How Can Trump Beat Kamala In The Debate?

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Hello, Charlie. So there's a debate tonight, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump. And there's a lot of questions of how President Trump should approach this and kind of what tone and what issues. So I just want to first get your take on the stakes. Is this the most important debate we've seen as far as it could break you? We say that with every debate, but this one feels exceptionally important. I'm going to disappoint you and say and say no, because I don't think if either candidate does badly, the stakes or not, you have to drop out of the race, which that is what happened in the summer that Joe Biden going in his campaign apparently thought an early debate would be a good idea. And I bet some Democrats thought an early debate would be a good idea for other reasons. And it was so bad it destroyed his campaign and they literally had to slot in Kamala Harris. I don't think the stakes can be that high. I would say it's higher than the stakes in 2020, I believe. It's maybe comparable to his first debate against Hillary Clinton, maybe in 2016, where he really had to prove I can go toe to toe with a Democrat candidate, make the case for electing me.

And ultimately, that did work out for him well enough. And I think that's probably what we're looking at here. So Kamala Harris is going to approach this as a prosecutor. Is that fair to say, based on all reporting, is she confident her ability is heading into this debate? Well, she's definitely not confident.

I'm already enjoying the reporting we're seeing. MSNBC says they were citing sources that say she's being coached to remain calm if Donald Trump starts insulting her, which is a very it's it's kind of a weak thing to be reporting. She's being coached to not flip out, not melt down, not go off the handle. And we know that's a concern with Kamala, that she's not you know, that's why she needed her, you know, emotional support Tim Walz at her first interview. She's not great off the cuff. She's not really that great under pressure. She's not great unscripted.

So and like, what's the word? The most common word for Kamala Harris, if you ask independent voters is unprepared. So what they and they were asking, can we give opening statements?

Can we bring notes? Everything her campaign was doing was screaming. We are nervous about sticking this candidate in an unstructured situation where anything can happen because she might not know how to respond to that. So my guess is that the prep for Kamala is they're going to try to stuff as many preplanned statements, preplanned remarks into her. How does Trump overcome that?

How do you how do you short circuit that programing? I think this might go against what a lot of people think, but I actually a lot of people have talked about how he can get under her skin with insults or something. I don't think that's the way to go.

I think this would actually be received the wrong way. I think what you do is you really put her on the spot of the difficult juggling act of defending the Biden Harris administration record. You come in and you just say, look, if you look at the polls, people say I did all of this better. You say Kamala, you were they called you the borders are and you've let in five percent of the entire population of Haiti.

You say, wait, is that right? About about I think there's about five hundred, four hundred to five hundred thousand Haitians have been encountered at the border or been flown in under that program. We have just absorbed five percent of a country's population.

And what a country that we have absorbed it from. I mean, you could not pick a worse country than Haiti on the planet. Pretty much impossible. Yeah. So wait.

So that I have to interrupt you. But I guess first I've heard of that. President Trump should say six percent of Haiti is now here. He'll have to check the exact one. I think it's about five. Andrew says it's five point nine percent. So I saw that.

I share that tweet with him. It was five point nine. But someone says he was double counting some people. So about five percent.

You can be safe. He could say six percent and they'll have to fact check it and say four percent. That's an extraordinary number. It's a ton.

It's a ton. And you can say we're seeing things. You can imagine Trump.

We're seeing things we've never seen before. We've got, you know, burglar gangs from Chile who are looting houses here in Scottsdale and in California. I'm sure he can say that.

There's probably sources on that. He can say we have Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings in Aurora. And you can say we have locals in Springfield, Ohio, where they've put 20000 migrants who are saying they're beheading ducks in the local duck pond.

Imagine Trump saying he's like, I'm standing up. They're taking ducks. They're taking your duck pond.

I'm standing up for the people who want. But they say that's debunked, Blake. They say it's all right wing propaganda.

I think it'd be I think it'd actually be pretty workable if he goes in. Maybe be careful and just say, you've got all these people in this town who are saying this. And they're saying that they're saying, are they calling? Are they calling all the people of Springfield, Ohio, liars?

Are they saying this black guy who went to the city council meeting and said they're cutting ducks and geese's head off? Is that we have that tape, by the way? We have that tape. And he should just say that.

And if they want to go in and say that that's debunked, good luck. This is it. This is play cut 26.

