THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 84 — South African Refugees? Best Movie Ever?

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. We've got another Thought Crime Thursday here for you. Jack Pessoba here back in Washington, DC. Of course, last week I was there at the Vatican, so we got to see the giant St. Peter's Basilica behind me. Now I have this wonderful graphic of, I guess the other ear, of the dome of US Capitol, not quite as old as that one, also not designed by Michelangelo, but a lot cooler because it's America. But we've got a really cool, really great set list lined up for today for the entire show, great program, and also Charlie Kirk will be here in just a few minutes. But guys, let's zoom out here real quick.

Do we have, I believe we have Blake, Andrew, and Tyler lined up? Hello, hello. Jack, I thought you were going to call The Devil's Basilica behind you.

The Devil's Basilica. Oh man, you mean because it was founded by a bunch of Freemasons? No, just because of who operates out there right now. And that, though. That's another good reason.

We have Charlie coming soon, though. I've actually read the, there's a Dan Brown book that has all the Freemason symbols of Washington, DC, and what's it called, Last Symbol or Lost Symbol or something. And it's very similar to National Treasure II. It's literally almost the same plot, but it goes through it. It's just got a ton of good information about the craziness of DC.

Blake, that's all true, right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of wacky symbols in it. They were into their esoteric symbology.

Man, Dan Brown, that's a blast from the past. Remember in the early 2000s, Jack, where churches would need to have special events because Da Vinci Code was so popular, and we would need to have priests and scholars come and be like, no guys, Jesus didn't marry Mary Magdalene. This is a fictional book.

The Priory of Sion is not real. It's kind of like when SNL did that Sarah Palin skit. Like, I can see Russia from my house. And everybody actually thought she said it. It was just a line from an SNL skit. Everyone thought she said it.

I think they still do. What it taught me, though, was the power of memes, right? And so this idea that if you had a meme that was stronger than another meme, that just that one meme getting out there into the world and being released into the wild would catch fire across, you know, across people from person to person. And then even to Catholics who, you know, are sitting there like, yes, we've always believed this for thousands of years, but whoa, there's a Hollywood movie about it. And everybody's reading this book at the beach.

And suddenly, so it's like, okay, so if this is the way the world works, then it's the person with the most powerful memes that wins. So before we start today, I have just a little bit of a hook. We have a collab that's starting tonight at Turning Point Action with Conviction Co. This wonderful hat that you can see here. Fantastic. All proceeds are going to Turning Point Action, which is really cool.

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So nice. And Charlie is joining us. Yes. Yeah.

He'll be here in 20 minutes or so in the blink of an eye. But we're going to start off. Yeah, we got to get in there. Jack, I think we're starting off with Kill the Boar. Well, it's about time. It's about time. It's a terrible thing to say.

They're just they're just they're just running around farming up all those crops. And could you imagine, by the way, you guys will remember this like when this story first hit. I remember it was like two years ago, a year ago, when this when when it like first went viral on least in America and social media. I recall the first one pretty well because I helped start it.

Did you? So I was following. This was that Tucker Carlson show at Fox. And we were following the news because what happens is every few years they make a new push to seize Whitey's land in South Africa and just seize it without compensation. And then there will always be some sort of excuse where they'll delay it or not quite do it, because I think they know once they do it, like the country will completely collapse.

They'll turn into a, well, they'll also be a pariah. Yeah. And so what happened was we ran a segment that they were about I think it was that they were about to do it. And maybe Tucker mildly misspoke or we mildly misworded it as it was all already happening.

Or maybe we even did it accurately. But whatever it was, Trump watched that segment and then did a very angry tweet about it that night or the following morning. And then South Africa put out a statement disavowing this. And it was a minor diplomatic incident.

And it's flared up five times since then. I remember when the moment happened. And Jack, I don't know if you remember. I'm sure you do remember this because you're very with it online. But it was like the outrageousness of it, like the cartoonishness of having a popular political party in any country, let alone one that's in the G20 and that's hosting international competitions. And we all think of it as part of the League of Nations kind of thing, right? Not necessarily the old vestige of the 1920s or whatever.

I just mean like they're part of the civilization, right? To have a political party in a country like that that says something is outrageous, says kill a certain group of people. And then when you call them out on it, welcome, Charlie, when you call them out on it, they're like, oh, it's just a slogan. It's like a funny thing we say. It's a historical song. They'll be like, it's a historical protest song.

You can't get mad at us because we're black people that are singing jokingly about killing people. It's so cartoonish too, because like in comparison, like as an example, Charlie, you've heard about this lately, where like you said Deutschland Uber Alles, which is like a line in the German national anthem from like the 1800s. And like, they're weird because the Germans are a mentally ill country. But like, and it just means like Germany above all.

And it means in the context, like put Germany above like petty rivalries. It's like America first. Yeah, it's like America first. Not even more like America first. It's more like if you were saying USA ahead of California or something is really like what the meaning is in the song. And then like they freak out about that. And you'll have like ponderous CNN pieces where it's like, you know, the dark national socialist tone of saying that. And then you have this song where the lyrics are just kill the boar, shoot, shoot.

And like you could watch them and they're like doing popping gunshots in the air. The left is coming after me for jokingly saying Deutschland Uber Alles. Deutschland Uber Alles.

That's what the guy did. Well, not exactly. Because in Germany, they're like, oh, yeah. I mean, I think like 200 people got investigated or even arrested in Germany or fined or some sort of police action because it became trendy to, there was like a club song in France and they would play that song and then they would say Auslandraus, which means foreigners out. And like you would get in trouble from saying that. And like some of them did like, you know, Nazi salutes with it, but most did not. You could just get in trouble just for saying it.

And then on the flip side, of course, we have in South Africa, and it's just like kill the boar, shoot, shoot. And like nothing to see here. And like Yamiche from MSNBC.

