"Am I Racist?" ft. Matt Walsh

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Am I a racist? Matt, welcome back to the program. Hey, Charlie.

Thanks for having me. Matt, introduce the movie to our audience. As soon as I saw 10 seconds of the trailer, I said, this is one of the most brilliant things I have ever seen. And it's deeper than people realize. And I will get into that. But Matt, introduce the project to our audience. Yeah, this is, you know, I made a movie called What is Woman a couple of years ago, which is our investigation of gender ideology and the gender madness gripping hold of our culture. And this is our, certainly not a sequel to that, but kind of our follow-ups. We have the same team together and we made our next, our new film, which is called Am I Racist? And we thought, you know, we tackled gender. What's the other sort of big area of cultural controversy, of course, is race. And that's what this movie deals with. But the kind of entry point that we decided we wanted to start with is the DEI slash anti-racist scam. And so the basic idea behind the film is to expose these grifters and con artists who are pushing this agenda, but doing it in a satirical way. Whereas with What is Woman, if you watch that movie, I was kind of a blank slate throughout the whole thing.

I didn't really have an opinion. So we start my journey of racial awakening, you know, my journey of anti-racism with a conversation, with questions, just like in the previous film. But this time around, I was like, okay, I'll buy it. And I'll play a version of myself that is fully bought in on this. And I'm going to let them guide me down the rabbit hole. I'll let them tell me where to go and what to do next. So that hopefully by the end of it, the audience, rather than me just telling the audience that, hey, here's why these ideas are bad, that by the end of it, they can see we're going to show them.

This is this is where it leads if you take this stuff seriously. Matt, I almost never do this, but your accomplishment with this film is worthy of it. I want to play the entire trailer. It's a two and a half minute trailer.

It's cut 41. But first, how can people watch the film? I imagine dailywire.com and get a Daily Wire membership or it's also in theaters, correct?

Right. Actually, it's in theaters. So we're we're doing a wide theatrical release. It's our first first time Daily Wire doing that.

Usually we're on the platform. This is in theaters and it's going to be out September 13th. So it's on Friday. You can buy the tickets early, which we're encouraging everyone to do.

Amiracist.com. I'm going to buy out a whole theater. So I'm not kidding that I have when I saw the brilliance of this. And we'll explain why it's so brilliant throughout, because what Matt did is he went after the unforgivable sin of modern society and then asked the question about it. Please define the unforgivable sin. What is it? Do I violate it? How does one then violate it? It is infinitely brilliant.

Play cut 41. Let's be clear what's happening in this country. It's Nazism.

Republicans are Nazis. You cannot separate yourselves from the bad white people. Growing up in the 90s, I never thought much about race.

Sure, you noticed, but never really seemed to matter that much. At least not to me. Being a white, straight, cisgender man. It's the top of the pile. I'm on the top of the pile. That's me.

Am I racist? I would really appreciate it if you left. I'm trying to learn. I'm on this journey. Can you please leave? I'm going to sort this out.

I need to go deeper undercover. If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one. What is racism? Martin Luther King said not to judge people by either. Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff. Is America inherently racist?

What the hell is that? The word inherent is challenging there. America is racist to its bones. All of the- So inherently.

Yeah. The entire system has to burn. And I'm not going to even use save this country. This country is not worth saving.

This country is a piece of shit. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Joining us now is Matt, certified DEI expert.

Here's my certification. Where are you guys on your anti-racist journeys? I'll look around the room and point to who we believe is the most racist person in the room. We want to rename the George Washington monument to the George Floyd monument. Would you mind signing it?

You will? What do you think about this issue of heteronormativity and how it intersects with the broader structures of racism in society? What's up with white people? What are you doing to de-center your whiteness? Who's making it a center? Why are they doing that? What you're doing is you're stretching out of your whiteness.

This is more for you in this field. White folks. White trash. White supremacy. White woman. White boy. White entitlement.

White centering. White silence. Is there a black person around here?