Let's play cut 26 here. I think it's like kind of odd that like a guy like me has to come out from doing what I do on a daily basis to have fun because I see what's going on in the streets. And I see you guys sitting up there in comfy chairs and suits like and I'm getting out here every day and I'm broadcasting this.

And you guys are just sitting up there and suits like I really challenge you guys to get out here and do something. These patients are running into trash cans. They're running into buildings. They're running into. They're flipping cars in the middle of the street. They're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and walking off with them and eating them like we got to do something. Bro, it's kids out here getting hurt.

Like only reason I even went on here and said something about it is because somebody told me they walking from the school and a Haitian almost ran into him. So, I mean, that's an all you eat can be all you can do. Exactly. And so you can just say he's like, OK, is that guy lying? Are we are we not supposed to believe ordinary citizens who go up and testify about this? Are you only allowed to say things happen if you have a pass from The New York Times or from CNN? I think it's you know, you have to be careful how you how you finesse it, because you don't want it to just make it sound like he's saying really unhinged stuff.

But I think I think he's capable of doing that. And I think if you're putting Kamala on the spot where she has to off the cuff, try to defend her record and her administration's record, she's going to have a tough time. She's going to try to say, you know, she's definitely going to try to fear monger a lot about Trump. She'll try to say Project 2025. She'll try to say convicted felon.

And all he has to do is come out and say, look, they can you can fear monger all you want. I was president before. Was it the end of the world?

No. If you look at the polls, people say it was better. They were happier. They were richer. The country was more stable. The border was more secure.

Inflation was lower. He can say all of that. And you guys have to say Project 2025 because Project 2021 has been for a four year catastrophe for you. That's a good one. I should give credit and woken us on Twitter.

Use the Project 2021. We know what runs out, by the way. There are conspiracy theories, as they say, but we don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Smart person. And, you know, he just says it's been you guys have been a disaster and you can say you guys have inflation and all you can do is throwback and fear monger about me when I think the American people know better.

This is a race between two people who have been president me because I was literally president and you because your president is a vegetable. So they say that one third of Springfield, Ohio, is now Haitian. About I think a quarter is probably closer, but I mean, it's still insane.

It was about it. It's about fifty nine thousand people, I think, in the 2020 census and fifteen to twenty thousand Haitian migrants have been settled there in four years, four years. And the people of Springfield aren't putting up with it. But it's happening via force and decree, correct? I don't know the exact pattern. I assume it's probably a federal government relocation program.

Yeah, I haven't looked at it specifically. I assume there's some you know, there might be charities involved. There might be some sort of resettlement scheme. And then after a while, this just gets momentum that the Haitians who arrive want to go where there are other Haitians. And so they keep going to the same spot. You see this with a lot of towns across the U.S. where you'll get local communities that are all from the same spot.

Some of them really funny. You know, we've had Armenians in Glendale, California, or even just like illegals. I think thirty thousand people from Mauritania have moved here across Biden's border.

Thirty thousand people, something like that. This is literally a dumping ground of the third world. Yeah, it is.

It is total open season. And I think if Trump can drive that home, not just with general numbers, but with vivid imagery. That's why you want to talk about the duck pond. You talk about gangsters taking over this apartment and menacing people with guns. You really drive home.

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Tnusa.com slash Charlie. I will give our Twitter account credit, Blake. I think we legitimize this entire eating the duck thing. Yeah, I started seeing it and then I remember sending it to you guys. This seems like a big deal, guys. And then by Monday, we're like, is this the number one issue of the campaign?

No, it is. By the way, if you type in Charlie Kirk to Google alert news, every article says started with Charlie Kirk on Twitter. And by the way, it was end wokeness first. But we definitely did our thing where we kind of went up and it just we viral. We viralized it.

Is that a word to viralize? The press is so shoddy to they're coming out and they're like, these are false claims. Guys, you've got to be careful saying things are false. They just mean, OK, do we have a photo of a cat? Well, we have a photo of a Haitian with a dead dog. Yeah. And we have like we have accounts from people.

Like if if someone committed murder, I'm pretty sure eyewitness testimony would be considered evidence. Yeah. Yeah. That guy shot him. OK, so I want to get into let's play 59. And then I want to give you my theory.