Yamiche. She doesn't have anything to say about that. Sushi woman who looks like she.

But like deep fried. But the point is that she's like got nothing to say about that. And yet she was, what was her line? I'm appalled.

I think we have a clip. She was appalled. Everybody's frankly appalled that we're letting in 50 white Afrikaners that literally are under attack. Wait, wait, wait. I always try to do this before we get into a topic. And let's go to Blake. Blake, can you just give us in a couple of sentences, like let's say people are living under a rock. They have no idea what we're talking about. What is kill the boar, the land appropriation, and the South African refugee situation as it stands.

Okay, sure, sure, sure, sure. So the boars are, it means farmer in Dutch, or at least in Afrikan. I believe it's farmer in Dutch. The Dutch are the original European settlers in Southern Africa. The Dutch had a colony there in the 1600s. So there have been Dutch people there for about 400 years almost. And they have a long-term presence there, especially in rural areas. They're very successful farmers, hence the name. And of course, they remain pretty successful and prosperous in South Africa today.

This has become highly controversial. South Africa is a highly unequal country. It has had some difficulties since the end of apartheid. And so a popular political position in South Africa. It's worth noting the African National Congress, that's Nelson Mandela's party. They are a Marxist-Leninist party. They are basically a communist party.

And there are groups to the left of them, such as the Economic Freedom Fighters. And so a common demand in South African politics is that there should be forcible land redistribution, that they should seize land that is owned by white farmers in South Africa without paying for it, and forcibly redistribute it to the black majority in South Africa. Now, it's worth noting, this has been done in other African countries. It's been done in neighboring Zimbabwe. The result was starvation. So this is not a novel idea.

This is an idea that has been attempted, and it has failed badly. Now, in addition to this, South Africa is a dangerous country. No one denies that. And it's dangerous wherever you go. But within the dangers there, there's a particular type of murder that happens. They call them farm murders, where you'll have people, usually a lot of them are workers on farms or they live near them, and you'll have intrusions on farms, and they will just rob and often horribly murder the people on the farms. Now, yes, this is within the context of a lot of crime happening in South Africa. But there's very much a targeted element where you would not need to do this level of depraved violence against them, except that you do, in fact, want to murder these white farmers who you've been whipped into a frenzy against. And so this is what happens in South Africa, is people who are running these successful farms get targeted. And while they're getting targeted for these horrifying murders, you have members of the South African parliament, of the government, who talk about, we should kill white farmers, we should massacre them, or they'll greatly downplay it.

So I want to do two things. First of all, we should play this clip because this guy is, what's the number on the, for every one of ours, five of them, can you give me the number on that? I don't see it in the sheet. Can we show Andrew's shot first? It's the greatest shot ever. I wasn't going to bring it up out of respect for you, Charlie, but I was just going to say the fact that, yeah, he's a Huskies fan. And Oregon in the background. Oh, that's great.

This is the greatest thought crime ever. I'm hearing laughing and I don't like it. Is that a flag of South Africa? You know, the South Africans say, kill the boar, and us Huskies say, something the ducks that rhymes with ducks. And I'm just going to say it. I would cry if I had a U of A logo behind me the entire time. I didn't know. We were actually, I was like, Tyler, that's your usual scene.

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Yrefi.com. So now I want to, so the guy in this clip, this is incredible. I want to, Charlie, first the guy I'm about to show you a clip from, I want you to attempt to read his name because... You know how bad I am at this? I know. That's why I sent it to you. Try to, try to pronounce that one.

It is M-N-G-X-I-T. So this is like a funny ongoing joke that we have here at the Charlie Kirk show world. Charlie, Charlie in accents or like everybody thinks he's just making fun of Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez, but that's literally the best he can do. It's, I think my personal favorite, my personal favorite is that with Bolsonaro, Javier Bolsonaro of Brazil, it's just Bolsonaro, but like it's Latin American. So he has the compulsion, Bolsonaro.

Like you got to add some salsa to it. When I met him and I interviewed him, the team was like, it's Bolsonaro. And he's like, Bolsonaro, not Bolsonaro, Bolsonaro. Maybe they can't do it either.

But you can lean into your Anglo and just go with it. But anyway, so this, he has a name like he's a fricking Superman villain. But anyway, this is a guy who's in the South African parliament right now. He is in, he is an elected office holder.

Let's play clip 418. So I think he was saying he wants five white people, right? So he says for everyone they kill of us, we'll kill five white people. And he's like an elected leader. We'll kill their children, we'll kill their women.

And I don't know if it was in the clip, but he also says we'll even kill their pets. But this, this feels like a perfect example of like Michael Anton celebration parallax, because like if you listen to the media, they're like, it's not happening. But it's good that it is. And like this is it. So for example, the statement from the African national Congress party, they put this out the other day.

This is like the real thing. We tweeted this. And so they have this whole thing disavowed the falsehood of Afrikaner refugees. And they included this line. And so they have a thing where like, we commemorate our constitution affirms equality, dignity and non racialism as the bedrock of national life. Then they say, what the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety, but impunity from transformation. They flee not from persecution, but from justice, equality, and accountability for historic privilege. We go on like this.

My favorite part, though, is at the end. For media inquiries, please reach out to Mangaliso Stalin Conza. That same guy that was no, no, no, no different guy, but this is Stalin's nickname. Oh, yeah, great. Well, so so what's really crazy about what you're saying is, and I pulled this up last year, I'll have to pull it up.

So again, it's I know it's on my tour somewhere. But so what we call this, this whole bit about you're saying about the past transgressions and historical disparities, etc. So usually that type of language when we hear in the United States, we would refer to that as CRT or critical race theory. So these are typically policies and dei is a similar related policy at corporations. And you see these in schools and the military and many different large organizations and institutions throughout the United States. Here's what's crazy in South Africa, they have it literally written into their constitution.

