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My name is Robert Carl Ekman. Now from back there nobody can hear you so can you guys all talk really loud? Can everybody hear me? Can you hear me?

Okay because literally I was just a few months few back and nobody could hear anything. Why did you say it was BS if you couldn't hear me? Well I got I was I was right there when I heard you saying it. Well I was right there when I heard you saying it.

A little bit a little bit further I'm sorry a little bit further back I couldn't hear you but I got a little closer. Okay so what did I say that was BS exactly? Because you're comparing you're comparing adultery to which is a conscious immoral decision and Trump is an adulterer that's 100% and it is immoral. It's proven 100% gay people do not choose to be gay. I never said that but you choose to act on the impulse.

Why wouldn't you? That's your that's who you are. Okay but what if someone says I just chose to cheat on my wife it's who I am. I just chose to gamble the house away I'm a gambler it's just who I am. I just hold on I just chose to rob the bank it's who I am. What's the difference? You're talking about sexuality it's like I can't choose I'm heterosexual I can't I have no choice.

Got it. I like women. Let's play this out does a pedophile choose to act on their impulse to have sex with kids? How dare you compare a gay people to pedophiles? They're not pedophiles. I never said that I'm asking a question. And first of all and first of all pedophiles does not necessarily mean that they that that it that they're doing something wrong. Okay if you're talking about sexual predators that's not that's different.

I'm asking a series of questions okay of whether or not behavior and impulse are two different things. So you can have a lot of impulses acting on them is far more important and so he asked a question of what my religion teaches. My personal religion believes that marriage is between man and one woman as God designed and God made male and female.

And you and you speak for God I suppose. Look marriage equality okay they want to limit marriage who says who died and made you king that you could say it's between a marriage woman. I say it's about two people who love each other give me a sec hold on a sec don't interrupt me. I say it's but it's between it's our our way is an expansive way we include everybody because everybody can get married you can get married you don't have to be gay you don't have to get gay married. Can an adult marry a nine-year-old? Oh oh god yes or no give me a break no no it can't that's a stupid argument.

Can an adult marry a nine-year-old? Love is love right? No no not because I said love is love. No it's between two consenting adults. Got it so just want to make sure we're clear on the definition can you calm down a little bit though you're coming out really really hard.

I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry. So again I don't speak for God I read what God has told us in his scriptures. And what and which what there's a lot of scriptures. Well first of all in Leviticus 18 it says a man shall not lie with another man as he does a woman. In Genesis 1 God created man and woman and created man for a woman and woman for man. In Matthew is repeated by Christ our Lord that says that a man will leave his father and clean to his wife and so the marriage is a biblical idea.

You don't have to recite the whole thing it doesn't matter because that's your religion. I know religion has nothing to do with marriage equality it's about equality it's about you marry who you love because the state the state it's it's separation of powers the state hold on let me talk. But you're not addressing what he asked he said why do I believe it because I believe the scriptures are divinely inspired that's it. Okay so you want to make legislation because we haven't even got into legislation yet but I am curious though where do you get your morality from what book what author where do you decide what is right or wrong I the bible how about you where do you get your morality from?

My belief in the supreme being my I have a spiritual path that I've been on and I've been on it for decades. So where does it show that murder is wrong? It just we just know it instinctively that it's wrong. Why is it wrong? We just know it's instinctively the Nazis believe murder was right why were they wrong? I don't need I don't need your book to tell me it's wrong I just need morality based on all scripture based on based on human decency based.

But what scripture yeah what book are you referencing? If you look at all scripture from all religions but no the Quran Buddhism Quran they all say that murder is wrong they all say adultery is wrong. In the Quran it says it's okay to murder in the name of Allah. So are you advocating for murder?

No actually. What are you advocating for? I'm not I I I just want to I'm trying to get to some common ground here and understand where you're coming from. Does anybody out there believe that murder is old is is good because it's in because it was in those older scriptures? Yes I mean the the the the general and here's what I'm getting at if you do not have a an objective standard that is written and agreed upon then who is to say that murder theft adultery these things are wrong?

