THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 83 — The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?

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It is Conclave week or month or season or decade. Yeah. Is it Thought Crime Friday for Jack now? It could be. Who knows? We're gonna have a debate about dolls, Charlie.

So this is all in response to a thing that happened last week and I thought it would be fruitful for discussion. So this was obviously with Trump's tariffs. People are talking, will prices go up on things?

Will manufacturing move back here? And they asked Trump about this and he had some interesting comments. So we have two Trump clips that we're gonna play real quickly to set it up. So this was I think Trump in the Oval Office initially or somewhere. Let's play clip 343. And then they asked him more about this a short time later I think on Air Force One and so he said some more. So let's do clip 344. Let's not waste a lot of time. What else?

The audio quality was really poor there. He was saying these girls, an 8 year old girl, a 15 year old girl, they don't need 37 dolls which is already pretty funny. Do 15 year old girls still play with dolls?

I don't know but I could tell you that my daughter really likes dolls. Does she have 30 dolls? Not that many.

No comment? More than 10. Less than 20. Would you agree, Tyler, that young girls, young daughters really like dolls? One is not sufficient. No, my kids' beds, they've got stuffed animals and dolls.

You have to get through them to get to them. So when little girls play house, if they have that many dolls, do they still play house with like four people or are they having like giant soirees? No, no, we have Mormon house. So it's like 20 people around.

It's like old Catholic house when she plays house. So I wanted us to talk about that because I thought it was interesting. This is a topic Tucker Carlson will talk about a lot that it's like due to globalization, due to outsourcing, a kind of side effect people will attack is sort of the profusion of what people say is like Chinese slop or Chinese junk is often what they'll say.

That you can go to Walmart and you can get tons of stuff really cheap but you are just piling up tons of stuff. And I think Trump is getting at that with his response which is we're trying to move manufacturing back in America and yeah, like maybe you'll have a lot less stuff as a result because it will be more expensive. And I thought it'd be interesting for us to discuss because is that one, are we actually correct that that's what we want? And two, are people going to be on board with it? Maybe people are just going to be really mad if they can't have 30 dolls anymore. I think people are going to be very mad about it. I mean look, I mean we're very blessed in our family.

We can afford as many dolls as possible. Jon Stewart is very mad. F you for telling the American people why doesn't he ever say you don't need $350, maybe you just need 10.

He gets very, very mad about it. And so what I think Trump is making a bigger argument though is that would you, I mean would you rather have a quality made product? I will say this though, in Trump's favor, and I wish Andrew was on here and Tyler would agree, the Chinese dolls that just happened to appear in my home that I did not order, people give them to us or you know, we just order on Amazon. These things fall apart.

I mean they do not last. There is a remarkable difference when we buy like a higher quality Western made toy that's like from a place that actually cares. I mean the doll made in China might last like a week. I see Jack on his computer because Jack has sons.

Jack has no idea what we're talking about. Those of us that have, I really don't. To tell you the truth, I mean toys in general, sure. Toys in general, sure. But in dolls, I'm like, eh.

I will actually go out of my way to buy a more expensive toy that I think kids will like instead of, because I hate, I actually, it drives me crazy like for birthdays and stuff like that when people will give like just like the cheap whatever all the time or like, or like our girls will go hang out with Grandma and Grandpa and they'll go, they'll get something every time they go out somewhere and it's something cheap and it's probably from China. And they fall, like you just said, they fall apart. Their hair pulls out. They look just a little bit off. They're not nice. They're not special, right? And they like replace them literally every other day. And so Trump's point is kind of right where it's like, we don't, you don't need 500 Chinese dolls.

You need, you know, maybe five. Yeah. Yeah. People are getting hung up on the numbers, but like, like how few are nicer toys instead of the junk that they're sending over and, you know, they're just shoving in our kids' faces. And have you seen some of these like Bratz dolls and like these other things I think we've talked about before on the show, like these things are like wretched looking things. They actually are scary. Like I, like I wrote the other day, like my little girl had one of those stupid Bratz dolls or what?

I can't remember what's the other one called, but I like, I picked it up. I was like, Oh, Oh my, like, what is, what is wrong with that thing? That thing is scary.