So that means it's like it's like in their Bill of Rights. So if you wanted to get rid of CRT in South Africa, as it stands right now, for every single position at every job, at every government institution, this has been something that's led to, by the way, massive blackouts, what they call load shedding. So these huge blackouts throughout the country, because they can't literally they can't keep their power grid going, because they can't hire qualified people, because they always have to go through this CRT filter for every single position that they do, the whole thing's falling apart. And you can't just get a new president elected and turn it off, you'd actually have to change their foundational constitution from the 90s, which, by the way, was something that Bill Clinton supposedly in his administration helped Mills and Mandela on.

Can we play this Yamiche clip? Because I think it's I think it's telling 255. This is where she says it's appalling, because there's just lots of crime and everybody's getting hurt. It's not just white South Africans, 255. So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better, and they're also not as much of a security risk.

That's really causing a lot of people to be appalled, frankly. I mean, I should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that are dealing with these Afrikaners, I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race, Katie. Really, it's what it's what you said on Twitter the other day, like deep down, what a lot of these people want is they actually want it to boil over and they kill a ton of people so they can come in and say, this is what happens because they were racist. They deserve to have this happen to them. They really, really deep down want that to happen. And it's kind of like with the Floyd riots, where sometimes some people really wanted that to blow up and they would go burn down some middle class suburb and then they could see that's what happened because you didn't abolish the police.

I mean, you're totally right. This relates to BLM rioting, where people were just like, the liberal media was bending over backwards, twisting themselves into pretzels to try and justify the looting. It's like a form of reparations or this is what happens. What was AOC saying that riots are the language of a... They would all quote MLK because he said something of that nature.

I forget what the quote is, but it's like riots are the language of the unheard. Yes, there's something. And I think that's kind of the way that liberal progressives are looking at South Africa. They look at the fact that they own 70 percent of the land and they think that that's not fair.

Even though, I mean, there is a very clear case to be made that if you just took all that land and gave it to black South Africans, that you would see the productivity like fall off a cliff and would they be able to even marshal the resources to be productive again is a large question mark. I mean, there is... That's really besides the point because they don't want productivity. What they want is they just like want to kill and just like expropriate the people who have things.

Well, I totally agree. None of this can be understood without understanding that the core of it is driven by resentment and hatred of people who are productive, who are successful, who are innovative. That is what... I mean, that's fundamentally what undergirds any Marxist Leninist movement. But I do think that they think in the back of their minds, like if we could just seize this land and give it to the black South Africans, everything would be better because our people would then share with all the wealth. The thing that... I get that it's beside the point.

It's a secondary point. But I'm challenging that assumption being like if you stole all that land, there is not a single guarantee that it would be productive moving forward. I don't know the example of Zimbabwe, like how it's gone after, but it doesn't seem like it's gone very well after they drove all the white farmers out. Yeah, what happened... Rhodesia was the gem of Africa.

It was the most beautiful country. It's actually where Lion King was inspired. The Tree of Life is actually inspired from Rhodesia. And yeah, they got rid of the nice government and the Mugabe, who was actually funded by the Soviets, took over and went after the white men.

In fact, one of our board members, Mike Miller, had his ranch taken away from him. He was an American jeweler who bought a ranch in Rhodesia. And he was in America. He got a call and they're like, the communists, basically the blacks say that they control all your land now. And they killed everyone in Rhodesia.

Not everyone. So one of the cool things, so the head of Rhodesia when it was still a white minority role was Ian Smith was his name. He was this World War II hero. He's a very fascinating figure. And then he settles in Rhodesia after the war and he eventually becomes the head of the government there.

And one of the more interesting things is like, once he did step down as president, people said he should leave. And he was like, I am never going to leave. And he just settled in Harare, which is the capital. I think it had, I think it used to be Stanley or some other name, but he settles in Harare and they're like, dude, they're going to kill you. And he's like, no, they won't.

They're not going to do it. And they never did. And he just, he lived there the rest of his life. And what's really incredible is if you look at videos of modern day Zimbabwe, any news stories about it on YouTube and stuff, you'll find comments and they'll just say like, I am a black Zimbabwean and getting rid of Ian Smith is the biggest mistake we ever made.

It was like a huge disaster. And it's very interesting. He's a fascinating figure. Rhodesia edits are like really taking off on TikTok right now. They're only, they're number two behind Charlie Kirk campus clips. Is that right? What do you mean by Rhodesia edits? Tell me. So Rhodesia, no, it's like what Blake is talking about.

So it's, I was joking. It's like the Zoomers found out about Rhodesia. So they'll find footage of what Harare and different parts of Rhodesia looked like during that time.

It was unbelievable. And they'll put edits to it. Usually starts off with if you remember that movie, Blood Diamond with like Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Connelly, and they're at this bar and he goes, and she goes, oh, well, that's something, you know, that's easy for you to say as a white South African. And he goes, white South African, I'm a Rhodesian. And she goes, I thought we said Zimbabwe now.

And he looks at her, he just goes, do we? And then it cuts to like, the music comes in and everybody's like, and it's just showing how nice Rhodesia was when it was, you know, when it was not under communist control. But they're really, really all over TikTok right now. There's something happening with our farmland here in America that isn't always getting attention. The Chinese have been buying up hundreds of thousands of acres of US farmland. They've also taken control over critical supply chains, things like fertilizer, animal feed and farming equipment.

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That is my patriotsupply.com my patriotsupply.com. Yeah, there's a story from the New York Times where they said that Dylan Roof, who did that terrible killing, posted a with a jacket calling the last Rhodesian. So, of course, they're trying to connect. Yeah, yeah. Love of Rhodesia. There's definitely like a few people for whom this is like a kind of aspirational thing in a sort of gross way. I don't think we should deny that.

Sure. What we also shouldn't deny is like they're like to the extent that South Africa remains functional. A lot of it is because of these Afrikaners who have, you know, European English and Afrikaners who have like built up the country and have like worked very hard to sustain it.