It's not naturally built into us is it? Look you could be totally atheist and know they are wrong it's just instinctive human nature because hold on the supreme being is in all of us right now he or god or the supreme being or the intelligent design or whatever you want to call it is in vibrating through every single human being in the here and on planet earth and we just know that murder is wrong all too plus it's illegal and why you don't want to be murdered I don't want to be murdered so but if that's the case why is it that in Mao's China it was okay to kill 40 million people? They're wrong what do you want me to say?

I'm saying you you're going in circles you're wrong by what standard? The standard is murder is wrong everybody knows it just from being instinctual. It's actually not why why does it have to be in your bible for example if everybody knows it why is it okay that we have 1.5 million abortions every year? Okay that is a woman's choice to choose that is a life form in her body she can choose yes I look I get it I get it I am pro-life but I am pro-life but the woman it's her body it's her life form that's between her and god and her family and doctors. You think murder should be illegal why shouldn't murder be illegal in the womb? You can't no because who says that it's murder no it's a baby in the womb wait it's a wait hold on no you just said it's a baby in the womb therefore terminating it would be murder? Look I agree with the premise that that it is a human life in the form of development and if you let nature take it to us it will come out as a as a baby and be a human being but that doesn't that doesn't make the state if you want to promote don't have abortions then you go out use your voice you make speeches you build coalitions and you and you do it but you keep the government has to stay neutral the government cannot invade the privacy and you know what the worst thing about it is is the red state the red states that do it they torture people they torture women by not by not letting them get medical care. Should the government remain neutral on a mother being allowed to murder her two-year-old? Yes once once it's outside yes.

Wait no I said remain neutral. No of course not of course not because it's outside the womb. You got to explain to me what is the moral difference what is the moral difference between a baby in the womb and outside the womb why does the baby why does the baby get moral worth once it gets out of the womb? I look I agree with you it's a I agree with the premise it is a life form growing in there but then why shouldn't it be illegal if we have murder laws for babies outside the womb we should have murder laws for baby inside the womb. It doesn't work it doesn't work. What do you mean it doesn't work? Because women have to make the choice. Hold on do murder laws work for for kindergartners?

It can be some restrictions up to a certain number of weeks okay maybe 15 maybe 20 weeks I agree with that but until until okay obviously partial birth abortion I don't agree with that. What happens when the power's out? Your phone says no service and the grid is down. Do you have a backup plan? If you don't have a satellite phone from sat123.com you're risking more than just missed calls. A satellite phone from sat123.com keeps you connected no matter what you can be miles from civilization or in the middle of a natural disaster this phone works when everything else fails.

