Brazil's War Against Elon Musk And Against Free Speech

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. There is something evil and pernicious happening in Brazil, and it requires a lot of attention. Our media is largely ignoring it. One of the biggest countries on the planet is turning into a totalitarian, unrecognizable nation. Joining us right now is Paulo Figueroa, who is a censored Brazilian journalist and host of the Paulo Figueroa show. Paulo, welcome back to the program. Thank you, Paulo, for our American audience that is not tracking what is happening in Brazil. Walk us through the sequence of events that's occurred recently.

Thank you for having me, Charlie. You have been sounding the alarm and Elon Musk has been sounding the alarm for months about freedom of speech problems in Brazil, the censorship orders coming from the Justice Alexander Morais, that bald guy that looks like Baltimore or James Bond villain, who is effectively Brazil's defacto dictator. And in the last month, let's say, Morais issued censorship orders to all social media platforms. The targets included public figures, journalists like myself, senators or even a journalist's daughter, a 16-year-old journalist's daughter, and also an imprisoned congressman's wife.

It's very serious and acts. Elon Musk was the only one that decided to not comply with the orders. Facebook made a meta or Instagram and YouTube. They all follow the orders. They decided to not comply with. Elon Musk decided not to comply with them. And then the justice issued multimillion dollar fines, currently ranging from three to four million dollars, but they're increasing daily. And about a week ago, Morais threatened ex-executives as individuals and started threatening them.

Threats included freezing individuals, executives, personal assets, holding them personally liable for the fines and even threatened to arrest them for not complying with the orders. And then Musk decided to close ex-office in Brazil, which was the fifth largest market for ex in the world. Roughly 25 million people use the ex in Brazil and all the financial markets, all the mainstream media, politicians and you know the drill. So the court decided to, since the ex didn't have an office in Brazil anymore, the Supreme Court issued a tweet or a post, whatever you want to call it, with an order to Elon Musk saying that they needed to name a new representative in Brazil or they would shut down ex completely in Brazil. Now, I have to say that normally the legal instrument for judicial cooperation between Brazil and the U.S., when a Brazilian court want to issue an order to a U.S. company, it's complicated.

It's time consuming. And since ex didn't have an office in Brazil anymore, they were supposed to go through that. It's called a derogatory letter. It's what the international law dictates. But they decided to just post an order on tweet or on ex. And so they threatened to shut down ex completely in the country, demanded compliance with the decisions and appointments of new representatives in Brazil and all that. And immediately, Alsom Rice blocked Starlink's bank accounts, froze all their assets in Brazil, claiming that it's part of Elon Musk's economic group.

So they froze all their assets to pay ex fines, Starlink's assets. And it was a problem because people are afraid of Starlink being shut down in Brazil. Many remote parts of Brazil depend on Starlink, including various service from the armed forces in Brazil. So right now, ex is completely blocked in Brazil since last week. The only way to access ex in Brazil is through a VPN or Starlink, which announced, Starlink announced it wouldn't, would not comply with Moriah's decisions. But on top of all that, Moriah's also imposed a $10,000 daily fee for any individual using a VPN to access ex.

But of course, we're resilient, we're resourceful. Many people continue using ex in Brazil via VPN. They claim to be a friend posting on their behalf from outside of Brazil. Even the mainstream media outlets are saying that the posts are now being made by international correspondents. And that's, I think it's a summary of what happened the past month.

This is a remarkable story. This is a top-down restriction of freedom of speech. I have two questions. Is freedom of speech considered to be a core Brazilian value? That's number one, because in America we say that it is. And then number two, to play devil's advocate, what is their argument again as to why to do this? I know that you explained, I just, I'm failing to quite grasp that.

So please answer those two questions. So freedom of speech is protected by Article 5 of the Brazilian Constitution, is also protected by international treaties that Brazil signed, including the San Jose of Costa Rica Pact, which comprehends most countries in America. And also it's part of the International Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations.

Brazil also signed that. So free speech is bluntly protected by all types of laws, but the laws only matter if people decide to follow it. If the judges decide that they can open an exception to the law, then it's the same thing with the US. You have the First Amendment.