And this sort of like Marxist ideology that views any form of like success or any wealth disparity as the greatest crime ever, they will blow the country to smithereens. Well, one of the only other functional Sub-Saharan African nations is Kenya, which is also in the English system. So it's like you look at the way that we do laws and the way that we have customs and a form of government. I mean, the English exports across the world succeeded at the highest clip, I would say, ever.

And what they're doing is trying to dismantle that vestige as well as, you know, drive out the whites and kill the whites. The most successful African countries are often the ones that were the most determined to kind of sustain their European legacy. Like West Africa is not a great place in general. But for about 20 years after independence, probably the most successful one was Ivory Coast, which is so French that they go around making everyone call them Côte d'Ivoire instead of Ivory Coast. And we say Côte d'Ivoire.

Yeah, something, whatever. But also, there's no elephants there that the Ivory Coast name is basically a lie. But anyway. It's because they killed them all for the Ivory Blink. Well, Ivory is pretty cool. So it's understandable. There isn't there's still an ivory embargo in the West. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're trying to make them go extinct, man.

It's not good. I have a whole thought crime on that, which is when it was legal to hunt elephants, there were more elephants. When the poachers now do it, there's less elephants.

Anyway. It's basic economics. Hunters want more. If you want the truth, a lot of it was post independence.

A lot of the order broke down. And so I'm sure that you had a lot more like they would actually police against poaching. Well, no, that's what I'm saying. But because there was a incentive to do that. Well, it was an incentive to keep it on the up and up. Yes. To make it orderly.

There's still incentives. But now what it is is African countries are kind of they lack state capacity. So it's like stopping crime if you're in, you know, well, for example, if you're in a South African city, like they have police. The police are just not super effective.

What is cool, you may like this, though, is in I think in Kenya, maybe some others. But because poachers are so bad and like so aggressive in some African states, I think Kenya, but I just want to preface that I might be wrong. The anti-poaching police have the right to just shoot to kill. Yeah, that's right. Correct.

Yep. And the most effective anti-poaching groups, though, are the mercenaries. And I mean, poaching is a very serious, serious thing in Africa.

It's anyway, sorry. We're going to have rhinos are going to go extinct because our next topic we'll get to the Chinese. They just if there is an animal and it's beautiful and rare and like you'd want to make an animal cracker out of it. The Chinese want to eat it because they think it's an aphrodisiac.

It's a major problem. It is a bad cure for cancer. Mostly aphrodisiacs. Yeah, I thought the whole...

It's typically aphrodisiac. No, it's true. No, when I was in China, I would see it everywhere and you would find people just absolutely swore by it. It's and it's not it's not like a, you know, in some like secret shop where you've got to go for like the curio shop, like it's like it's the 1920s Chinatown or something.

It's just like it's just like all over the place and like regular pharmacies and stuff. Yeah. So now obviously we have they're letting in some of the Afrikaners into the U.S.

Which I'm thrilled about. Yeah. We should take six hundred thousand of them and put them in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania. We have actually a lot here in Arizona. We have a lot of South Africans. Tons of South Africans.

Yeah. I wonder what their voting rates would be. We have a South African on one of our boards.

I wonder if we but you think that is like 80, 20. So some of them are 95. They're all conservative. I don't want to over assume things because some of like some of them are, you know, very devoutly religious in that old Dutch reform sort of way. But the truth is, is like they are kind of also a lot of March liberal in the way like white Europeans are. I don't know the South Africans I've met at the experiences they have, what they disdain. They come here hating race politics.

Every single. That's like one of the things they hate. And it's beyond that, too. It's just the entire cultural of it being anti-Marxist is they are every single one that I've met here in Arizona.

We again, we have a lot. We have a lot of oddly conservative South Africans and they're all vocal. One of the best ear, nose and throat doctors in Scottsdale was a guy by the name is still alive, doctor, head and neck surgery. Dr. Gordon Chait, South African. Great guy. Anyway, so I just happen to know a lot of South Africans. Well, when I was growing up, there was already a lot of South Africans at my school. They're super decent people, though they were good. That was good family, very productive, smart kids. We have to be careful.

So we have to watch out for is thinking on it more. I think the liberal South African Europeans are the English. This is one of the most underrated, weird rivalries in the world. English South Africans and boar Dutch South Africans do not like each other. Blood Diamond was Rhodesia? Probably. I didn't see that movie. Oh, no, it had ties to Rhodesia.

Yeah. OK, well, there's a Rhodesian clip from Blood Diamond that we could play if you guys are interested. Oh, you should totally play it for thirty nine.

Let's go play. I'm from Rhodesia. I get it.

I I thought it was just a movie clip, but it's the tick tock edits that Jack's talking about. We say we say Zimbabwe, don't we? Do we?

Do we? So we South Africans, how good of an actor he is. He's he's like Tom Tom Cruise.

It's like you can make fun of these people, but they're really good to watch. Bad famous actors like Kevin Costner, who's an objectively awful actor, like very bad. And then you like you like Kevin Costner. I don't have strong feelings about him.

He's really hated draft day. You will never see Kevin Costner the same for the same lens when you acknowledge he's a terrible actor. No, he was really bad like Waterworld.

I feel like Gen X would go to the grave defending Kevin Costner. I've always defended Waterworld. I don't have I don't have strong. You like Waterworld, Jack? I love I love Waterworld. Oh, that's people just love terrible. I think it's so I think it's so good. Star Wars Episode three just got re-released and I had to endure people pretending that movie is good. Yeah.

Don't get me started on that. But no, I like I liked Waterworld. Um, obviously, everyone we've covered Yellowstone and the hick livery of that a million times. I thought the postman was good. Remember the Tom Petty scene?