Have you seen these things? I totally, I'm not a fan. They're hideous. Oh, LOL dolls. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. LOL dolls are, are heinous.

They are, they should be criminalized. We shouldn't have, you know, I'm going to go further than Trump. Forget, forget two dolls. You should have zero LOL dolls. Those things are, those things are heinous, hideous. I will say though that outside of dolls and I, I don't know, actually my son's not old enough.

You have to be in this phase. Stuffed animals are a huge part of human development. Jack, do, do young boys like stuffed animals as well? My son's only a year, so he's not quite there yet. So, so Jack, are stuffed animals big for young boys too?

I think Jack is frozen. Okay. Look at these things. Look at these LOL dolls that Angela was talking about. These things are heinous.

Oh my gosh. This is what Trump's talking about. No more of those. We should deport these things.

We need to deport LOL dolls. Yeah. I am a worried the overall mentality could backfire. Cause I do think people tend to own too much stuff, but I do think that's just, I don't really blame China for it. I think that's just a values thing. Like people amass too much stuff and yeah.

People pile up a lot of stuff. And I think people like, especially interesting to see this go, because I think there's been on the right, a lot of negative reaction when the left has said similar things. I mean, if you want one we've heard before, you've heard people on the left say like, who needs to own that many guns? Yes. Correct. And they'll say that, or you could easily say like, you could imagine them saying like, nobody actually needs to own two cars.

Correct. I can think of a lot of reasons someone would want to own two cars and so on. Like in the end, the entire idea of modernity is overall, it is, it is good to make more stuff. It is good to be more productive. It is good to have more energy. It's better to have access than deficit. Yeah. Like, and there can be a problem of excess, but like, you know, we have obesity now, but I think we could agree it would be bad if, you know, Trump was going around saying, it's just like, look, maybe you'll only have 1400 calories a day. You might, you might have to slim down a little bit. Like that would be bad.

We would be starving, but would not would not be good. So how do you think the politics plays out, Tyler? Yeah, I think this is going to be the attack that's going to we're going to see over and over with Trump is just like everything that they can possibly find that's going to upset, you know, especially moms. I think the entire vector here when I was looking at this was everything that they're going to do is they're just going to try to go deeper on female turnout in the 2026 election. And beyond that, quite frankly, because we're seeing, they're seeing the trends, they know what's up. We won because the things that upset men got more men to turn out.

And we won because of that and the influence that men have in those households. They're going to try to go on the white female with a college degree. What upsets them the most? And ding, ding, ding.

It's take toys away from my children that because, you know, we know millennials will give their children anything because, you know, they were they felt like they were withheld from from, you know, the baby boomers that were their parents. So this is this is the problem that we're going to have over and over. We got to figure out the talking points against it and come I think come out hard against and be like, no, that's not true. Here's what is going to happen because of Trump policy X, Y and Z and be ready to combat this.

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Dolls to statues. I have to be honest with you guys. Blake was sending this stuff this morning.

And this is a very real good, this is a good learning lesson. I thought it was A.I. Because look, first of all, I'm distracted. I'm watching CBS Conclave coverage, very mesmerized by it, by the way. They're talking about raw dogging. They're actually talking about election integrity. CBS did an entire segment on what they eat in the conclave, which, by the way, is pasta with just butter and a little bit of Parmesan cheese. And that's all they feed them.

No variety and no ravioli because they say that they could have little messages put in the ravioli. I'm not going to do a whole segment on that. And then Blake is sending us these pictures of these like overweight black women statues. And I'm like, OK, this is obviously A.I.

slop. This is some boomer thing to get boomers mad. But turns out I was wrong. I got fooled by reality. Blake, what's going on?

All right. So the specific story that went on today is that there is a new statue that has gone up in Times Square. They found a way to make Times Square even tackier than before. And so they have put up a 12 foot tall bronze statue.

It is called Grounded in the Stars. Let's see the actual line from the people who put it up. The Times Square Arts Group says, installed at ground level on a wide low base, the work invites engagement with the hundreds of thousands of people who traverse the plazas each day. The woman in Grounded in the Stars cuts a stark contrast to the pedestaled permanent monuments, both white, both men, which bookend Duffy Square while embodying a quiet gravity and grandeur. Now, first of all, it is true there are statues of white guys in Duffy Square.

