Four Years Later, What We Know About mRNA Shots ft. Bret Weinstein

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Joining us for the full hour is a friend and a fellow traveler in the fight for the West and for liberty. Despite the fact that we have fundamental disagreements on certain things, including some metaphysical things, we agree on the really big stuff, like saving Western civilization. And he's a great man. Joining us now is Brett Weinstein. Brett, welcome to the program, evolutionary biologist and also a fighter for all things good and true.

Brett, I first want to start by complimenting you. Your conversation with Tucker Carlson was so refreshing and was so interesting. And as someone who I am deeply religious, the amount of respect and tenderness that you showed towards those of us that are religious and not dismissing the important questions or our deep faith was awesome and rare. So thank you for that. And I hope that you received similar feedback. Well, thanks for having me, Charlie.

It's great to see you. And I appreciate what you said about my conversation with Tucker. Let me just emphasize to your audience that the divide that has existed between scientific materialists, for lack of a better term, and people of faith has been extremely destructive.

And a lot of the responsibility for that falls on the head of strident atheists who have completely failed to understand the importance of religious faith in the story of human evolution. So while I know that we disagree on a few fundamental matters, we don't disagree on the questions to human well-being. Absolutely. And that is quite the segue to what we're going to be talking about this hour. And so I was texting you back and forth because in that conversation with Tucker, the COVID vaccine and the COVID shot came up as a topic. We had a guest on last week, the commissioner of the FDA, Marty Makary, who signaled that probably maybe the COVID shot will be removed from the childhood vaccination schedule. This is a must. This is an imperative.

Brett, let's just kind of get through the facts here. It's still on the childhood vaccination schedule. What is the significance of that? Let's start there.

Well, there is a tremendous significance at multiple different levels. And I will say, I'm sure we will talk later in the hour about President Trump and his relationship to these vaccines and what I think it implies for his second term. But the fact of the mRNA vaccines being on the childhood schedule is not his responsibility. And his ability to right this great wrong is a tremendous opportunity for him.

I hope he will recognize that. First thing to say, though, is that there was never any justification for injecting kids with these mRNA shots. Healthy young people tolerated COVID very easily from the beginning. So there was no argument that we were protecting them by doing so. The only argument you could make that might have justified it was the idea that there were unhealthy old people who were vulnerable and that somehow vaccinating the young would protect them. We now know better than that because we know the shots don't block transmission. But even if we thought that they were going to block transmission, there has never been a moral society that has decided to risk the health of young people to protect the old. It's supposed to be exactly the inverse. Can we just pause on that for a second?

Because we have a full hour to explore this. That's what was so creepy about COVID was the moral inversion where our society basically decided to sacrifice the young to save the old. Is that a fair characterization? It is fair and obscene that we ever contemplated this. The old should always be willing to die to protect the young. That's how it is. That's the basis of a moral society. And the idea that without comment, we inverted that is an indicator of just how sick our society has become. And the justification, just so we're clear, we're still seeing the after effects of this. College professors, high school teachers say this is a disaster from what happened in COVID. Kids locked up for those one to two years are all messed up. And interestingly, they're actually gravitating more towards the conservative message because of the the disaster that they've experienced in their generation.

So that just to kind of put one more point on this, though. Why was there not more pushback on the moral stance of this during COVID? Have we done a good enough job of explaining that? Because I still we did this crazy thing. We locked down the country.

We did all this. I don't feel as if we've had a truth and reconciliation commission, if you will, post some of the greatest mistakes in the modern era. Yes, it has been fended off by people who have a lot of explaining to do and who have never apologized for the damage that they did to children and to the whole of society. I think it is urgent that we have that discussion, whatever the answer may be, whether it vindicates them or causes us to understand the full depths of what they did.

We have to know so that we don't repeat those errors. And I don't think we ever had an open conversation about any of the moral inversions that took place in the COVID era. This was done with the tools of a witch hunt that simply demonized anybody who departed from this manufactured consensus. And, you know, the truth is that pressure has never fully lifted.