Play cut 59. Ohio is facing a significant housing crisis as thousands of Haitian migrants have arrived on their doorstep doorstep because of the federal government. The Haitian migrant population in the city has skyrocketed to an estimated 50 to 20 thousand.

That is about one third of the city's entire population. So look, Haitians in Chile have long been eating cats. Remember, Haiti is known for cannibalism and voodoo and really weird stuff. It's not a great country. It is a bad country. It's a bad country. It's just not that it's bad people.

There's I know Haitians have met in Florida. They're fine. I've said that the entire time. Haiti is objectively not a good country. It is.

It is really bad. I think. Was it Conan O'Brien who made the shirt Haiti is already great. Well, at least five percent of Haiti just in the last four years strongly disagreed with that sentiment. I would encourage anyone who says Haiti is great.

Just Andrew has visited Haiti and people I have. They say it's unlike anywhere else in the world. It is dark. It is satanic. It is filled with bad, bad things.

It is not good. OK, so here's my theory on the debate that Kamala Harris might try the prosecutor thing, but she might do a curveball. She might do the Christine Ballsy Ford thing where she acts like she's very young and innocent and kind of tries to draw sympathy. Do you or do you think she's going to try to make herself seem bigger? How would she do that, you think? Well, like that little girl was me type moment because we've seen that in her portfolio of debate tactics before.

For example, with abortion. What if she says she had an abortion? Whoa. I don't know if she did. I'm just saying maybe that maybe she's been holding it right. It'd be interesting.

And even if it was made up, like, how do you prove otherwise? That would be the number one. And she'd be like, I got an abortion. What do you have to say about that, Mr. President? That. What do you say? I'm hypothesizing because right now the campaign is not going the best for them right now.

Why not throw that Hail Mary? That would be wild. That it would also be a plot point they stole from House of Cards. Or, yeah, or say something like I brought I brought a girl to an abortion when she had a rape and I'll never forget it or something personalized and like that little girl was me is the ballsy Ford wrinkle of her debate history. If you look at her debate history, she's a poor debater unless she goes there and she makes it personal and she makes it something she can recite.

Yes. So what I'm saying is I hope President Trump and I've told this team be ready for the curveball personal and don't discount it if it happens. Let's let's play this out, Blake. Let's say I'm Kamala Harris and I say I had an abortion. And again, I don't know if she did or not.

Who knows? How would you respond to that? Well, obviously, you can pivot back to that.

I'm a supporter of a democracy like I've made it I've made it so every every state can vote the way they want. It's a toughie, isn't it? It's a tough one. It's a tough one. I think it would be hard for her to do because the one you can always get away with that is when they say, like, I had an abortion, but that was what was best for the kids I already had or the kids I would have in the future. It wasn't the right time.

But Kamala is literally childless. I know the response could be the if. And I think the right response is President Trump to say, look, I know a lot of other people that got abortions and it's now left to the states.

And so that that's your story, like totally downplay it and just kind of dismiss it. Yeah. Or, you know, I know a lot of people who've got it. A lot of a lot of them regret it.

Some of them, some of them not so much. You can imagine something like that. Right. And yeah. And then, you know, it's left to the states. But that's a hypothetical.

I don't know if you can do that. I think that's a low likelihood. But but what I'm getting at is there is definitely a Kamala Harris sob story waiting to happen. For sure. For sure.

Right. That the Christine Ballsy Ford where she acts like, well, I was a little girl and people like you are what my mom warned us about. Something like that. I feel like she would end up screwing this up. She would say like she grew up in her favorite word with democracy and then destroying democracy. Here's the thing about debates, though, is that there's a very high there's a low cost to lying, because by the time the fact checkers get it out, it's very you know what I'm saying? She could just make something up. There's there is a limit to that, though, I think.

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R-U-F-F greens.com slash kirk. It's an interesting thought experiment. I don't want to go too far in this, but what if Trump says, I wish you would have kept the baby? Whoa. Again, this is very, this is a hypothetical. I'm just trying to, because you and I enjoy rhetoric coaching and all this. I wish, I think you would have been a great mom, Kamala. That's probably the right answer.