It's beautiful. But if a court decides, well, we're going to suspend the First Amendment, there's no antidote for that. And we have this problem going, it's an international problem. It's happening, similar things are happening in France while you all see Canada. And to be honest, Charlie, I think Moraes is just part of a global trend, which is a trend of censorship coming from the left. He only is bolder than most world leaders. I think Kamala Harris or any Democrat would do the same if they felt they had the power. Moraes was just more courageous and decided to do more and no one stopped him. And frankly, I don't know if anyone will stop Kamala Harris if she tries something similar in the US.

I mean, this is amazing to me. So so we have a rather robust and aggressive US State Department that seems really interested in making sure that we have abortion clinics in Ghana and, you know, condoms for gay sex in Turkey or whatever that our State Department does. Has the US State Department come out and spoke against this action? Has there been any US sanction or condemnation or pressure? Because if the United States government said stop it, then this this would this would be over, right? So has there been anything from the US State Department?

Oh, yeah. The State Department actually supported Moraes to get to this point. All the framework that Moraes used to combat misinformation, which is the powers that he's claiming to do all that, came from the United States, came from the State Department, came from the from actually the FBI and United States NGOs like the Atlantic Council.

And of course, the Open Society. So everything was imported from the United States. The State Department came to the point that on the 2022 elections in Brazil, they said, well, Jake Sullivan went to Brazil to make sure Moraes was not challenged. The head of CIA went to Brazil to make sure Moraes was not challenged.

Even the secretary of defense, they all went to Brazil on the same year to make sure no one would challenge Moraes. So that's how it became all that powerful. Some people ask, oh, how did that guy became all that powerful? Well, it was the United States, Joe Biden's administration that made him that powerful.

It's just amazing to me. I mean, again, as an American, we're constantly talking about exporting our values, defending democracy everywhere. And then you have a country in our own hemisphere, which is, I think, the most populated country in South America. Am I correct by saying that?

I think that's correct. And definitely the largest landmass. The largest population in the world. Yeah. And one of the wealthiest countries, at least a trillion dollar GDP, if I'm not mistaken.

And they could just, they could just turn off a social media application and we kind of just shrug our shoulders. It is it is remarkably. Paulo, you're doing amazing work. Just tell our audience how they can support you, please. Again, look me up on X at Rio P. Figurado, my P. Figurado. Hey, this is Charlie Kirk, and I know a lot of you have been suffering under the Biden economy.

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Andrew and Todd dot com. Continuing with us is a great man who I want to extend an invite. If his country further becomes like Venezuela, he can always claim asylum in our country. Paulo, I will make a case for asylum for you for any time. Unfortunately, we have a lot of asylum seekers that should not be claiming asylum, unfortunately. So I have been living in Florida for the past 10 years. Really? Yeah, but there are many cases of journalists from Brazil, even a judge, that fled Brazil and is looking for asylum here and filed a claim for asylum.

Many cases. Well, I was joking, but I'm glad you're in Florida, because that's what Florida is all about, is fleeing South American tyranny. Unfortunately, now it's also from Brazil.

And I want to get into this if we have time, which is kind of how the country has slid since Luna. But so here's the point is that the Packers and the Eagles are scheduled to play in Brazil this Friday. If America and the NFL had any sort of moral compass, they would cancel the game and they say, we're playing in Tampa or Orlando. OK, find some city that doesn't have an NFL team.

You could sell it out in a second. OK, the Major League Baseball moved its all star game out of Atlanta because it passed voter integrity laws. The Super Bowl was moved out of Arizona about 20 years ago because it didn't recognize MLK Day the way they wanted it to.

The NCAA boycotted North Carolina because they wouldn't let boys into girls bathrooms. But we're bringing the NFL roadshow to Brazil where free speech is forbidden, is verboten. Paulo, help me understand. Yeah, that's it's pretty much endorsing the regime that's in power in Brazil. There have been some conversations in Congress about passing a bill regarding Brazil, similar to one exists about Venezuela, Russia, Belarus and other countries as well. But so far, the Congress hasn't done much. We have a couple of congressmen that actually talked about it. Congressman Chris Smith from New Jersey, Maria Salazar here from Florida, Senator Rick Scott, but not that many.

I think Congress is in recess right now. But Elon Musk is calling for retribution. Right. And I think one key aspect that's not being explored is how a U.S. company is having their assets taken away from a Brazilian, from a South American dictatorship. Again, that same thing happened in Venezuela in the past and in Cuba, of course. And it's now in a way, in a different way, happening in Brazil as well. And I believe it's the job of the U.S. government to protect American interests worldwide. Right.

