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That's why we are here. So I want to be very clear, this is not a political topic we are about to talk about, so it really doesn't have political bearing, but people can choose to not act on a tendency. So for example, if somebody is a raging alcoholic, they can stop acting in an alcoholic way. If somebody is an adulterer and they cheat on their wife all the time, they can stop being an adulterer. So would you say that those two things are urges, or like just things you do? Well, that's an interesting question, is that if you have same-sex attraction, right, do you have the ability to not act on that attraction? Well, I mean, if it's an urge, you have the ability to not act on that. Is it compulsive is the question?
Well, nothing is compulsive, right? I mean, I'm a heterosexual, and I don't need to have sex. But you are compulsively attracted to women? Well, of course I'm attracted, but I mean, look at people in the priesthood. It's not even about sex, it's about attraction. You said same-sex attraction. No, exactly, but you don't have to act on attractions. That's true.
That's the point. So what should a person with same-sex attraction do? That's an individualized type conversation. I'm not one to tell them how to live. I'm instead saying, what does my religion say? And my religion says that same-sex attraction, acting on same-sex attraction, not having it, is a sin and is distanced from God.
But I'm not a pastor, I'm not a theologian. Every conversation individualized and different. But from a very strict moral standpoint, you asked me a question of what does my worldview dictate, and that would be that. But I also think it's wrong to act as if that particular attraction is something that you must act upon at all times, and then we must accommodate our entire society around, and that it's inextricably linked to who you are and your identity.
Okay, can I ask another question? What do you think about free market capitalism? Are you a supporter of that?
Generally a fan, but less and less so in recent years. Just because of environmental issues? No, I think that big corporations can be more dangerous than big government at times. Because of what?
Everything. They're poisoning our food, they're spying on us, they're addicting us to chemicals, they're pushing vaccines on us that kill us. How do you suppose we regulate them? That's the question, right, is that the government also sucks and big corporations suck, so what's the solution? So you'd call for like a complete governmental reform? Would you call for a stronger federal government?
Probably not. No, I think that probably empowering the little against the big through increased competition and entrepreneurialism is probably the best solution. So you're still controlling monopolies and so forth? Well, most monopolies right now are made possible thanks to the government. So for example, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, they remain vaccine manufacturers because of the government, and the government pumps tons of money into NIH funding and vaccine funding. Same could be said for the biggest food companies, they get huge agricultural subsidies, big oil companies get big oil subsidies, so the big tech companies get major treatment from the federal government and big tech contracts, so probably the best solution is empower entrepreneurs to compete against big companies.
That's probably the best solution. Okay, but how do you propose we do that? Deregulation. Deregulation? Yes, deregulation.
And how does that, so that protects small businesses? That's an interesting question, who's the one pushing the most regulation in D.C.? Big companies. Lobbyists? No, big companies. Why would big companies?
Company lobbyists? Yeah, why would a big company? Because they want deregulation, because they don't want to be able to dump whatever they want on the river. No, think about it, think about it, why would Facebook want more rules on them?
I don't know. Because their competitors can't pay the price of the regulation and they remain on the river. Okay, how about we take, for example, like a company that produces waste, you know, incredible amounts of waste, and they want to deregulize where they have to dump that, and you want to deregulize. Yeah, no, for sure, I'm probably against that, right? So you're like pro-environmental regulation and stuff like that. Well, sensible, right? I don't think we should worship the earth. I do want clean air and clean water. I think it's good that it's not China, that we have smog in our air all day.
I think that's very simple and moderate. But, no, for example, the biggest companies are the ones that, large in time, use regulation as a way to do that. They use regulation as a shield and a barrier to protect their incumbency.
So, for example, Goldman Sachs, big, huge, multi-trillion dollar bank, they're the ones that pushes Congress to want more and more regulation on the banking industry because they can afford the lobbyists and the lawyers to protect their monopolistic status. And so, therefore, what is the solution? The solution is you need to find what the big companies do not want, and you should do those things.
And so sometimes it means breaking them up, but that doesn't always work. Look at AT&T. We broke up AT&T in the 90s, and that didn't work well at all. Look at Bell. We broke up Bell about 30 years ago.