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Hold on you say the baby's not alive if not you he did but again it's okay the point is that here's the issue with abortion it's the only issue where we have a different moral framework that doesn't apply to every other part of life so you say everyone knows murder is wrong yet we can't agree that we should not murder the unborn through government laws so if our if our government laws prohibit the ability to go into a school and shoot a kid shouldn't the government laws prohibit the ability to kill the kid when it's still in utero not when it comes to reproductive rights uh and and i i get it i get it now when they when they when they abort the baby okay the it's it's it's bad it's it's suffering for the fetus possibly but wait a minute what about like i don't know what i don't know what the answer is the answer is to make it illegal the same way we've made murder illegal and slavery illegal because laws are a reflection of morality this is hurt this is the life why can't you just leave it up to women to make those moral choices because it's her life because we would not we would not leave it up to women to be able to murder their two-year-old because the state has a role to protect those that can't protect themselves that is the fundamental reason we have government right i agree i still don't think i still think the women the woman has to make those choices and and i would not be opposed to legislation that made it very clear but what you can't do is is limit limit health care all right we'll get abortion is not health care final final question oh it's not then the women aren't one woman is dead final question do you think that abortion should be legal if you find out your kid has down syndrome if if they have down syndrome they stay it depends what the doctor says if they're not going to survive they know they should not abort no i'm saying they shouldn't abort they shouldn't abort it just because it has that because there's down syndrome no okay well it's currently legal to do that in america should it be legal to terminate a baby if you find out you're having a girl but you want a boy no we have moral agreement on that then because that's currently also legal in america the debate over reproductive rights we can have it and we can have a federal law that that we can all agree on whether it's a 15 week or 20 week or now what do you what do you what do you see it as zero about abolish all abortion yeah so as soon as the baby is it's conceived when it's just a little when it's just an egg by the way you keep on calling it a baby which i appreciate because since you keep calling it a baby it means that you are murdering the baby and and so and again i i just want to i know george wants to get in here which is that we call it a baby shower for a reason not a fetus shower when a pregnant woman is unfortunately killed in a homicide it's a double homicide because we recognize that as a life and yet with an abortion it's just a clump of cells we are morally confused on this topic and we should make abortion illegal in every circumstance thank you very much we'll get to the next question thank you yep thank you what about i want to talk about trump yeah no thanks we're good get off the mic get off the mic thank you so you don't care about his gross immorality i mean look i would imagine hold on hold on so you're voting for kamala harris absolutely what is kamala harris's what is her greatest accomplishment she's a normal person with with normal with normal ideas but she she's done all kinds she's done great things so so name can you name one accomplishment name one thing hey signs and chips yeah all the legislation the chips act infrastructure bill yeah um so so her greatest accomplishment is is what exactly get off she said she's had some good accomplishments they they passed some great legislation um trump was in office for the first two years full co-control he made fun of it roads and bridges were crumbling he was making fun of infrastructure with with uh with infrastructure week he was making fun of it infrastructure week two years and he did nothing and he ballooned the deficit yeah so if kamala was such a great president and she's gonna do all these things good legislation why again so if she was gonna fix the economy fix the border why hasn't she done it already well the economy's the economy's doing great we had we had a stock oh it is oh come on record record stock market give me a break record stock market record job growth record jobs manufacturing up wages up here the summit is lying to you they are lying to you how many of you guys can afford a home right now nobody how many of you guys can afford groceries oh that was happening before her that was that's been like that for decades how many how many illegals have as kamala allowed into the country illegal immigration is not the number one issue hit the number one issue the number one issue is child care health care no no i want a number i want you to guess how many illegals has she allowed into america i know it's millions but they had a border no how many i don't know the number i know it's tens of millions what 10 million people okay greater than 20 us states how many children are missing in sex slavery right now because of her it's not specifically because of her you are standing 320 000 kids are missing right now because of her do you know that well i thought you said the number one issue is child care you care about kids because of her there are 320 000 missing kids right now in sex slavery in this country that is not all her fault and i didn't i didn't do a deep dive i didn't do a deep dive to find out whether or not she's responsible for all that all you know she's a normal person from middle class she's smart and trump is having trump trump thinks that uh hannibal lector is a great and wonderful man which uh which mcdonald's did she work at who gives a whether she worked at mcdonald's or not all i know is trump he sat there for two hours while they went out what are you doing the capital's under attack did