Well, I would I mean, yes, if you have that belief, I have a more nuanced belief, which is that the primary concern of a government is to first take take care of its citizens and then you can start exporting stuff. We don't even do that. We don't take care of our citizens. It's complete bedlam. It's anarchy. We got Venezuelans taken over our apartment complexes. We got gang violence in the streets. We're being invaded on a daily basis.

We've got three hundred twenty thousand kids just missing that might have been sold into sex slavery. But so if, if, if your most important thing is about the exporting of American values, which the American Foreign Policy Project says that it is, we have hundreds of well-funded think tanks in Washington, D.C. All they do all day long is write white papers that no one reads about how American values are the best ever. When it actually matters and an ally of ours in the southern hemisphere, Brazil, flips, we just seem indifferent. Can you walk our audience through the Brazilian story in recent years from Bolsonaro to Lula to the Chinese communist influence? How has Brazil fallen so quickly and so sharply?

Because it looked as if it was on the upswing for a little bit. Well, Brazil has been under the hands of the left for almost three decades, and then we elected President Bolsonaro, who was very conservative in every sense. Bolsonaro stayed in power for four years and then we had elections in 2022 and he lost. Well, he actually the main claim the election was stolen in Brazil with support of the CIA and the American Department of State. So Morais was the hat guy for that. And well, then he brought Lula back to power. And now Lula is the president of Brazil. But Lula doesn't have not nearly as much power as Morais does.

Lula is very much a socialist. He's a communist and he supports Morais. But Morais is the one in charge.

Morais is the one giving all these censorship orders. What Brazil is suffering is part of a process called juristocracy. Many countries in the world are suffering that where the judiciary is taking over some roles that used to be part of the executive and legislative branch. So instead of having a democracy, a government from the people, other people, you are having a juristocracy, a government of the judiciary branch. Well said, Paulo, stay safe.

I'm very glad you're in this country. And I think every American should boycott the Packers-Eagles game. I'm not a fan of either, to be perfectly honest with you, but it is a disgrace. I mean, I wouldn't expect anything else out of Roger Goodell, the worst commissioner in the history of American sports. The guy is a mockery, making thirty two million dollars a year, allowing this travesty to occur. Wouldn't expect anything else, but that's the that's the current state of the NFL.

The NFL mirrors a broken American culture. Paula, thank you so much. I love good ranchers. You should check it out right now at good ranchers dot com. Use promo code Kirk. That is good ranchers dot com. Check it out right now. Promo code Kirk. Joining us now is Todd Bensman. Todd, I want to start with cut 12.

Let's play cut 12. I'm in the village of Baja Chiquito, which is a village on a fairly major river that is used by the immigrants to go downstream and get off at another camp and be processed onto buses that then go on into Costa Rica. It took about two hours or so to get up the river to this place, to this Indian village. And what we found along the way was that at least twenty three boats filled with immigrants passed us on the way down on our way up and their way down. So, Todd Walker, audience, through your recent visit to the Darien Gap, remind them where the Darien Gap is and the significance of it. And welcome back. Thank you.

Sure. The Darien Gap is a fairly notorious major immigrant highway passageway that connects South America to North America. It goes from Colombia into Panama.

It's roadless. It used to have maybe ten thousand or less immigrants a year go through it. When Biden entered office and did catch and release at our border, it sparked off this massive historic wave through there. Five hundred and twenty thousand last year alone, another quarter of a million so far this year. But what happened is the Panamanians elected a new president who said, I'm closing it.

That's too many. That's a bridge too far for us. And the Panamanians asked for U.S. support. Well, the Biden administration's turned that thing into a major superhighway.

They made it faster, easier, quicker resource, better resource than ever before. So, you know, a couple of million people have passed through that. And the Panamanians now are saying, hey, we want to close it.

We're going to close it and we want your help. So I went down there to see how things were going with that promised U.S. help and what was going on. And what I found was that while there was a pause in the traffic levels because people were like, well, are they really going to, they were holding in place to see what the Panamanians would really do. But lo and behold, the American support was never forthcoming.

They didn't really want to do it. A golden opportunity for the Americans to improve our national security footing. This is where the 380 immigrants on the terror watch list that we've caught at our border came through initially. They can't even screen them down there anymore. Maybe 3% they can screen of the ones coming through. And here we have this opportunity to close it down.