That didn't really work. So breaking companies up is not, we broke up Microsoft in the 90s. They're now the wealthiest, the most valuable company in the world. So breaking companies up doesn't always work. Instead, what does work is allowing the upstart entrepreneur to compete against the big company. That is the uniquely American way to be able to drive competition. Okay, but I still don't see, like, the point between, like, you want deregulation. How does that necessarily help a smaller company succeed?
Okay, so let me give you another example. So Dodd-Frank is a banking regulation. Dodd-Frank was passed after the financial crisis, okay? Dodd-Frank requires thousands of pages of compliance for just putting out a mortgage, okay? I'm sorry, do you think that there should be small banks? Do you think there should be, you want small banks, and you don't want, like, you want deregulation of the banking, which is what caused the financial crisis and, like, the Great Depression?
That's actually not what caused it, but let me get to the point, which is important. So the financial crisis comes, they say it was deregulation, so we have thousands of pages. So if you guys want to go buy a home, you know this, you have to sign hundreds of pieces of paper, okay?
And your parents can tell you hundreds of pieces of paper. So a small bank, let's say like the Bank of Madison, they have, like, 15 employees. So when they have to fill out pieces of paper, that is time, energy that they can't afford. J.P. Morgan is a multi-trillion dollar company. For them, extra pieces of paper is nothing. So who does regulation hurt more?
The local Bank of Madison, Wisconsin, or J.P. Morgan? But are you not cherry-picking, like, what regulation is? Like, I'm talking about environmental regulation. I've already told you, so you have a very specific narrow view of regulation. No, I'm asking you about a specific type of regulation. I've already told you on the environmental side, but let me be very clear, most regulations, you know, most regulation is paperwork, right? Sure, yeah. You should go read the National Registry.
I encourage you guys to do it. It is millions and millions of pages of unnecessary things that have to be notarized, and a lawyer has to sign it, and then it has to be a committee. And small businesses don't have the bandwidth or the money to comply with that, whereas big businesses do, right? Yeah. So how do you compete against it? Well, let's take artificial intelligence, for example, right? You have two or, which is a huge part, don't shake your head, it's a huge part of the economy. You're talking about, you're changing the subject, you keep on changing the subject and bouncing around. I'm asking you about, yeah, I'm asking you about environmental regulation, federal environmental regulation. I told you that, what about, I told you, I want to say... You're pro-federal environmental regulation.
Generally, yes, but I don't think that we should over-regulate businesses. No, I don't think we should either. I don't think we should ban fracking.
I never said that. I don't think we should ban fracking either. Well, some fracking is better.
Oh, okay, so some fracking, yeah. So we should be just a little less wealthy. Well, I mean, what is, like... And we should have a little bit less jobs. Sure, I mean, jobs are arbitrary, we can... Jobs are arbitrary? Yeah, we can make jobs in other sectors and other... Did you, like, you got me, you got your hook in me now?
That's okay. No, I'm just honestly curious, like, tell that to the people that are working... Would you, so deregulation and regulation of companies, let's take, for example, the incredible move of companies, like, out of the United States and our industry is kind of collapsing. Yeah, why are they leaving? Because it's too regulated. Okay, so you deregulate them and then they bring back child labor and... Why do you think they... No, because why do you go to such an extreme? But why do you think we export our labor to China and other countries?
Hold on a second. Well, mainly because of cost, but that's the number one... Cost, why is it cheaper to go there? First of all, the number one reason that there's a spectrum of regulation... Why would I watch Charlie Burke? There is a spectrum of... Have you watched him? Well, there's a spectrum of regulation, right? And you immediately go to, like, child labor laws and, like, waste on all of our water. That there are millions of pages of unnecessary regulation that exist. Okay, so there should be reform. Right. Okay.
Yes. I can agree if you had just said that. But if you listen, that's what I've been saying, right? You said deregulation, not reform. Right, but reform is deregulation.
Not necessarily. Okay, it's a form of deregulation. Deregulation could be a type of reform. So now we're arting semantics. Let me be clear about deregulation.