you go to the dining room or did you go to the situation room he went to the dining room sat there for two hours while they were attacking the canada capital he put mike pence his vice president direct mortal danger at 2 24 p.m when he when he planbasted him for not uh breaking the law all right nobody seems to care about that huh thank here's your hat thank you we're good thank you everybody no institution works harder to give young people the best education in america than my favorite college hillsdale college for 180 years now hillsdale's mission has been to develop the minds and improve the hearts of its students and today in just 30 seconds you can learn what that means by watching a short video at charlieforhillsdale.com since 1844 hillsdale is focused on learning character and faith and providing just the kind of education needed to preserve liberty and they extend their mission 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see is the great society act that was passed where they're giving welfare to single moms so to me that is a the only point that i've been thinking about it last night the only point is the government stepped in and now we have 13 percent committing to 50 we have a whole entire thing that happened because the government stepped in and did a system program to cause that have you ever seen a mother in need to feed her children yep it's tough yeah yeah would you step in and help yeah i think it's up to the churches to help out not the government so question if you're if you have a wife and you have kids i do have a wife and a kid so god forbid something happens to you well and you're not involved in a church but your neighbors know that your wife needs to feed her children yeah are you going to be upset with the government stepping in to feed the children's belly no but what i'm saying is is that the government stepped in now you have over 70 born out of wedlock yeah and you have a huge problem it's more culture than it is that so the other thing that has changed is black culture over the last 50 60 years has changed a lot from what it elevates and what it platforms to the musicians to the cultural figures where and this is not my work just check out thomas soul wrote an entire book on this you know thomas soul it's phenomenal literature i heard you talk about it yeah so i would encourage you to look at that but you're right and but the only thing i'll say is this though is that it's it it definitely played an impact in what you're talking about huge impact but it wasn't only that black mothers received it is that it helped destroy the white family you're saying culture i understand what you're saying yeah because it was the single motherhood program that you're talking about affected all races it'd be one thing if it was only for black women does that make sense yeah that would be systemic bingo got it wasn't but you're right it did have a serious impact on incentivizing and subsidizing single motherhood but culture is the number one driver okay thank you one more question also just to add on to that i think the government should always step in to help a family out right the church should do it as well but i don't care what religion what race what position you place yourself in if you see a family in need and you do not extend your hand you're evil to me and so like as long as that family's being fed there's no reason why we should be debating if this child should be fed if we're giving billions of dollars to someone else do you get what i'm saying here yeah but when it comes to feet there's no starving kids in america people are taking advantage no there's not people are taking advantage of the welfare state they keep applying for jobs they're not getting beautiful let the government help them let the church guide them all right let the church bring them to a foundation of christ that's what their job is do you want separation a church estate that's it help anybody in need regardless of where they come from what they look as god and have the church go show them who christ is so they can live a godly life one last question one last question sbrs silencers and automatic firearms should it be legal i think it should be legal you don't have to pay a tax stamp to get it silencers absolutely sbrs yes automatic means it should be a special license but legal so it's still it's a 200 attack stamp they do the same exact background check when you buy a regular firearm wire it's just a little it's a little bit more extensive if that's the case then then i stand corrected but um there is a technical difference between what an automatic weapon is in a semi-automatic you know that um so i'd have to think more deeply about that cool god bless have a good day guys have a good one bro thank you all right disagreements guys can work up yeah there's no way you're wearing a beanie right now in this heat my god i know i know that's a sacrifice for the drift come on what's your name i got one my name is diego uh i just want to start off by saying jesus king jesus is lord amen amen i would say that i grew up uh in the religion and then just recently i found my faith so um i've been starting like uh you know read my bible and everything like that and in high school i think i was basically just spewing everything i heard on tucker carlson and fox news um and then i wanted to base my politics off of my morals and my morals from the bible so um through that i kind of came to a lot of the same things that like you say and you say the only thing that i have a gripe with is uh your position on israel palestine i think that uh uh yeah that's only the fourth question on that today are you catholic yeah i'm catholic yeah only the and i love catholics but it's it's a it's because we just we don't agree on replacement theology that's why at the same time like i see you condemn our uh especially like kamal harris is uh that's one of your big talking points it's like you condemn her spending on ukraine um and yet we've spent like a hundred billion more on israel than any other like uh egyptian country there i mean not egyptian