Mama. I'm telling you, but we brag on Trump's instincts. We're going to play, we're going to play some tape here that that would be a toughie, right? Can Trump, could Trump do the same thing the other way with a personal story? What if he, I don't know, this is so outside his wheelhouse, it probably wouldn't happen, but like, you know, if he talked about how it felt to get shot at and the way he did, especially if she came at him with the January 6th or with the attack, I think, I think if he does not mention getting shot, it's one of the great misses in modern second greatest miss of this campaign. Well, of course.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Come on. You got shot. You played up a little bit.

All right. So imagine she comes at him and she says, you know, you, you, you're a felon. You got prosecuted all this way. January 6th, you attacked our democracy. And he's just like, I'm not, I'm not attacking our democracy.

I'm a big believer in our democracy. That's why I'm running again, because I want to, I want to fix all the bad things you're doing by running for president again. And you're the guys who, because I was so successful in my first term, you didn't want to run against me. So you came up with these four separate charges.

They were all bogus. And when that didn't work, you whipped people into a frenzy until one of your psychos shot at me. And even that, I'm going to keep going. I'm going to keep going because I believe so much in what we can do for America. You know, he says his whole spiel there. Let's get into just some previous debate moments where Trump was at his best. I think you and I both agree the way he handled abortion with Hillary in 2016 was one of the best. Let's play cut 51. This is the energy that we want from President Trump.

Play 51. With what Hillary is saying in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. Now you can say that that's okay. And Hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay with me because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day.

And that's not acceptable. Your thoughts on that tone when it comes to the abortion topic, because she's going to go all in on abortion. But I think any time there is a topic that doesn't favor President Trump, let's say it's January 6 or whatever, do 10 seconds on it, then pivot to immigration or the economy.

Yeah. And I think he handled it great in his first debate with Biden, where he doesn't concede. He's not scared of it. And what would really hit a lot of Republicans, Mitt Romney, Bush before, they would be very scared of the issue. And instead, Trump has that counter-puncher energy. He can just say, you know, like, I got these great Supreme Court justices, I got this great ruling, we got rid of this bad, you know, we made it a choice of the states. And it's the Democrats who are the big radicals on that.

And I don't know, it's not going to make abortion in this cycle a winner for Republicans. You just have to go to a draw. Yeah, just got to go to a draw, just got to minimize the damage.

Within the margin of error. Yeah. And you just say, you know, and you have to bring this up because you have nothing else to run on.

You can't. That's right. I think that's right. I think you say you keep on bringing this up. And by the way, I think abortion comes up, say, here's my stance. But this every commercial you're running is about this topic because you can't run on the economy, immigration. I think even people that are pro abortion, Blake, can sympathize with the fact that there are other issues at play of this election than just abortion. Yeah, he could not have not all the voters, but he could even say, for those who are worried about it, that's on the ballot in a bunch of states. It's on the ballot in Florida. It's on the ballot in Arizona.

Go vote. How you feel about that? I think that's probably that's Trump's position.

He may as well say it that way. Vote your conscience on that one. But you guys are trying to make it the number one issue in this presidential race. When what I did is I took it out of the presidential race. You don't have to make your election just on this.

So instead, we can vote based on what you did on the border, a disaster, what you did on inflation, a disaster, what you did in Afghanistan, a disaster, so on. Let's play cut 54 here. Cut 54 is from the 2020 debate where President Trump was largely considered to not win this debate. Is that fair to say, Blake, the first one? The first one against Biden? Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

It was probably his worst head to head debate that we've seen. Let's play cut 54. Did you use the word smart? So you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn't go to Delaware State. You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. Don't ever use the word smart with me.

Don't ever use that word. So that did not rate well. Didn't work great. It was it was a few things. I think what happened that was bad was bad was we'd had all this hype. Joe Biden was really old, that he was senile. And obviously, we know he was well deep into decline at that point, but he was still good enough to stand on a debate stage. And they kind of drank too much of the Kool-Aid where they thought you can just attack him really aggressively. He interrupted a lot.

We didn't see it in that clip, but he would interrupt a bunch during that debate. And it was so easy for Biden to just sort of look exasperated and, you know, kind of like, who is this child who is on stage with me? A lot of smiling, a lot of, you know. Yeah, he would smile.