Semantics are important. Deregulation is getting rid of some of the rules. Yes. Okay. Okay. Deregulation is a good thing. So, like... Especially if you get rid of some of the rules that the biggest companies want, right?
Okay, yeah. So some of the biggest companies want their incumbency advantage. Finally, if you want to help jumpstart entrepreneurs, you have to lower the tax burden that allows them to do that.
For example, let me give you... So Kamala Harris right now wants to tax unrealized capital gains. One of the dumbest economic proposals ever. Basically, if you're over $100 million as a founder and you have a bunch of money on paper, you have to then go pay money on the unrealized tax, on the unrealized stock, getting rid of the entire founders market in this country.
You know who would love that? The big companies love that because they already have trillions of dollars of paper value, but the next Mark Zuckerberg or the next AI company, they will hate that. Okay, is Trump, like, pro deregulation and he's a people's person?
He's a corporate entity, is he not? No, when he was president, first of all, blue collar workers, people that work with their hands, actually saw their wages go up the most of any sort of workers in the country. Number two, it was easier than ever for all of you that want to own a home.
Seven million new people under the age of 30 bought homes when Donald Trump was president. Woohoo! Yeah, isn't that great? That's great. I love homes.
Yes, good. Now it is harder than ever to buy a home. When Donald Trump was president, interest rates were 2%, now they are upwards of 10%. Wasn't that also partially caused by COVID? I'm not a professional on this.
No, no, it's fine. Yes, of course it was partially COVID, but the point, a lot of it was bounced back. Donald Trump oversaw the greatest economy in American history for people our age. So yes, but ask the question of deregulation. He got rid of five regulations for every one new regulation that he put in, and a lot of it is just paperwork.
It's stuff that would drive you insane. Let me actually, so here's a good example. I'm guessing you have student loans, right? FAFSA? No, you don't have student loans?
Not yet. I'm a freshman, so. How are you paying for college? I mean, I don't have, I have, yeah, I have FAFSA. Okay, that's a student loan, right? Well, it's a grant, so I don't have to pay for it. So I'm paying for your college. Yeah, well, and when I graduate, I'll be paying, so. Got it, that's fine.
My parents are too. That's fine, okay. That's fine, I'm not insulting you, it's fine. I hope you learn a lot.
It's OPM, other people's money. Just make the dig, yeah. It's fine. But no, so when you were filling out those forms, is there ever a time where you felt a little exhaustive and it was like a little duplicative? No, the forms this year were actually really good.
They were, for me it was pretty good. Does anyone sympathize with the amount of forms you guys have to fill out? I mean, if anybody here is your supporter, they're going to be, they're going to agree with you, but yeah. Well, no, it's just a matter of like observing reality, right? Yeah, I mean, anyway.
She's mad at me this whole time, but she's, she really agrees with you. Okay, but I'll summarize this conversation. Please. I think it's, you're coming at this in good, in good spirit, is that when you increase the paperwork burden and the needless amount of committees and lawyers, regulations and accountants, it's harder for the next Elon Musk to found Tesla. It's harder for the next entrepreneur to start the next great company because he has to spend all of his time on compliance and not on wealth creation or entrepreneurial activity.
Donald Trump wants to liberate the American entrepreneur to not be bogged down by unnecessary rules, regulations and paperwork, and instead be worried about creating jobs and creating a lot of wealth. Okay. Who are you voting for? Me?
Yeah. Uh, probably Kamala. Why?
Or I'll just write somebody in, but probably Kamala. Um, it's just my views. What's your greatest accomplishment? Kamala's greatest accomplishment. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.
Can you, can you name a single accomplishment? I don't follow politics that much to be honest. I couldn't, I couldn't name, I couldn't name Trump's.
I couldn't name Trump. No, but then why Kamala? Because you just like instinctively said Kamala. Cause I'm a Democrat.
I'm a registered Democrat. But can, can, can you just help me out? Cause I, I don't, I've seen project 2025. I don't really agree with a lot of this stuff. Like what? I mean, I mean, dude, what do you want me to say?