I will tell you that my channel, Dark Horse, is still fully demonetized and apparently capped in its growth by YouTube. They've never explained themselves and they've just simply left that in place. And more to the point, the vaccine injured are still being gaslit about their profound injuries. These are people who deserve every bit of help that we can give them.

And it doesn't matter whether they were vanishingly rare or extremely common, whether there were five or five hundred thousand of them. We owe people who were injured by these shots every attempt to make them healthy. And instead, we are pretending that their injuries are in their head. And it's it's simply ghastly.

So let us return to a deliberate moral society in which we talk about our differences and we investigate what we've done and what we thought it was going to accomplish and what it actually accomplished, because that's the only way we're going to move forward as a society. So we have this problem. How many kids have received the mRNA COVID shot? When I mean kids, I mean under the age of two.

I don't know. But the fact that they're being recommended by the CDC for children above six months of age suggests that the number is going to be. Surprisingly substantial, because put yourself in the mindset of a young parent, maybe even a first time parent who's being told by a doctor that in order to do right by your child's lifetime health, you have to give them a series of vaccinations that these things are safe and effective. They've been thoroughly tested. If you don't give them to your child, your child is going to be at risk and it's going to be your fault. Most parents don't have the wherewithal to ask the doctor the kinds of questions that that doctor needs to be asked, even if they knew what those questions are, which most of them don't.

So I would imagine that although in the general population, the number of people receiving these shots has dropped down to the low double digits with respect to children, newborns, the number is bound to be substantial because, you know, nobody wants to go up against the CDC's recommendation. There's so much there. What you just said, that's worthy of unpacking. I don't know if we have time this hour. We have a break. We are going to go through the breaks here to be respectful of your time, which is the emotional and medical blackmail that some pediatricians exert over parents with their kids when it comes to the covid shot. It's disgusting. It's wrong where they'll say, well, if you don't take the covid shot, this, this, this, this, this, this can happen.

Not just the lost jobs, but they'll make you feel as if you're abusing your child as a parent. Some of these pediatricians will pull rank and say you are going to be guilty of a crime against humanity if you don't give them the mRNA shot, which, based on my understanding and based on what you've said, we'll pick this up in a second. The terrible irony is it actually hurts their ability to fight covid.

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Effectively, doctors are working on commission and most patients have no idea. But in the case of the covid shots, we know now that they do damage to the immune system in two ways. They cause immune dysregulation. So a system that is built to be able to fend off any disease that you should encounter in life is becoming less capable because it's confused. But more to the point, we know that anyone who gets two or more of these shots starts to produce something called IGG4. Now, IGG4 is a special class of antibody that the immune system produces when it needs to turn itself down. And so what has long been known is that, in fact, these covid shots make you more likely to catch covid.

One of the reasons is likely to be the production of this special IGG4 antibody, which triggers the immune system to downregulate. So as soon as we knew that that was a consequence, nobody should have received any more of these shots because we have no idea in the long run what their impact is going to be. And the expectation is it should be negative. Do you think the consensus growing amongst Bobby Kennedy, Marty Makary and Jay Bhattacharya is consistent with what you just articulated?

Yes, and I believe they are stuck in a difficult position because of the political realities of the jobs they now hold. But yes, I believe these results are sufficiently straightforward and their implications sufficiently stark that we would be in agreement. I want to talk about the political realities, because you said something very interesting previously, and I want to hone in on that, that President Trump was conned by some of these vaccine companies. And I actually when I sit with President Trump, I do give him credit. His intention and his ability to do something fast was great. He was lied to, though, by these vaccine companies.

Under normal circumstances, what he did was awesome. And I think that that is an important component that needs to be repeated. Let's talk about the politics of it. President Donald Trump has been doing a great job fulfilling promises on this. I'm going to both publicly and privately be pushing this one to try to get it off the childhood vaccination schedule, which I'm told also comes with certain immunity and legal protections.

I've heard that debated and maybe you can prove me right or prove me wrong on that. But I think we also need to show a great deal of not just compassion, but understanding President Trump's position here. He says, look, the nation was in a stated crisis at the time, whether it was a legitimate crisis or not, we now can look back. But it felt like a crisis. Therefore, it's a crisis.