What happened? There's a black person right here. Does he not exist? Hi, Robin. Hi. And what's your name? I'm Matt. Matt. Hi, Matt. Nice to meet you. Just had to ask who you are because you have to be careful.

Never be too careful. I have watched the trailer, no exaggeration, three or four times. Matt, I have just some very simple production questions. Let's start with the end. How did you get Robin DiAngelo, the archbishop of anti-racism, to sit down with you?

You know, I cannot reveal all my methods, Charlie, but I will say that here's what I'll say a couple of things about that because I get this question a lot, as you can imagine. First thing is there's no hidden cameras. So a lot of people have seen the trailers. Well, how did you get all those cameras in the room without them noticing? Well, they knew that they were on camera. Everybody in the film agreed to be on camera. They signed waivers. At the same time, everything is real.

None of it's scripted, obviously. I think it should go without saying that Robin DiAngelo was not there wanting to play along with a Matt Walsh and Daily Wire production. I think maybe the answer to your question—well, there's two answers. Number one, we paid these grifters.

We paid them as we paid Robin DiAngelo. And I think it's the combination of the dollar signs and the eyes, which maybe got her to overlook some things that she would otherwise consider to be red flags. And then also, what I really came to understand making this movie and the last one is that these people are so insulated in their little bubbles that they're never around anyone who fundamentally disagrees with them on anything. And so it's almost like unthinkable to them that they would ever end up talking to someone who actually disagrees.

That's not part of their daily life. And there's a certain amount of there's like a false sense of security that comes with that. And there's a certain amount of arrogance that comes with it. And we were able to, I don't want to say exploit as a harsh word, but we were able to exploit it, I guess, to our benefit in this movie. Well, and so the struggle session with all of the wine moms, that was it seems as if they knew they were on camera to try to recreate such a anti-racism type of session. Is that correct? Yeah.

Yeah. They knew that there was a film crew there that was documenting one of their Race to Dinner events. And once again, everybody at the table, these are all real people.

None of it is scripted. When we decided to make this film on this topic, one of the first things I said is we got to, because I heard of the Race to Dinner years before that. I said, we got to get in the room for one of these things.

I have to see this. And my initial, all of us, our initial thought was and our preference was, well, maybe I can sit at the table. Maybe I can be a part of the Race to Dinner thing.

But it's actually really interesting because when we called them to say, we're making a documentary, we want to document this wonderful event that you guys do. We said, could we have someone sit at the table? And we were told that only women, only white women, are allowed to be at the table. Which of course, that goes back to the first movie, which is, what is a woman?

And we asked that question. We said, what if it was a trans woman or someone who identifies as non-binary? And that's when, if I remember correctly, they said something like, well, it has to be someone who was socialized as a woman.

Which was just their way of basically saying it has to be a real woman. So I couldn't sit at the table, but we did find out that they will allow and in fact welcome white men to be their servers, to be the waiters serving them at their dinner. And that was our entry point. It was just a matter of like, okay, we got to figure out a way that it just so happens that I'm the waiter for their dinner. And it took some doing, but we were able to pull it off.

Remarkable. So you go on this journey and you do this film. How long did this film take you?

It took over a year to just for the production side of it, not counting the post-production. And so you asked the question, am I a racist? Which then begs the question, can they who are constantly accusing things of being racist define what racism is? And it's similar to the what is a woman question, which are, and I want to connect those dots in a little bit, but did anyone tell you what racism actually is?

Yeah, that's interesting because we realized early on making this film that if we wanted to, we could extend the, what is a franchise, have a whole, you know, what is a cinematic universe or something? Because that actually, they can't, they, I think I was a little bit surprised by that early on that actually, I didn't, I didn't think that it'd be a trick question, but when you ask them what is racism, they have a lot of trouble defining it. But it's a little bit different, I think, from what is a woman because I think that they want, they have a definition in their head that they want to say, but they know how it sounds and they know that it can't withstand scrutiny. So they're very reluctant to say it because their actual definition is that racism is a, this isn't really even a definition, it's more of a description of some of the aspects of what they consider racism to be. But they think that racism is an inherently white construct, and that it is something that only white people can be guilty of, and that no person of, so-called person of color can ever be guilty of it. That's what they think. I mean, that's the core of their whole ideology. But, and maybe 10 years ago, they would be more open about just telling you that.