I told you I'm not a professional on this stuff. Anything? Yeah. I mean, I'm voting for Kamala. I'm curious why. Should I not vote? I mean, I think you should vote for Trump obviously.
I don't know. Why should I vote for Trump? Well, because you'll be wealthier, happier. There won't be world war three. We'll have a border. Can you tell me why?
Yeah, absolutely. Because for four years we saw that people your age were able to own homes. Your wages went up.
We saw record. People my age. What? I'm 18.
People my 18 years old buying homes. Yes. Correct.
Yeah. A lot of people 18 actually work and don't go to college, believe it or not. I know that's hard to believe. It's not hard to believe. I have a brother who's a blue collar worker. He's an electrician.
Okay, so then you understand it. So blue collar workers saw their wages go up the most under Donald Trump. Younger voters were able to buy homes under Donald Trump.
We saw the greatest economy in American history. Donald Trump had peace across the world. We had first president isn't he's like a he just he peace with who? I mean, well, Putin did not invade Ukraine. Israel was not at war with Gaza now. It was the first president in 40 years.
But wouldn't you hold on? It was the first president policies allowed us to have one second. There's a first president in 40 years where we did not have a new war, correct? We had new wars under Clinton, new wars under Bush, new wars under Obama, new wars under Biden. But Donald Trump, we had no new wars. Why is that? I don't know.
You're the expert. Because he was a great president because we had because he we had peace treaties because it was peace through strength. The point is that we don't have to guess about the type of pressure. Are we weaker? Are we weaker with like a democratic leader? Absolutely. That's that's the argument. Well, well, think about it.
Our dollar is worth less bricks is ascendant. Putin invades Ukraine. China is well, Putin, Putin, Trump. How many pictures did Trump take with him on this is interesting.
So pictures are a bad thing. Well, why? Why is he so associated? Interesting. That's an interesting question. So under Obama, under Obama, Putin takes over Crimea. Under Biden, Putin invades eastern Ukraine, yet his buddy with Trump, he doesn't take any land of Ukraine.
Why is that? Maybe because Donald Trump used diplomacy and he was able to have Donald Vladimir Putin understand that you take a square inch of Ukraine, we will launch rockets into Moscow. Would we really do that?
I think we would have done that on Vladimir. It doesn't even matter if you think it or not. What we know is the reality is that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians did not die under Donald Trump's watch.
They did die under Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. Sure. Yeah.
That's I'm not I can't argue with that. I mean, I don't. How many American soldiers died under Trump? Very few. How many died under Biden? A lot, actually.
How many? Thirteen in one day at the Bagram withdrawal in Afghanistan. Okay. Yeah. And not to mention American hostages killed just the other day where in Gaza. In Gaza. Yeah. They were American passport holders that were American. Were they like press people?
No, they were American citizens that were at a rock concert, like a rave concert in southern Israel. We're kidnapped by Gaza. So we are on the verge of World War Three. Our dollar is worth less than ever before. It is harder than ever to buy a home.
The economy is worse for everyone in this audience than it has been in over 30 years. You can you're saying all this stuff. But again, like I came to you about environmental regulation.
For sure. But like this is no, I know. But I just want to go back to I asked you. That's fine. No, no, no, no. This is this is like led to this. I understand that I've contributed to it. No, no, no.
I just I just it's totally fine. Obviously. I asked you how what why you'd vote for Kamala. You gave an answer. Yeah. And you know. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. I mean, I will go home and do research. Come back and tell me an accomplishment. And when will you be back next? I will actually be at the Alabama Wisconsin game next Saturday.
So come find me. Yeah. Yeah.
So if you find a I'm going to go badgers. If you if you find a single accomplishment of hers, only if you say you're voting for Trump. Yeah, this young lady gets ahead. But if you find an accomplishment, come find me. All right.
Thank you so much. Appreciate the dialogue. Hi. I Well, first question, why can't marriage be allowed with two men or two women? That that question got me?
Yeah. So I mean, allowed and what it is are two different things. So again, just strictly from what marriage has always been, is the idea of two separate parts coming in a union, to be able to have hopefully a lifelong partnership, to raise kids, adopt kids or have kids, and to become better version themselves, it is the attraction of opposites. And so if you want to redefine marriage, that's fine.