It was a frenzy. He believes and he's right that he brought in almost all these big companies and got them to do something fast and got them to do it, looking through a prism of someone who is going to be soon to be 79 years old, that vaccines are good and vaccines are necessary. And he got them to do it and bring it to market. However, what they didn't tell him was all of this ridiculous technology behind it and the nefarious action. And I think that there's a great opportunity for him to save lots of lives and also just. Show that this shot should be nowhere near children. Do you agree with that assessment and also talk about the liability protection, Dr. Weinstein?

I would agree and I would go even further. I feel a lot of compassion for President Trump. He did do something remarkable in his response to the emergency that we at least believed we had at that point. It wasn't his failure. He's not a biologist. He's not a doctor. He's not a vaccinologist. He can hardly be expected to understand the hazards that were lurking inside of this platform. But it wasn't just the companies that lied to him. It was actually his deputies, federal employees, including the most highly paid federal employee of all. Dr. Fauci lied to him about the situation that we were in and about the safety and efficacy of these M.R.N.A.

shops. If I were him, I would be proud of the accomplishment of getting them to market so quickly. And I would be livid with the people who conned him.

Absolutely. I would also be very interested in getting to the bottom of how that happened. He was lied to by Pfizer.

We know it. He was lied to not just on the testing, but on the timeline and the efficacy of it. And so and I have faith based on what Dr. Makaria said. I've not had a chance to talk to the president on this. Again, I have nothing to gain here except that this is the right decision. And so let's let's let's zero in on another element here, though, which I think is very important.

So when it comes to children, though, what what is it? If you were to strongman the argument, Brett, because I always like to do this. What is the strongman argument from like that, you know, Peter Hotez or whatever, you know, who's always on TV of why on earth does a child even need a covid shot? What is the best possible argument that one could make? I'm a huge fan of the idea of steel manning your opponent's argument, but I have a requirement. I think steel manning is only appropriate when your opponent is making an argument in good faith. And it is absolutely clear to me that Peter Hotez and Paul Offit are making arguments in bad faith. I don't think it is possible to make a credible good faith argument for injecting an MRA covid shot into a healthy child. I don't think it's possible.

If I could come up with something, I would do it just for the exercise. But I really think I really think it is outside the scope of of the process of steel manning in order to understand, because deep down they know that these shots are going to kill and injure children who would otherwise tolerate covid just fine. And, you know, that's on them. So just reiterating on the liability protection, if it's removed from the childhood vaccination schedule, what does that mean for potential legal liability for these companies? Well, people need to understand that there is a strange nuance in the law. Any shot that is on the childhood vaccine schedule carries full legal liability protection, even in the form injected into adults. So these companies have an incentive to put this on the childhood vaccine schedule, even if there is no medical or epidemiological justification for doing so. By doing so, their adult vaccines escape lawsuits.

Now, in the case of the covid vaccines, I believe there is a double immunity that they are protecting, but it is hard to nail down the details because they've played a shell game with us. What they did was they sought EUA, that is emergency use authorization for the initial shots in the early parts of covid. And that EUA carried liability protection of its own. Then they got approval from the FDA in a more normal version of the process. And that should have removed the liability protection that came from the EUA version of the shot. But they have continued to inject the pre license or licensure version of the shot, the EUA version. So I think the answer is that ironically, it's difficult to figure out whether the removal of the covid shots from the childhood vaccine schedule, which is an obvious thing to do if you're interested in improving the health of Americans, whether or not that would return the ability to sue these companies for harms or not.

My guess is they're leaving it legally ambiguous because they intend to use that backup argument if they are ever called onto the carpet for the injuries that they have caused. And it would just think about how sinister it is. So we want to keep something on a vaccination schedule that's bad because we're afraid we might be open to legal protection. Just like if I were to steel man the argument, though, to strongman it, they would say, well, this vaccine was approved unanimously by the FDA CDC board.

You remember that vote? Are you trying to say that there's a conspiracy amongst all that? That's what that's what people would possibly say. How what is your best response to that?