But I think at this point, they're a little shy about saying it because again, they know how it sounds. And they also know that there's just, you can't be defended. It's just total ad hoc kind of arbitrary way of defining racism to automatically, just from the outset, absolve every non-white person of every racist thing they've ever done. So right, they really can't define it in any detail. And then the other point of their conception of racism is that, as a white person, you're guilty of it inherently. And that does come up in the film, which means that you can never be not racist. Robin DiAngelo tells me you can be less racist or more racist in any given moment.

So it just fluctuates wildly from moment to moment. You can never be free of this original sin of whiteness as they see it, which means that you can give them all the money and do all the steps and read all the books. And at the end of it, you really won't be any less racist than you were before.

That's what they're telling you, which is like, so then why don't we just ignore them completely, which I think is the right move ultimately. Well, but at the core of wokeism is a rejection of Christianity, which is redemption and forgiveness, is that there is no way to to absolve yourself of your sin. There is no redemption. There is no blank slate. There is no mercy.

You must live in the sin unless you're Robin DiAngelo. Right, Matt? Then you can make a bunch of money off of it because you're an ally. Yeah. Yeah. And and I'm glad you brought that up, because that's that's another part of this that I was thinking about a lot as I was making the film, the spiritual component of it, because to me, it's not very confusing why Robin DiAngelo or cyber route runs race to dinner or why these other people, why they're doing what they do is not very not very confusing, not very interesting, really. They're making money off of it. They got power and influence.

They are lauded, at least in their own world, as moral experts and gurus. And so that's why they're doing it. Yes.

The more interesting question to me is what about when I go to race to dinner and there are a bunch of white women sitting around that table being berated for two hours, being subjected to this racial harassment as they as they sip their wine and eat whatever they ate for dinner. What are they? Why are they there? What are you getting out of this? How can you?

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Go to Oracle dot com slash Kirk Oracle dot com slash Kirk. So you have the group of white women. Why do they put themselves through it? It's almost a it's a quasi suicidal tendency, isn't it? It's a little bit of that. I think it's some of its virtue signaling.

They want to show off to their friends that they went to the race to dinner. They did the struggle sessions, but also to bring it to the spiritual side of it. I think that a lot of these people are carrying around guilt that have nothing to do with their race. But because we all are sinners and so we commit sins and we feel guilty about that, as we should. As you point out, Christianity offers redemption and atonement. It gives you something to do with that sin, something to do with that guilt, to be relieved of it.

But if you don't have religion, then you don't have that outlet. You don't have anything to do with it. So these grifters come along and say, well, I know why you're feeling guilty. It's because you're white. Here are the things you can do to atone for it. And then they do it.

And then they tell them, oh, by the way, you're still not atoned. You're just as bad as you were before. So you went on this this journey to say, am I a racist? So therefore included in the question is you must have a definition of racism, which I agree with you, Matt. They have some sort of idea of what that means, even though they'll turn an eye on racism if it's against white people, which I'm not sure if you get into that in the film. But it seems if it's perfectly fine to be nasty to people, if it's not, as long as it's towards white people, but not towards black people or Hispanic people, whatever.

But then also you ask a question of a threshold, right? Am I a racist? So by definition, at some point you must attain racist or not racist. Did you ever get a standard definition, not just of racist, but when then somebody accomplished it, not accomplished it, but becomes that that becomes such a racist? Did they ever create a spectrum to you for you? These experts of anti-racism? No, not really a spectrum. They all have different ways of, I don't think they would call it a spectrum exactly.