That's your contention. But I take a classical view of marriage. Based on like, what is that based on what the Bible, the natural law? Is that the Bible? Well, natural law is separate than the Bible, but it's harmonic with the Bible.
That's correct. Okay. Um, because what would you say? What is the what is the what is the purpose of marriage? Marriage is like, I love you. You love me. Let's got it. So let's get together. Can a 25 year old marry an eight year old? No, why? Because that eight year old is not ready.
Like they got it. So that's not at all. So then let's let's build out your definition more than love each other. But also what what is the purpose? What is the destination of marriage? We are two adults. We love each other. Fair enough. Okay.
We love each other. End of story. And well, let's give me another thing.
And maybe I'll add to it. But is that it? Just is it about union partnership?
Friendship? What I think it's just like, let's get our taxes good. Like, you know, let's just get married.
Like, I don't think there needs to be some big, crazy, crazy. I'm not attacking you. I think marriage is holy. And by holy, I don't just mean in a religious sense. Holy means separate, meaning it should be elevated. It should be celebrated. It's something that is so above the rest. And you just think it's a it's like a tax advantage.
That's fine. Because actually, most Americans agree with you. I think marriage is something where we should stop everything like, wow, two separate parts of just made a lifelong covenant with one another to learn about the other and to grow with each other. And it's difficult.
And I think that we've lost that. I mean, I'm Jewish. And like, in Judaism, there's the like, tour, like there's like the, when you get married, the religious marriage, and then there's the government marriage, like you have to get married twice, basically. So I think what you're talking about is probably the religious marriage, like with a priest. I'm talking about governmental marriage.
I'm even talking about government. I'm just saying traditionally, our governmental marriage, again, I'm in the vast minority of opinion in the country, this has been the classical view that it's a man and a woman coming together in something sacred, and something holy or elevated. And again, that's not, I would say that's just a Christian marriage. It's not necessarily Christian. In Judaism, in traditional rabbinical Judaism, Orthodox, homosexual marriage is not recognized.
That is true. So it's not Christian. In Islam, homosexual marriage is not recognized. Okay. So it's not just Christian. Okay. So it's Abrahamic. Abrahamic. All right.
We agree. Um, why? Why do we care if there's no father? Like I, like, I grew up without a father. I feel like I'm doing fine. I'm doing great. I'm in college.
I'm in college. Like, why? Why are we so towards the father? Why? Why does he need to be there so much?
It's so just looking at try to answer my question for me. Do you think what kind of kind of is there any time and you're being very vulnerable and I appreciate that when you were growing up and maybe not where you said, I wish I had a dad around. My mom says I did wish for that once at a wishing well, but like I like I have my mom was great.
I she reported. I'm not a knock on single moms, right? But was there ever a time maybe where a more masculine figure would have been helpful?
I can't really not off the top of my head. Like what can you give me an example of when a masculine figure would be helpful in my life? A boyfriend might have broke up with you and you didn't want to talk to your mom because she just didn't get it and you wanted a strong, stable man to say you're beautiful. I think I mean, I I have if I'm if my father was like you're beautiful, I I that'd be cool. But like if my mom was also like you're beautiful, I don't really see a difference between like my mom saying it and my father saying, wow, OK, yeah, that's I don't see the world that way because there's a being a father to a daughter.
There's a very unique bond between a father and a daughter where it's you kind of you fall in love again, but not romantic love, you fall in a different type of Greek love, which is called Storge, which is a father daughter love where you have such affection for this incredible being. And your your task is to shepherd that vulnerable, innocent girl through life all the way up until the marriage aisle to kind of connect the two topics together. Right. Well, then you hand it off to another man because women are worthy of protection. So you're saying like there has to be a man in the woman's life.
The woman who can't be like, oh, no, there are exceptions, but it is a beautiful ideal. And when when that ideal falls apart. Now let's talk about the technical side in the black community. When fathers are no longer around, crime goes up, poverty goes up because you'll you'll understand this less. And a man in the audience who grew up a father will totally get this. If it's just a mom in the house, the dad should come in and discipline the 14 year old for acting like a brat. The dad comes in and he says, stop doing this.
