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That is noblegoldinvestments.com. C-section like you said you're a c-section, baby. I'm glad you lived. I'm glad you weren't aborted You know a lot of people say the like what if you were aborted and I said, I'm glad you know You didn't say that but I'm just saying a lot of people do say that and personally I would rather my mom have the ability to choose if she has a baby that is wanted over forcing to find wanted Wanting a baby is wanting a baby if I that's not a definition. That's repeating the phrase Anyways, so no because it's important to find wanted so wanting something So for example, I'm not wanted on many college campuses.

Do I have a right to show up there? Oh Wow, okay. So that's where we're going with this. No, no to find wanted You're obviously not dumb.

You're reading the Iliad. Tell me what is wanted me You want something and you go out of your way to get it, right? Okay, again, it's not a definition But the point is that why should want a mission of wanted is a very hard thing to define in this way exactly So that that this is the essence of it Why should want be correlated with moral worth if someone is not wanted should they be allowed to be murdered? It's not murder and that's what that's why we disagree. Okay, if it's a human being shouldn't think it's not a human being It's a clump of cells. Well, okay. Hold on.

Hold on guys. Hold on so I'm a clump of cells and you are a clump of cells No brain with no hold on a second. That's not correct It is true at eight weeks a heart eight weeks a heartbeat develops at ten weeks brain waves are detected DNA well before that but and they can feel pain up to 15 weeks.

However, I just want to be clear. What species is the fetus? It can be a human fetus. Yeah.

Okay. Wait, if it's a human fetus then doesn't get human rights It's not a human yet, but you said it's a human at what point human What point does it magically become a human when it can survive outside of the womb? So viability so a baby born and NICU that requires assistance from a dialysis machine or breathing machine Is that a human being it's yeah, but I thought you said it can't survive on its own outside of the womb That is a different thing. No, it's not the point is that What I said my final question But final question if I'm if a mom finds out she's having a Down syndrome baby.

Should she be allowed to terminate it? Yes, you see we have disagreement I think Down syndrome kids are a gift from the Lord and some of us happy Joyful kids that should not be cast aside and terminated just because you get a blood test that you don't like Thank you very much for your question. We obviously don't agree.

I am Poppy. I am the creator of mantis girl I'm an ex sex worker She her pronouns Anyways, I think that there's a really big issue when it comes to when it comes to keeping our kids safe, there's a lot of Predators on the internet and I don't think We as a society are doing enough to keep our kids safe. So what do you think about that? I Agree So how do so? Do you think that there's any things that we should implement in order to keep our kids safe because I don't think there's enough Well, I guess one one question I would have for you is do you think that? graphic Transgender curriculum should be taught to kids graphic transgender curriculum. I think there's a big importance of teaching sexual education just so we could teach our kids what to stay away from on the internet because we are allowing our Kids onto very dangerous websites and they don't know how what to stay away from.

So yes I mean, I think we can agree on that but he's great. So do you have another question? I think that there are two I think that the system for trans people to get hormonal therapy is pretty messed up because There's a lot of people who lie their way through therapy and then they end up regretting it in the future I I can we agree and have common ground maybe that minors should not be able to receive those drugs Don't speak for poppy I disagree I think don't don't don't poo poppy. I think therapy should be more Open because we're because people are encouraged to lie both from the transgender community and from the health care system Can we agree that they're going kids the therapy though that involves drugs or surgery should be reserved to adults. I think hormonal blockers Should be legal no matter what?

Hormonal therapy. It's a I think it's much more debatable Okay. Yeah our my position is that we should not give children something when they might be in a phase that could be irreversibly damaging to them and they If a kid is in a certain phase, especially a young lady Because 75% of all trans youth that receive hormonal therapy are young women that we should probably say Hey, this is more of a brain issue than a body issue and let's try to do counseling Let's try to do cognitive behavioral therapy not try to say that we're gonna butcher you irreversibly Therapy needs to be much more accessible. Okay, terrible. We agree. Okay.

