon Adelson is looking to give big dollars to Rubio because he feels he can mold him into his perfect little puppet.

I agree. In 2024 not only has Trump appointed little Marco as his secretary of state, but has also accepted $100 million in political contributions from the widow of the very same donor who he called out in 2015 Miriam Adelson Miriam Adelson. If the foundation of MAGA was to be a raw authentic movement in the face of overwhelming establishment corruption, why did Trump accept hundreds of millions of dollars from in political contributions from mega donors? We have to finance your campaign somehow right and we won in 2015 he financed it himself. He was funded he ran in the primary did you right that's right. Yeah.

But look, you have to accept money from different coalitions of people. Are you glad Trump won? Uh, to some extent, yeah.

Okay. To what extent are you not happy he won? Um, I think he doesn't represent the same thing that he represented in 2015.

Okay, tell me why. In 2015 he represented a political outsider. He was not the establishment. He was a stark contrast from the establishment. He was opposing Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, the Bushes.

So let's in practice. How is Trump not governing as an outsider? He literally just like fired 300,000 people in the last month. We have he got rid of USA ID.

Well, ending the Russian Ukrainian war, of course, border crossings are down 95%. I mean, how's not an outsider? Of course, he's an outsider from the previous the previous administration, the Biden administration, but he's not really the same Trump that he was in 2015. I think he's better.

He's better. Yeah, really? I mean, but let's go to the last thing about it. I mean, in every single element, the first term, he didn't get rid of USA ID. First term, he didn't say he wanted to get rid of their private education. The first term, he did not say we're gonna have the largest deportation effort ever, of which we are doing.

I mean, we're actually seeing new and improved promises and fulfillment of the original Trump agenda. What happened to the wall? Well, you mean the wall that Biden decided to deconstruct? I think what you're talking about is border crossings, which is more important, right? No, I'm talking about the border wall that Trump promised he would build in 2015. Of which he largely did in his first term, disassembled under Biden. But the essence is border crossings, right?

Because we want a wall to stop border crossings, right? So how many border crossings were there approximately last day of Biden's day in office? Tell me. No, guess. I don't know, you're putting on the spot. Yeah, 11,000, right?

No, but you're criticizing Trump, so you got to know your stuff, right? Sure. 11,000. How many as of yesterday? Tell me 124.

Wow. So we went from 11,000 to 124. So what President Trump has done, so obviously you care about stopping the flow of people coming into the country, right? So President Trump has now said from 11,000 to 124, 95% decrease, almost a 98% decrease. So he's doing, through executive action, the things that Biden refused to do. But yeah, I think it's new and improved. I think it's an exciting, amazing new administration.

But I want you to be very clear and crisp. What are your objections to what he's doing versus 2015? Again, I really got to hone in on, he didn't promise during the campaign that he'd build the wall. In 2024, his campaign never talked about building the wall. No, he said the largest deportation force in the history of America, of which we're seeing right now. Child rapists, child sex traffickers and predators are being deported on a daily basis. And yes, by the way, the wall is being built. The biggest reason the wall was ever put into question was because of federal judges that were blocking the construction of the wall.

So we had to get more creative. You know what he's done in this term? They didn't do the first term. He's mobilized the military to actually run the southern border, and he has designated the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations with use of lethal force actions against them.

So it feels if you're trying to find complaints against him, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, because this Trump 2.0 is 100 times better than the first Trump term. While we may have won this election, the fight to restore our great nation is only beginning. Now is the time to take a stand, and Patriot Mobile is leading the charge. As America's only Christian conservative wireless provider, Patriot Mobile offers a way to vote with your wallet without compromising on quality or convenience. Patriot Mobile isn't just about providing exceptional cell phone service.

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Visit PatriotMobile.com slash Charlie or call 972-PATRIOT. Well, it just seems like he's a different Trump than the Trump in 2013. Okay, so see, but but use evidence, not emotions.

Right. So so what evidence do you have? Not like it feels it seems like what what evidence do you have? My evidence is that my original question, he took hundreds of millions of dollars and he didn't build the wall.