You need to be able to outrank the 14 year old brat with another masculine figure. But don't you think that like there there's a reason that a lot of the black community isn't doesn't have a father and it's because of systemic racism. It's because like black men are more likely to be in prison.
Oh, yes. So why do people go to prison for like a lot of the time? It's because they're in poverty and they have no other way to get. So they commit crimes because there is they.
Yeah. But it's like, wait, wait. So they be. So why do they.
Why do they. So wait. If you're in poverty, we should give excuses for committing crime. Yes. Because if they have no murder, not murder, I did not say murder, I said like, I said, I'm saying like if someone is stealing something because they have no money and there's no job. Interesting. So you think most crimes are crimes of necessity in the black community?
I wouldn't. I'm not saying most. I'm not saying banging is like a crime of necessity that I've literally never said that. I'm saying you're making an argument of crimes of necessity like they're so hungry.
They can't handle it. I'm talking about like crime that has to do with like getting food, getting stuff that you need to live. Right. But we have food stamps for anyone that needs it. So that doesn't exist. We have we have subsidized housing for anyone that needs it. That doesn't exist. We have free health care for any poor person that wants to call Medicaid.
That doesn't exist. We also have welfare cash for anyone that wants this doesn't exist. So what is it they're missing that they need to go?
Sorry about that. Well, the food like a lot of food, like food stamps might not cover all of what they need. And also housing is like there's not there's not unlimited housing. A lot of people who are unhoused have to like go to shelters and then they get kicked out of shelters because there's a mandatory stay limit. So it's not right. It's not it's not a stuff thing, though, right?
It's like if you need stuff, there's also tons of charities out there that can provide assistance churches. You will not go hungry in this country. I think starve in this country. Yes, you will.
There's no way to know. We have an obesity problem, not a starvation problem in this country. What are you talking in State Street? If any one of those people went to the local Episcopalian church or Methodist church, they will get fed.
I guarantee it. If they go to a local local food shelter, they will get OK, but I'm talking OK. Housing. Well, they for housing.
So if we have Section 8 subsidized housing in this country, right, if you want to have a roof over your head, you can have a roof over your head with like thousands of rules and you can't. Yes, of course. Yes.
I mean, ideal. But the point is this. So let's just go back to the crime and necessity.
Right. So why do people commit crimes? I'm not saying why all people commit crimes. I'm saying there are people who commit crimes because they have no other choice.
Got it. I'm saying that other people that are as poor as they are in separate racial groups don't commit crimes at the same rates. For example, blacks are 13 percent of the population and they commit over 50 percent of the crimes. Why is that? Black people, I would say, not blacks.
I could say whites. You wouldn't care. So anyway. Hold on. Hold on. Right.
I can say Hispanics. You wouldn't care. So don't don't police my language. Whatever.
I'm not policing your language. I'm just saying I would say black people. Fair enough. But the insinuation is that I'm being racist. OK. That's your opinion. But so so black Americans are 13 percent of the population and commit anywhere between 50 to 56 percent of murders, crimes, carjackings.
Why is that? Well, what percentage of the white population is living in the same level of poverty? Got it. So, you know, there's twice as many white Americans in poverty as black Americans. Same percentage. But still, if you look at white Americans in poverty, they far they commit far less crimes than black Americans in poverty.
Why is that? Well, maybe it's because when you're in a store like they follow black people and they don't follow white people. What about murder?
Rural. No. But why is it that like this thing, murder, why is it that black people commit so many more murders?
Like that's not you're being followed in a store and you commit more murders. Yeah. It's just like you're making the rule or I'll get to you in a second, but it's not it's not a good argument. But let me just go back to what you said. Systemic racism. Right. So the idea of systemic is that within our laws, there are some black Americans. You're listening. What can you as a white American do that the black American cannot do?
Let's see. I could go into a store and not get followed. The police like the police could not track me down on like when I'm driving.
