"Dad, He's in the Locker Room With Us." — Exclusive Interview with Riley Gaines

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Go to NobleGoldInvestments.com. Riley, great to see you. It is a joy to be here. What a movement really you have and your team have been able to build. And we saw the impact that you've had on November 5th. So truly a blessing to be here. Just did a bunch of meet and greets with the students, which is the most revitalizing thing. It just reminds me why we fight the fight.

So always a joy to work alongside you. Amen. And Riley, we're doing more and more on college campuses together. Talk about that.

Yeah. Well, gosh, over the past maybe two years, I've been on upwards of 80 different college campuses with Turning Point chapters. So it's, yeah, it's no joke. It's everything from, you know, your traditionally very liberal institutions like Harvard and Princeton and Cal Berkeley, but really everything in between two small private Christian schools. And so it's been awesome, especially over the past year, to see just how the reception and the willingness to engage that I have seen personally from students.

This whole idea of being a closeted conservative on a college campus, I believe, is certainly fading. And again, largely to think because of Turning Point and what you guys have been able to do. Well, and so Riley, you got thrust into this fighting for something very simple, female sports that should not have men in female sports. Like, what a concept, right?

Not complicated. Where do you think we stand on this? Because I'll be honest, we're still seeing these maddening stories.

We haven't won this battle yet. Where, can you walk through the San Jose State volleyball thing? Give us a state of the kind of women's sports situation.

Yeah, this feels very timely. Even given this week, we saw President of the Institute, like Charlie Baker, testify before the Senate. There were some pretty strong lines of questioning that we saw from Senator Hawley, Senator Kennedy, Senator Blackburn. But the state of things now, you mentioned the San Jose State University debacle that has been ongoing in the sport of women's volleyball. San Jose State, of course, a institution, a university in California, shocker, allowed a man to take a scholarship, a roster spot, a travel spot from a hardworking, deserving female athlete. It became public knowledge that this athlete was a male, and we saw universities begin to forfeit. We saw five universities do so. Utah State, University of Utah, Boise State, University of Wyoming, and University of Nevada. But I want to mention Boise State in particular because they made it to the Mountain West Conference Championship, which is outside of the NCAA tournament. It's the pinnacle of their sport. They were set to compete against San Jose State University, and they decided to prematurely end their season, forego a bid for the NCAA tournament when they decided to forfeit against San Jose State, which is incredibly commendable. These girls, they told me, they said, look, you know, we know we're accepting a loss, but it's a loss we're willing to accept on our record because we know some things matter more than victory. So while we have not won the war yet, these are certainly little wins along the way. I don't think we would have seen the same type of, well, we didn't, see.

I wasn't willing to forfeit in that way two years ago. So it speaks to, I think, the boldness, how courage begets courage, and how people have had enough. Now legislatively, why is this so difficult to even get Republican states to pass laws saying that men should not be in female sports? I think for two reasons mainly. Number one is fear. They're terrified of being called some sort of name or being looked at as being on the wrong side of history because that's what the other side does.

They'll say that this is equivalent to the civil rights movement, and if you don't accept, you know, trans people in women's spaces, it's equivalent to, you know, 60 years ago not accepting black people in white-only spaces. I mean, totally just insane conclusions that they're drawing here. But secondly, I believe it's money.

That's fairly obvious, I think, once you start to look. Governor DeWine, for example, of Ohio, of course, this is a man who has an R by his name. He ended up vetoing HB 68, the SAFE Act, which would prevent men from competing in women's sports, and it would also ban these surgical and chemical operations and treatments that children were receiving at the hands of medical professionals. But it came out later that he received $40,000 from Cincinnati Children's Hospital, which is a small price to pay, I believe. Well, you have $40,000 to sell out the butchering of kids.

Yeah, it's really sick stuff. But what we've seen, again, whether it's corporate America, whether it's our government, whether it's these academic institutions, it doesn't matter. They don't necessarily follow red or blue. They follow green, and that's been made very clear. And so I think they'll continue to go where the free market goes.

And so if we, the people, if we continue to loudly say no, enough is enough, in due time, I believe they'll be forced to listen. And it really begs the question, what is the purpose of female sports? And they cannot answer that question. Well, they can't say what a woman is, but that's a correlated type of question. Why do we have female sports in the first place? Well, that's it.