But no, we've already been through that. For example, like the border crossings are coming at all time low. The wall is not talking about border crossings, but you build a wall to prevent border crossings. So if you can get border crossings low without a wall, then it's even and to establish sovereignty and of course, look, he will build those things. I just find it interesting.

I'm just trying to get down. Will you build the wall if courts allow him to? Of course you will. I mean, obviously. But he has the biggest mandate that he had that he will ever have.

And he is fulfilling it every single day. So did you vote for Trump? I abstained from voting. Okay, well, well, I'll say one thing. I hope you enjoy a better America because even though you didn't vote for the right candidate, you're gonna enjoy a better country.

Thanks to President Donald Trump. Thank you. Yes. How's it going, Charlie? How are you? Good.

My name is Camden. I've been a supporter for you for a long time. And I have a quick question or two quick questions. The first one is, why are colleges getting so much more liberal in this generation specifically? And what can we do about that? Well, I will say students are becoming more right wing. I mean, this is amazing. By the way, Gen Z was the biggest move towards Donald Trump of any demographic and generation this last November. So thank you guys for that.

It was amazing. Major, major move. Would you say this campus is pretty liberal? Yes. Yeah. Very.

Do you guys feel as if on campus that if you speak out as a conservative, you are graded differently? Yes. Yeah.

So you guys feel as if you say conservative view, you'll be graded negatively. Yes. Yeah. So tell me more about that.

I would just be curious. I'm in an economics of women in work class, and I'm like the only one there's economics of women. Yes, it was required.

It was required. And I'm the only pretty much conservative in the class that believes that the gender pay gap is a myth that there's obviously Yeah. But they're so stern on grading as if there is one.

So if I say something that's against that, then I'm graded differently. This proves my point that college is a scam. You should not be forced to go into debt to study things that are not true.

Again, I just I reject whole premise. But yeah, look, the part of the problem is that it's taxpayer funded. President Trump is waging a war against the college cartel, which is amazing, saying that federal taxpayer money will not go to schools like this if they teach garbage like critical race theory, DEI, transgenderism ideology, it's going to be a process actually unfolding that. But yeah, the other problem is this is that these professors have never done anything in the real world, many of them, they have lived in their kind of circles of abstractions for their entire life. And, again, I truly believe that if you were to go and not, I'm not saying everyone should not go to college, but I think it's actually something you should consider.

I think that doing a gap year, instead of just growing right into college and spending the equivalent money, like, if I could ask, what is the Are you in state or out of state at this school? What is the tuition all in cost tuition room and board here? Way too much. Can I 40,000 50,000 7500 all in? I have bright future. So it's different for me.

But okay, but you got to give me some like idea. Around 20 with tuition room and board and everything all in. Okay, so it's subsidized by taxpayers, though, but that's a separate issue. Okay, so but for 20,000 bucks, I think you could better spend that money, quite honestly, experiencing other cultures, getting another job, like doing things outside of just the walls of this school.

That's why that's why I'm such a critic. And it's, I'll just be honest, I employ 1000 people at turning point, I don't care where you went to college, employers do not care where you went to college, they care about can you do the job. And we are seeing a we're seeing a change in the workplace. And college will be the last ones to adjust in this broken outdated model is that it's much more like sports teams, which is like what is your skill? What do you bring to the table?

Not like where did you go to college or how long you were there? We're seeing the kind of emergence of a free agent system, if you will, based on skill and merit. So anyway, hope that answers your question. Thanks. I have one more question.

Yeah, really quick. Okay, so I'm a Christian. I'm pro life, right? And there's, there's a lot of conservatives who also believe in the death penalty. But my question is, how can you believe in the death penalty and also be pro life?

I mean, it's a great question. But let me just, it's, I think it's, it's incredibly, logically contradictory. So if I may use a young lady as a jet, so let's pretend she was pregnant.

Okay. And there was an unborn human being in utero. And let's pretend he is on death row for murdering five people.