in the middle east and i think that uh i think the only reason why we truly or at least our politicians like truly give money there is not for the reasons they say and that's my biggest gripe is like it's not on in my opinion it's not on a moral standpoint we're not taking the moral good we're taking the strategic good maybe because they're our ally but i just i'm tired of the lies and i'm tired of being fed from lies from both so i just want to understand uh because i feel like you're more well read and christianity so i want to understand how you came to the that position on israel and palestine yeah so well first of all i'd be careful calling it palestine because that's that's not a country it doesn't exist right so that's number one um but that's fine we're not going to agree on that maybe we will but we have different theologies so i'm not going to go too deep in that we believe and i don't speak for george that israel has a place in god's plan that the recreation of israel was prophesied and that this is part of god's plan we don't have to agree with that uh in traditional catholic theology they believe that the the christian church replaced israel in god's plan right so that's just where we disagree on that but but as far as this how do you know the bible is true there's faith faith also but there's some like there's some archaeological evidence in like the shot of turin for sure like that so i'm more than that but where is that usually oh that's in like like the middle east israel yeah so when i went to israel and i encourage you to go it's not a perfect country i'm not a defender of their government but to be able to go to capernaum the sea of galilee to be able to go see where our christ our lord rose from the dead to see the pool of co m it changed my life and access to these holy sites and access to these archaeological um points is is profoundly important for the survival of the west because without them you and i are not allowed to go visit for example a lot of christian holy sites in muslim countries so the one city that i'm sure you would want to visit and i would want to visit is bethlehem right the birthplace of christ our lord it's very hard for christians to visit there because it's like 98 muslim now and very very dangerous and so the the trouble is in modern israel right now we can visit our holy sites we can prove that the bible is true if it was controlled by hamas or the palestinian authority i don't think we have any such guarantees to me it just seems like uh a lot of our original arguments like kind of drop in almost like a protection of israel and i've seen like you say in some other things like that in the bible it says like uh those who stand by israel genesis 12 3 correct yeah um so but i just believe that like our pro-life argument as conservative christians shouldn't end in the womb i think that um we should it should obviously extend and uh like child care obviously like adoption and stuff like that that should be a little bit easier but also like pro-life of everyone right and so um i think i've seen like a stat recently where it's like more children have died in palestine than anywhere else in the last five years um i okay uh i mean i think i like i would i would i would do more research into it but just from what i've seen like just on a surface level it just it's it's the visceral reaction i can't get behind funding uh netanyahu's like war machine basically and giving him weapons on weapons especially i also think it's just a little bit contradictory that you never speak on kamala harris's funding of israel but you condemn her funding it's not i just explained it to you right because israel is where it has a direct connection to our faith in the western tradition ukraine has no such 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set but that's not all they're extending their 60-day money back guarantee until march 1st 2025 plus on all orders 75 are more go to my pillow.com and enter promo code kirk all right what's up hey how's it going um i read uh about 75 of your book um right wing revolution that you gave out last month about last night uh i'm a marxist actually uh yeah i know i know hold on no what's your name that's more important than whether you're marxist my name is harman what my name is harman harman okay yeah no i know a little silly well give it up for him for coming up to the mic that that's that's good i yeah so i for most of my life was a conservative until about uh three years ago um and i would say i agree with a lot of the things you have to say in your book a lot of the problems that we're facing i think you are 100 correct when you say the world is going crazy right now but i absolutely disagree with why it's happening i think the problem has to it deals with fundamental inconsistencies within the capitalist system right so you talk about how the traditional marriage the traditional family is dying right and i would say one of the reasons why is because when a woman doesn't go to work to take care of her family so a mother right there's no surplus value that can be exchanged for that where in a capitalist system it's much better for gdp it's much better for growth if she works a job gives money to a daycare to take care of her kid for her right and then there's surplus value that can be that is a smart point you're right oh thank you i i again should you want to keep going or yeah no no you can keep going you you are you are pinpointing one of the two fatal flaws in the modern market system yeah which is that if you if you overly worship markets and you do not prioritize what is good true and beautiful which i think you and i both agree we want strong families yeah which is not a marxist belief but that's okay i'm not i'm not pinpointing you on that i'm just saying traditional marxism is the obliteration of the family religion private property and that's not my words that's marx's own words but i'm not i'm not describing it everything ever wrote okay but you can have a marxist critique of systems yeah and it is correct there are two things that we as market