And they haven't been able to answer this question. You don't have women's sports when you allow men into them. You don't have women's prisons when you're allowing men into these prisons. Women's sororities, I know you've had on your show a few times, actually, the girls at University of Wyoming who were a part of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority. But they were promised sisterhood, and they got the brother they never wanted. But it's not a sorority at that point.

There is no such thing as a women's only space if you allow men into it. And it's the same thing with, I mean, you can ask ourselves why we have any category, right? Imagine how insane it would be if you had an 18-year-old playing with the 12 and unders. Or maybe I should just identify as 65 years old and start collecting Social Security. Sounds kind of fun.

Maybe I'll do that. And what we find is that when there's opposition to this, the people are totally against this idea of men and female sports, which is just one element of the trans agenda. And I think you all understand that there's multiple elements. One element is the child mutilation. One element is the men and female sports.

And part of men and female sports is also locker rooms, spaces. And here's what's so sick about it. When Riley was competing for the national championship, she had to, by force, undress next to a man.

Because his feelings and his perversion and his autogynephilia, which is a whole separate psychological problem, was far more important than Riley's privacy or young girls' privacy. Why are dads putting up with this? Why are parents allowing this to happen time and time again?

When are dads of this country going to stand up to these perverts and these freaks and say, no, actually, you can't do this to my daughter? There's a lot of fingers to point, right? You could point a finger at the NCAA. You could point a finger at the federal government. You could point a finger at the International Olympic Committee.

But I truthfully believe there's a finger to be pointed back at parents. I'm very fortunate. I'll say I have a dad who played professional football. He was in the NFL. He's an SEC Hall of Famer. He's maybe at one point used to be big and strong. Now he's kind of just fat.

But my dad is your traditional manly man. And I will never, ever forget. We knew we were going to be competing against this man. We found out about three weeks before the competition, but we didn't know we were going to be sharing the locker room. So the first time we became aware of this was when we were inches away from this six-foot-four man who was fully undressed, fully intact, fully exposing himself, inches away from where we were simultaneously, fully unclothed.

And I remember, of course, I just felt so violated and humiliated. And it's embarrassing. It's awkward.

It's uncomfortable. I immediately left the locker room and I called my dad. And I said, Dad, he's in the locker room with us.

And he told me, he said, Riley, you know, because they don't let fans, which are really just the parents, or spectators on the pool deck, you have to have special credentials. And so he told me, he said, you're going to come open this side door. I'm going to act like I'm your university's bus driver. And I'm going to come in there and handle that myself. To which I had to say, Dad, we already have one man in the locker room.

We don't need two. My dad absolutely would have ended up in an orange jumpsuit because I have a phenomenal dad. Because I have a dad who I'm so fortunate for both of my parents, really, I largely accredit my leadership to my parents for sure.

So I'm very blessed. This is not an exaggeration. What he's doing is a crime. It's a crime to go into another locker room and peep and look at somebody else changing. So we have laws against this, literally. Like, if a man were to all of a sudden, like, oh, there's a hidden camera looking at women changing, oh, that's wrong. But if he says he's a woman, that's progress.

To go see the exact same thing. And I know, actually, Riley came on my show and I said something. Would I say that we need to handle this the way we did in the 1950s or something? And the whole media lost their mind on it. I guess what I'm getting at, though, I think we're finally turning the corner. But I'm sure you guys agree with me that the men of this country need to not put up with this anymore, actually. And we need to defend women from this injustice. But I largely think we have to blame the feminist movement for men not speaking up in the way that I think most women now would appreciate. We've emasculated.

I say we. Again, I mean the traditional feminist movement. They've emasculated men, telling them, you know, no uterus, no opinion. This is a woman's issue.

We don't need you. And so now men, I think, are viewing this in particular as it's women who are being more adversely, it impacts all of humanity, but women and children who are more adversely affected by this. And they're looking at this as it's a woman's issue. And so they have stepped back and they said, look, you know, you made your bed, lie in it. But I will be the first person to say this will take every single one of us, old, young, white, black, gay, straight, man, woman, doesn't matter.

Forget every identity factor. It will take every single one of us to ultimately combat this movement. I mean, it's so sick.