I'm not I'm less likely to get shot and killed while I'm driving. I there's a lot of things that I can do. So just be clear. So if you walk into a local CVS here, how would you guys be treated differently?
Well, I would probably they would probably say hello and they would probably like just walk like let me in and like not follow me. And then. So these are a lot of probabilities.
I don't believe you. But I'm talking about laws. Right. So what in the legal code of America can you as a white individual do that the black individual can't because systemic means it's in our code, right? It's like it's for example, like Jim Crow totally get it. That's systemic racism.
What is systemically your advantage? Maybe like housing codes, because I know redlining isn't a thing anymore, but there is like isn't there people who are white are more likely to be given loans because of like they have less. Like I'm not that's just the like it's back from redlining like it.
It's a lot of the same stuff. I don't I don't buy into any of that. So I just kind of you don't buy into redlining or you don't buy the redlining.
I don't buy any of that stuff. I have to say, in fact, it's the opposite loans are now given favorably to black Americans in certain cities over white Americans. OK, but so we think I believe I know redlining is I don't debate that, of course, but because of D.E.I.
and because affirmative action, there's actually a preference given. But so let's go back to fathers. Right.
OK, let's go back to. So something happened to black America since 1965. So in 1965. So you mean the war on drugs? Right.
Well, so if that's your contention, it's fine. So in order to again, in order to go to jail for the war on drugs, you have to be dealing drugs. Right. Or you have to be caught with drugs. So which is one of like the main jobs that you can have in like poverty stricken. Like if there's no jobs like you're going to do drugs, I mean, you're going to say drugs.
That's the only option. It's such a difference in worldview. You're making excuses for criminals. Yeah.
No. What an insult to poor immigrants that came to this country that didn't commit crimes and work two or three jobs and work themselves out of poverty and didn't decide to go deal coke. My father is a white immigrant from Poland and he committed crimes and he's fine now. So you go to jail. Yeah, he did. I thought there was systemic racism. I thought doesn't happen very much. I I never said white people don't go to jail.
I said they go more. And you're saying that white immigrants are fine and they don't know that far less actually. I'm glad he went to jail. They committed a crime. I think that's it's terrible. So but the at the core of it, we have a difference in worldview, right? My worldview is I'm not sympathetic to people that steal that loot and murder because that's a values problem.
And I don't like making excuses for people that do things that are obviously destructive. Secondly, we have a problem in black America. The biggest problem is not racism. It's the lack of dads. If dads are around, kids flourish.
You know who agreed with me? Barack Obama. Barack Obama used to make this a central piece of his campaign. He came to this campus back in 2012, drew like a hundred thousand person crowd and talked about how we need to rebuild the black family and put dads back. Why doesn't the Democrat Party talk about that anymore? I'm fine with having fathers. I'm not against having black dads.
For sure. I'm saying, but don't we agree? Has anyone heard that mentioned on the national scale in the last 10 years? Yeah, I mean, we've heard about like, yeah. And there's bigger issues.
No, there isn't. See, that's the issue is that this is what makes us different as a conservative. I focus on if you have family breakdown, don't worry about climate change. Don't worry about systemic racism. All that stuff is like these crazy abstractions and create family problems. The systemic racism creates family problems. If you take away black people from their families, then they're going to have broken families.
OK, so but that's interesting. How are you taking them away? Aren't they leaving? They're not staying with the women. They're impregnated. So, for example, there are 13 percent of the population is black.
Not every single person ends up in jail, obviously. And yet there's a huge child abandonment because there is a cultural expectation that is different in black America than in white America, which is it's OK to impregnate a woman and abandon her in black America. It's not based on what is what is that based on? That's a good question.
Where does it come from? It's just based on. No, I'm saying what is that like your view of black America view? It's true. I mean, don't take my word for it.
Look at Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele that have done amazing analysis on this. It's that in black culture, that is not considered to be a stigma in white upper middle class culture. For those of you that grew up in Waukesha or Libertyville or grew up in Hinsdale or grew up in Naperville, you guys all know those neighborhoods. If you impregnate a girl, a woman and you just like abandon her, that's frowned upon. That is a social stigma in upper middle class white culture. And it's not in black culture.