Well, I have I have two responses. One is that the word conspiracy has become fraught. But in business, there are secrets and strategies. And that happens both when a product is brought to market that's on the up and up and good for people. And when the product is diabolical and there has to be a way to keep the cost of the liability manageable. So the fact that people in business are strategizing in an effort to make their business profitable shouldn't surprise anyone. What should shock us is that in this case, keeping these vaccines on the childhood schedule in order to maintain liability protection implies a willingness to maim and kill children. Children are by definition innocent. They are also by definition not capable of informed consent. So to do this is is diabolical.

That I mean, I completely and totally agree. And so it's this big. It keeps coming back to this moral question of why are we so willingly kind of throwing our children away for our own selfish ambition? Do you think the country of 50 years ago would have put up with this morally?

I mean, I don't know. I think this has opened our eyes to what's been going on behind the scenes. If we've been paying attention, my my sense is probably not. I think the country of 50 years ago was a much more sober and reasonable place. But whatever's going on, I think we need to get to the bottom of it. This has to not be allowed to happen again. And I would I would also point out that much effort has been spent to get people to assume that the problem with the mRNA COVID shots was the choice of the spoke spike protein.

This is not the reality. The reality is that the platform itself causes causes arbitrary damage around the body, which is why the list of symptoms for the vaccine injured is so large and hard to define. This is capable of destroying tissue in any organ in your body, including your heart, including your nervous system. It's capable of causing cancers. It's capable of causing neurological dysfunction. It's capable of causing dysregulation of immunity. And all of those things are extremely destructive of the quality of life.

And in many cases, they can end it. So we have to be aware that while we are worried about the COVID shots on the childhood vaccine schedule, the industry is interested in reformulating every shot in their arsenal on the mRNA platform. And we must not allow that to happen. Has this made you rethink other vaccines?

Yes, unfortunately, it has. And I've learned a ton about the fact that what I understand is that the mechanism of vaccines to be is sound scientifically, but the formulations, the other ingredients in them, things like adjuvants are extremely dangerous. And if I could just say before we end the segment, I'm here in Austin for the premiere of a marvelous documentary about the vaccine injured from the COVID campaign. It's called Follow the Silenced.

And you can watch the premiere of it tonight at 7 p.m. Eastern at followthesilenced.com. I think it will give people a real sense for how much harm was done and how much we are compounding that harm by gaslighting the vaccine injured. It's time for this to stop. And it's time for President Trump to realize the existence of these shots on the childhood schedule is not his responsibility, but he's going to inherit responsibility for harm to children who are injected from this point forward if he doesn't get them pulled. I think I think we're moving in the right direction.

I do. I want to keep diving into this because there's even more specifics about the shot that you need to know about. The world is waking up to the power of gold. National banks are scrambling to secure it, according to the World Gold Council. Central banks added 1000 tons of gold in 2024, the third straight year of net gold buying.

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Shouldn't you be looking into doing that, too? Dr. Weinstein, remind the audience how you got into this in the first place, because actually it was your Dark Horse podcast that is now demonetized, where you had Dr. Malone, I remember it vividly. It was three weeks out from my wedding and I was listening to this. I followed you for years, but I always thought that you were just a liberal and that's fine, but a free speech liberal. And you were saying stuff that nobody else was saying. And there was a pattern recognition happening with you and Dr. Malone. I was like, whoa, this is bad. So just kind of retell that story briefly and then also follow the silence, please.

Sure. Well, I was going to have Steve Kirsch on my show. He's a technologist, the inventor of the optical mouse. And he had discovered some very shocking patterns with respect to the harms of these mRNA COVID shots early on.

But I was concerned that as a technologist, he wasn't in a great position to address these things. And he suggested that Robert Malone, his friend, come on. And I'd never heard of Robert Malone before.

I think almost nobody had. And he told me that Robert Malone was in fact the inventor of the mRNA technology at the heart of the shots, which I found hard to believe. But I checked into it and the story was absolutely correct. To make a long story short, Robert and Steve came on my podcast. We did it live on YouTube and it resulted in YouTube threatening the channel. They pulled down the video, they demonetized the channel and they threatened to remove us completely, which we were able to stave off when I went on Jill Rogan's program.