We talked to someone and she's not even in the film just because we shot dozens of hours of footage and we can't put it all in. But some HR type, DEI consultant type, who had an idea about stages of racism. And it was interesting because stage one was like, you deny that you're racist entirely. Stage two or phase two is you're in the Klan. So in her world, it's actually worse to deny racism than to be in the Klan.

So they all have things like that. But in terms of what makes you racist or where do you cross the threshold, there is no threshold because the threshold is whiteness. And to the extent that you participate in, quote unquote, whiteness, you're automatically racist.

And every white person is a participant of whiteness because we're white. So that's the that's the catch-22. The Moana problem.

Let's play cut 40. My daughter is four years old. I am an anti-racist educator, quote unquote. She's still watching Disney movies and she is choosing a white princess over princesses of color. Have you talked to her about that?

All of the time. My three year old daughter is very her favorite princess is Moana. Well, it's a good sign. Yeah. But then I also thought, you know, there's a little bit of cultural appropriation here. She wants to be Moana for Halloween. Mm hmm.

So how do we navigate that? Do I go and buy the Pacific Islander native attire for my white three year old? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't. But I guess what we might call the Moana problem here is is what on one hand is cultural appropriation. On the other hand, there's gravitating towards white characters.

Right. So it's almost like no matter which way you go, you end up back in racism. We think every space belongs to us because we live in a white supremacist society. Is America an inherently racist country? I think the word inherent is challenging there. If we say fundamentally, fundamentally. Yes. America is racist to its bones.

All of the inherently. Yeah. They go say you racist in theaters, September 13th, rated PG-13 by tickets now. Who is that woman, Matt? She is quite depth. Yeah, she that's Kate Slater. And she is, as she says, she identifies herself as an anti racist educator.

So what actually the first so-called expert that we talked to in the film. Did she know she was talking to you or was that she wasn't clear or? No, I don't think she knew. No, she didn't know that.

You know, I didn't I didn't come in and say I'm Matt Walsh of The Daily Wire. So I don't I don't think she knew that. I mean, and she and she that's kind of you see, it's the first interview and you can see that's in microcosm, kind of the approach we take in the film, where she opens with this absurd thing about how she's upset at her daughter for liking white princesses. And in a different version of this movie, I'd probably respond by saying, well, what's wrong with that?

What do you, you know, what are you nuts? But instead, it's like, okay, well, I'll see that I'll see your white princesses up you cultural appropriation. And just see where this, you know, see where we go down this rabbit hole. And that's kind of how the whole film works. You see if there's any contradictions inherent in that.

So, Matt, you mentioned this previously. Is it fair to say that for many of the white women that engage in this and the authors and the proponents, it is a substitute counterfeit religion? Do you get the sense that it has the sort of practices, the sort of rituals that make it have some religious undertones?

I think so. Of course, it's a pale it's a pale imitation of religion. So it doesn't have anywhere near the depth, obviously, and the beauty of Christianity.

But it does have, it tries to do some of that same stuff. And that is, when we go in the film and we do our, and it's a support group for white people who are struggling with their privilege and their grief over being white. And that whole thing, there's a lot of, it's a very ritualistic thing. And even sitting in the room, I got the sense that it seemed to me that these people have done things like this before. They kind of knew the flow of events. And, you know, even down to like, you give your pronouns, and because they still do that in this world.

It's not a joke to them. You go around and you talk about, you give examples of your own racism. That's a big thing I noticed in the few different struggle sessions we attended for this film. That going around and confessing, there's a confessional, confessing your racist sins is a big part of it. Well, and also that through the practice of confessing, somebody therefore needs to have the power of absolution, right? So can only a black person absolve you of your racism? I guess that's where I'm unclear.