I will say, though, I want to talk about politically, then I want to get to some questions. I think that the Democrats have given us a gift where someone who's not political looks at this and it's so deeply unpopular, where I'm sure you guys have people in your family that say, oh, come on, no, men aren't competing in female sports. Oh, they are. And by the way, Riley and I and many others during the Olympics said, hey, this guy's a dude who's boxing. And remember, all the trans people said, oh, no, it's not. Turns out, what was the conclusion of that, Riley? It turns out this is a man. Who won the gold medal, the Olympic gold medal. I'm just going to use the exact scientific verbiage that this medical report released. It was a man who has no uterus, male levels of testosterone, and quite literally, again, what the report says is just he has a micropenis. Like, how embarrassing.

And this man won gold for Algeria, I think it was Algeria, for Algeria. And what so helped me understand the psychology of a person. And I'm not picking on this woman because I'm sure she got bullied. But this woman, remember what happened in that boxing match in the Olympics? She, like, fought her best for 20 seconds, got slammed, started crying, basically forfeited, and then she went and apologized to the man, saying, I'm so sorry I ever spoke out against you. You have every right to beat the crap out of me. Where does that come from, where I'm going to thank you for beating me up and apologize for being mad about it? It's wild.

And they do this under the cloak of being progressive, indicating we are moving in the positive forward direction. Make no mistake, this is deeply regressive and utterly misogynistic. So this woman, Angela Carini is her name from, I believe, from Italy. My heart broke for her watching this fight. Yeah, she made it all of, I mean, not even one round, had to step down crying. She said she'd never been punched with force like that in her entire life. Initially took the approach of saying, hey, I think this is wrong. But within 24 hours, totally recanted, reversed course.

But where does that come from? Why did she recant? What pressure was she getting from her? I think it's because our society labels us, you fall into either one of two boxes. You are either oppressed or you are the oppressor. And we have learned, we've been told that there is nothing worse than being the oppressor.

And I believe that she was made to feel that she in some way, in some roundabout way, had oppressed, just for daring to even question out loud what we both and many people around the country, probably most people in this room knew to be true the entire time, that this was a man. It was obvious, it's obvious in the way that, of course, his physical appearance, he had been banned from world championships previously for failing the sex eligibility requirement, which was merely to just have two X chromosomes. He and the Southern men had failed, but no, they were awarded shiny gold medals for this endeavor. And President Trump has said that when the Olympics are in Los Angeles and he will be president, he's not going to allow it to happen. We're not going to allow men to win Olympic gold medals on American soil.

Not going to happen. We're not going to let that happen. We're not going to do the ceremony. America will say, sorry, we're the host of these Olympics. We're not going to do this.

You're disqualified. We're going to do IOC. Sanction us. We'll tariff you. Right? I mean, come on. We're not going to do that. And by the way, President Trump totally would.

He'd slap on like a 10 percent dude tariff or something. And by the way, that's masculine energy responding to feminine weakness. And I don't mean that in like I'm talking about feminine energy to its toxic extreme that allows things that you just allow the entire society to be run over. You need a balance of the masculine and the feminine. But at its worst, toxic femininity is that you can never stand up to disorder, that you just always must be compassion and feelings and that no matter what, you can't be disagreeable. Sit down, shut up and obey.

And I think we've all been missing that kind of strong male energy for quite some time. So Riley, let's talk more about the trans thing. And then I want to get to some questions. You go on campuses, you talk about this topic amongst other things, but the sports topic necessitates the trans topic in general, where I'm sure it's been eye opening for a lot of you. Again, we never asked for this trans topic to be like a top issue.

A lot of you are probably like me. You want to wear a dress in your living room and you're an adult? I guess that's fine. It's weird, but it's not going to be my concern. They were always framing it as if it's a live and let live issue. Instead, it's a live and let us rule over you issue. It's a live and let us be in charge of your life issue, that you must use their pronouns, you must allow them to go after your children, you must allow them to do surgery against children. Riley, I think that the American people are turning against this trans zealotry.

What do you say? Absolutely, 110%. That's been made very clear, again, by what we saw on November 5th. Even if you watched some of these debates, especially some of the Senate debates, one, I remember watching Senator Cruz against Colin Allred. Me, being very tuned in, of course, to the topic, I already knew that Colin Allred had voted four times in favor of allowing men into women's sports, but I watched him on that debate stage, of course, from the state of Texas, and he stands up there and word for word, verbatim, he was asked about this topic, and he says, I'm a Christian.