I believe Duffy himself is a priest who fought and who was not fought, but like was a chaplain in World War One and was a quite heroic figure. And that is why they decided to build a statue to them. Generally, you build statues to public heroes that you want to honor or remember. But we get just past that and we just kind of made a statue of a glowering, angry woman at the DMV. And what's funny about it is, as you said, it feels like there's a lot of these out there. Like they've they put a lot of these statues up and they're like very often of the specific format of like an angry person just kind of glaring at you. There's one in Rotterdam in the Netherlands that's just, again, kind of like this black woman with a stolen expression on her face. There's one in southern Britain where it's like a woman on her phone.

There's a couple of people just on their phones and some of them are just actually really crazy looking. There's one that's like a giant. It's like the Sphinx that you'd see in Egypt. Where is this one? That one was put up in Rockefeller Center.

Come on. And there's that Sphinx. It's the Sphinx, except that it actually could go back. It's the Sphinx, except it kind of has a stereotypical like mammy look, like that old kind of slave caricature that they would have. And they put it on a Sphinx.

Like the color purple. And if you see the whole thing, it also has very sexualized features, like it has this like big booty in the back. And this is like a piece of art that they said was empowering for black people. When I look at that and I would think if a white supremacist had created this statue, it would be totally good.

If David Duke was in charge. Yeah, like this is a super, like this is an outrageously offensive statue that like cashes in on all of these gross stereotypes and caricatures. Except, no, we put it up and we called it progress. And there was a similar one that they showed up there. And it's like the statue of Zeus at Olympia. It's called Oracle. They put this up in the Rockefeller Center, I believe, temporarily.

I don't think it's there anymore. And it's like a Greek statue, except it has this gigantic kind of African statue style head on top of it. And it's the same deal.

Like that's a valid art form, but they deliberately do do it in ways that make you raise one eyebrow or the other eyebrow or both eyebrows. And a very funny response. I think it was Matt Walsh. Did Matt Walsh tweet this?

Matt's been great. They said they put these up because like the left can't have any actual heroes because everything above 2000 before 2005 is suspect. I mean, we ripped down Abraham Lincoln statues because he was racist, apparently.

In fact, when you were in. We were in Boston the other time, and there was that there was an empty pedestal near where we were staying. And it was because that's where the Lincoln emancipation statue was.

And they took it down. And you can see Lincoln is right. It looks like it looks like it's a frickin grave as a result, because there's no statue on top of it. So they don't have any heroes.

No one's OK. So you just have to put up statues of kind of. Angry people glaring at you because that is that is liberal art. Let's talk more about it. Yeah.

Tyler, your thoughts. And then I want to go a little deeper, because there is there is something important. I was going to say that was my favorite part was like her hands are on her hips and she's like looking down on everyone. You know, that that's the the the interesting pick.

She's like in a T-shirt, hands on her hips. This is not like you know, you would think that if if it was we were celebrating black culture, you would have statues erected. I mean, this is not cheap.

I mean, we've looked into some of this before, Charlie, like on Turning Points campus. You know, casting a bronze statue of that size is like is a is a pretty expensive endeavor today, you know, with Biden played post by inflation, everything else. This is not why wouldn't you pick somebody with any kind of historical significance to celebrate? Like it could be anybody, like somebody that is meaningful.

You know, they actually went like kind of the cheapest route. And I just don't I don't get it. I don't I don't think there's anyone that has any kind of common sense that looks at this and goes, wow, that's beautiful. Or, wow, I'm really proud of that. Or that makes me celebrate my culture.

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And I want to dive in because that because the statues are one thing. But I think we must really. And by the way, this is not like just us saying this on our show. The base of the Democrat Party has said this, that we must lift up black women, that black women must be at the forefront, that basically in progressive folklore or storytelling, black women are portrayed as like the truth tellers and the caretakers of democracy. Yeah. Right.

Black women, if they're not black, trans women, because I think that Elizabeth Warren said they were the bedrock of our democracy. Correct. That's right. Stacey Deodrums was like the was like the face of of all that.

That's what they really leaned into that for that reason during that time. But it is the inversion of what they consider white supremacy. So what is the group that is at the opposite of a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant man, which we are? It will not Protestant, but you're Catholic, but whatever is black women. And so the elevation of black womanism is this. Exactly.