There's a difference that baby did nothing wrong in utero. He used his agency to go kill other five other people. And as a Christian, the only law that is repeated in all five books of the Torah is that if you kill a life, if you take a life, your life will be taken.

Can I can I counter? Yeah. So Paul killed Christians before he wrote 13 books of the Bible. So how do we?

Well, yeah, I mean, he obviously repented and gave his life to Christ and became a super amazing disciple. I guess the question is, do we believe in the ultimate administration of justice? And I think of course you do. If you take a life, your life should be taken. But equivalent making a moral equivalency of an unborn baby that has done nothing wrong, which by the way, we have no problem slaughtering, right?

Well, I'm saying as a country, right, we over a million and a half a year. And then we say, Oh, well, this guy who burned an entire house down and killed five people, you know, we need to feel sorry for them. Now, this is not you, but I could turn it on its head, that bleeding heart liberals will say they feel more sorry for the person on death row than for the baby in the womb that never had a chance to live. And so, for me, I think the the person that let's just again, I think the death penalty should only be used very rarely, very sparingly and should be done quickly. In fact, I even think that we should bring back, you know, public executions on certain people know, but think about it. I think that and you guys should laugh, but it should be done. And you guys should laugh.

But think about it. Some of these crimes are so heinous against humanity, that it must be done as a statement and not say that, you know, we're gonna we're gonna make you a sympathy. So I think that Luigi Maggioni guy, I think you should get the death penalty. I think that if you're going to go kill someone in the back of the head in the streets of New York, and act as if I should be sympathetic, because you didn't get a health care premium, you didn't like I think you should get the death penalty for that. I think if you take a life, your life should be taken and should be done, obviously, through a jury that appears. That's how I would respond to that. It's the administration of justice. And it's also more specifically, the life in the womb has not hurt anybody else.

The person on death penalty definitionally has hurt somebody else's life. Thank you. And then appreciate it. Yeah. Since I don't have a lot of time. Yeah. I have more time to ask more questions. Can I get you on my podcast in the future?

Maybe. All right. Here's my hat.

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Get in the game. Hey, so my name is Anderson. I agree with you on most things, but I disagree.

I think I disagree with you. You can correct me if I'm wrong on kind of the Republican Party's current stance on the Department of Education. I think that I moved here from Illinois in Chicago. What part of Chicago are you from?

Arlington Heights. So what high school do you go to? I didn't go to high school there, but I was supposed to go to Hersey. Okay, I went to Wheeling. Oh, my dad lived there.

That's crazy. So I know the area quite well. Did you go to middle school there? Yeah, I went to middle school there. I went to Thomas. I went to MacArthur. Oh, that's cool. So I know your neighborhood very well.

Yeah, yeah. And so how I've seen like kind of the changes from moving down here from the north, it seems like there's like this very like antagonistic view with education, which I didn't have in Illinois, at least in the part that I lived in, because it was a well off suburb. But I see the Republican Party moving far closer to like getting rid of it. And I think that having a tool to keep schools responsible based on the curriculum that they're teaching is far more valuable than getting rid of it just because there's so many problems with it. Fair argument.

Thank you. So the Department of Education was formed in 1979. Do you think it's done a good job of improving educational standards for kids in this country?

No, mostly no. But I think the proper tool of a federal government saying, hey, you have to teach truths, even if that local community doesn't necessarily want to like the example that I kind of thought of because I was talking to someone about this. I thought of like a coal mining town. In that town, it might be the most valuable thing to teach about mining to teach about that type of trade. Versus if you live in New York City, you're going to be learning a lot more of like markets and just overall higher education. And I think that's unfair that people are born into that area just because that area needs that economic development. So fair question.

So what you're saying is from a more conservative side, probably that a federal student Department of Education that actually mandates the right things from the top down. Yes. Sounds great. Let me tell you why a that won't happen.