And I think that caused YouTube substantial embarrassment. But nonetheless, on the show that Steve and Robert and I did together, it became very clear to me that Robert Malone is exactly what he says and that his understanding of the danger of these shots is profound. For him to show up as a adversary of the technology that he invented, because it's not safe enough to be injected into humans or indeed into other living creatures is remarkable. And it has completely changed the status of the dissident movement with respect to COVID. Now, Charlie, you mentioned the vaccine injured, and I will say that as much as the biological details of the harm done to the body is fascinating to me, I am shocked by the tragedy of the vaccine injured and what we have done to them. Anybody who thought they were doing their part by getting this shot and then found themselves injured deserves our compassion and our help.

And it doesn't matter how many of them there are. Now, I'm in Austin for the premiere of a documentary called Follow the Silenced. You can watch that premiere tonight at followthesilenced.com at 7 p.m. Eastern. It will be followed by a panel discussion hosted by me where I will talk to some of the vaccine injured. And I think once people realize what these people have been put through, they will have they will finally understand what's been going on with respect to hiding the damage of these shots.

And and just you say something that's really important there, the gaslighting. These these are people that have been some of which can't walk. They've been paralyzed. They have myocarditis. Some of them have postural orthostatic tachycaria syndrome. They have all sorts of litany of issues. And we don't even know that to the extent these I mean, they're going to keep on popping up and popping up. You mentioned informed consent, which I really like.

I think that it's a really good framing. Children definitionally at the age of eight months do not have informed consent. A lot of the vaccine injured, by the way, also didn't have informed consent because they didn't know what the heck was being put in their bodies. So you have to get it. You have to get it mandatory.

You have no choice whatsoever. And so the informed consent component of this, we shouldn't the moral principle be as long. We should only put things into young people's bodies that we are beyond 100 percent positive are not going to harm them. And somebody said something recently about DNA contamination.

What is that? And I have a second follow up on that. What is this DNA contamination issue?

Well, let me let me address the multiple things that you raise. Informed consent is the central principle of modern medicine. Literally, after World War Two hanged seven doctors for violating the informed consent of their patients, even though it had not been codified, which it now has in the Nuremberg Code. Informed consent could not possibly have been reached in the case of the covid vaccines. No one on earth knew what they were going to do long term. And as the evidence for harm accumulated, it was buried by the powers that be so that no patient was informed, even if they consented, they were not in a position to do it from a position of knowledge.

So it was a breach of a role hanging offense. And then to compound this, I could go on for hours about the fate of the vaccine injured, but just understanding that when the vaccine injured finally came to understand that they weren't individual cases, that there were, in fact, tens of thousands of people suffering from the same system from the same symptoms. When they gathered on Facebook, the government strong armed Facebook into removing the discussion groups in which they were learning to help themselves out. Can you imagine that you would take people who were having some terrifying experience in the aftermath of a shot and you would prevent them from talking to each other in order to protect your position in the market?

I can't really even find the words to describe how horrifying that is. Now, you asked about DNA contamination. DNA contamination is largely something we are aware of because of the work of Kevin McKernan, who has discovered that although the shots were licensed based on one technology for their production, a very expensive technology, the manner of production was changed in the aftermath of them being licensed for distribution.

And that new technology is cheaper and involves the use of DNA plasmids. These DNA plasmids are not being removed from the shots that are ultimately injected into people. And so while the label on the shot says it's mRNA, they actually contain DNA, including something called the SV40 promoter, which is actually a known carcinogen.

This is a promoter from a monkey virus that is getting into people's bodies, and it is fully capable of changing DNA in their cellular genomes. Now, I know that all sounds very complicated, but the thing to understand here is that as bad as it is to inject these things into adults, when you inject something into a child that can modify the genome in their cells, it has a much greater effect because those cells go on to produce a large number of daughter cells as the child grows. So we're seeing the harms in adults, but the harms in children ought to be much greater. And the bait and switch that they played with their process one and process two shots create even more jeopardy for children.

The younger, the worse the jeopardy. So now we're getting towards an even more fundamental truth, which is should the mRNA technology continue to be used? Because they're now planning more mRNA vaccines. This is not the first. This is not the last.