And I sent a clip in the in the chat that I want them to to to load up here. And not only that, but black women on the left expect to be worshiped as much as they are worshiped. And that's what's so important is not that just that they get worshiped on the left and black womanism is the faith of the radical left, that basically black women are the clerics of the religion of American leftism. Let's play cut three fifty eight of she wants to be the pope of American leftism. Play cut three fifty eight. This is a PSA. Yes, a public service announcement. Fix your algorithm.

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Oh, no, no, no. It's a real thing on the left. This is not just us being, you know, politically provocative.

Yeah. This is a very real thing. Like it really is kind of like it's like, you know, they're the core of the black women lead where America follows.

Like it really is. And it is focused specifically on women, especially, too. It's not even like black people, generally black men. It is this black women thing. If it's not specifically black trans women, you will sometimes hear that specific subset.

I don't I don't know how they got that one. That was like a very peak 2019, 2020 episode. Was it Elizabeth Warren who said that? It was like they said that they were like the bedrock of our democracy. I know Warren said she was going to read the names of every black trans woman murdered in America in the Rose Garden every year.

If she became president, that would have been quite quite the ceremony, I suppose. But but but so from a I want to get Tyler in on this, but politically, Tyler, what are they thinking? Black women are six percent of the American population ish, six to seven percent.

Why the pandering to seven percent of the population? Well, I think I mean, you hit the nail on the head. This is just the antithesis of the white man. So whatever the left, the left wants to construct everything in complete opposition to whatever they hate or they want to target and whatever.

So you just you hit it. You have white men who are and I want to be surprised if they go older because it's a young white man. Now they hate.

So old black women are the complete opposite. And that's how they have to run all of their political identity through. And they've done this now to us for a significant amount of time. I think this is the first time we're seeing people push back and go, no, no, no, no, I am so over this, the race baiting, the pushing, whatever.

I like people not because of the color of their skin, but because of who they are. And this entire concept. And we saw this a few years ago during the BLM riots and everything else. It was like, you can't shop at white stores anymore. You have to shop at black, black small businesses. Remember where they were pushing all this?

And on Netflix, it was it was, you know, all of the the movies that were by produced by black lesbian directors. And this is this is the stuff again, this this stuff just doesn't work. And the more that I think they keep pushing this, the further that it repels normal people who are just like, this is this is like so 2020. This is so 2019.

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What is that? It's a few things. I mean, one is they are the most bedrock part of the left's coalition. I mean, you can see that most loyal. Yeah, they are. You can see that chart. They are the ones who are going 98 percent.

It is. It is like there's an element of like so there's the fact that they are the 98 percent liberal ones. But yeah, beyond that, as you say, it is that it's like it's the polar opposite of, you know, all the things that we're tearing down in America, which is, you know, like white men.

So you go to the opposite of that. You know, maybe maybe Jack has some thoughts on what drives it, too. What I think of is how the fact that I think they're the one group in America you can just overtly say like, oh, we're doing a diversity hire on this one. Like Biden came out and said, I'm going to pick a black woman to the Supreme Court. I'm not going to pick the most qualified person.

I'm not. He could have said, I'm going to pick a woman. I'm going to pick someone who's not a white male. But he didn't do that. He said specifically black woman there. Everyone else, 90, 94 percent of America need not apply. Period.

Just not allowed to compete. And it was kind of like that with his VEEP. He didn't overtly promise, but it was sort of widely assumed he had to pick a black woman as his vice president in 2020, that that was the under the table deal he made, you know, with to win the South Carolina endorsement. But, you know, I think we have Jack back. So maybe he could comment on what's.

Jack, what is the philosophical basis of black womanism? Yeah, thanks, guys. I was gone for a little bit. Just want to let you know they did offer me the papacy, but I said, no, guys, I got a thought crime show to do. So, you know, maybe maybe next time. No.