No, but he walks up like, hey, man, I know you. You used to be someone. He's like, not anymore, man. I'm just I'm just anybody else now.

So good. I feel like every Gen X male defends Field of Dreams. But I will say that, like, we made fun of for how bad of an actor was like JFK. He was a terrible actor in that movie. He's just I never watched that. And I guess like older Kevin Kostner is more like regal and more JFK is not a good movie. But another bad actor is Ben Affleck.

He's a terrible. Yes. Yes. One hundred percent.

One hundred percent. Except except except in an accountant where he literally plays someone who has a mental disorder. And I guess the new Bradley Cooper Pearl Harbor. I always bring up the new accountants out, but I haven't seen it yet. But no, the only one I like Ben Affleck in is the accountant where he literally plays someone who is supposed to be like a wooden mute. So he's like neurodivergent with personality issues.

And it's like, oh, yeah, he could play that just fine. Oh, my gosh. The Internet believes that Gwyneth Paltrow is the worst actress ever.

I don't think that's right. I don't. How come how come Gwyneth Paltrow never threw Harvey Weinstein under the bus? Then they say that Keanu Reeves is a bad actor. I think he's a good actor. Keanu Reeves is like he's a bad actor based and smart. He's a bad actor that is like survived. And so therefore he's become like kind of likable for it's become a shtick.

It's become like a staple of our childhood. So it's like, OK, now he was in like The Matrix, which is the no, the worst one, the absolute worst one. And I will I will absolutely I will go to bat for that. He'll die on this hill is Jennifer Lawrence. Jennifer Lawrence.

Yeah, not act. She is horrible. All of her like all of her casting dried up after Harvey Weinstein got arrested and nobody even said anything about it because everybody knew it was going on there. She's objectively just a bad, bad actress.

Yeah, she drives me crazy. What was that? What was the one she got really famous for? The Hunger Games. Hunger Games. You you've you've sometimes you like Hunger Games.

I like it. No, there's good stuff about Hunger Games, but not Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah, I mean, she's well, by the way, the reason you let's just be honest, while Hunger Games is good. Hunger Games is good as Philip Seymour Hoffman. Yeah, Philip Seymour Hoffman is great. Anything one of the greats you want to talk about acting. Anything with Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Blake is uninterested. Well, I've been watching all of the Mission Impossible movies because like the final one is coming out soon. He's so good at that character. He's pretty good in Mission Impossible.

There is that archetype of like the sage kind of like crafty. There's something happening with Charlie. Well, they're talking about bringing back Philip Seymour Hoffman and using the eye. OK, now I've got to stand against this.

No, I don't know. The actors are bad news. Wait, but Charlie, Charlie, how how bad is it that we didn't that we are not going to get in this lifetime? Philip Seymour Hoffman playing Steve Bannon. No, I mean, come on. That's worth AI.

OK, like I only like one. I might do that now. I can't unsee that. Look at this. You got to put the picture up. You got to put the picture up.

Put it up. Yeah, it's it's it's Steve. Like it's literally Steve. I mean, come on. And he would do a marvelous job. You do such a good job. It is that that baby Bannon thing.

It would be like him doing that monologue. I made that I made that this morning. I made it. I made a baby Steven Miller last night to just test it out. And then I made baby Bannon this morning and it did like a million.

Should we do first try to do baby Bannon? What platform do you use to make that which I generate? So it's you have to use a bunch together. So you have to generate a still image of the baby version of someone first. Then you then you get the audio. So you want the actual audio too much work.

OK, Jack, let me just play it for 41. And this is baby Bannon because the facts are on our side. Joe Biden never got 15 million votes, more votes than Barack Obama. Impossible. We didn't pick up net 12 house seats when we lost the presidential election.

We didn't win 19 of the 20 bellwethers and lose the presidency. Impossible. So I made a pen into a crayon.

Yeah, I used this software called Hydra that lets you animate still images. How much time do you spend on this, Jack? Honestly, that that one that one took like 20 minutes.

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You should be to Charlie Kirk dot com. Preborn band. Philip C, but this four forty two, if you throw that image up, that's a pretty like band like that is banned. Again, you have to control the means. I mean, come on.

That's the way you control the mean. You die was a drug. Yeah, it was an oxy over like it was. He was so, you know, he was it was opioid.

Yeah, I think it was an opioid thing. It was a Franklin special. I think he was like the first job, right? One person to job, Frank.

Straight heroin. Great job, Frank. He has one of the greatest scenes ever in Hunger Games when it's just like when he's talking about, you know, the tark. Oh, my God. He was in Moneyball. I forgot about that. Really good in Moneyball. So good when punch drunk love the money. Wow. But boogie night, one of the greatest actors ever.

Yeah, ever. Huge, almost famous. Charlie Town and Mr. Ripley. He's the CIA guy and Charlie before the devil knows you a great idea, Charlie.

It's gonna be a great idea. Well, is it me or has there not been like a cultural transformational movie in like five years? Like everyone gravitates towards it.

Everyone talks about it. Five years? Ten years?

Look at the side by side. It's pretty hard lifetimes. The Paul Thomas Anderson movie. No, like Avatar was the closest I could think of to that. And yet Avatars like had no cultural like sticking point. But Avatar was awful.

Wait, wait, wait. I think it subconsciously convinced people to be environmentalists. Yeah, that was like the end of environmentalism. No, but people were environmentalists in the 90s. The 2000s already existed. It had all these like indigenous people.

Mass adaptation, adoption of climate change didn't come. Isn't there another one coming out though? It was like, it was a virulent subculture. But it was like he had that terrible The Day After Tomorrow movie in 2004.

And like the plot was just like Fern Gully plus Pocahontas. Like Avatar was not kicking off any of that stuff. That was all just James Cameron like absurd fandom.

Made a ton of money. We got all those terrible 3D movies afterwards. But the cultural staying power of it was minimal. Although I do remember there was this extremely bizarre article. It was the it was the highest grossing film ever.