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Thank you. So for there's Disparities and education there's disparities in income There's disparities and how people were raised and those are because of systems that Americans have put into place through policy And then I think we need to be future or focusing on the future of America Rather than going back in time where oppression was even more rampant than it is today. We still have a lot to fix But I just don't see how we can go back and say that it was a perfect America when obviously it wasn't No one says it's perfect. But let me ask you a question. So we have a disparity Yes, sir. Is there any other explanation other than racism that might explain disparities? I think there's a lot of systemic trials that Affect people every day. I think it's systemic. Yes So, okay since it's systemic. Mm-hmm. Can you point to one law that favors a white person but hurts a black person? That's the thing though, right is that it shouldn't be in the law It's not in our law, but it happens every day. But then where is it? Look around?

No, no, no Hold on. No, you're talking about a disparity. Show me a law or a system. That is But I'm giving you Here's here, you know that there's other reasons that you have disparities other than racism, okay Well, can you explain those for example whether or not you have a father around? Yes, and actually we can look at that from a racial Perspective totally.

So let's let's try to figure it out. Why is it that in 1965? 25% of black youth were raised by a single mom now. It's 70% what changed so I mean, I think Well, I mean, yeah, but what changed like what what what what law made that happen I think people being more aware of racism and stuff like I think The mother the single mother the fatherless way went down meaning like only one out of four blacks in America right now Have a dad around why is that?

There are like studies they're about African American marriage and how The family the family institution is different than the average white American family We prioritize as the white American we prioritize a nuclear family a family With a husband's a wife kids and a dog and that ideal family has been perpetrated throughout St. Or really centuries that those people are white and those people that's the picture of what an ideal American Do you think we should have more black dads around? I think that's an unfair question I don't think that's a fair question because Because what you're saying is you're saying there's a difference between of course there is there's a difference between Of course, there is there's a difference between and by the way, you know who agrees me Barack Obama Well, that's cool. I'm not I actually I was a Trump supporter in during the Obama That's great.

But look that didn't make any sense because Trump wasn't running for president Well, I was supported Obama after or I suppose supported Trump after Obama. Okay, great So let me just be clear though just that according to Brookings Institution, which is super left-wing Organization says that if you have a father around you're less likely to go to jail less likely to commit crimes We're likely to have raising wages and it's self-evidently true when you're raised by both a mom and a dad You get the blend of masculine and feminine you get the blend of discipline. No, but that's what I'm saying That's the nuclear family. No, you're right.

It's the best. It's the best standard for living but is it? Yes, show me a better one, but I'm telling don't go show me a burden of proof on you Show me a better way to raise people. I'm just saying that there are other ways like a parent what ways work better be specific Okay. Well if we're gonna do this, let me get back to my original question, which you have yet to answer No, no, no what no, but it's true.

No, but I wanted because all comes back to dads Okay. No, it does. Okay. Ask you a question Do you think that systemic racism or dads not being around it? Which one's a bigger issue in America? systemic racism absolutely, I Think I think systemic racism has more of a violent. Can I know but but but be specific How do I know when I see systemic race?

How do I get rid of it? What? But what law is systemically racist? Is there one? Um Not I get think of over the top of my head, but I thought it's in our systems. There must be a law I want to get rid of it only legal system Systems our health care our systems are the family those are institutions Is it is it legal to discriminate against someone based on their race in America? Um, it's not legal, but it happens all the time No, no, it does.

Yes. Oh, you're right white people get discriminated against every day. You're totally right Oh, no, that's not what I said. I said not what I said No You said people get discriminated against their skin color and there is active discrimination against white people in this country far more than black That is a crazy statement. Well, hold on Let me give you an example To go into college. If you're a black American your test scores are 30% lower and you get into there you want a job in? Corporate America you have a seat at the table. Are you being paid if you're in a corporate table versus black? Actually black Americans are on par if they studied the same thing that is not a job environment Here's the essence of it. I think it's so interesting you see a disparity. So you see a gap and you scream racism No, that's not what I'm doing But let me tell you let me talk I'm trying let me tell you my first famine I'm trying to examine what the disparities are effects, right? Yes. Let me finish So we take a Thomas soul view who you know, you know Thomas soul, right?