And why be I think that's a bad idea. So even though it sounds conceptually right, a anything that starts in DC, with a good intention will be taken over by the cancer, the woke tumor and the woke cancer, it metastasizes envelopes the entire thing, even if it has a really good intent. I'll give you a great example. We have this huge fight right now in the Department of Defense, trying to get rid of all the woke stuff and the Marines and the Air Force. If we can't keep the Marines from becoming woke, we have no chance of the Department of Education ever not becoming in that area. And just by the actual fiber of what education is, more people on the left gravitate into that space.

Now, let me agree with you before I kind of get into the second point. The biggest problem with education, which is why we should get rid of the Department of Education is it's not the Department of Education. It's the Department of administrators.

This is what's very important. This is not a war on teachers. There are 11 million people in America that are in government that are in jobs in government taxpayer funded in education. If you were to guess how many would you say are teachers? 30%? Yeah, so that that's, yeah, that's almost correct.

You're right. So about 7 million, about 6.7 million of the 11 million are administrators. And the people like what most of our education money goes towards paper pushers, career counselors, you know, people that fill in paperwork unnecessarily. We're not even supporting the teachers on the front line. So that's the biggest problem is we have become an administrative heavy education model.

And what does that meant for our kids? Since the advent of education, as you agree, standards have gone down, literacy has gone down, math and reading has gone down. In fact, most kids in public education, I want you guys think about this in high school have not read an entire book cover to cover.

Yeah, do you guys agree with that? And I know that might look when parents hear that it's so shocking. Most kids when they are in by a junior senior in school have not read a read snippets. You guys know that they have readers, right?

You know, a chapter of this. They have not read an entire book cover to cover. Let me go to my second argument why I think it's a bad idea. I don't think it's constitutional, or in the role of government to get involved in the most intimate thing which is education. And this is why I think our view of education is wrong. You guys look at education probably because you've been taught as just Hey, get here so you can get a job. In the ideal sense, education should have got the growth of the soul. And she bought the nurturing of good citizens, which is completely different than just career preparation.

The view I have of education, which is what the founders had, which only very few people have, is that you guys should be here to read really old good books, understand ancient philosophy to become a well rounded citizen of what is good, true and beautiful. And then you could do any job once you graduate, that the hyper specialization of our education system has been dreadful. So do you have private student loan debt?

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I'd love to get your response. Constitutionally, I think we have made too many exceptions of the government should do this. The government should do that. When if we look at Article One, Section Eight of the US Constitution, it enumerates 17 things that government can do education federally is not one of them.

And it doesn't even do it well. And I think it's it's led to this bloat of federal agencies that shouldn't exist. And so finally, and I let's go back to that coal miner example.

That's a really important thing. Really good example in one way, but at the other way, we should not impose on certain communities, what values they should learn or not learn. And usually what happens is we know it's left wing ideology that then gets imposed on local Christian communities, or concern communities that might have a different view. So what what is your opinion on on all that? I think that I feel like at this point, there's so many different, I feel like there's so many different government programs that don't adhere to the Constitution, at least not in a literal sense. Like, I'm not saying they're constitutionally illegal, but I would say they are. That is definitely an argument. But I do think that there is certain educational standards that need to be upheld.

I just don't know the proper way to do that. Great. So let my suggestion is we don't have to think too deeply about it, is we already know what that looks like, which is that the states should run the education as they see fit. And the federal government should remove because we know back in the 50s, 60s or 70s, we had much higher literacy rates, much better math scores, we've gone down, we're like 26 now in education, yet we're spending $250 billion a year on the federal department of education, mostly on administrative paperwork. So I think we need to empower more families. And the final thing I'll say is that we need to have a school choice, allowing parents be able to send their daughter by the way, Florida has one of the most robust school choice programs in the country.

And it works. Because competition education is a good thing. Final point. Yeah, I know, my sister actually works at a Montessori school. And so I'm very on board with like school choice. But I think the first party governmental schools, in my opinion, should have a certain level of standard, just because I moved from Illinois to here. District 214. Yeah, yeah.

And I and I, it wasn't a perfect school districts. I had my fair share of very, very well funded. It's very well funded. Yes. And let me just kind of, you know, and then we'll go to next question. It's well funded for a reason because of very, very high taxes.