That's the thing though. Like no, no, because it was a roller coaster. People still talk about Titanic. People went to Avatar because it was like a roller coaster. It was like the first big 3D movie. Yeah, it was like those it's like those movies. And James Cameron spent a lot of time by the way in the interim between Titanic and that. Making those like he would make those like movies that you watch at the observatory kind of things. Where you're like oh wow I'm at the planetarium but now I'm underwater. Look at me.

Look at this. Like that's all it was. It was just a series of like scene scapes that looked cool in 3D.

And that's why I did so much business. I was in China when it came out at one point. And I mean it was there'd be theaters in downtown Shanghai where it was the only thing playing on every screen in a 24 screen theater. And the Chinese loved it because they'd never seen anything like that before. But it wasn't because of like the you know the plot or anything like that. Like they could care less.

Like they just thought it was like a cool experience. And then we got Avatar 2 The Way of Water that already came out. It already made over two billion dollars and it was equally irrelevant.

Like or not irrelevant but it had no staying power. I'm like that's what I want to watch this I want to watch The Master again. It's the Scientology movie. I really don't know.

That's so good. So apparently adjusted for inflation Gone with the Wind is still. Yeah Gone with the Wind is still number one. Yeah when you adjust for inflation it's like Gone with the Wind and Star Wars. Who watches these Avengers movies?

Dude I have no idea. Avengers Endgame. Avengers Avatar.

I think Marvel Slop is one of the I just I oh no people love their Marvel Slop. I can watch it once but they've been game like what is going on here. Like they've been going down. Yeah they have. All right we need okay adjusted for inflation.

Now this can all be pretty like misleading because like back in the day a lot of these movies didn't have like total global releases. I think the Godfather is still one of the greatest movies of all time. Oh I could watch. Oh yeah I will die.

I will die on that hill. Godfather one is better than Godfather two. Correct but you know Godfather well let me think about that. Three is the worst in my opinion. I think three is the weakest. Everyone it's a weakest but it's still a good movie.

No I like two because it's not a provocative. So okay I've never talked about Godfather in this show. So the worst part about Godfather three is that Sofia Coppola is in it and the best part of Godfather three is that she gets shot at the end of the Godfather three. She's not that bad in it.

People hate on her but she's not that bad. Let me think about this. The reason I like Godfather two. I think they successfully talked about the back story and they did a really good job of flashbacking. That's my problem with it. You don't like it. Well we get this in a lot of movies now where people will be like this movie was good because it explained how a thing happened and it built.

Who cares. No I think Godfather two is the same. Blake is exactly correct. Back to the Future two. But that wasn't the only part of the movie.

It wasn't but that was the point of Back to the Future two because it changes the stuff. I think Godfather I think the stuff with Corleone is good. I think the stuff with Michael is good but they aren't really that strongly related to each other. I'm sure some film nerd can say like oh these things play together. But really for the most part they don't and there's no like you could tell the entire story that was in Godfather part two from Michael's perspective without needing the veto stuff and really the only part where the overlap matters is at the end where there's the flashback and it's like right after he's killed his brother.

His brother is the only one who sticks up for him when he joins the military. Like that's a great scene. That's what makes any of the prelude stuff. Yeah but that makes the whole movie more. Yeah but none of none of you know the original point is like there's no dramatic open with a knife has any. You're just getting more information that you already knew that doesn't actually add to the dramatic tension of the events that are ongoing. Whereas in the first movie it is a wholly self-contained film within one timeline as opposed to needing these like bridges to go into into the past that don't end up going away. Also you get rid of Robert De Niro.

And I think that's something we can all agree on. Well De Niro isn't Godfather 2 right. Yeah yeah he's he's not the same thing as you cut.

No that's what I'm saying. If you cut the flashbacks out you would get rid of Robert De Niro. I'm sorry. Hot take. He's actually a good actor. Do you want my really controversial movie take?

No I know but he deserves to be. I don't like Goodfellas. I actively I agree. I think it's overrated. Yeah like I'm not a huge fan.

Producer Foz is like banging on the glass right now. Uh the the one with Jack Nicklaus is better than Goodfellas. What's that one called?

The one we talked about with the Boston one. Oh yeah The Departed? Much better. The Departed has The Departed. The Departed is so good I love The Departed.

So first of all this is me being super like Midwestern German. I generally don't like mob movies. He's a good actor.

I'm sorry I hate how good of actor he is. I generally don't like mob movies because I personally watch them and I just want the police to kick in the door and like gun everyone down for the sake of law and order. So I can't relate to these stories. So you don't like The Sopranos? I've never seen The Sopranos. Breaking Bad? Uh never seen Breaking Bad. See this is we've got to see.

They don't they don't fully appeal to me. See all these uh that's so interesting. So so that like The Departed so you know what's interesting with The Departed.

You might want to go watch this. It's a remake of a Hong Kong movie. That's right. And the Hong Kong movie is called Infernal Affairs I believe. Oh it's Infernal yeah Infernal Affairs yeah. I haven't seen it but my understanding is a big issue with it is in The Infernal Affairs the Matt Damon equivalent character is more sympathetic than he is in The Departed. So he survives I believe the end of Infernal Affairs but it's like OK. I think it's something like the you know the Leonardo DiCaprio guy dies but the Matt Damon equivalent like goes straight as a cop. I'm going off memory here it's been a long time.

But then when they made it in America Matt Damon guy was so despicable that no one would tolerate him surviving that movie. So they clearly just ran out of it. They were like how are we going to resolve this? Kill everyone. And they just killed everybody. The amount of information you retain is unbelievable. Infernal Affairs.