I'm a father. I don't support these ridiculous ideas. So that's what we will begin to see. We will begin to either see people slowly start to distance themselves. That's why we saw, of the four national debates that we had, notice the gender ideology movement wasn't brought up a single time. Kamala Harris never had to attest to her despicable criminal voting record and advocacy that she has done on behalf of ridding parents of their parental rights, the safeguarding of children, and, of course, what she has done to women. So you will see people start to distance themselves slowly, like AOC, removing her pronouns from her bio, or you will see people begin to double down on this insanity, which we've seen some, people like Joy Reid and Jamel Hill and, you know, those goblins on The View. But in doing that, it just shows they learn nothing from November 5th, because to your point, the American people reject absurdity. That was made very, very clear, and I agree with you, Charlie, in the sense that, truthfully, we should all be signing and sending a thank you note to Will Thomas, because he propagated this conversation that many, many Americans saw, realized they disagreed with, didn't want this to happen to their daughters, even if they were, I mean, people who call themselves lifelong liberals, people who are a part of the LGBTQ community in some form or fashion, they reject this as well.

And so, only to really be used for our advantage, but I believe it's up to us to hold our leaders' feet to the fire, make sure they do what they say they're going to do, because if we don't, if the people here in this room, if we don't, then who in the world will? And let's just talk for a second here, and then I want to get some audience questions. The children aspect. I don't think America would be as fired up about this topic if it was just adult-centric. I think there are some moral challenges, because actually you're, this is why it's not just children, because Riley's situation was adults, these were all people over the age of 18, so we can't allow the framing to be an only minor-centric framing, which is the way that some people are trying to do our political discourse. However, it is, the most grotesque aspect of the trans agenda is what they're doing with children. We had Chloe Cole with us on the program, where she was a detransitioner, there are thousands like her, she was lied to, she was given Lupron surgery, she is a detransitioner, she'll never be able to get back to her form, she's a disfigured human being. We have these gender clinics across the country, in Houston, in California, all across California, in Illinois, in Boston, where we are the disgrace of the world on this topic, just so we are clear, we are more radical than Europe, we are the most radical on the medical mutilation of children without parental consent, we are the leader, we are the world's leader on this awful program.

Riley, what is the state of that butchery? Well, about 25 states have passed some sort of law that ultimately prevents this from happening to minors and criminalizes the actions that doctors are taking to pursue this, which, it's having some difficulty being enforced, even look at what's happening in Texas, where a couple of whistleblowers have come forward and said, hey, our Texas Children's Hospital is still performing these. So about half the states have taken actions to prohibit this, at least in some capacity, but what needs to happen is the passage of federal legislation to prevent this.

And I'll second that. Beyond the legislation, which we need to get Congress, day one, this is one of my little pet portfolio projects, I got like six or seven of them, like pardons for J-6ers, you know, Ross all bricked out of prison, and then this is like one of my six things I care about, which is, as soon as possible, day one, day ten, I don't care, but very quickly, DOJ needs to launch criminal investigations into every single gender affirming care clinic across the country. We need the DOJ to release all charges against Dr. Ethan Heim from the Houston Children's Hospital, who was under indictment for blowing the whistle. We need federal whistleblower protections at HHS that have all of the data of how many kids are actually being butchered. We need criminal investigations into the insurance companies that are fraudulently doing reimbursements for surgeons that are doing this against state law. And then finally, and then most critically, is that the federal government needs to use its civil division to go find all these detransitioners and go after the companies and the hospitals that have done this and help in any way possible, Solicitor General, Cosign, Amicus Brief, whatever, to go class action lawsuits to bankrupt anybody that is associated with the butchery of children. We need to make it, we need to take a page out of the playbook of the tobacco companies of how we went after them and do the exact same thing with gender mutilation.

Be like, this is too expensive, too risky, I might go to jail, I'm not touching it. We need to make it so toxic that a surgeon would never think to touch a child again in this country. And then, I think Bobby Kennedy will be able to do this at HHS, if you are prescribing Lupron, which, by the way, is a chemical castration agent that was labeled so extreme that rapists in prison are not even allowed to take Lupron anymore. The ACLU sued N1 saying that Lupron was too extreme for a rapist in jail because it literally just castrates your entire body. We give that to 12-year-olds now, without parental consent, with a 30-minute meeting with a psychiatrist. 30-minute meeting, you can get Lupron. 30-minute meeting, oh, I think you're this, whatever, you know, so on and so forth. When you're 12, we don't allow tattoos, we don't allow voting, we don't allow you to drive a car or own a gun when you're 12, but we allow you to do disfiguration and irreversible damage.