So. So, Charlie, what's going on here is there is a civil religion, a civic religion, if you will, that's been promulgated in the United States since the 1960s. And it's it's been in the countercultural revolution, the countercultural moment where, as you were saying before, the wasp is considered the most hated figure in America, and therefore the inversion of that must be the greatest. And there's something that I mentioned this to on Tucker once that it's always just absolutely fascinated me that Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer cannibal, you know, heinous horrific things that he did. He confesses his crimes to the police chopped up his victims ate them in some cases kept their body parts and others, yet in later on in an interview so he would give these interviews from from prison and, and things like that. He, he emphasized that even though the vast majority of his victims were young men of color, that he was not a racist, and it was emphatic for him to, to make sure that he knew that everybody knew that he was not a racist, he may have killed them.

He may have chopped up their body parts he may have eaten some of their body parts, but please, please don't let anyone believe that he's a despicable racist and I honestly just think that it says more about what we place value on as a society where we would consider all those crimes to be lesser than to committing the crime of doing a racism, or being accused of doing a racism, and this of course is our civic religion in the United States, we are, we and the West writ large are the only places in the world that think this way, that we invert everything and we make everything all the time about race, rather than base things off of merit, or just simply base the judgments of, you know that somebody's actions like oh I don't know, murder and cannibalism, but since the 1960s This has been our civil religion. Okay, let's go a couple pieces of tape let's start with 360 WNBA player page bookers getting an award, saying the following play cut 360 with the light that I have now. As a white woman who leads a black led sport and celebrated here I want to show a light on black women. They don't get the media coverage that they deserve. All they do is get media coverage what about but let me rephrase what she's saying, let me let me let me just really quick. She's like, as a white woman who's currently being held hostage by all my black teammates getting this award. I'd like to say thank you to my captors.

I'm blinking twice. She's literally being held hostage getting this award. That's what that's not even just like oh that they might be socially isolated you'll see these things like, wasn't it Caitlin Clark was like practically getting assaulted on the court.

100% all this very by the way they did that they did they made an example out of Caitlin Clark for that reason. She doesn't want to get the crap beat out of her and women can't stand that as much as men, when men get the crap beat out of them they rally together they get stronger. Women do not like being socially isolated, being, that is the worst thing for a female is to be socially if we don't have a thought ground we could be like, are women built for team sports, like, Caitlin Clark, honestly isn't. I'm not saying she's bad. She's a phenomenal athlete.

Someone hard follows your star in the NFL, and it's like a melee and like 27 players get suspended and there's all these fines like do NBA players do WNBA players get in fights if someone gets gets mugged on the court. Yeah, but the Caitlin Clark's a great example, which is that. So she's a great athlete objectively one of the best basketball players of a generation for women, and she then gets bullied by her teammates and by other opponents, and then she bends the knee to black worship, and she does. She was like basically like I'm so racist I need to learn my privilege. Look, so she basically allowed this to master her. And you look at, I mean, with Larry Bird take that No, I mean I don't think so with pistol Pete I'm just thinking of like white players that would look up maybe maybe not.

It's not a criticism of women women just tend to be more agreeable and they tend to be more sensitive to group social dynamics. We had a one of the clerics of the Democrat religion visit us in San Francisco play cut 361. I love you. And you know what I think.

I think you really want a big black your. Well you seem pleasant. Are you married was your mom married. Are you because I got a call from the doctor she missed her abortion.

You seem so sweet. Charlie you seem so stiff and white do you have a stick up your. Is there something wrong with being white, Charlie. Is there something wrong with a stick in here.

This is what I'm asking. I love you, Charlie, you're the best comedian. You're the best comedian on. Do you want to have the best. She wants a hat.

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Never mind, play cut three sixty two as black women are paying because it's almost like nobody ever gave us permission to do that. And does anyone care? Yeah, there is. Well, if we knew, I think we would care. If we knew. If we knew. Or, you know.

Yeah. And we have to ask ourselves, the men in our lives is, you know, why wait to be asked? You know, it seems like what we go through is pretty obvious.

I mean, maybe we're not complaining, but we're actually living life out loud. She almost said asked correctly. She got so close. She was so close. And then she went axed. She was so close. You could tell that you have to say that. Right. She directed herself. OK, let me just have a couple of thoughts and then we'll throw it into the gang here.

Number one, she does not seem like a formidable political candidate ever. I mean, just that whole clip. Yeah. Well, black women need permission to camp complain. Number two, what's happening to her brother?