Infernal Affairs. No he's right. I've seen I've seen the Hong Kong version with the you know it's like it was one of the movies I would watch when I was doing like language learning even though I don't speak Cantonese but you can still do it with the Mandarin subtitles. They're similar and it you're right. Like the Matt Damon character is like he's just not a douchebag. He is like he is in the in the departed version the departed version you want him to get shot.

And then in this it's like oh he's actually kind of cool like he's actually he's he's like it's more like he's seen as like an an upstanding you know honorable police officer who's put into a bad situation if that makes sense. Now are we Pulp Fiction fans? Oh yeah. I love Pulp Fiction. It's Trump's favorite movie. Is it really Trump's favorite movie? Yeah.

Really? It's not like Phantom of the Opera or something? I never knew that was Trump's favorite movie.

Wow. Well there is a Phantom of the Opera movie but it sucks. The Phantom of the Opera movie this is going to annoy you again because I remember it. So the original Phantom of the Opera the musical takes place in the 1890s.

Yeah. In the movie version they changed the year to 1870 for no reason. And that was the one year they should not have picked because in 1870 Paris is surrounded by the Prussian army and they're all starving and they're eating the animals in the city zoo. It would be like if you made a movie that was like set in 1955 Germany and you just moved it to 1945 for no reason and there was no mention of World War II at all and everything was just normal. I don't find that annoying for the record.

I think it's really intriguing that you have all this information. Well but at the same time it's the real issue with that isn't the dating of it. It was that and by the way Emily Rossum is fantastic in that. It was that Gerard Butler can't sing for all the fun that he is and the great characters that he's played in like 300 or anything else. I'm sorry but like I don't want to be like King Leonidas should not be singing love songs you know to Christine Daae like it just it really didn't work. It really didn't work. Well that was a good sign. That was good. Yeah. Thanks for taking us down movie movie.

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Thank you for smoking. Die Hard 3 is really funny because Die Hard has the best TV edits. So like in Die Hard 3 remember the villain makes him like wear the sign. I don't remember it. I gotta see. He has the sign that says I hate n-words in the town and then on TV they edit it with digitally to say I hate everyone and it makes it really funny because then this crowd is surrounding him and like threatening to like you know kill him or beat the crap out of him.

It's like they're really militant about him saying he hates everyone. The first Die Hard is one of the greatest. And then on the first one when he says you know Yippie Kay Yay you know. Mother MF.

They change it to Yippie Kay Yay Mr. Falcon. Wait I have a thought crime on this. I have a thought crime on this. My thought crime on this is that I like Lethal Weapon and the Lethal Weapon series better than Die Hard. No no no no no no no. That's a hot thing. What's your name?

I've always liked it better. Where's the co-host Rene Russo or Rene right? Full Circle. Who are the bad guys in Lethal Weapon 2? I don't remember. The South Africans. The South Africans.

And they have diplomatic immunity and they're using it to do crimes. But Blake who are the bad guys in who are the real bad guys based on in Die Hard 1? Uh Die Hard 1 it was a bunch of irritating Germans.

It was. But who are they based the Red Army. Right but they're based on the Red Army faction who are an actual left wing like KGB front group in that operate in West Germany. There's such a an op on the the modern American mind of who we villainize because of these movies right. Like it is plausible that we hate South Africans or a certain cohort hate South Africans simply because of the movie depictions and things like that.

I mean we really have to be on guard for that right. Uh I mean we I grew up hating Germans when I was like 12 years old because of all the World War 2 movies. If you want really what was your guys's favorite movie though.

Same. Um Godfather or Lord of the Rings. Oh no we'll go down that track. Is the Godfather gay? No Godfather is the least gay. It's a movie filled with Italians being emotional.

No. You're just being ridiculous. With Italians being emotional. Dude this is the thing.

Italian men can get away with way more effeminate stuff and still be straight as an arrow. People are going to laugh. I like the Dark Knight. I think it's a great one. Oh the Dark Knight's classic. I could watch the Dark Knight anytime. I agree with you.

It's really hard for me to pin one down. I was going to go with the Godfather 2. I like it better than 1 but I love 1. And then I was going to go with back. This is going to get me in trouble. Back to the Future 2.

2. I love going to the future. Yes back to the future 2.

I love like the hoverboard stuff. And but like that's just like watchability. One's better. No he goes to the future and then goes back in time.

It's like it's got everything. I'm going to have another really terrible take. You guys are going to hate me for this. But Good Will Hunting. I still love that movie. I know.

I know. What is wrong with you? My second top movie is Fury. I love Fury.

What is wrong with you? Oh Fury's great. Yeah Fury's fantastic. Fury's been a villain and who we're allowed to have as villains.

It's not. Did you ever see Ben Affleck in it? And terrible Ben Affleck movies. Pre Ben Affleck and J.

Lo and all that. Terrible Ben Affleck movies that also go into who we can have as villains. Did you ever see The Sum of All Fears? Yeah I hate that movie. So The Sum of All Fears the book by Tom Clancy. The villains who get a nuclear bomb and they like use it to blow up the Denver Broncos I think. The villains in that are Islamic terrorists and when they made the movie in 2002 they were like we can't attack the religion of peace that's not okay. So they got rid of the Islamic terrorists and they made them neo-Nazis instead.

And then he was also on Bill Maher being like you can't say that about Muslims. One good Ben Affleck movie that doesn't get enough appreciation? The Town.

He went back to Boston. The Town's all right. The Town's good. It's legitimately a good film.

It's all right. It's a solid film. You know who's one of those underrated actors? I was looking at Russell Crowe. Russell Crowe.

Russell Crowe is a hero. Well The Gladiator is still one of my top. And by the way I wanted to say they don't make movies like that anymore. The new Gladiator is also terrible. I didn't say Braveheart but I thought it was too cliche. So Ridley Scott I'm sure the original Gladiator is good. Alien's good. Napoleon and Gladiator 2 are two of the worst movies I have ever seen in my life. If you ever want Charlie if we need to fill time you can give me a camera and a microphone and I could go for an hour straight uninterrupted on how bad Napoleon was.