Is there a hierarchy if someone's really struggling with this? Yes and no, because the answer is you can't be absolved. That's the problem. But, you know, obviously, even Robin DiAngelo, she's quick to say when I talk to her, she's always quick to, well, you know, women of color would be, she's always, she's always does this performance of being sort of, you know, humble and saying, oh, I'm not the really, the authority on this. I'm not a person of color. Of course, she thinks that she is an authority, thinks that she is an authority though. So they would say that they defer to a woman of color who can absolve them. But then again, they really can't be absolved. So it's always, you know, again, in both of these struggle sessions we saw, they go around, they confess their racist sins.

I'm listening to it. I'm thinking, I've heard you all tell your stories. Not one of you has told a racist story. None of you have done anything racist. What are the examples they would use, Matt? Like, I mean, cause they're not racist, but they think they're racist.

So there's one that cut the top of my head. A woman talks about, she's married to a black man, if I remember correctly. And she sometimes gets annoyed with him because he talks too loud or something and she wants him to shut up. And that's her husband.

And it's like, every spouse, that's what, you know, married couple has not had arguments about, you know, you're talking too much or whatever. But so they say that. But then the person leading it doesn't say, oh, certainly doesn't assure them that it wasn't racist, doesn't say you're absolved. It's more like, yeah, that was racist.

You need to do better next time. There's no comfort. There's no solace. There's nothing like that. It's just I'm going to dump on you for having done this terrible thing. So if you had to pinpoint the books that make up the catechism of anti-racism, what would you say that they are they are reading and consuming that gives them these views the most? Is it Robin DiAngelo's? Is it how to be an anti-racist?

What would you say? White fragility is kind of still the Bible of the anti-racist world. So probably that. There was a time when it would probably be some Ibram X. I think he's fallen out of favor recently. So probably not him anymore.

That's the only thing. It kind of changes because these people, they just naturally get exposed. I mean, look at what many of the people that founded Black Lives Matter where they are now. So they just they're all a bunch of they're just empty suits.

And many of them are con artists. And it turns out allegedly plagiarist. That's correct.

So they kind of wash out and then they get replaced by someone else. So right now, Robin DiAngelo is the pinnacle. But we'll see how long that lasts. She is now credibly accused of plagiarizing her doctoral thesis, actually. And we'll see if that actually ends up playing out between your movie and her plagiarism accusations. Not going to be a good word.

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How do we finish them? I think their biggest weakness is that the world that they construct, the world that they tell us exists is so far outside of the experience of normal people. It doesn't actually resonate, you know, with most normal people, I think, and that's their greatest weakness. Really, the way to defeat them is ultimately to see them for the ridiculous absurdities that they are, which is what we're trying to demonstrate in the film. And then having acknowledged that, once that's clear, to just completely ignore them. I mean, in the film, we go down and we talk to some normal people who are really outside the whole DEI bubble.

They're probably not being subjected to DEI programming in corporate America or in school. We go to a biker bar in the south and the Confederate flags hanging on the walls and a bunch of white bikers. And then from there, we immediately go down to New Orleans, inner city, very poor areas, black community, talk to people there. And what we hear is, it's shockingly similar. I mean, shocking if you believe the media, anyway. We hear a lot of the same stuff, and what we hear from both sides is systemic racism. They're not really thinking about that. They barely even know what it's supposed to mean. They don't really care that much. They notice your race, but they're not focused on it. They're not thinking about racism all the time. We all believe the same as a refrain we heard in both places from the bikers, from the poor community in New Orleans.

And I think, again, if you're outside of all that, that's just what your daily experience is, which is why the Robin DeAngelis of the world, they see that, which is why they want to get in there and say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you're black, you're a victim. You need to realize that. If you're white, you're an oppressor. You need to realize that. You need to be focused on this all the time. Every interaction you have with a person of the race is fraught, is just is you need to go into it anxious because of all the things that could go wrong, even smiling at someone. If you're a white person, even that could be an act of racism. So that's where they want to come in and sort of spread those ideas.

But the most the most you can ignore them, the better. Let's play Cut 44. This is Matt Walsh with a BLM struggle session. I mean, these clips are gold, Matt. I got it.