Yes, who is Thomas soul? I don't know Hold on how could you how could you even go ahead with your point? But okay It's a great book called discrimination and disparities where he argues that it is an immature view to act Wow, there's a disparity. It must be racism. There are hundreds of other contributing factors Let me give you an example if you're heard of firstborn privilege. Yes I have so firstborn privilege is that if you are the firstborn kid You're more likely to have a higher income More likely to gain wealth less likely to go to prison just because you've got more attention from your family How about this? How about coastal and river privilege ever heard this one?

I've never heard of that if you are close to a body of water It's more likely that your city is rich because you're a port of entry you have more tourists So people born in Miami or Philadelphia are actually richer than people in Topeka, Kansas Just because they're inland what I'm getting at is there are hundreds of other explanations. Absolutely more than just systemic racism Oh, I absolutely and what the biggest of which is when you have kids that are being raised without dads You're setting them up on a course for permanent failure and I agree like there's a whole array of issues but I do think racism is an issue that we need to address and shouldn't be covered on it so give me give me an example of racism in America that is macro not micro I Mean you're going you're going over the the same You said great. No. No, but tell me give me a macro example of racism that of that affects I'll be not just one person being a jerk to another give me a macro example of racism The gender wealth or no, no that's wealth gap.

That's that's a disparity. That's not racism The racism is an action not a result. You got to show me an action Red line it doesn't exist anymore. Show me an action. No, it doesn't it's illegal under five five different banking laws Hey everybody Charlie Kirk here what an unbelievable start to 2024 We had last month saving babies with pre-born by providing ultrasounds and we're doing again this year what we did last year We're gonna stand for life because remaining silent in the face of the most radically pro-death administration is not an option as sir Edmund Burke said the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing and we're not gonna do nothing Your gift of pre-born will give a girl the truth about what's happening in her body so that she can make the right choice $280 can save ten babies $28 a month can save a baby a month all year long and a $15,000 gift will provide a complete ultrasound machine that will save thousands of babies for years and years to come and will also save Moms from a lifetime of pain and regret call eight three three eight five zero two two two nine That's eight three three eight five zero triple two nine or click on the pre-born banner at Charlie Kirk calm That is Charlie Kirk calm and click on the pre-born banner also save moms from a lifetime of pain and regret I'm a donor this organization.

They're terrific. Go to Charlie Kirk calm click on the pre-born banner Show me an example right now of a racist law a racist custom a racist or show me anything macro, okay? so I I graduated from Greenville, North Carolina the Brown V Board of Education banned segregation My school was not did not complete complete the fully integrated status until like 2016 So the dragging feet of our systems like that's that's an example of it because that keeps Perpetuating these problems that sure don't only have to do with racism, but racism is a part No, okay, so I got Mac macro even said Brown V Board education got rid of segregation yes, but what I'm saying is that the actual like processes of getting rid of A long time and that is black communities and white communities resisted Integration in certain neighborhoods is that that's correct, right? Yeah, so it's not just the white person a lot of black communities Right. Well, we don't want to know what but why why would they want to do?

Why would they not? Okay, so actually let's define some common ground. I think that this is interesting Do you think that on over a hundred thirty college campuses there are things called black only dormitories?

Do you think that that is a good thing or a bad thing? I think it's hard because I think it's important for people to have let me please finish I feel like you just said segregation was wrong. No, I it is but that's not segregation black only Can I can I finish my thought can I finish can I can I finish my thought please Guys half of you are in white only sororities. Let's okay.

No, but hold on So Please finish your thought I'm just waiting. Okay. So my thought is I think it's important for people who face a present oppression to have Communities like them. I'm not saying that white people shouldn't be allowed in there or black people shouldn't be allowed That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I said. That's not what I ever said I said that people who face oppression every single day sometimes Need the community of people who are also oppressed. That's all I'm saying. Got it So what law is oppressing black people?

You've asked this for because because but so that so because because your whole your whole argument is built on a mythology Give me so give me help me. Let me be more specific. No, no more specific. What is oppressing black people?