Not great. I know the area. Well, but last point is the type of top down. It can, you know, involvement you want should happen on a state level. It should happen in Tallahassee, not in Washington, DC.

Let's get DC out of our education. Thank you so much. Appreciate when a hat. Great. Thank you. Next question. disagreements if anyone's there.

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Big fan. I was gonna say, in terms of the right to abortion, I understand I'm not gonna argue against, you know, your compass cells, babies, compass cells. I want to say how I spent all day, these people are sitting outside the hospital inside the hospital, arguing that these babies should be born. And then we have the technology today to determine if the baby is going to be born with a terrible condition with Down syndrome or something, something else bad. And these people will spend so much time arguing for the baby not to be born. You know, when it is born, and these families are subject to these conditions. These people do nothing to help the baby postnatal at all. And it's like, what do they get out of making sure that these babies are born with such terrible condition? So I want to make sure I'm understanding the question.

Yeah. Are you are criticizing pro lifers for making sure that the babies are born or just just more specific, like more anti abortion more than pro life to make a mom have a baby that is going to be born in such a terrible state. And then no one, you know, these people that the pro lifers that want the baby to be born, do nothing postnatal to help to help the babies. Okay, so there's there's a couple things wrong with your statement.

The first of which, let's talk about the moral issue, which is why should a baby with Down syndrome have less human rights than you and I think Down syndrome, I think Down syndrome is a bad example. I'm talking more than you did. You did. I know I did say that's fine.

So let's back up. Let me let me say then, let's say a blood test says that a kid has a congenital heart failure. Okay, fair enough. Now, according to the New York Times, and many other studies, that's only about half true, meaning like, many people in this audience, I'm sure there's somebody here probably had a mom, that got a test that said you are going to have a congenital heart failure, it turned out not to be true. So those tests are not nearly as accurate as you might think.

Let's even pretend that they are accurate. Okay, let me grant you that premise. Why should then that human not be given equal human rights, even if they get a terminal diagnosis? No, no, they they should. I'm not arguing they shouldn't have human rights. I'm saying that if they what is the first human right? Right to live right to freedom?

I understand that. I'm saying when they when they are when the tests are more conclusive, then these, these families are, you know, they suffer, they suffer with these these children that they have that only get to live to no to 15. And they're in pain their entire life. And so that's, that's an interesting moral argument that I want to try to flush out by what standard it is okay to do something wrong that involves another suffering of another to alleviate suffering for yourself to basically outsource your suffering to somebody else saying, I'm going to eliminate you because I might have a tough time. Why is that morally okay? I'm not saying it's morally okay. It's, you know, it's your life, too.

It's your child. And no, it is a moral question. So I just want you to help me understand that. Okay.

So what do you want me to answer? I want you to help me understand why it would be morally defensible and okay to eliminate a life. If that life might make my life harder.

Well, it'd be hard on the life itself. Like, obviously, it's their decision. But you know, they might not be in a state to make that decision. And you know, everyone deserves to live. I'm not saying they shouldn't. But you know, I agree. Every human life deserves Yeah, right to be born.

No, I agree with you. But let me get to the second part of your argument, which is a criticism of the pro life movement. I do, I would encourage you to immerse yourself more into the comprehensive work that pro lifers do beyond just birth canal. It is a common talking point of a lot of people, not you, but on the left, that will say, Oh, you're just pro birth, not pro life. If you just go to a local church, and you'll ask, hey, it's not just the pro life ministry. There's family adoption ministry.

They will do they will give diaper care, daycare, the whole top, the whole, you know, nuts and bolts of actually helping a baby develop into a full human being. And so I would just kind of challenge that premise a little bit. Because it sounds as it sounds cruel. Oh, you just want the baby born.

You're not going to assist it for the rest of the life. But I think we agree. I think we both agree in human dignity, right? Yeah.

Yes. All right. Well, thank you.

I know about that. Thank you so much. Okay, have a great day. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always freedom at Charlie Kirk calm. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to Charlie kirk.com