I just got to give you credit repeatedly. Play Cut 44. The white participants in the group feel that there's something in themselves that they have to overcome when all that's being requested of you is that you be. Hello. Hi. How are you? How are you?

Oh, no problem. You good? Yeah. Yeah. Remind me of your name again. Uh, uh, Steven.

Steven. Yeah. Okay. Um, did you want to come up? Come up?

Yeah. Do you want to come up and share anything? Sure. What do you want me to share? Whatever's on your mind. I just want to know that like my physical safety and yours and everybody else's here is okay.

Why would your physical safety not be okay? Did I miss something? I don't feel comfortable.

What? Can you guys catch me up to speed on what's going on here? You don't need to be caught up. We're going to be silent. Is it because I said I had 17 black friends? It might've been 15.

It depends on how you count them. I would really appreciate it if you left so that the people who actually want to be here and deserve to be here can get what they need. Can you please leave? I would like it if you left. I'm trying to learn I'm on this journey. Come with me.

Well, thank you. I didn't, I didn't consent to be touched. I'm not offering to touch you. I'm offering to walk you out.

Will you walk with me and I'll answer your questions. Matt. I mean, this, these are broken people. I think this is really important. I mean that these are people that are deeply unwell that needs some sort of healing and they need some sort of probably religion or therapy and they find it in this crusade of anti-racism and tell us again, what we just witnessed. Yeah. That's a session for white people dealing with grief.

I guess basically over the fact that they're white. And you know, as you see kind of an AA style sitting around in chairs in a circle what you saw there is actually the end of I'm there is an hour and a half of event. I was there for, well, it ended up ending early after they kicked me out because they called the cops and everybody was very traumatized. So they had to just, and unfortunately I ruined the whole event. I really didn't mean to.

But, you know, prior to that, I'm just trying to take part in my own way because I'm learning and they weren't very welcoming of that either. But, you know, we played for comedy, obviously it's funny. I hope the audience finds it funny. I certainly do. But certainly being in the room, yes, these are broken people and it's quite sad.

And, you know, if I wasn't making a movie, what I would like to do is just turn to those people and say, hey, guys, you're fine. Okay. You don't need to be here. You're not racist.

You're perfectly okay. Just go live your life and forget about all this nonsense. And that's the message I think that they need. Well, yes. And their ideas are so easily debunked. Their ideas are so easily confronted. But it requires courage, doesn't it, Matt? And I think that's one of the reasons why you made this film is that the spell that they have America under the control is that thou shall not be racist. What people will do to not be called the R word is remarkable.

And you just lean right into it. Can you elaborate on it? Right. Yeah. I mean, it can be hard for especially someone like me or you, Charlie, where we do this for a living. We talk about these issues. We get called racist. We get all the labels thrown at us all the time, all the iss and all the foes and everything.

And it rolls off your back. And it's like, I don't care. I don't care that you think that about me.

I'm not saying it's true, but I just don't care that you think it. But it can be hard for us to really conceptualize that for a lot of people, especially people on the left, especially people that are upper middle class, whatever, they are terrified of being called that. It is the worst thing you could ever say about them. And once you call them that, you have them under this spell, it's like this curse that they just feel like they have to be rid of.

Right. And once you put that on the table, they will do anything to prove that it's not true. And that's something that throughout the film, especially towards the end, I won't expose way, but towards the end, we kind of we use that to our advantage to show you like that they really will do anything to prove that they are aren't racist.

And it's quite it's quite sad. Well, and so why is that, Matt? Is it because they're actually afraid of being called a racist or are they afraid of the societal and cultural cost to their status if they're called a racist?

Yeah, I think it's I think it's a little bit of both, but I think it's mainly the latter. I think that they're worried about social alienation, being ostracized, and that's what they don't want to they don't want to give up because for them, their social status depends on being seen as I want everyone to connect the dots here. So the the thing that Americans are most afraid of in upper middle class society is being called a racist, a term of which that cannot be defined even by the people who do it for a living. And they cannot tell you how you reach that threshold. So, Matt, what we live through then is the definition of arbitrary enforcement of power, where since there is no clear definition and there is no way that people can follow along, it's who then whoever gets to say it, they can ruin anybody's life at any time. And you know this, right, Matt?