Education family. Oh my because think about the graduation rates graduation rates are lower Because they don't have dads around you see you you cannot You're focusing on effects I'm focusing on causes and your argument is built on causes and then you go to effects So causes is racism as an action. So you have to give me examples of causes not just go to effects Yeah, because there's other explanations for effects So for example, if you were to say Charlie It's illegal for a black person to go to a gas station in the 1950s.

Your argument would have been correct So you have to give me causes you just can't go to effects and change the argument Does that make sense? Yeah, so so tell me one thing that is oppressing a black person as an effect. I Think that as a cause I'm sorry as a cause I really I I still think like education like that How so so it are black individuals given scholarships at this school.

Yes, absolutely But look, yeah more than white people. So look at graduation though, but look at graduation So why is it that graduation rates are lower for black individuals? Because dads aren't around putting pressure on the same school and unfortunately because affirmative action Unfortunately more and more black individuals are going to colleges that they're not qualified for Because the criteria is lowered for them.

And so then you get lower graduation rates. That's not racism. It's a broken system I think this is a slippery slope. No, it's not No, because this is so important because you came up and you said systemic racism and oppression I need examples of causes of those things Things are so deeply ingrained like that. How do I know it when I see it? How do I know racism when when your wife well not necessarily your wife But when someone you know turns kind of hides their purse when there's a black person there There are those tiny little or you lock the door All your mom's do it like be sober up She's calling you guys all racist is what she's doing it's actually kind of funny that I'm 18 years old and you're whatever but I but I I'm gonna try to let you off mercifully It is it is it is very basic to say racism all this but I have hard-pressed you so in life you have effects So for example, let me give you it if all of a sudden I saw a dead body and you're like dead body racism No, no, you have to show me how the cause led to that. It could be dead body racism It could be KKK lynching somebody. However, you need to go back to the cause so you say hey disparity of wealth disparity This and all that those are all effects So what I need is I need I need Individualized and metered causes that can determinately say that those effects are caused by racism Because when not you're dealing with incredibly complex systems you're dealing with hundreds of millions of people that are communicating millions of times a day with lots of different input factors and Racism is just an easy cop-out that is impossible to prove. Does that make sense? Because you can't give me a single example But there are examples then give me one I've given you so many throughout this entire thing.

Okay, we're not you've given me effects not causes But I appreciate so Let me ask you just one last question. So so kind of back to the black dormitory thing Do we agree that no human being should be discriminated against based on their race? So we should repeal affirmative action and say that we're only gonna hire people based on merit not on race.

Yes Yes, great. We can appeal affirmative action. I think that's an awesome step forward I just want to start this out I am unaffiliated But I am a Christian who believes in the right to an abortion and a lot of the things that you were talking about with her I Really had a lot of answers for that. So the reason I actually wrote this down on a notebook, of course, I was prepared So the reason why I believe The right to an abortion why just anyone if you feel that's what you need to do Then you should do it because Matthew 7 1 says do not judge or you too will be judged Although Jesus does tell us to tell people do not sin It's not our place to judge them, you know, and then another thing that I wanted to bring up This is this is crazy, but also at the time I just really want to know why you feel that abortion should be illegal Do you think murder should be illegal? Murder is illegal.

So you think it should be do you think it should be illegal? I Just feel like there's a big difference between a like a living breathing human and then a fetus that is inside of another human spot Fair enough. What is the difference? The difference is a fetus is inside of the body. You know what I'm saying?

Like it can't live on its own. Got it. So, um, Let's let's go through a couple Questions there. Why does somebody's location determine their moral worth? It doesn't but it's simply about the fact that if you feel like that's what you need to do with your body Then that's what you do because I could also well, hold on. Hold on a second If it's not your DNA, how is it your body? It is your DNA it's not it's a part of you it's going in you it's A second you buy an umbilical cord.

It is a part of one second. It's attached apart. It's attached. Hold on a second It's attached not apart Because no, it's actually not apart by definition means it remains permanent Okay, right So an attachment is something that is temporary and so it's not you are not your mom's DNA. You're not your dad's DNA You are new deoxo ribo nucleic acid. So shouldn't we say that if it's not your DNA, it's not your choice.