Like, what is this whole thing where he's kind of just like becoming a woman? It's very strange. And number three, do you ever know that it is black men that are reluctant to camp to complain? Reluctant to complain. You see, I do feel like you do hear that one a lot where it's just like they've been told to be quiet for too long. And like, who who is telling them to be quiet?

We're not even telling them to be quiet. We're just sort of commenting about what is that you said. And there and the strange looking statues. And even with the statues, like if you want to put up a statue to Rosa Parks, go ahead. It's that it's like you're putting up a statue to literally nothing. You're putting up a statue to someone glaring at you. I would find it rather strange if we just had like a white guy statue and he's like staring ominously at you. We'd probably say it looks like Big Brother. Like, would you want a big bronze of that guy just like eyeballing you on Times Square?

We'd be like, wow, I guess we live in a dictatorship now. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. I just had a great idea for Charlie for when you do these campus things, you should like the night before the event is supposed to take place. Just get like a giant bronze Charlie Kirk statue and have people put it up somewhere on campus. And then just have like, don't go there. Don't go there. Right.

But have a big it like, you know, it doesn't be bronze to be some cheaper. Whatever. But but don't go there. Just film what happens to the statue. Like have a drone like getting footage and just watch the insanity. I guarantee you that would drive people completely nuts.

And hey, just free content. We should make it. No, no, it should be bronze and make it indestructible. And then watch how how long they make. Oh, yeah, that's good.

It can actually hurt them. It here is and then we'll close with this. We have we're a little over time. This is how a man, Larry Bird, stood up to bullying back in the NBA versus WNBA players. Play cut 364. Larry Bird and Billy Beer have both been ejected from the game. There's Bird throwing the ball at Lambier and Rodman coming over. I don't remember Larry Bird getting as angry as I saw him. Bird would stand for getting pulled down on a layoff, but not on a play like that with the clock running down.

And he really got taken down very hard. And of course, Bird is very upset at Lambier and has been for a long time. Now, Rodman goes after Bird after Bird threw the ball.

This thing's out of control. How many. How many times you know, you're big on Michael Jordan being the greatest of all time. How many times did he beat Larry Bird in the playoffs as a coach or player? Michael Jordan, a coach. Larry Bird was at the Pacers. Yeah, but was he did. Did he coach against Jordan? Yeah. Oh, did he?

I didn't know that multiple times. OK. Yeah. How about how about as a player, though?

Not very well. It's when Jordan was still young. He was developing.

He was a young guy. Jordan. Jordan was. He got better when Rodman left the Pistons. Rodman was a crazy got better or like he became able to defeat the Pistons. No, because it improved his game significantly. The Pistons were like his nemesis. Yeah.

And three years in a row. Right. I think. Yeah.

No, it was this amazing story. And Jordan was 15 pounds lighter. I think he was like one. He was tiny. One.

Eighty years. And he put on like 15 pounds of muscle because the Pistons were just throwing him around. Right.

Just throwing him around. They went and got Rodman. He put on 15 pounds of muscle and they finally overcame Isaiah Thomas. Well, it was. They only had Rodman for the second three feet. Right. The first one they didn't have.

They did not know the first. That was just Scottie Pippen. That's correct. Only Scottie was there for all six. What if Charlie just hear me out on this idea. The NBA people have said the NBA is getting stale because it's all just dunks or three point shots or layups and there's no like middle game. What if we put a statue of a frowning black woman at the three point line and it like moved back and forth along the three point line, making it more difficult to take three point shot.

This is this is where we're headed. I could not tell you a single thing that's happening in the NBA playoffs right now. Could you? Yeah, because there's no statue of a black woman. That's the problem. That that that would fix it.

If complaining was a currency, they'd all be billionaires. Final thoughts, guys. I want a giant bronze statue of Charlie Kirk because I could just think of so many funny things to do with that, man. Then again, I am here and I remind myself I am sitting in front of St. Peter's Basilica and I'm very excited to go to mass there tomorrow morning. Wow. Great for you. All right. Till next time, guys. Keep committing thought crimes. Black womanism is simply a counterfeit left wing religion for real religions, as Jack is in the only real religion, which is Christianity.

And he is in Rome. So we'll pray for Jack's safety and wisdom there. God bless you guys.

Keep on committing thought crimes. Talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening, everyone. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com.