And so far, what I found is that we're taking a pass. So I just have a technical question. Do people really walk all the way from southern Panama up to the U.S. border? Are they given rides? Are there trains or they walk 2500 miles? No, that's a good question.

That's not what happens. The Panamanians have and the Costa Ricans have in place something policy called controlled flow. So the Panamanians collect them off of the gap, send them down these rivers, process them in and then and then organize bus caravans. Yeah, that's what I think. And then the bus caravan away to Nicaragua.

I don't think you should be given citizenship or allowed in the country. But if you walk 2500 miles, I have a little more respect for you. But I guess they get they get rides, they get trains. I'm sure some people walk.

But I mean, that is that is a journey. 2005. That's across the continuous United States. So how many people can we expect? Because that is a leading indicator for eventually what happens at the border. What is the time lapse then from a Darien Gap flow to a border surge on our border? What is the the gap in timing here? Right.

It just depends. Right now, the Mexicans are in the midst of a major Biden arranged crackdown to improve election optics at our border. You know, you don't see much Fox News drone footage anymore of thousands of people crossing because they cut a deal with the Mexicans to hold them back in their southern provinces. So the people that are coming through Darien are going to have to get through that first. And then as of November 5th, I expect that the floodgates will be unleashed, lifted. And, you know, all of those hundreds of thousands of people down there will pour through.

But until the November 5th election right now, I think that we're not going to see them coming through very quickly. But the Panamanians afterwards, the Panamanians have done something really. They brought us this silver platter olive branch saying we will shut this thing down.

We want to shut it down. All you have to do is give us some money for repatriation flights. The money's not coming so far and neither is the diplomatic muscle that they need to make other Latin American countries work with the Panamanians to shut that gap down. That is a national security threat. That gap has always been a problem because 170 nationalities come through there from all over Africa, every Muslim-majority country in the world.

That's where they're coming through first. They land in Latin America and pass through there and it's a perfect geographic chokehold point. And you've got a government there willing to do it. And the U.S. is like, never mind.

I find that interesting and has to be reported. The American people need to know that. A Harris government, I believe, would demure and say, yeah, we really don't want to help you out. A Trump administration, I think, would flood the zone with cash and diplomats to make sure it happened.

So let me ask you one more question and then I want to get to the SAVE Act. Kamala Harris, a week from tonight, will be debating Donald Trump in Philadelphia. And she will assuredly say that border crossings are low. We took executive action. Is that correct, Todd, or are they coming in other ways via flights, the CBP-1 app?

Yes, no and yes. But, you know, for sure the numbers are way down, but not because of any executive order. That is simply not true. Nothing that they did executive order-wise is behind that. It was their page that they tore from the Trump playbook of diplomatically arranging with Mexico to shut this down.

They don't need legislation. They just needed this deal with Mexico all along. They could have done this at any point. Trump had a similar thing in place that was working great. And the first thing the Biden administration did was relieve the Mexicans of that obligation. And, of course, we saw what happened after that. But you mean they just gave the Mexicans cash, essentially, correct? Well, it's a secret still as to what the Biden administration...

This is unbelievable. It's a total secret. I mean, why are House Republicans not subpoenaing and trying to get answers of, hey, are we forking over tens of billions of dollars of cash for the Mexican government? I mean, that would be probably an important thing to find out.

Yeah, totally need to do that. I know I have done it. I have, like, searched all over public records looking for, like, any hint of an extra payment of billions of dollars. You know, Mexico's president asked on 60 Minutes and said, you know, we want $20 billion or else guess what? The Mexican or, you know, the screen that we've got going on down here will go down and the immigrants will go forward. We need $20 billion.

I don't know if they paid the $20 billion. I don't really know what that is, but I think the American people deserve to know the answer to that. Yes. And so one other thing, Todd, just in the interest of time before we hit the SAVE Act, the CBP-1 app, are they coming in via other means? Are they getting depoed hundreds of miles away from the border and then getting flown into the interior of the United States?

Yes, absolutely. That is the great, unseen mass migration where it's continuing. They brought in a million, too, by direct flights from all over the world and by bringing them on the CBP-1 app, the scheduling, you know, phone app, over the land bridges from 100 different nationalities over the land of 500,000 to 600,000 they brought in. And you can't see it.