I Mean You could say that but I mean Really? This is I just don't understand how you can use religion to back up your point of I haven't used it once She brought up religion. I'm happy to use a non-religious line of questioning. We all agree murder is wrong We all agree that it's a human homo sapien. Do you agree that the death penalty is wrong? Well, no I'm actually in support of the death penalty because people do something that Justifies that but that's a separate issue because the baby in utero did not So what about the people who could possibly be proved innocent who have been awaiting their trip like their death sentence fair enough That's that's a good art. That's a good argument, but it's it's separate, right?

So there's been about 31 exonerations of post-team illness people that have been Exonerated the death penalty. We're talking about a baby that did nothing wrong except exist Okay in utero and there's about 1.5 million of them that just get discarded every year. So we agree murder is wrong We agree. It's a homo sapien meaning. It's a human being Therefore murder is the forcible termination of a homo sapien therefore shouldn't abortion be wrong and illegal Hey everybody Charlie Kirk here The story of my pillow is a testament of faith and transformation Mike Lindell once battling addiction found a new path when he embraced faith and began following Jesus in gratitude Mike is excited to share an exclusive offer with our listeners right now The standard my pillow is available for $14 and 88 cents the savings. That's too good to pass up There's a limit of 10 per customer So don't wait to take advantage of this amazing deal now with promo code Kirk Mike believes God gave him this idea for my pillow In a dream and it's designed with your comfort in mind the pillow holds its shape and adapts perfectly to your unique sleep position Helping keep your neck aligned for the best night's sleep and there's more take home a four-piece kitchen set for only $25 and enjoy their new mattress topper starting at $99 and 99 cents or pick up the luxurious my pillow bedsheets Starting at $49 and 98 cents visit my pillow comm or call 800 875 0 4 to 5 Use promo code Kirk to unlock huge discounts.

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I hope so. So use an ABC right Aristotelian logic Whatever you want to use using using ABC sequence for me now I feel why I believe that abortion should be legal is because of instances like rape and incest But I already know that your belief on that because you've already stated that if your daughter were to be raped at 10 years old You would make her give up the baby would be delivered and let me tell you why and so but first of all Let me try to find common ground if I say we will make Rape and incest abortions legal and get rid of all the other abortions. Would you agree with that?

Can you repeat that? I'm so sorry if I say that we will allow abortions to continue for rape and incest life for the mother But all other abortions should be illegal, which is ninety nine point four percent of the time Can we make those ninety nine percent of abortions illegal? Yeah, see I don't believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control ninety nine percent of the time it is that's all That we're debating in the country right now.

So Charlie Kirk's position is a very fringe minority People are talking about still exceptions. So we should get rid of ninety nine percent of abortions. Yes, but at the same time So you're actually not that pro-choice actually I but I am because I feel like there's no way to kind of divide the basis of like what's Birth what abortion is being used as birth control what abortion? Oh, it's totally easy actually I mean so you could tell through a DNA test if it's an incest baby You could tell if it's rape because they have to file a police report and you could tell life of the mother based on An ob-gyn analysis.

So it's a very easy then. Why have we not done that? Oh because the American people don't support it because abortion is popularly supported as a form of birth control That's why so your position is actually a very rational one and I respect you for it 99% of all abortions are done just because people want the baby gone 99% that's not Charlie Kirk's numbers. That's the Guttmacher Institute, which was funded by Planned Parenthood Okay, so you do you like feel as though like people who have are victims of rape and incest Do you think that they should be able to? So just so we can agree on the 99% then I'm gonna try to win you over on the other percent Okay, got it. So we're good on the 99 get rid of those abortions. Yeah. Okay, cool Somebody in this audience was conceived in rape.

Can you tell me who? Nah, why I thought that they're less human I Never though those words never came out. No, I know but the insinuation of allowing rape for abortion Is that they're not as human therefore, they should be murdered No, that's not the answer. It's more about the mental toll that it would take on the mother so I totally acknowledge the mental toll but Shouldn't the human being conceived in rape still get human rights? Yes, but it should be more up to the mother who has to carry the baby and who has to push it Let's play that out.