This is the trial run. Or should we suspend or disallow this technology? And the proponents say, you don't understand.

This is the an amazing thing. It conforms to your DNA. And you as an evolutionary biologist, I can imagine just the sirens are going off. Should we suspend use of mRNA technology?

A hundred percent. There is no way to make a shot on the mRNA platform that is not going to do damage across the body. And the reason is because the shots don't stay where you inject them. And that once they escape the injection site, what they do is they invade whatever cells they encounter. They trigger those cells to produce a foreign protein, which causes your own immune system to target those tissues and destroy them. There are places in your body where you can tolerate that. And there are other places in your body where you can't.

So you're rolling the dice every time you get one of these shots. And it has nothing to do with it being for COVID. So the fact that there is this momentum is really about the fact that the industry knows how much money can be made by reformulating shots on the mRNA platform. It's not about human well-being. And it will cause exactly the opposite.

I would invite people to look at Robert Malone's most recent post on his sub stack where he describes the industry trade group that is responsible for managing the image of mRNA technology. These people know what they're doing. They understand how much money they stand to make by doing it. And they are in some sense gaslighting the whole of civilization and the federal government in order to get it done.

It's deeply immoral and we should spare no effort to prevent them from succeeding. I want to spend some time at five minutes at the end of the hour. And thank you, Dr. Weinstein. I know you're very busy. I know you have the premier here and you have a lot going on, but this is critical. By the way, we're going to post this entire conversation on our podcast page. But I just told our team we're post this whole thing on X, the entire conversation. I want the world to see it.

I want this to get a million views, two million views. We never we must never do that. We're just going to put that up there, though, so the whole world can just kind of fast forward, go through it, because there's so much depth that we've covered here. But at the end of the conversation, I want to I want to repeat the call to action. I also want to talk about how we are in a, I would say, blessed, you would probably say fortunate position that we have a team in D.C. that is really, really good on this.

Bhattacharya and Marty Makary and Bobby Kennedy. We could not ask for a better team as a baseline to get this done. And so we need to be very thankful for that. And we need a whole widespread medical medical reset. But the other part of this, which one works in the other, is the assault on freedom of speech and the censorship around this topic. I don't think we've really reconciled that.

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So, Dr. Weinstein, it's a very simple question. Has anybody shown any contrition? Any apology for what has happened that you know of?

It's shocking how few indications there have been. I've heard calls for us to let bygones be bygones. And Ron and I seen a lot of scrambling by people in the middle ground, people who want to scold the dissidents and scold the system and thereby ascend to positions of power. But I must tell you, if you want this not to happen again, you actually have to confront what it is that the dissidents discovered. The dissidents have to be understood to have been right in order to see how dangerous it was to allow the system to silence them during the pandemic. And frankly, many of the things that we now agree to, things like the fact that this disease appears to have emerged from a laboratory, those things are only known to the public because of the work of the dissidents.

Likewise, the damage done by the MRNA shops. The only reason the public has any idea about this is because we overcame the system's intent to keep us absolutely out of view. So if you don't want this to happen again, you have to take the people who were right and you have to put them in the positions of power.

And we've got a pretty good start on that. People like Jay Bhattacharya and Bobby Kennedy being in Washington is a hugely important development. And believe me, industry understands how dangerous it is to their racket.

And they are acting both in public and in private to prevent it. I would point directly to Senator Cassidy, who I don't know if you've seen this clip of him describing the concessions that he was able to get from Kennedy in order for Kennedy to be confirmed. But if you want to know why things are moving slowly with respect to fixing the situation with the MRNA shots, I would look at Senator Kennedy and I would understand that he is a very powerful man who is... You mean Cassidy or Kennedy? They're both from Louisiana. I think you mean Cassidy.

He's the doctor. Sorry, did I say Kennedy? No, that you did. But that's okay. I think you meant Cassidy, though. I absolutely mean Cassidy.