You can't see it when they're flying and you can't see it. And they call this a great success because they didn't cross illegally between ports of entry. But ask Chicago, New York, Denver, Boston and all the rest of those big cities if they care how they came in or if anybody saw them.

They're still showing up in huge numbers with their hands out in those cities driving. This is the scandal. And if Trump, if President Trump can effectively in the debate tell this story saying the current Harris administration is flying people into the interior of the United States, that's that's a remarkable story to be told.

People don't even can't even grasp it. So they just bypass the border now and they get a 747 into Madison, Wisconsin, or a 747 into Duluth, right? Right. I mean, that's exactly where they walk in. Over the bridges and we stamp them right in. And I would like to see the candidate Trump, the nominee, talk about things like this other than just that, you know, they're emptying their insane asylums. And because these are the things that people really care about.

They're showing up in their cities, driving those cities to the brink of bankruptcy to this day by the tens of thousands a month still. Talk about it. Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here, you've asked and my pillow listened.

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My pillow dot com. All right, Todd, save act. What is the significance of it? What does it technically say? Speaker Johnson is teasing. He might add it to an upcoming continuing resolution.

What's going on, Todd Bensman? Right. Well, obviously there is a concern across the country, especially in Republican circles, that, you know, illegal immigrants are going to vote widely enough in a close election that they could swing it. And what this would do is right currently, you know, federal law prevents, you know, states from requiring proof of citizenship. So this piece of legislation would then allow states to require that proof of citizenship before people could vote.

So, you know, clearly this is a voter integrity measure. Why not? Kind of a thing like, I mean, if you can't show that you're a citizen or, you know, then, you know, what's the big deal? Like, why not?

Why not require that? It's like the voter I.D. But of course, the Democrats are opposed to it.

You know, I don't think it's I'm skeptical that it's going to really go anywhere. But it's a piece of legislation would also prevent, you know, inevitable litigation to gum things up if people. Now, one thing you have to remember, though, is that in a lot this is a kind of an issue, because in a lot of states, when you are an illegal immigrant and you get a driver's license, a lot of states allow illegally present immigrants to apply for driver's license. There's a box that you can check that you would simultaneously like to register to vote. And so the belief is that, you know, tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants that have come in on this border crisis check that box and that they're eligible to vote. And there's nobody to stop it.

That's what's that's what's at issue here. So the the greater concern just more globally is how many foreigners are actually here on the interior United States? How many illegals are there?

Would you guesstimate? And how many have come across the border since January of 2021? Well, the center, we think that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of between we're conservative on that, between eight million and 10 million and probably more. And that would include the the gotaways, the people that were never registered or nobody ever laid hands on them.

They just slipped on through and into the interior. We think that they're probably well, we know that there are at least two million of those, but we think there are probably a lot more. So the numbers are variable, but I'll figure about 10 million got in on this than the last thirty six, 40 months. So 10 million new people that have come into the United States, they're here illegally, 10 million people. And they're spread all across the country.

They're not just regional to give everyone to put that into perspective. That is the population of Michigan. That is the population of North Carolina. That is more than the population of New Jersey, Virginia, Washington, Arizona, Tennessee. That's more than the population of 40 states, Todd. I mean, we were having, you know, four full Super Bowl stadiums a month come in for years. So, you know, I mean, those of us who were down there watching this were just, you know, we understood that there was nothing of this magnitude in the record books anywhere.

No, no country on earth has had something like this happen on purpose. So, yeah, there's that many people here and a lot of those remember the people, they come in over the border and then we usher them right in. We catch and release the vast majority of them. They'll go, they'll gravitate to blue states, but also plenty of red states.

But wherever they can get the most stuff, where the places that want to hand out driver's licenses, for example, where they can check those voter registration boxes, they're heavy in those places where you can check those voter registration boxes on the driver's license application. Unbelievable. Todd Bensman, thank you so much. Check out his book, Overrun. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Email us freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. I mean, you have 10 million people.

That is more than the population of the state of Michigan, far more than the state of the population of Virginia in the country illegally. That was not here beforehand. That was not here beforehand.

I mean, that is the great replacement in real time. They are here to replace you. You think about it. You know, three out of four of all people arrested in midtown Manhattan are illegals. Three out of four. Seventy five percent. It makes you wonder if Kamala Harris wins a another term. It'll be it'll be 40 million people.

It'll be the largest looting operation in human history. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thank you so much for listening. God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com.