If you and I go wear blackface, they'll try to ruin our career. But Joy Behar is perfectly fine because they'll make some sort of excuse or some sort of exception, right? And it's about having power and control over the society a lot more than actually trying to advance a better world where there is less prejudice or stereotyping. Is that correct? Yeah, I think it's exactly it. And to use the religion analogy again, these are, you know, sort of the priestesses and priests of this religion who, you know, claim some sort of ability to relieve you or atone, you know, relieve you of your sin. But they are the ones on their own who have the ability to tell you if something is a sin or not. There's no, you know, there is no real like 10 commandments of the anti-racist religion. It's just whatever they happen to say at the moment. So you never know.

Let's play Cut 44. I used to be a white woman, an unsuccessful one, for many decades, and it was a miserable experience. And really, the hatred of yourselves and each other is like the most, the not seeing your power, the being afraid.

Like, all you do is talk about each other, talk about yourself. That's all they do. That's all they do.

I'm telling you, these white women? But it's, that's it. It's, I'm so fat. I'm so stupid. I'm blah, blah, blah.

Sorry. Oh, Matt, that is priceless. So you're interjecting as the waiter, talking about how all white women do is talk, how terrible they are. Is that right?

Yeah, yeah. And I'm, you know, I was at the dinner for the whole thing, and we kind of started interjecting a little bit. And my goal in that scene was to earn a seat at the table, because I wasn't allowed initially to sit there because I'm not a white woman.

And I guess you have to see the movie, but you know, well, but it's in one of the clips we put out. So I do eventually succeed and I earn my spot at the table, even if it wasn't necessarily a welcome presence. So you did earn a seat?

I did. Well, I don't know if I earned the seat, but I did take a seat. By the end of this experience, I was sitting with them enjoying a champagne with them. So, Matt, I have to now play this. This is you and I were both at the DNC, Matt. I was a little bit more visible than you, but Matt Walsh was at the DNC.

Let's play cut 46, where you're crawling around the floor of the DNC. The more they see her, the more they're going to like her. I saw what she did in the Senate.

We served together for four years. She cared about families. She could work with all kinds of people. And she was effective in getting things done.

One of the things she pushed, which we succeeded in, was thirty five dollar insulin for senior citizens. Now we're going to get it for everybody. What's your response when Trump takes credit of that? Trump takes credit for so many things he doesn't do and gets the blame for a lot of things he does do.

He's he's lost his bearings, as we can see day by day. Oh, Matt, that's perfect. How did you get floor passes to the DNC? I don't know. They were you know what? They were handed to me by just someone just to I think there was a homeless guy on the street. It was a lot of them in Chicago. And he you know, I bartered with it.

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I think it is. It's falling out of favor in name, at least. So, DEI now takes on a negative connotation, I think, for most people.

What you got to watch out for, though, is you're going to have these institutions, whether it's in corporate America or academia or in government, that get rid of their DEI program and then replace it with something that just has a different name. And we know that this is something that the left is very good at. They're very good at euphemisms. They're very good at repackaging the same idea over and over again in different ways. And then eventually, people figure out that, okay, that's what this really is, and then they have to change it again. So, I think we're a long way from actually having extricated ourselves or this stuff from society, because it is deeply embedded.

And the people that are running these institutions, this is what they believe. And so, it's going to be, we still have a long fight ahead of us to actually get rid of it. But like I said, we have to look out for the branding changes, the thing we have to watch out for. When you started the planning for this film, could you have ever imagined getting to such close proximity on camera to the individuals that you did in this film? We had hopes, but, you know, of course, there's a part of us that thought this might not work at all.