Hope. In fact, it's glorified by the rap culture. It is. I think I think that culture is showing what happened.
I don't think it's. I mean, do you think that the songs that are the most popular in black America are uplifting black America be better versions of themselves? I think the most popular like Nicki Minaj, Cardi B, do you think that they're like empowering people to be great? Well, I do think Cardi B and Nicki Minaj are empowering. But when you talk about like like wow, black, like let's go like Kendrick or whatever, like they're talking about their life experiences and they're saying this is what happened to me and people relate to that because that's also what happened to them. It's not saying this is the greatest thing in the entire world. Does it lift up the audience to become better?
I think so. Because it's like how because it's saying we all relate to this. We can all like this is our story. This is we can be like better than this, even though it's like I mean, there's better, there's not better. It depends on what your worldview is. But I think that rap is good because it can like nothing is bad or good. I'm saying like there's just the essence, the core of the ethos is not exactly about like quitting, drinking, quitting drugs and getting married and having children. No, it's about what you have done not about like, no, but like to be clear, like in black rap culture, is it generally glorified to go sweet sleep with a lot of women? I mean, that's your view of it.
I'm asking a question. Is it in black rap culture? I guess or no guys in black rap culture is glorify women to be able to sleep with a lot of women. I mean, I think that's one aspect.
Yeah. Okay, so let's just take that aspect because it's a luxury that people can do. And like it's one of the things that people can do and everyone can relate to, or a lot of people can relate to.
Shouldn't ideally your culture try to elevate and try to challenge the individual to virtue and goodness, not try to bring them down to the lowest parts of their... No, who is, again, I'm not saying that they are bringing them down. I'm saying that this is what they are doing and they are sharing their experiences. They're not saying this is the best thing in the entire world. They're saying this is what I have been through. Like sleeping with a lot of women.
Yeah. Or like gang violence and... I mean, a lot of people have been through gang violence because that's what's happening in their neighborhoods.
That's the only... They feel like that's the only option and you might know that that's not the only option. But when you are living in that neighborhood and you don't see any jobs, this is how your family was raising you. What other option do you have?
And once you're in it, it's really hard to get out. So got it. But systemic racism and that being a major driver of black America's failure to launch, if you will, we subsidize single motherhood in this country. So if you stay single as a single mother, you get money from the federal government and it's basically subsidized, if you will.
Sure. Can we at least agree that if the nuclear family in black America was stronger and tighter knit, that would be a good thing? In a lot of cases, yeah. But I think if the father's abusive, I would not want him there. So I think it really depends on what family you're talking about. I don't think you can generalize and say... What percentage of fathers do you think are abusive? I have no idea. I would say it's probably small, right? I don't know.
I have no idea. I have not done research on what percentage of fathers are abusive. But generally it's good when mom and dad stays around and is raising the kid. I would say if they are both healthy parents and they are both ready to have a child, it's great.
If you have a father not ready to have a child, do not want him around me. Just one last question on role models. Let's say there's a black kid right now. Would you rather have that black kid have a role model be Kendrick Lamar or Clarence Thomas?
Kendrick, obviously. So not the black American on the United States Supreme Court. No, he's trying to ban interracial marriage.
He's trying to do all... Wow. He's in an interracial marriage. He's married to a white woman.
Yeah, I know. The Roe v. Wade thing goes against him. He's trying to ban his own marriage? Yes. I thought I've heard everything.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but Roe v. Wade. Hold on. So just to be clear. And that's fine. This is the difference in worldview. We have clarity, but not agreement. You'd rather have Kendrick Lamar who sleeps around with everything that moves.
Who is a poet who won a Nobel Prize. Right. No, no. Versus Clarence Thomas who grew up in the antebellum South, who's a US Supreme Court justice, one of the smartest people ever to serve on the Supreme Court as a black American. And that's the difference is that we as conservatives think that Clarence Thomas is a far better role model for black America than just some rapper.
I think calling Kendrick some rapper is very dismissive and to all the work he's done with the black community. But, okay, that's your opinion. Yeah. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.
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