Yeah. I mean, like, almost laughing, right? I remember the one that I remember is where he just starts shaking his head. He's just like, you're the worst president in American history. Like, just it was. Kind of resigned. Yeah, it was so resigned. It was just why do we have to go through this charade of a debate? And it was very damaging to Trump, who had a lot that he could run on. He had a lot that he'd accomplished by that point. And instead, it was all of his kind of his worst impulses on the debate stage to really, you know, he could really nitpick at people's weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

But that wasn't the way to go with Biden in that debate. And he improved in the next two debates and made it a lot closer than I think it would have otherwise been. And even with that, Blake, the election was remarkably close. Insanely close. Insanely close.

When you consider everything they threw into that election, the changes. Yes. Zucker boxes. The universal mail in voting with like no signature verification, no I.D.

check, no nothing. Mass censorship on Twitter, on Facebook, on YouTube. And they just truly universal intensity that they were not going to let Donald Trump win again. And like the social revolution America was going through at that point, people were terrified. It felt like the end of the country, the end of the world.

And for all of that, it was that close. Forty two thousand ballots. Forty three thousand ballots.

Forty two thousand scraps of paper in three states. And so what does that say about either the debate or the base? I mean, there's a lot of theories as to why the polling list was that much. But it goes to show that probably if Trump does OK, he'll be in a driver's position post this debate. I think so.

Probably. Again, there's so much. We already see the narrative. And there's no sentencing.

Yeah, there's no sentencing. They have nothing else. That's why they might be more likely to try. What you suggested with Kamala is I think they were looking to that as their big opportunity. That's why to frame the race. And now the debates are kind of all they got. And right now, the narrative is shifting that Brat Summer is over. Kamala Mentum is waning. Her convention bounced polling is that big. Polling is tightening. And there's probably still a bit of that convention bounce, such as it was there.

So it might even retract further. And I think there's a real thought of what can Kamala do to really reverse this? I think everything about her was just the energy of her first getting into the race. OK, Biden's out. We have the new person. We have the memes about her. But she's not a person who generates new enthusiasm. We saw that in 2019 bursts out one debate performance. And it's just a total implosion from there.

She's not a person who recovers from setbacks. Great. No, she is a sugar high candidate.

By definition, there's a taper. Yeah. Whereas Donald Trump, he's like indestructible. He'll do a thing. And everyone's like, oh, Trump's done over now. He'll never. The walls are closing in and he bounces back.

It's like nothing ever happened. And he's very robust like that. He'll do new things that'll shake up the race and he can come back from anything that harms him. Kamala, I don't think we've seen any evidence. We've seen evidence she can survive. She'll run a tough A.G. race and eke out a win by one percent for you in California. But I don't think we've ever seen a case where Kamala is down bad and her reputation is in the dumps. And yeah, that's an interesting thing. I don't want to get too cocky for sure.

You know that I'm very careful. But I say that if she starts to get structurally down, it's she'll be it'll be very difficult for her to reverse momentum. Is that probably true at this late stage? Think of what we already know about how Kamala runs an office. When her vice presidential office starts running into trouble, she starts belittling her subordinates, firing them or driving them out. She's not a person who responds great to adversity. And we can see that with how they're planning for this debate.

Oh, can we please have everything be scripted, have everything planned in advance? I think there's a real chance that if she even feels she's down in this debate, she might start cracking up a little bit. And so don't force it. Don't overreach. Just know that if you're doing pretty well and you get her feeling a little shaky, I think opportunity will generate itself. And if this doesn't come out looking like a win, if there's any narrative at all that Kamala didn't dominate it, she'll be neurotic about this.

And it doesn't necessarily have to be that big. We also know from the press, they've reported on this, Kamala, she watches Fox News. She watches Fox and Friends, watches The Five. And she would get upset as vice president when they would say bad things about her and say she's not doing great.

So we know the room is there for Kamala to notice people not being impressed with her, thinking she flubbed this thing and it gets inside of her head. And I think. We have such a pattern here, it'll probably keep happening. Yeah. And so how does he strike the balance between being too intense and yet kind of being a pushover?

What moment comes to your memory where he was at his best? Let me play a couple of pieces of tape here. Let me play this. This is probably too intense.

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You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. Your Twitter account. Only Rosie O'Donnell. Probably too intense. It was a primary debate.

That was amazing. No, I know. But primary Trump versus general Trump are two different things. Right. True enough.

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My pillow dot com. Let me play this one here. This is President Trump with Joe Biden. Probably the right tone here. Let's go to cut fifty six at one of the implosions of Joe Biden.

