What Makes The New Right Different?

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Joining us now is a very smart and good man, Mike Cernovich, filmmaker, author. You can check out his substack, mikecernovich.substack.com. Mike, great to see you, Mike. I just want to get your initial reaction. You're a deep thinker of what we are living through. It's unlike anything we've ever seen before. Yeah, every time I wake up, there's more news that I can't believe. It feels like a hallucination.

You're hanging out on a Sunday night, winding down a little bit with the family. You open up X and wait, Dan Bongino's deputy director of the FBI? That can't be right. Clearly, I'm on some kind of weird journey. And then no, no, it is right. Okay. So I find myself checking the news like three times, even people like you that I trust completely and fully.

Even then it's like, wait a minute, Bongino's deputy director? I better make sure that isn't a screenshot that maybe got passed around. Okay, well, I guess I guess it really is the case. So that is the mood. And the way I've been trying to describe it is there's a new self-confidence of the new right. And that is what a lot of people are struggling with, especially people of good faith. Our people can feel it and understand the energy. But if you're an interloper or someone on the outside, you would go, what are these people?

What are they really about? And we have an ideology, of course, and you talk about that often enough. What I'm interested in kind of talking about is the self-confidence that people like J.D.

Vance have. So a good example of how this is demonstrated is that the way the National Review and a lot of other so-called conservative media outlets would manipulate the narrative is they wouldn't have strong people like you, PASOBIC. They wouldn't have the big guns come on and talk directly.

They would use these pass-throughs. Oh, here's Eric Weinstein and Joe Rogan to explain Curtis Jarvin. Why don't you just talk to Curtis Jarvin? Here's Jordan Peterson to explain, Charlie, why don't you just have Charlie Kirk? Why don't you just have Jack PASOBIC?

Why don't you directly talk to them? And what they would do, the game was to make it look like the narrative was much slimmer than it was and to not have the real strong advocates put the point of views out there. And now everybody realizes just bang on X, right?

X has always been pugilistic. And now we have a vice president of the United States who, when confronted with shaming language by a neocon like Niall Ferguson, says, OK, let's just do this. Let's just let's do it.

Let's bang. Right. And I mean that in the combative fighting way, not in a different context. And everybody has the confidence to do this now because the New Right is a party of religion, philosophy, history. If you want to understand obscure historical topics, you can read about, you know, I was red pilled on the conquistadors and how that was actually far more complicated than we were taught in history.

The Spanish Civil War. I know that you and Jack talk about that a lot. So there's an intellectual component to the New Right. But there's also a we don't need your head pats. We don't need your little cookies. Right. We don't need the libs to say, oh, these people get the most good little gnome, good, good little gremlin.

Yeah, they would always do this. Oh, Charlie Kirk actually makes some good points. Shut up. Charlie Kirk makes a lot of great points.

That's why you won't have them on. And that's why you guys try to act like an intermediary between the energy of the modern Christian conservatives, the modern New Right. And everybody realizes that we just have to go direct. And also people, of course, go go very hard.

J.D. is obviously more civil than other people. So I think that's the biggest. If I had to explain it because somebody from another country was asking me, hey, what's up? And I would go, it's a new self-confidence. It's an American chauvinism. It's a little bit of swagger. What do you agree?

I totally agree. And I want to I want to zero in on one thing you say you said here, which is that our side has a philosophical depth to it that I have not seen in my 13 years of doing this. We get described by our critics as just being power politics and just caring about winning elections. But MAGA has matured in its love of philosophy, of ancient things, to wonder about really what matters, what is good, true and beautiful of the great books, the great authors and the great traditions of the West.

Speak about this, Sirno, about how the right gets caricatured as just being, you know, a bunch of guys from the back hills of Appalachia, when in reality it's the leaders that are openly talking about Aquinas, thinking about Montesquieu, Rousseau, Locke and understanding the implications of these ideas when it comes to politics. Yeah, there's always been a philosophical depth to working class people that was shrugged around. So I remember being and I grew up very humble backgrounds. You would see the road to serfdom on somebody's bookshelf, a mechanic, somebody who worked. In my case, I worked on a junkyard. It wasn't unusual to randomly see a hi-hat somewhere. And that was what we were always taught, like, oh, these people didn't go to college or they weren't fancy university people. Sure. Well, you know, a lot of us didn't have money.

Guess what? But as a lot of people from humble backgrounds, you know, the Pessobics, a lot of people from different backgrounds where your dad might be a machinist, your dad might have a different kind of factory job. My dad worked in factories. We grew up now and we have that working class common sense. We can speak every language, which is why so much effort has been made to try to intermediate because I talk like a working class person.

You know, they had to remind me, you know, Andrew reminded me before I went on to watch my language, which I should anyway, because we're on national TV and I should just watch it anyway now being a father for children. But we have that aggression. There's a tonality that we have. You have it.

There's a JD has it. And it's very much and I'm not threatening violence, obviously, but within the working class world is very much an understanding that you got to watch how you talk to people. Right. And these snobs or they think they're snobs. They always talk down to us. And we never had our own platforms, a way to respond.

Whereas if you went and do a try the small town, if you went to a small town and you talk down to people like the way these guys do, it would be a different situation. So they they try to talk down to us. Oh, Neville Chamberlain was a pacifier and he was responsible for every great evil of World War Two. And we can't be like him. And somehow the Ukraine war is just like that. Right. And JD goes, no, no, bro.

No, this isn't going to work. And that's how everyone is. And the reason that these old school neocons, these former leftists, as they call themselves, even though they showed that that was always a fake sign up thing, they can handle us. We can talk Aristotelian virtue ethics. We can talk Platonism. We can we can talk Neoplatonism. We can talk Nietzsche is and we can talk Aquinas.

We can talk about the jurisprudence and the the pass of the law. And it terrifies them because they can't. They're so philosophically glib.

I know because I would watch them and I would think you you haven't done any of the reading, but you can always tell who has or hasn't done the reading. And there's a glibness. Yeah, there's a glibness to these people. And so so, for example, I would you know, because now they're like, oh, all these guys care about power. It's like, no, actually, we care about virtue.

The conservative movement, especially the Christian conservative movement, even people who aren't necessarily Christian, but are in that Western value. No, no, it's more Aristotelian. It's virtue ethics. It's the way you lead. It's showing moral courage.

It's conducting yourself in a courageous way because chief of all virtues is courage. From Aristotle, of course, they don't have any understanding of this. And they claim they understand Hegel, even though I've read Hegel and it's a bit laughable that they haven't done that. The phenomenology of spirit. Hegel made the simple complex when good thinkers make the complex simple.

Not not not to say I'm an expert of Hegel, but there's three or four takeaways and not something worth centering your life around. I would say that the word I would use is poise. I think the New Right has a poise to itself, a very that's assured of our abilities.

It has a courage element to it, but very centered, not scattered, not distracted, but grounded and a quiet confidence. And I believe it comes from, of course, our love of philosophy, which you've articulated very well. But also what we've been through when you get through a failed color revolution that was covid woke January six, one, two, three. And all of a sudden they're mad because a bunch of federal workers get an email. I'm sorry. We went through covid woke January six. You get through that.

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