That was a terrible movie. We did that before. Now here's the question we did but we didn't go along enough on it.

We totally did. Going back to go back to Russell Crowe though because you know we got to say it's just weird though when I see like the current like big fat Russell Crowe as opposed to like the Gladiator Russell Crowe because that's like in my head that's always who he'll be. But I guess he's on that like Taylor Swift tour diet or something because he's just all chubbed up now and he's in those.

He got fat during a beautiful line which was like right next to him. Russell Crowe's gained a ton of weight. The Shawshank Redemption I forgot. That video of him driving driving into a little scooter in the Pope's Exorcist is like the funniest thing.

That became this meme for a while because it's just like it's big fat Russell Crowe driving a tiny little Vespa around Vatican City in you know in a priest's castle. You know it's another reservoir dogs. Great movie. Fight Club.

Oh yeah. Do you guys like Reservoir Dogs? Love Reservoir Dogs.

So I'm sure it's fine. I haven't seen it. I overall don't. I overall don't like Quentin Tarantino.

Why? I feel like whenever I'm watching a Quentin Tarantino movie I can't help escaping the feeling. This is a movie made by a really weird person. He's a sick puppy. Like he's obsessed with feet.

Is objectively good. He's like obsessed with feet and it's like oh yeah he's got like a toe fetish. This is a real thing.

Toe fetish. He has people like talk forever in a way that I don't find interesting. I like Kill Bill. I just I just remembered the Russell Crowe Roger Ailes. Did you watch The Loudest Voice?

No. No one's watched this. You got to watch it. Wait he interviewed him or something? No he played Roger Ailes.

It's not a it's not a great depiction of Fox and all that stuff so it's not like. Oh man. Do you guys remember the first time you saw Memento? Do you remember that?

Oh yeah that was my moment. Even if I had I would have forgotten it because I don't remember things. I don't want to ruin it but like you should watch Memento. Speaking of speaking of Quentin Tarantino do you know you know that new movie Sinners that's out right now is a total ripoff of Dust Till Dawn? No.

It's it's the vampire one that he did in with with George Clooney by the way who has been in the news this week for Joe Biden apparently that it's it's the new movie Sinners Michael B. Jordan is kind of like a South Africa version of that because it's literally just a movie about instead of like two guys trying to fight against vampires in a bar it's two black guys killing white vampires in a also in a bar. I missed that last part. Also in a bar he said. Oh also wait. We do actually have topics that we were prepared for should we should we move on? We have meetings like stacked so let's go five more minutes do a quick super pick your best one.

I literally have three more meetings. So so welcome to the they brought they made Pete Rose eligible for the Hall of Fame. Did you hear about. Let's go through this again. Charlie. They they announced that the ban Manfred the commissioner of baseball announced that they are revoking the ban on you are so with Pete Rose. Yeah. Like a hero like you know about the Menendez brothers if you want.

Do you want to do that. The Menendez brothers should never bet against this team. Most hits in MLB history bet against 17 alt 17 time all-star all-star five different positions. The guy three time world champion. The guy that bans him died the next year. Two gold gloves silver slugger World Series MVP. So there was another guy like it was there was another guy that Rob Manfred revoked the ban on.

I'm trying to remember the name but he was he was involved in corrupting the morals of a 14 year old girl would you at least oppose putting that guy in. Yes I know who that is. Pete Rose. OK well Rose also did that. Can you prove it. Well he admitted it in court. But well I mean it depends on my belief.

I think it is what. Well you know was he like criminally convicted for being a pedophile. He was sued for it later and admitted that they had a relationship. It was the 70s. It was just going I'm not going I'm OK. I'm kidding. Like I don't know. I don't know that part of it. That's a lesser known part of the discussion candidly.

Well that was that baseline. It was his prohibition based on that. No that just came out later in addition to all the gambling he did. He just doesn't seem to have been a very good guy unfortunately. And he totally but not great people are still allowed to be in the Hall of Fame.

Yeah it's not great people who not a character to keep in mind. Keep in mind for me the key thing about Pete Rose when he says he didn't bet on against his own team is that he lied at every step of the process. He said I don't bet. And then he said I bet but not on baseball. And then he said I bet on baseball but not on with my in games my own team was involved in and we finally got up to the point of I bet on my own team but never against my own team. That is when he accepted a ban to stop any further investigation and that's key to me. He took the ban to avoid any further investigation which could have been criminal in nature. So he took this ban to stay out of prison and then he suddenly tries to have it both ways by coming back 15 years later and saying now I'm going to admit I bet but not not on my own team just I'm going to admit betting or not not against my own team. I'll admit I bet including on my own team.

But please don't do all the you know now please stop the best. He always was just he would lie on everything. And then when he thought there was some advantage to admitting some part of it he would finally cop to it. I just think so.

I just think he has no credibility for that sort of thing. And then he also just that's not what the Hall of Fame is about. The Hall of Fame is about the people who should steroid guys. Look look like there's a point to their performance.

Babe Ruth was like really objectively a bad dude. Like he like. Yeah. No. Yeah. Baby what did he do.

Have you not researched anything about baby. What did he do. The guy like lived in whorehouses and like and just drank and drink himself to the ball club.

No no no. He drank. He would be he would be he would be literally on the floor and they would pick him up. He'd go up and swing and hit the ball. He was he was still growing more impressive as a baseball player.

Yeah but everything you're saying is like he's just a bad dude. Babe Ruth was like I don't think having alcohol is comparable. No he lived in on. He was a raging alcoholic. He lived in like treated in literal the slums with with it like the whore. I'm telling you like whorehouses like this is what he did. And what you're saying is just because he's a bad guy. He should.

We should still celebrate Babe Ruth as the baseball baseball player that he was. Got to go. Sorry guys.

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