It goes against everything that we know to be true. And so the Trump administration can do a lot in this space that I will be personally pushing for. Let's do some questions, Daisy.

Let's do as many as possible. And you guys just have at least the preview for your new documentary. Identity Crisis, that's right.

The Daily Wire will be streaming, and I think it will be on X on January 10th for free streaming for about three days before it goes to Daily Wire Plus. But there are some remarkable, and I say that word, of course not meaning these are great things happening, but remarkable from the standpoint of totally mind-blowing stories from girls, from boys, from medical providers, from whistleblowers, from across the board about this movement, the harm that it's having, the severity of it, the trajectory of it, and what we can do to stop it. So again, that's Identity Crisis on X on January 10th. And part of the hope, and I talked to Ben Shapiro about this yesterday, is we want to build so much consensus that this new Trump administration will see this video, will see this movie, and act upon it in the first couple of weeks. The question is, and thank you, what were the Democrats thinking when they pushed this issue and thinking that we would just roll over?

Riley, you go first. Well, to answer pretty frankly, they weren't thinking. But I believe COVID kind of set the precedent. I believe COVID almost expedited this movement, being on a college campus during all of this, during the COVID pandemic, what that looked like for us, and then kind of the introduction of this movement.

I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of, I think that's when the tentacles of the establishment, whether again that be academia, what have you, whatever that may be, corporate America, the media, even seemingly our spiritual leaders, unfortunately, I believe that's when they realized that they could control us. They realized, look, we're telling these people what to do, and they're doing it. We're telling these people what to think, how to act, we're telling them that this vaccine is mandatory, and they're getting it. They don't have any basis, they don't have any knowledge, it's proven itself, at least at this point, to be ineffective, under research, and they're still going through with what we're telling them to do.

There are no limits here. So I believe COVID was almost like this social experiment that the American people failed, and from that they learned we are sheep, truthfully. And I will say, the Democrats are, at least the portion of their coalition that believe in the trans agenda, this is ideologically driven. They believe in this with religious fervor. Riley will agree, there is no joking about the trans movement for their firm believers. And it goes to a postmodernist worldview that I am whoever I want to be, that nature is not as it's inherited, is that we can kind of make our own being our own man, we are God, and there is not a God above us.

And it is incredibly treacherous when you start to go down that line of thinking. And so when I go to these college campuses, I ask the fundamental question, you guys have seen the videos, it's been viewed a lot, what is a woman? They can't answer that question. And they'll say, well a woman is something that identifies as a woman. Of course that's circular reasoning, right? It's like saying a camera is something that looks like a camera. But they can't give an objective definition because they don't believe in objectivity. They believe in subjectivity. They believe that you can be whatever you want to be whenever you want to be it, and if you want to be it, it's fine, and who am I to judge? And we all know where that leads, moral confusion, chaos, disorder.

Yes, yes ma'am? My name is Lily and I'm from Idaho and my question is, why do people want to be trans? Yeah, that's a great question. So, not everyone who is trans actually wants to be, but some people who are trans do want to be, and that actually needs to be said, that it is a social contagion for a lot of young people. Okay, I could spend a lot of time on this.

I'll do the best I can in a short period of time. Transgenderism is a symptom. It is not a root cause.

Transgenderism, especially with young people, is almost always, there's almost never been a documented case that has been aware of from Dr. Miriam Grossman to Dr. Jordan Peterson that have looked at the scientific literature without other underlying issues such as depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, generalized anxiety disorder, so on and so forth. So, for example, if I told you I have a fever and you're a clinician, that tells you nothing. That is a symptom. It could be that my appendix burst. It could be that I have COVID. It could be that I have the flu. It could be that I had food poisoning.

You could spike a fever for 500 different reasons. So we can't get down to the root cause. Transgenderism is an expression of an undiagnosed root cause.

It could be trauma. It could be the most common thing that's happening because 75% of all people that transition are female, 75%. This is a dominant female issue. The biggest issue is what? Puberty anxiety.