believers have to reconcile that are the most difficult number one which is if you are trying to maximize output why would you not put moms in the workplace exactly which is not a great thing for kids and not a great thing for culture number two if profit is always good what happens if a pharmaceutical company wants to keep you sick for the rest of your life and not heal you those are two of the most difficult questions we as free market people have to reconcile with yeah so i i'm agreeing with you oh yeah thank you i'm glad we can agree um so then i would say the fundamental issues with capitalism with the fact that worker productivity since 1980 has gone up 65 percent but worker compensation has only gone up about 20 percent that 40 difference in my opinion is we're become the less you are compensated for your labor if you're not compensated anything you're a slave and you're compensated 100 for your labor you're an owner so i think that 40 discrepancy is the extent to which we have become more slave-like right and i think there aren't there isn't really anyone on the on democratic side or the republican side who are really addressing these inherent issues with capitalism yeah so i will that's not totally true i i know you might not be a fan of his but jd vance has done a good job of this he just said we won't word it the same way that you would and believe it or not ela elizabeth warren wrote an amazing book uh 20 years ago called the two-income trap yeah which is what you're talking about which is in 1985 in order for a family of four to be able to survive it required 36 weeks of labor a year so that means any anything over 36 weeks you could save money go on vacations or whatever there's 52 weeks a year right now now it requires 57 weeks of labor a year to sustain a family of four which means the mom has to go into the workforce that's a bad thing now i would argue though it's less about quote-unquote capitalism it might be a little bit of that because there's always externalities and it's more about how we've flooded the zone with cheap money and excess government spending and inflated asset prices over the last 10 years things are so expensive that it demands and warrants more and more people to go into the workforce and then i would ask alternatively as a marxist what system would you then propose so um this is art so one of the things that i've kind of struggled with is marx only wrote about 50 pages of what it looks like the day after the revolution right which is what i think one of the biggest like real criticisms you can have of marx right but i think it's usually a mess after the revolution but i think just because um i don't necessarily have that much better of a system like i do think what norway does right they have um worker-owned companies right so imagine you and we have those two we have publics for example we have co-ops there's a yeah but we don't do it nearly to the extent that these other countries think about it if you if you guys get stock options at a publicly traded company that's a worker-owned company right yeah but like um you don't have a vote in it it's not democratic like in these other countries you can literally vote who you want your boss to be right and i think that's also one of the other fundamental issues with capitalism is that in many ways it's a dictatorship right you don't really have a say with who your boss is going to be or how he decides to make decisions whereas like with worker co-ops you're right yeah i mean there's no objection there i guess the question i have is this and then is do you think that free markets have done a good job or a bad job of increasing the standard of living for humanity the last hundred years i think it's complicated because you look at certain things like uh fdr right um the new deal right what do you think was the highest tax bracket for the top earners in the united states it was like 70 percent yeah it was like 80 to 90 percent actually and then that even continued into the 50s right so i think capitalism right when there's great wealth that can be created because i do think capitalism is the most efficient system for creating stuff now i don't know if that stuff is necessarily good i don't really uh agree with how the supply chain works right um it's great at creating stuff and we can distribute it i find very little to disagree with you but what i do what i will is that marxism is a really bad idea and so meaning you're critiquing systems very very well but the solution of saying which again i'm not going to try to put words in your mouth but saying we want to mass redistribute redistribution of wealth restrict private property those are really really bad ideas well i would say um people who have tried to have ideas of um hyper privatization of property like i read hernando de soto's um the mystery of capital right and he talks about how liberalized property rights are what makes uh countries work right he tried those um he tried those policies in peru and they didn't work right whereas i would see when you give people like um when you have the government give military members loans for houses right and you try to increase people owning things and create an ownership class i agree but that's not a marxist idea that's okay marxism does not believe in private property at its core and that's okay i just i don't think you've read your marks because mark says private property so there's between private property and personal property right he said anything you find in a peasant's village is their own personal property that's interesting i've never heard that distinction can i ask one question though it's not gotcha because it's important in in the state of nature do you think human beings are naturally good bad or neutral i think um good bad and neutral don't exist outside of humanity right so like i i saw a video of uh this owl raising a clutch of her children right it was uh like a fun little live stream video one of her children died she ripped it apart and fed it to other children right i think that's pretty brutal but i don't think i can say