So even though the mom has to push it. Do you still have a right to terminate somebody? Do you can you take away human rights if your life's gonna get difficult to somebody else? If somebody else is making your life difficult, can you take away their human rights? No, but at the same time that's like that should that's where like the question comes in that it should be up between the person like The but why by what standard is that?

Okay, for example If I'm a single mom has two kids and all of a sudden she loses her job and one of the kids is super annoying And as a learning disability should she be able to murder that kid because it's an inconvenience to her. No, no, of course But but why is it that all of a sudden you get the you get considered a human being after birth? But before birth you're not Because after birth you can you know, you're kind of living on your own. You're not in the mother's body.

No, you're not hold on I have a six-month-old. My baby is not living on its own living on its own But it can breathe on its own hold on a second over half a million babies every year are born in NICU which require Which is a which is a prenatal assistance breathing Assistance digestive assistance. And so are they not human because they can't viability they have any viability The point is that the standard doesn't apply right? Let me ask you one more hypothetical and it's a good question Then I'll do a Christian one because you say you're Christian on that I have two ultrasounds One ultrasound is a baby that was conceived in rape. The other ultrasound is a baby conceived in a loving relationship Which one is which there's no debt like that? You're right.

There's no difference in the physical appearance of it. But the like the complete difference is the mental toll that it would take On the mother and the person who has to carry the baby for nine months. Let's be clear There's a mental toll when you have an abortion too.

So it's not as if it's a get out of free No, I completely understand. So it's a tough difficult horrible situation But shouldn't we be that the worst outcome after an evil is to just murder the being? Yeah, why punish the baby for the crime that they're in? Yeah, why punish the baby for the crime of some guy that? Raped the mother what why all of a sudden have two victims unnecessarily?

Well, okay. Let's say the mother who is raped births the baby Well, what if she hates the baby? Like what if she just cannot care for like what if the baby comes down?

She hates the baby because she got raped. Well, they're there. There are two million families right now waiting to adopt children.

Okay? So put it up for adoption. There are two million loving families that can't find kids I just find that very interesting because the adoption process is actually very difficult in america.

It is difficult We can make it easier. But again the issue is that We there is a demand of families that want the babies Okay, and my last question that you like you had started to answer but you didn't answer what you said you were going to Was why if your daughter were to be? Oh, yeah, I mean by rape. Why would you force her to have a baby? Well, first of all because we don't murder in our family. Okay, would you murder in your family? Okay, would you murder in your family? No, but at the same time i've done a little bit of research And I just wanted to let you know that the chance of a 10-year-old surviving giving birth her and her baby The full question was if is below 10 so in reality if you want your child to have a baby at 10 years old You're not pro-birth you I mean you're not pro-life you're pro-birth.

Okay again to be very clear. I said if there was no issue with the mother's health And understand this is an extreme hyper personal example that someone used and i'm happy to own it, but let's just be clear. Um Why is that example getting people so fired up? because It's easy to say that you can murder a baby if it's small and that it's just a quote-unquote a clump of cells No I think that one instance got people so fired up because the age of your daughter and just because She would survive and the baby would know my answer was that if there were no medical complications So that you don't even remember the full answer people get fired. Why is the age matter? Tell me why all of a sudden the age of the carrier matters Because that's That improves the infant mortality rate like the older you the older you are The more likely you are to be able to carry a baby to term. No, I know but The higher the infant and mother I said I said with I said with no other medical issues though But why I just i'm curious though because with age comes medical issues with birth I I said with no other medical issues though. So you have to understand the preface there. I want to understand though Maybe you can help me understand why the women of america are so Enthusiastic about the right to be able to kill pre-born babies. What what is the help me understand? It's more of just the ability to be able to do what you feel is necessary I think that's right. It's narcissism I think you're totally right. It's it is it is weaponized medical narcissism I'm in charge of the world No, i'm in charge of my body not in charge of the world of my body makes sense So even though it's not your body and it's a different body in you I'm the most important thing and that makes sense because you just you just connected the dots We have the most narcissistic female generation in history and abortion is the culmination in that Thank you for connecting the dots Thank you Thanks so much for listening everybody email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and god bless For more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com