Play cut fifty six. The covid, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with. Look, if we finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden. President Trump was right. He did beat Medicare. He beat it to death.

So that gentle touch, pretty good. We should not expect an implosion like that. For sure. For sure.

Never go in expecting your opponent to blow up because if it happens, you're probably not going to cause it. She almost assuredly will do OK. Yeah. She'll have she is a diligent person overall. She ran a prosecutor's office. She's able to. She's been studying this for weeks.

She stopped campaigning for about a week to prep for this. Yes. So sound familiar. Yeah. They're they're coming in red.

They'll be ready to do stuff. And I will say Kamala is a bad candidate. I think her campaign is run by smart people. They have made what I think are the correct strategic data.

Yeah. So President Trump is best on the economy, on immigration. Mike's being off advantage who? I think it's advantage Trump again.

I think so. I think he once again, they thought this would be a big advantage because they were annoyed like the left asked for this because they were annoyed at Trump interrupting so much. But I think this actually it curbs a bad habit that Trump has of maybe interrupting too much when it's not always helpful. And instead, it puts them in a position where they've had these weak empty suit candidates who are not fountains of charisma, either due to age in Biden's case or innate infirmity in Kamala's case. And it says, hey, you get two minutes.

Explain why you're hot stuff. And I think Kamala is going to struggle with that. And Trump is still a clever enough guy that even with the mics off in that little split second where, you know, they finish and it goes to him, he's ready to go with something. We saw that with the Biden clips, you know, beat it to death, that sort of stuff. He'll get his viral comments in, but he won't try to brow beat her in a way that I think would be received badly. And it would give, it would certainly give the press an excuse to say that he lost bad just using that.

And it would, I think it would leave his supporters put off a little bit. I remember the first debate in 2020, a lot of conservatives were at, you know, debate night parties and they were they were not happy with the result of it. I was talking to them. They were leaving early. They were super disappointed.

I think remember he had COVID too. I think mics off. Make your case. You have two minutes while you're right on the border. And I imagine Trump is just able to give a way better answer about that on the border, on the economy, on foreign policy, on a whole bunch of stuff. And Kamala is going to be left trying to call him a felon and say, I love abortion. Yeah.

And that was my tweet I said right now. Trump needs to be ready for a Kamala bombshell today. Is she going to say she had an abortion, that she was raped, maybe a family member? Her best and only memorable moment in 2019 was that little girl was me when she personalized the debate. Her campaign is a sinking ship. The honeymoon is over. She needs a jolt.

What does she have planned? Trump must be ready. I think outside of either President Trump using a name to outside of President Trump calling her a nasty pig or something outside of her, it's going to be a draw. These things usually go to a draw.

Yeah. Most debates, they get a lot of viewers, but they don't shift things too much. Very often the person does best in the first one, comes back in the second one. We saw that in 2012. We saw that in 2004.

We saw it in 2016, I think. I think Trump's best debates were the later two. So the final kind of component of this is how the media will present it, no matter what the media is going to say that Kamala won. For sure. For sure. There won't be a Biden moment. Yeah. Even with the Biden one, there was like a half-hearted attempt where some everyone has a bad night. Trump was actually Biden was confused because Trump was lying so much. That's what they said.

That's what took that's what took him off. The moderators that the woman from ABC, she's not a good person. She's the one from the National Association of Black Journalists.

Do you think that could be an issue? ABC is literally run by Kamala's old friend. I'm surprised this isn't brought up by the media more.

But which one's the factor? It's at Disney. She like has ABC in her portfolio. I can't remember her name, but she's old friends with the Kamala and her husband. Should President Trump call her Madam Vice President?

Yeah, I think so. Remind people she is the vice president of the United States. Vice President Harris. Just always say vice president. I wouldn't go like you're secretly the real president.

I know that's popular on the right. I think that would just sound a little too weird to want to just say you're the vice president to this disastrous admin. Final thoughts? It's going to be a big night. It's a big night. We'll be streaming right here. Of course.

Of course. It's going to be great. I'm going to be for a little bit during and after. I just love these nights.

I'm excited for all of them. You're kind of built for it, right? I want to win, Charlie. We have we have to say that we have to prevent the ducks from being slaughtered. Save the ducks. Save our pawns as an organ fan. I just think this is great.

Exactly. Enough of the duck genocide happening because of the Haitians. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.