That's it. It's puberty anxiety. It's people that do not feel comfortable in their own bodies that are either bullied, tormented, do not have a strong father figure in their life. Vast majority of young women who transition do not have a strong father figure in their life, and they're looking for social confirmation status, and where do they go? They go to social media, of which there are lots of cliques and lots of communities that are built to try and groom and find the young women that are currently experiencing puberty anxiety and bring them through a system, oh, you feel like this? This is why.

Maybe you're actually a boy. And then, without any sort of underlying diagnosis, what is a clinician trained to do in the gender-affirming care? Well, it's in the title. They affirm. Who goes to the doctor to be affirmed? No one.

You go to the doctor to get better. Not to be affirmed. They say, you know, are you sure you're actually a boy? Maybe let's just wait a little bit. The way that this used to work, and it worked, was called watchful waiting. Oh, you say you're a boy?

Let's wait a year before we actually put you on any drugs. And almost 99% of all the cases clear up. And we see this in school district after school district that when there's two trans girls, there's soon as eight trans girls, and then there's 16 trans girls and 32 trans girls. It grows like a social contagion. And young ladies fall prey to this because young ladies are far more likely to be part of themselves, be part of groups, be part of groups of which there are a social-type aspect to feel as if you are fit in. Because young women, as they are built in the natural design, are far less likely to be disagreeable and want to be more agreeable in friend groups and communities. And therefore, they're more willing to conform to whatever the zeitgeist or the spirit of the times is.

So a lot of these young ladies feel pressured into the trans thing because they think it's who they actually are. And that is why it's so evil what we are doing. It's not just that we're pushing them into something that could be reversed to mindset. We are then aiding it with a physical issue.

And I'll close with this particular portion on this. Transgenderism is not a body problem. It is a brain problem. And we treat it as a body problem when it is a brain problem. And the way that you fix a brain problem is not with surgery. It is with the most simple thing. It's called cognitive behavioral therapy, CBT. You talk to somebody over a period of time and find out what's going on.

And you listen. And then by the time they're 18 or 19, they still think that they're a man in a woman's body that is a separate issue. It is rare that exists. That's not what's going on here. Instead, we have people that temporarily feel as if something that they are not. We swoop in with irreversible drugs, and this is the kicker. They become a pharmaceutical annuity for the rest of their life.

They represent millions of dollars by the time they're 19. For the rest of their life, they have to be on antidepressants. They have to be on Xanax. They have to be on anti-nausea medication.

They have to have all sorts of different types of drugs to just get back to even because of the butchery that they had to endure. Okay, next question. Good afternoon.

My name is Nathan Griffin. My question has to do with both NIL and the portal from the last few years. I have strong opinions on this. Well, from the last few years, you know how both of those have gone down, how NIL has been used. I've experienced it firsthand as well.

I was wondering on both of those, how the NIL, as you said, Riley, from how the money and how it's used with all the stuff that you're combating, I was wondering how you might see NIL play into that and both with the fear tactic there. As well as with the portal, with people being able to jump place to place however they want, whenever they want and for whatever reason they want. And I was wondering how that might play into holding people into like this prison of having to accept these things. Thank you.

Yeah, that's right. Well, the NCAA has proven its uselessness, really. Again, I can say this, but I think it's important again, I can say this from personal experience. Being a college athlete during the time of the rise, really, of NIL, in my senior year at University of Kentucky, which historically, University of Kentucky has a dominant men's basketball program, I watched my university put millions of dollars in the hands of 17-year-old boys.

So what do you think happens? We're watching these boys drive around campus and cars that cost $200,000, $300,000, and really what we were witnessing in real time is financial irresponsibility. Our university gave each of us for having a 2.0 GPA or higher. So basically, as long as you're not failing, every single athlete on campus got $6,500 a semester.

Again, just for literally possessing a 2.0 GPA, that's just totally ridiculous. And so I think I very much take the mindset of the whole NIL transfer portal stuff, of Nick Saban, who, of course, is a total legend. It's ruined the game. It really has. It's taken the amateur out of amateur sports. We're fortunate enough, again, I was fortunate enough to receive a full-ride scholarship. My education was paid for. So I think there's a conversation to be had about how we prevent those people at the top, like the NCAA, from profiting off athletes in the way that they have been historically.

But I believe putting millions of dollars in the hands of 18-year-old boys is deeply irresponsible and will cause major problems. We gotta stay on schedule. Give it up for Riley Gaines one more time, everybody. Thank you all. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.