We might try this for a year and not have a movie at the end of it. But, you know, we did. Especially because we knew there was going to be an undercover element of this, and I was unwilling to shave my beard.

That was a no-go. So, it was going to really handicap our ability for me to conceal my identity. But then we found out that just putting on the wig and wearing skinny jeans was enough for most of these people, surprisingly enough.

Whoever knew that liberal America was so easily culturally appropriated? Remind the audience here, Matt, it's in theaters. That's a new step for The Daily Wire, is that right?

Yeah. We have never had a film in theaters before, so this is our first attempt at it. If you want more movies like this in theaters, then you got to go out and support it.

But I'm not asking for charity here. It's actually, I think, a good film and an entertaining one. So, we'll reward your investment if you buy a ticket.

But you go to miracist.com and pre-order tickets now. For the last couple of years, we've been living under this movement from the top down that has tried to convince us that we are a racist country, this oppressive movement. And the way we defeat it is with mockery and humiliation. Matt Walsh's new film is just terrific.

And, Matt, I want to get your take on the 2024 race here, the presidential race, where if Kamala Harris wins, she will bring some of these outrageous ideas even further into our government. Because, Matt, it's easy to laugh at it. It's easy to make fun of it. But there are real-life implications involved in DEI and these struggle sessions. Explain that to our audience, please.

Yeah, that's exactly it. I mean, we can make fun of it because it's a ridiculous thing. But just because it's ridiculous doesn't mean that it's not a serious threat. Many things that are ridiculous are also quite serious.

And this is one of them. I mean, this is racism embedded into institutions. And all you have to do is talk to one of the many people out there that have been passed over for jobs and opportunities because of the color of their skin. It's just that racism is generally targeted at groups that the elites in our society have said, well, it's okay to target them.

We know how that goes. If you know anything about history, you know that when you single out a group of people and you say, well, they're the cause of all our problems, they're the villains, and it's wrong to treat most people this way, but if you treat them this way, it's okay. We know that there's not a good track record of doing that to any group of people.

And now we're doing it, you do it to white people, especially straight white men being the uber villains of all. And the implications in real life for people are enormous. But Matt, what makes this different, I suppose, can you think of another movement where the group that's being targeted so willingly participated in their own demise? I have no such example to compare it to. Yeah, there are a few things that make it unique. And that's probably one of them.

It seems like there was this kind of throwing up of the hands and saying, all right, fine. It seems like that, but that's not actually the case, because most of the people who are affected by this actually didn't vote for it and don't want it. They are not out there voting for politicians who promise more DEI.

It's just that they don't have the same power. It's been pointed out many times that a lot of this DEI stuff, there seems to be liberal white women seem to be overrepresented among the people that are pushing it. And that's true. And it's even more specific than that.

It's like upper class liberal white. They're not the only ones pushing it. But it does seem to be a massive over overrepresentation there. And they are exerting this kind of power over many people who are not consenting to it and don't want this and aren't voting for it. Why do you think that is, though?

Why is that specific demographic so enthusiastic for this? That's a complicated question. I think some of it, if we're to just break it down along gender lines, some of it is kind of like the female capacity for empathy, which is a good thing normally.

Women in general tend to be more empathetic than men are, I think. But that can be twisted. That can be used against them. That can be twisted.

That can be exploited in really sinister ways. And so I think that's part of what's happening here. Some of it, again, just goes back to good old fashioned virtue signaling, showing off your virtue.

And I think the biggest part is what we talked about kind of earlier about the collapse of faith in America and people who are secular people who have no faith looking for some approximation of religion and finding it in this and then finding that in this new religion, especially if they're liberal white women, they're not just members of the religion, they are now at the pulpit, you know, delivering the sermons. And I think that they are very pleased by that. Matt, great work. I have great respect for you, one creator to another. You're one of the most important voices in the country. This is a masterpiece.

I want everybody to check it out. Matt Wolf, congratulations. Thanks so much. Really appreciate it, Charlie. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.