that's good or evil because they're animals right our entire concepts of what is good and what is evil is culturally defined yeah i don't i don't believe that i think there's objective good or evil for example i think murder is wrong regardless of your circumstance but but morality doesn't apply to animals because they don't have reason right yeah but i would say like even uh you know jesus not jesus well i guess god and jesus are the same person he's ordered the death of infants before right first samuel verse 15 he says kill of amma the amicalites it's a rival tribe yeah that's yeah actually earlier than samuel it's in it's in the book of exodus well it's first samuel verse 15 no you're right but that they're repeating the law of the amount that's okay i'm not trying to quiz you on bible trivia sorry but like um right you can uh i'm not going to say whether that was a good or a bad thing right but i would say your morality of how we decide whether that was good or bad is culturally defined it's the personal beliefs that you have and i think every christian every religious person can say that those beliefs come to them from outside themselves they're not reasonable right you would say like um believe i agree they do come outside of yourself no that i do agree that's correct believing someone came but but we believe that those those are eternally applicable regardless right so it's a transcendent order that in every tribe every person that it could it remains to be right or wrong in god's economy so would you say it was wrong for god to order the death of infants no but we we don't we we can't understand god's purposes or ways when it comes to life or death we cannot well then i would say i can agree with that i um i then i would say putting that morality into politics then into policy is wrong if you don't even say you understand it then how could you put it well no because we do we do understand god's rules for us we don't understand how god operates when it comes to light there's a lot of mystery when it comes to god a lot but there's very little mystery of what god wants out of us well but when you're a kid do you have a good relationship with your dad uh no my father's dad unfortunately i'm sorry about that what about your mother uh a lie but estranged i i did not come from the best circumstances well i apologize no it's fine and i pray that you have an amazing family and that god makes it very for thank you appreciate it um but when you have a child and he's looking at you and he doesn't know and understand the realms of the world and he sees this bright light but it's fire and he wants to run up to it and touch it now the dad steps in and goes no the baby can't understand but if it obeys its father it would lead itself away from danger and this is how we see it as christians we don't ask god why we have no authority to ask god why just like i don't look at my father and ask him if he says jump i say how high that classifies me as a good son so there's a lot of things we don't understand that's why he says he'll give you peace above your understanding because we don't even know how to comprehend it so i think there's value in a life lived that way but when you have a god who has said kill these infants kill these unarmed women kill these unarmed children and you say our job is to obey this god that again you can't rationally prove he exists it's a personal spiritual experience for you to say that god exists i think that that's going too far i think we should always be asking the highest questions the most critical of the the beliefs that govern us right especially when it comes to violence i have an interesting question your belief if everybody believed what you believed would the world be a better place or if everyone believed that there was a god who judged them and believed the ten commandments which of those would create a better world yeah so um i personally yeah so i personally believe in like uh like post-structural like personally i think my beliefs in my beliefs i think most people would be incredibly unhappy right no well thank that that's incredibly intellectually honest yeah yeah and like um but don't you agree that therefore what you might believe would create a lot of chaos in the world yeah so then uh i had to with myself come to the conclusion do i want to believe what's good or do i want to believe what's true right what's good we believe that both of those things are the same yeah exactly but i disagree right so i understand yeah so like um i believe like do you guys believe in like a literalist interpretation of the flood yes so like in my opinion we actually have evidence of it but yeah well like i would say it's a little absurd in my opinion from a rat rational perspective to say that the gila monster which lives only in uh southern arizona right only lives in 100 plus temperatures right somehow crossed the land bridge from turkey so it went from turkey through china across the land bridge in the ice age and came all the way down to arizona to the only place where its fossils exist i think you're overthinking it a little bit that's okay though good i mean but again i want to get the next question you're coming at it from a good place but here's my one i post-structuralism is misery yeah i agree and but it's not true and i hope one day that i could plant a seed that that this is what i'll say is that the devil which you may or may not believe in exists to try to get you to question and deconstruct everything in a place of constant confusion and chaos and my hope for you is that you can get back into a place of order that's all yeah do you believe in a god by any chance uh no i personally don't but i'm open to it okay i just want to say i think it's crazy that we were able to agree on certain aspects of marxism i was so ready for debate and i'm super happy that you were able to do that on a marxist critique but not not an application thanks so much for listening everybody email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and god bless for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com