I'm sorry. But he's up for re-election in... That's correct. ...2026. And he should be removed from office. Yeah. And look, he also, just as a side note, voted to impeach President Donald Trump just for the record. Yep, he sure did. And so I will say there was a moment we weren't sure if Bobby Kennedy was going to get through. And I called Senator Cassidy and we kind of decided to lay down arms.

I said, hey, we had a good conversation. I'm glad Bobby Kennedy proceeded. But there's a lot there. And there's also a lot of other HHS positions that are not yet Senate-confirmed, a lot more.

This is a theme, that there's a lot more positions of good rock stars, including our Surgeon General, which we want to see Casey Means get confirmed there. So Dr. Weinstein, I have an unusual question. What was your greatest, let's say, disappointment from COVID that you learned? Let's say a belief that you entered with COVID that you no longer have. And then secondly, what has now given you the most hope going through these dark five years?

Excellent question. I will say I am very careful to keep a list of things that I got wrong during COVID. There were quite a number of them. I think I was far too credulous at the beginning. I believe what I was being told.

I thought masks stood a good chance of being useful at the point that they proved not to be useful. I changed my position on that. I thought there was an argument to be made for brief, intense lockdowns.

I no longer believe that that's the case. And when I heard about the vaccines that were being, or the so-called vaccines that were being brought into, I don't even want to say the market that we're going to be used to control the so-called pandemic. I knew immediately that a new technology couldn't possibly be safe. I knew that the argument that they were safe was a lie. But I did not understand quickly enough that the idea that they were effective at controlling the spread of this disease was also a lie. That took me a while to realize. I could go on.

There are lots of places. And I would just say, I think if people are expecting those in the public, whether they are professionals or not, to be right from the beginning, they've just simply understood the process incorrectly. The important thing is that you take your best guess at first based on the evidence that you have and you allow your position to be upgraded by evidence as it emerges. And I trust anybody who does that in good faith.

And I distrust anybody who fails to do it. We're not looking for people to spot everything at the outset. We're looking for people who know how to improve the quality of their models over time. And I know you touched on a little bit of kind of what gives you hope and what gives you optimism, but at this very moment, what are you most optimistic about and kind of connect that with the audience call to action? Well, I'm extremely hopeful that with the team in Washington, that we can finally bring the full story of what happened during COVID into the light.

I believe it is the best chance that we will have in our lifetime to understand what's gone wrong with our society and to fix it. I'm a little concerned that the president's understandable pride over Operation Warp Speed is getting in the way of the recognition of the horror of the shots that were brought to the public under that banner. But I think the president is going to come to understand that first of all, he should begin to correct this error with the childhood vaccine schedule, which is not his responsibility. He did not oversee the placement of those shots on the childhood vaccine schedule. And so he doesn't want to inherit the harm done to children, new harm that hasn't been done yet.

He doesn't want that to be his responsibility. So hopefully he will understand since there's no medical or epidemiological argument for injecting children with mRNA based COVID shots, that those shots should be pulled immediately. And then having done that, he's in an excellent position. Any day of the week that he wants to, he can call Bobby Kennedy into his office and he can say, can you explain to me what is going on with the mRNA vaccine platform? And Bobby Kennedy is as well versed in this topic as anyone on earth. He is in a position to explain it in very clear terms. I've learned things from him that I didn't know.

So it's wonderful that President Trump has that resource at his disposal and I hope he will avail himself of it. Dr. Weinstein, thank you so much. Remind the audience anything you'd like to plug for our audience and thank you for being so generous. Come check us out on Dark Horse on whatever platform you use to listen to podcasts and you can subscribe to my ex account at Brett Weinstein.

Brett has one T. And anyway, let's let's get these things off the childhood schedule. It's it's unbearable that we would do harm to everything I possibly can. I'll be in D.C. when I return back. Excellent.

From debating in Oxford and Cambridge. And I will do everything I can to use the relationships I have to express my views on this. So thank you so much, Dr. Weinstein. Have a great movie premiere. Thank you. Thank you, Charlie. Email us freedom at Charlie Kirk Dotcom.

I pray we can get this removed from the childhood vaccination schedule. It's the right move. See if we can get it done. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk Dotcom. Thanks so much for listening. God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk Dotcom.